Dorothy et al.: The Holland Society membership certificate hanging on the wall in my grandfather Van Blarcom's house, from my earliest memory, would have been the clue. :-) He was very proud of his Dutch ancestry. And so am I. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Koenig Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:57 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on > this > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and > 2) > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course > of > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and > her > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's > father > