I think not, Edie. The Dutch understood the concept of acting in dire emergencies, and there is nothing to indicate that that was the case here. There was an office in the Dutch church, layreader, and that person could perform many of the functions of the minister. But for people to start going around on their own hook performing church rites, that was quickly quashed whenever possible whenever it occurred. There was no shortage of religious quackery (from the standpoint of the organized churches) in the colonies, it tended to incite disorder, and the civil authorities were not happy. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@suscom-maine.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Another thought > Quoth Howard:...It almost sounds as if > Jannettie did the bap. herself -- and not the minister... > - - - - > > That's what I thought. But is it not acceptable for a layperson to perform > a > baptism if the infant's life is in imminent danger and there's no minister > present to do it? I know it is in some churches. > > And if not, is this really grounds for imprisonment? May I be forgiven for > asking if a lay MAN who did the same thing would have gotten the same > treatment? It looks as if they really had it in for poor Jannette, maybe > for > some other reason. I gather she was not the baby's mother; was she perhaps > the midwife? > > Just curious. > > Edie in Maine > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Barbara, From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ackerman's "The Terhune Family" = S.O.S. > Dear Listers, > > Hoping that someone has a copy of this book. I need pp 10 and > 11...desperately. > > There seems to be some allegation that Albert Albertse Terhune, son of > the immigrant moved > back to Long Island from Hackensack circa 1707 where a daughter was > supposedly born???? > The above cites Ackerman pp 10-11. Looking for something else, I just happened to run across an article on the Terhune Family by Teunis Bergen in NYGBR vol 11, p. 159 ff. For Albert Albertse Jr. he mentions a purchase of land in Hackensack on the Passaic River, but admits it is hard to tell whether it was Albert Albertse Sr. or Jr. who bought the land. He doesn't give a date, but you might find it in NJ Archives vol. XXI. As he mentions, A.A. Jr. is on the 1683 tax list for Flatlands. Bergen says that he was a member of RDC at Hackensak in 1689. Those records have been printed, but I don't have easy access. As I recall there is either member info or consistory info or both at the front, which does not seem to be indexed. The last child he shows bp. at Flatbush is Marretie on 31 Oct 1686. This is shown in Voorhees' book. The next child, Rachel, he shows bp. 20 Aug 1690, but does not say where. You should look for her bp. in those pub. Hackensack records. He shows 5 more children baptised between 1695 and 1705 (no place shown) and only the next one has a full date, the others years only. However, he also shows a 7 Aug 1684 bp. (when they should have been at Flatlands) that I cannot find. So, he may have some bible or other source and you may not find them in Hackensack; but it would be worth looking. In case you want his will, the abstract is on in WNYHS 2:29, with corrections on 16:56 adding children "Annell and Gerbrect" and correcting his name to Terhunen from Terhuness. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com Standard Source Abbreviations: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96

Quoth Howard:...It almost sounds as if Jannettie did the bap. herself -- and not the minister... - - - - That's what I thought. But is it not acceptable for a layperson to perform a baptism if the infant's life is in imminent danger and there's no minister present to do it? I know it is in some churches. And if not, is this really grounds for imprisonment? May I be forgiven for asking if a lay MAN who did the same thing would have gotten the same treatment? It looks as if they really had it in for poor Jannette, maybe for some other reason. I gather she was not the baby's mother; was she perhaps the midwife? Just curious. Edie in Maine

Hello, Linda, Thank you for your message...it was a much-needed wake-up call. I believe we may have corresponded on occasion in the past. I included ALL of my source material, such as it is, in the msg I posted recently with 2 web sites. Unfortunately, nothing of a primary nature. As I stated in my post - corrections are welcome...but that is no excuse. Since I cannot personally vouch for its accuracy, I erred in posting it to the D-C list. The Van Arsdall family is a most frustrating one to trace; and my actions only added to the problem. And I am sooooooo ashamed of myself Barb Terhune Linda Hayes wrote: > Hi Barb, > > I notice on the Dutch mailing list that you gave the following > information concerning Cornelius C. Vanarsdall. You gave his parents > as Simon VanArsdalen and Catherine Voorhees. Cornelius C. Vanarsdall > is my 3Great Grandfather. I have never been able to document his > parents and neither have many other Van researchers. Do you have > documentation of his parents? I would love to have this information. > > Thanks, > > Linda

Who is Jannettie to be baptizing a child anyway? In the absence of the minister, the baptism should be performed by the church elders. Not that her baptism is necessarily invalid as longs as she included all the proper parts of the rite, but this is certainly peculiar and people liked things to be done properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jannettie de Kleuse baptized a child!! > Would someone please explain this to me. Child was baptized "when the > father was from home, which is a thing which can never be tolerated by > those of > the Reformed religion . . " > > At a Court of Schout, Burgomasters and Schepens, holden in the City Hall > of > the City N:Orange on the first of May 1674. Schout De Mill, pltf vs > Jannettie de Kleuse, deft. Pltf says, that the deft baptized a child of > Reformed > parents on the 18th of April last, when the father was from home, which > is a > thing which can never be tolerated by those of the Reformed religion; -- > he > concludes therefore, that the deft shall be imprisoned and moreover be > condemned in a fine of one hundred guilders zewant, with costs. Deft > admits she > baptized the child thro' ignorance; and requests forgiveness, if she did > wrong. > The W:Court having considered the matter and likewise weighed the evil > consequences and other inconveniences, which might result and arise > therefrom, > condemn the deft for her profanation and disrespect of the Holy Sacrament > of > Baptism, that she shall be imprisoned and remain there until further > order. [RNA > Vol.7:82] > > Regards, > Ethel > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is just a guess, but what might have the magistrates so upset is that the father, being absent, apparently has no say in the naming of the child, cannnot serve as a representative of the child at the baptism (there are solemn vows being taken), and he doesn't even get to acknowledge the child as his own. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jannettie de Kleuse baptized a child!! > Would someone please explain this to me. Child was baptized "when the > father was from home, which is a thing which can never be tolerated by > those of > the Reformed religion . . " > > At a Court of Schout, Burgomasters and Schepens, holden in the City Hall > of > the City N:Orange on the first of May 1674. Schout De Mill, pltf vs > Jannettie de Kleuse, deft. Pltf says, that the deft baptized a child of > Reformed > parents on the 18th of April last, when the father was from home, which > is a > thing which can never be tolerated by those of the Reformed religion; -- > he > concludes therefore, that the deft shall be imprisoned and moreover be > condemned in a fine of one hundred guilders zewant, with costs. Deft > admits she > baptized the child thro' ignorance; and requests forgiveness, if she did > wrong. > The W:Court having considered the matter and likewise weighed the evil > consequences and other inconveniences, which might result and arise > therefrom, > condemn the deft for her profanation and disrespect of the Holy Sacrament > of > Baptism, that she shall be imprisoned and remain there until further > order. [RNA > Vol.7:82] > > Regards, > Ethel > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, Are there any legal scholars among you? I am admitted to the practice of law in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and used to dealing with 17th and 18th Pennsylvania legal documents. Although I went to law school in New York State, I do not speak New York legalese fluently and I have even less of an understanding of New York legal history. So I am in need of some help. My questions are: 1. Once a patent had been granted for land in Albany County in 1684 and a portion of that land hand been occupied by the Patentees, Why would that patent need to be reconfirmed and apparently reissued to the same Patentees in 1708? 2. In 1743, why did the proprietors of the Saratoga Patent (descendants of the original patentees) have to petition the legislature for permission to subdivide the undeveloped lands within the Saratoga Patent, which the aforementioned proprietors held as tenants in common? 3. Why did the 1750-survey of John R. Bleecker, which subdivided the Saratoga Patent need legislative approval before it was implemented? Can you give me the titles of any good treatises on New York legal history? Reading Plucknett's Concise History of the Common Law and Ladner on Conveyanicng in Pennsylvania only gets me so far. Van Der Linden's Institutes of the Laws of Holland and Van Leeuwen's Commentaries on the Roman Dutch Law have not shed any light on the conveyancing peculiarities that I have described above. The other thing that I am quizzical about is - why on February 2, 1796, did the heirs of Killian De Ridder, deceased, have to petition the New York State legislature, praying the legislature to pass a law to enable them to divide the estate of Killian De Ridder, which lies in different counties, in a manner from that preferred by the statute for the partition of lands? What was the method preferred by the statute? Thank you for your help, Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA

Hello, Linda, Thank you for your message...it was a much-needed wake-up call. I believe we may have corresponded on occasion in the past. I included ALL of my source material, such as it is, in the msg I posted recently with 2 web sites. Unfortunately, nothing of a primary nature. As I stated in my post - corrections are welcome...but that is no excuse. Since I cannot personally vouch for its accuracy, I erred in posting it to the D-C list. The Van Arsdall family is a most frustrating one to trace; and my actions only added to the problem. And I am sooooooo ashamed of myself Barb Terhune Linda Hayes wrote: > Hi Barb, > > I notice on the Dutch mailing list that you gave the following > information concerning Cornelius C. Vanarsdall. You gave his parents > as Simon VanArsdalen and Catherine Voorhees. Cornelius C. Vanarsdall > is my 3Great Grandfather. I have never been able to document his > parents and neither have many other Van researchers. Do you have > documentation of his parents? I would love to have this information. > > Thanks, > > Linda

Thanks again Howard. > I should add first that it was Jan 12, 1590, marr.of Nicolaes Varlet and Francina Jacobs. Excellent. I'll put the NYGBR CD on my wish list. > Now with the 1615 marriage date and Abraham born in 1616, it looks > like there is plenty of room for more kids between Abraham and > Nicholas. So, both Anna and Guiliam could fit there. > Judith must have been fairly young in 1615 to still have > a child in 1639. I bet Sarah was the last. Agreed. Assuming age 18 at marriage, Judith would have been around 42 in 1639. She could have been a bit older or possibly even a bit younger. Thank you again Howard. Will see what else can be learned. Best wishes, Liz J

Hi all, You know, I had the same thought: It almost sounds as if Jannettie did the bap. herself -- and not the minister. I looked for this bap. in churches in NY, Brooklyn, and Bergen and did not find it. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com From: "Peter Christoph" <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] another thought > Who is Jannettie to be baptizing a child anyway? In the absence of the > minister, the baptism should be performed by the church elders. Not that her > baptism is necessarily invalid as longs as she included all the proper parts > of the rite, but this is certainly peculiar and people liked things to be > done properly. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> > To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:49 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jannettie de Kleuse baptized a child!! > > >> Would someone please explain this to me. Child was baptized "when the >> father was from home, which is a thing which can never be tolerated by >> those of >> the Reformed religion . . " >> >> At a Court of Schout, Burgomasters and Schepens, holden in the City Hall >> of >> the City N:Orange on the first of May 1674. Schout De Mill, pltf vs >> Jannettie de Kleuse, deft. Pltf says, that the deft baptized a child of >> Reformed >> parents on the 18th of April last, when the father was from home, which >> is a >> thing which can never be tolerated by those of the Reformed religion; -- >> he >> concludes therefore, that the deft shall be imprisoned and moreover be >> condemned in a fine of one hundred guilders zewant, with costs. Deft >> admits she >> baptized the child thro' ignorance; and requests forgiveness, if she did >> wrong. >> The W:Court having considered the matter and likewise weighed the evil >> consequences and other inconveniences, which might result and arise >> therefrom, >> condemn the deft for her profanation and disrespect of the Holy Sacrament >> of >> Baptism, that she shall be imprisoned and remain there until further >> order. [RNA >> Vol.7:82] >> >> Regards, >> Ethel >> <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, From: "Richard Hayes" <RAHayes@chartermi.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:56 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Will of Abraham Ver Plank & Maria Vigne > Hello All, > > When you are looking for the Will of Abraham Ver Plank & Maria Vigne, you should be looking for Maria in 1672. She is supposed to have died in Albany in 1671. Abraham did not die until 1691. The family lived in Albany. This is getting interesting. I'm curious what the evidence is that Abraham ver Planck and Maria Vigne lived in Albany. David Riker's Directory shows they baptized many children in the 1650's in New Amsterdam. As I mentioned, he is on the 1665 tax list in Smith's Valley (just north of Wall St.) He is also on the 1674 tax list (1896 HSYB p. 167) as living in Smith's Valley. And on the 1676 New York tax list (MCC I:29) If Maria did died in Albany, maybe she was just visiting one of her children who might have been there then. The Deacons' Accounts 1652-1674 First Dutch Reformed Church of Beverwyck / Albany, New York have recently been published by Picton Press. One of the things they contain is fees collected for use of the burial pall. One could check to see if a relative of Maria Vigne was so charged at the appropriate time period. I thought it might help to see where "Notary Dirck van Schelluyne" lived, especially in 1670 when the will was made. He was initially at New Amsterdam. There is an interesting article about him by De Boer in NYGBR 59:61-65. As stated there, he came to NN in 1650 on the ship Fortuyn. (Along with Melyn, the Verlets, etc.) In the 1650's he was a notary based in New Amsterdam. But in 1660 he moved to Rensselaerswyck and after the English takeover was clerk of the court at Albany. In Dec 1668 he was again sworn in as a notary in Albany. The last De Boer could find of him was in 1669. In 1670 the last details re. lands formerly owned by him were settled. And the family (except eldest son Cornelis) moved back to The Netherlands. De Boer thinks Dirck died in Albany at the end of 1669 or early 1670. However, we now know that he made a will for VerPlanck in Aug. 1670. And, I also found that he was sued in the Mayor's Court in New York in Sept. 1670. It appears to me he was present at the third session dealing with this case on 18 Oct 1670. [RNA 6:254, 257, 264] Here's my hypothesis: What if Dirck did not die in Albany, but came down the river with his family in mid 1670 to New York? While there he does the will for VerPlanck and gets sued in the fall of 1670. Then later that year catches the ship with his family back to The Netherlands. I was wrong earlier when I said that his notarial papers have not survived. Notarial Papers of Dirck van Schelluyne 1660-1665 have been printed in the The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, vol 16 beginning on p. 2. But this apparently would not have a 1670 will. I still think it unlikely the will was made in Albany. But if one wanted to search there, see here under Albany County: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=82 Thus, in Pearson's Early Records of Albany vol. 3 is notarial records and vol 4 is wills. The article says all these wills were abstracted by Fernow; but one might want to check Pearson anyway. Also, several issues of DSSA have wills: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=41 I don't know if these are the same as in Pearson or not. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

This is wonderful info but there appears to be a conflict in some dates. I have the Van Voorhees family in America The first six generations. On page 152 is says that Simon in the son of Simon Cornelisz Van Arsdale and Antje Gerretse Dorland their son Cornelius, according to the book was baptized 25 Nov 1759. In fact the book says that the name is Cornelia. You have him born 15 Feb 1766. It does not carry the line on down because it is not a male line. Is the book wrong? Are the other dates correct and he is the youngest child? Since the Dorland book is not out yet I do not know what to compare it to. His brothers and sisters are Koert bp 8 Oct 1754 Marya bp 26 Dec 1755 Simon bp 11 April 1757 Cornelia/Cornelius above Isaac bp 10 Jan 1762 Is the Van Voorhees book wrong? Help! Thank you Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Terhune To: Glee Krapf Cc: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelius C. (Simon) Vanarsdale (1766-1866) Well, since you asked... As always - corrections and/or additions are ALWAYS welcome Barb Cornelius C. Van Arsdall s/o Simon (Simon) Van Arsdalen and Catherine (Coerte) Van Voorhees born Feb 15, 1766 in NJ died Oct 14, 1866, Mercer Co., KY married (1) Jan 19, 1797 to Mary Vanderipe in Mercer Co., KY (one son: John Van Arsdall born c1800, d 1874 in Iowa) married (2) Oct 21, 1804 to Cynthia (Peter J.) Vandiver in Mercer Co., KY === 1860 Federal Census: Mercer Co., KY - Dist 2, image 70 of 138 Cornelius Vanarsdell 94 Scynthia " 84 Wm. T (or G) " 22 Martha " 22 Lillie Ann " 1 Mary A. " 1/12 === http://www.buxx.com/cgi-local/family?family=F01171 Source: VanDerVeer Genealogy at http://www.buxx.com Identifies his parents as Simon Van Arsdalen & Catherine Voorhees Identifies his wives as Mary Vanderipe and Cynthia Vandiver Marriage to Cynthia: 21 OCT 1804 Mercer Co, Kentucky Marriage to Mary: 19 JAN 1797 Mercer Co, Kentucky === SOURCE: http://www.buxx.com/cgi-local/family?family=F01165 Family Group Sheet Husband: Cornelius Vanarsdalen Lt Born: 15 FEB 1766 at: New Jersey Died: 14 OCT 1866 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Burial: at: Old Mud Meeting House, Mercer Co, Ky Father: Simon VanArsdalen Mother: Catherine Voorhees Spouse: Mary Vanderipe, Cynthia Vandivier Wife: Cynthia Vandivier aka: Scitie Marr: 21 OCT 1804 Mercer Co, Kentucky Born: 1785 at: Somerset Co, New Jersey Died: 3 OCT 1868 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Burial: at: Old Mud Meeting House, Mercer Co, Ky Father: Peter Vandivier Mother: Anna La Grange Spouse: Cornelius Vanarsdalen Children: Name: James Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Name: Aaron Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Henry Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Ellen Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Mary Ann Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: 2 APR 1813 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Name: Peter Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Elizabeth Catherine Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Peter VanArsdalen Sex: M Born: 1806 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Ann Westerfield Source: VanDerVeer Genealogy at http://www.buxx.com === Glee Krapf wrote: Thank you for your help. All that material on him was wonderful. I already had him in my data base but not that he was buried at the old mud meeting house. But there is another Cornelius Van Arsdall buried at the Mud Meeting house. He was bron 15 Feb 1766 and died 14 Oct 1866. Do you know anything about him? These people with the same names can drive you crazy. My maiden name is Van Osdol so all of these Vans are my relatives. Thanks for such great help! It is really too bad that there is not a good book on the Van Arsdalen, however you spell it, family Glee <> -

Would someone please explain this to me. Child was baptized "when the father was from home, which is a thing which can never be tolerated by those of the Reformed religion . . " At a Court of Schout, Burgomasters and Schepens, holden in the City Hall of the City N:Orange on the first of May 1674. Schout De Mill, pltf vs Jannettie de Kleuse, deft. Pltf says, that the deft baptized a child of Reformed parents on the 18th of April last, when the father was from home, which is a thing which can never be tolerated by those of the Reformed religion; -- he concludes therefore, that the deft shall be imprisoned and moreover be condemned in a fine of one hundred guilders zewant, with costs. Deft admits she baptized the child thro' ignorance; and requests forgiveness, if she did wrong. The W:Court having considered the matter and likewise weighed the evil consequences and other inconveniences, which might result and arise therefrom, condemn the deft for her profanation and disrespect of the Holy Sacrament of Baptism, that she shall be imprisoned and remain there until further order. [RNA Vol.7:82] Regards, Ethel <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

To add to the information provided by Barb Terhune [Thanks, Barb!]: Abraham Van Arsdalen (1708-1753) was the son of Cornelis Simonsz Van Arsdalen and Maria Dircks Ammerman. From the bible records... > Wilhelmus VanArsdalen born July 17th in the year 1737. Wilhelmus was baptized at First Reformed Church, Raritan (Somerville), Somerset County, NJ on 7 Aug 1737 [SCHQ 2:299] Van Aersdale, Abraham and wife, Catreyntye--Wilhelmus. > My son Cornelius VanArsdalen born the 17 day of Auust, 1743, and he died > the 11th day of July, 1745. Cornelius was baptized at the Harlingen Reformed Dutch Church, Montgomery Twp, Somerset Co., NJ on 9 Sep 1743 [GMNJ 17:83] > My daughter Katy born the 2nd day of September, 1745. Catharine was baptized at Harlingen on 20 Sep 1745 [GMNJ 17:84] > My Third Son Abraham born the 2 day of Dec-1750. Abraham was baptized at Harlingen on 25 Dec 1750 [GMNJ 18:9] > Maria VanArsdalen born the 18th day of July, 1753. Maria was baptized at Harlingen on 3 Sep 1753 GMNJ 18:39] Abraham, the father, is deceased. Wit: Symion Van Arsdalen Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol III:332. 1751-1760. Liber F, p 199. 1753, April 12. van Aersdalen, Abraham, of Somerset Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Mary. Children -- Isaac, Willem, Catrin, Cornelius and Abraham, all under age. An expected child. Executors -- brothers Simon and Jacobus van Arsdalen and John Stryker. Witnesses -- Gerrit van Aersdalen, Johannis van Aersdalen, John van Dike. Proved 7 May 1753. Cornelius A. Vanarsdall of Mercer County, Kentucky wrote his will on 2 July 1839, and it was proved in the February 1840 Session of County Court in Mercer County, Kentucky. The will begins with a gift to his daughter-in-law Ida Vanarsdall "as a special mark of her kindness" to him. Then Cornelius stated, "Having for the last some six or seven years lived with my son Cornelius C. Vanarsdall (with the exception of nine months during which time I lived with my son Alexander) It is my will that they each be liberally compensated for my board." The remainder of his estate was to be equally divided among his "five" living children: Abram, Alexander, Cornelius C., Elizabeth Vanarsdall and Polly Cozine, and the children and grandchildren of his deceased son Simon. Cornelius appointed his sons Cornelius C. Vanarsdall and Alexander Vanarsdall as executors of the will (Mercer County, Kentucky, Will Book 11, pages 221-222). Regards, Pam Sears

Well, since you asked... As always - corrections and/or additions are ALWAYS welcome Barb Cornelius C. Van Arsdall s/o Simon (Simon) Van Arsdalen and Catherine (Coerte) Van Voorhees born Feb 15, 1766 in NJ died Oct 14, 1866, Mercer Co., KY married (1) Jan 19, 1797 to Mary Vanderipe in Mercer Co., KY (one son: John Van Arsdall born c1800, d 1874 in Iowa) married (2) Oct 21, 1804 to Cynthia (Peter J.) Vandiver in Mercer Co., KY === 1860 Federal Census: Mercer Co., KY - Dist 2, image 70 of 138 Cornelius Vanarsdell 94 Scynthia " 84 Wm. T (or G) " 22 Martha " 22 Lillie Ann " 1 Mary A. " 1/12 === http://www.buxx.com/cgi-local/family?family=F01171 Source: VanDerVeer Genealogy at http://www.buxx.com Identifies his parents as Simon Van Arsdalen & Catherine Voorhees Identifies his wives as Mary Vanderipe and Cynthia Vandiver Marriage to Cynthia: 21 OCT 1804 Mercer Co, Kentucky Marriage to Mary: 19 JAN 1797 Mercer Co, Kentucky === SOURCE: http://www.buxx.com/cgi-local/family?family=F01165 Family Group Sheet Husband: Cornelius Vanarsdalen Lt Born: 15 FEB 1766 at: New Jersey Died: 14 OCT 1866 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Burial: at: Old Mud Meeting House, Mercer Co, Ky Father: Simon VanArsdalen Mother: Catherine Voorhees Spouse: Mary Vanderipe, Cynthia Vandivier Wife: Cynthia Vandivier aka: Scitie Marr: 21 OCT 1804 Mercer Co, Kentucky Born: 1785 at: Somerset Co, New Jersey Died: 3 OCT 1868 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Burial: at: Old Mud Meeting House, Mercer Co, Ky Father: Peter Vandivier Mother: Anna La Grange Spouse: Cornelius Vanarsdalen Children: Name: James Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Name: Aaron Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Henry Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Ellen Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Mary Ann Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: 2 APR 1813 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Name: Peter Vanarsdall Sex: M Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Elizabeth Catherine Vanarsdall Sex: F Born: AFT 1805 at: Died: at: Spouse: Name: Peter VanArsdalen Sex: M Born: 1806 at: Mercer Co, Kentucky Died: at: Spouse: Ann Westerfield Source: VanDerVeer Genealogy at http://www.buxx.com === Glee Krapf wrote: > Thank you for your help. All that material on him was wonderful. I > already had him in my data base but not that he was buried at the old > mud meeting house. But there is another Cornelius Van Arsdall buried > at the Mud Meeting house. He was bron 15 Feb 1766 and died 14 Oct > 1866. Do you know anything about him? These people with the same names > can drive you crazy. My maiden name is Van Osdol so all of these Vans > are my relatives. > Thanks for such great help! > It is really too bad that there is not a good book on the Van > Arsdalen, however you spell it, family > Glee > <> -

Thank you for your help. All that material on him was wonderful. I already had him in my data base but not that he was buried at the old mud meeting house. But there is another Cornelius Van Arsdall buried at the Mud Meeting house. He was bron 15 Feb 1766 and died 14 Oct 1866. Do you know anything about him? These people with the same names can drive you crazy. My maiden name is Van Osdol so all of these Vans are my relatives. Thanks for such great help! It is really too bad that there is not a good book on the Van Arsdalen, however you spell it, family Glee Do you mean the Cornelius A. Vanarsdale buried at Old Mud Mtg House in KY??? If so, my database shows the following (Additions and corrections are MOST WELCOME.): Cornelius Abramsz Van Arsdalen s/o Abraham Cornelisz Van Arsdalen & Marie Van Nuys born Jul 05, 1748 died Jan 05, 1840 mercer Co., KY married Jan 24, 1771 Somerset Co., NJ to Jannetje Baird Additional info: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mercer&id=I4831 Mercer Co. Order Book 'Q', page 559: ---------------------------------- Proof that Cornelius Vanarsdel, late U.S. pensioner, departed this life January 5th 1840, leaving no widow, but heirs: daughter Elizabeth who married Cornelius A. [sic] Vanarsdel, sons Abraham, Alexander and Cornelius C. Vanarsdel, daughter Mary Cozine, also grandchildren by son Simon Vanarsdel, dec'd. and a great grandson Abraham Vanarsdel, son of Abraham dec'd. who was a son of Simon Vanarsdel, dec'd. ............... Sessional Records of the New Providence Presbyterian Church (microfilmed and on record at the Harrodsburg Historical Society): ----------------------------------------------------------------- January 5, 1840 Sabbath - Mr. Cornelius A. Vanarsdall in the 91st year of his life (b. 1749?), departed this life at his son's, Cornelius C. on Salt River. .=== Source: "Bible Records & Vital Statistics of Residents (Past & Present) of Mercer County, KY. Compiled by Alma Ray Sanders Ison and James H. Miller for the Harrosburg Historical Society, 1997 Van Arsdalen Bible "I copied from an old Dutch family Bible now in the possession of a brother of mine the following:" (From a 1932 letter of Dr. C.B. Van Arsdall, Sr.) Abraham VanArsdalen was born January 29th, 1708, and married October 1st, 1731 for the first time. And married for the second time February 7th, 1740, Maria Van Nuys born November 23rd in the year 1717. Isaac VanArsdalen born November 26th in the year 1734. Wilhelmus VanArsdalen born July 17th in the year 1737. My first child born the 28th of October, 1742, and died the 29 (Instant) (This is evidently Maria, the second wife, writing) My son Cornelius VanArsdalen born the 17 day of Auust, 1743, and he died the 11th day of July, 1745. My daughter Katy born the 2nd day of September, 1745. My Second son Cornelius born the 5th day of July, 1748. My Third Son Abraham born the 2 day of Dec-1750. My Husband Abraham VanArsdalen died the 13th day of April---1753. Maria VanArsdalen born the 18th day of July, 1753. Caty. - Married the 17 day of March, 1763. Cornelius Married the 24th day of January 1771. Abraham Married the 15 day of August 1771. The above was from Dr. C. B.Van Arsdall Sr. (dec'd) to F. D. VanOrsdale, Albany, N.Y. in 1932. The brother who owned the Bible mentioned was, Mr. Ryker Van Arsdall, Harrodsburg, Ky. (dec'd) Mrs. F.D. VanOrsdale gave these papers to me. Marie Menaugh Sandusky Contributed to the Harrodsburg Historical Society Library after Mrs. Sandusky's death. === Barb Terhune Glee Krapf wrote: Who was the above person? Who were his parents or what Van Arsdale line did he belong to. I cannot find him in my data base based on his birth in 1744. I was there and took pictures of some of the tombstone so might have on of his stone. There were quite a few Corneliuss in my line. Hope someone can tell me more about him and his family. Thank you, Glee ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just found the picture of his tombstone, I can read his name but nothing else. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" > Old Mud Meeting house cemetery in Ky. I do not know when he died early > 1800s > I guess. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WILLIAM M. WHITLOCK" <whitpdx8@msn.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:57 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelius A. Vanarsdale > > >> Where was he buried? When? >> >> Bill >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Glee Krapf>> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelius A. Vanarsdale >> >> >> Who was the above person? >> Who were his parents or what Van Arsdale line did he belong to. I cannot >> find him in my data base based on his birth in 1744. I was there and took >> pictures of some of the tombstone so might have on of his stone. There >> were quite a few Corneliuss in my line. Hope someone can tell me more >> about him and his family. >> Thank you, >> Glee >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Old Mud Meeting house cemetery in Ky. I do not know when he died early 1800s I guess. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLIAM M. WHITLOCK" <whitpdx8@msn.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelius A. Vanarsdale > Where was he buried? When? > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Glee Krapf<mailto:gleek@ptd.net> > To: dutch-colonies-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:11 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cornelius A. Vanarsdale > > > Who was the above person? > Who were his parents or what Van Arsdale line did he belong to. I cannot > find him in my data base based on his birth in 1744. I was there and took > pictures of some of the tombstone so might have on of his stone. There > were quite a few Corneliuss in my line. Hope someone can tell me more > about him and his family. > Thank you, > Glee > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you mean the Cornelius A. Vanarsdale buried at Old Mud Mtg House in KY??? If so, my database shows the following (Additions and corrections are MOST WELCOME.): Cornelius Abramsz Van Arsdalen s/o Abraham Cornelisz Van Arsdalen & Marie Van Nuys born Jul 05, 1748 died Jan 05, 1840 mercer Co., KY married Jan 24, 1771 Somerset Co., NJ to Jannetje Baird Additional info: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=mercer&id=I4831 Mercer Co. Order Book 'Q', page 559: ---------------------------------- Proof that Cornelius Vanarsdel, late U.S. pensioner, departed this life January 5th 1840, leaving no widow, but heirs: daughter Elizabeth who married Cornelius A. [sic] Vanarsdel, sons Abraham, Alexander and Cornelius C. Vanarsdel, daughter Mary Cozine, also grandchildren by son Simon Vanarsdel, dec'd. and a great grandson Abraham Vanarsdel, son of Abraham dec'd. who was a son of Simon Vanarsdel, dec'd. ............... Sessional Records of the New Providence Presbyterian Church (microfilmed and on record at the Harrodsburg Historical Society): ----------------------------------------------------------------- January 5, 1840 Sabbath - Mr. Cornelius A. Vanarsdall in the 91st year of his life (b. 1749?), departed this life at his son's, Cornelius C. on Salt River. .=== Source: "Bible Records & Vital Statistics of Residents (Past & Present) of Mercer County, KY. Compiled by Alma Ray Sanders Ison and James H. Miller for the Harrosburg Historical Society, 1997 Van Arsdalen Bible "I copied from an old Dutch family Bible now in the possession of a brother of mine the following:" (From a 1932 letter of Dr. C.B. Van Arsdall, Sr.) Abraham VanArsdalen was born January 29th, 1708, and married October 1st, 1731 for the first time. And married for the second time February 7th, 1740, Maria Van Nuys born November 23rd in the year 1717. Isaac VanArsdalen born November 26th in the year 1734. Wilhelmus VanArsdalen born July 17th in the year 1737. My first child born the 28th of October, 1742, and died the 29 (Instant) (This is evidently Maria, the second wife, writing) My son Cornelius VanArsdalen born the 17 day of Auust, 1743, and he died the 11th day of July, 1745. My daughter Katy born the 2nd day of September, 1745. My Second son Cornelius born the 5th day of July, 1748. My Third Son Abraham born the 2 day of Dec-1750. My Husband Abraham VanArsdalen died the 13th day of April---1753. Maria VanArsdalen born the 18th day of July, 1753. Caty. - Married the 17 day of March, 1763. Cornelius Married the 24th day of January 1771. Abraham Married the 15 day of August 1771. The above was from Dr. C. B.Van Arsdall Sr. (dec'd) to F. D. VanOrsdale, Albany, N.Y. in 1932. The brother who owned the Bible mentioned was, Mr. Ryker Van Arsdall, Harrodsburg, Ky. (dec'd) Mrs. F.D. VanOrsdale gave these papers to me. Marie Menaugh Sandusky Contributed to the Harrodsburg Historical Society Library after Mrs. Sandusky's death. === Barb Terhune Glee Krapf wrote: >Who was the above person? >Who were his parents or what Van Arsdale line did he belong to. I cannot find him in my data base based on his birth in 1744. I was there and took pictures of some of the tombstone so might have on of his stone. There were quite a few Corneliuss in my line. Hope someone can tell me more about him and his family. >Thank you, >Glee > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

Thank you so much. It is such wonderful information. I know it had to be a great project. I have published books for my Trimble County Historical Society and that was a job. Is the spreadsheet a larger print. I am using a large magnifying glass to look at the copies I made. I would like a copy and will be glad to pay you for it. Donna Stark, 12 Breckinridge Blvd. Frankfort, KY 40601 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Low Dutch - KY - Conewago records >I put this info together for the Mercer Co site originally. Wow has it > really been 8 years ago! If anyone is interested, I can send them the > original spreadsheet I used. It also has a page where I grouped the > births by family. > > Steve Brewer > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela J. > Sears > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:07 PM > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Low Dutch - KY - Conewago records > > Hi all, > > I think this is the website URL that Donna Stark has referenced: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymercer/LowDutch/Conewago.html > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >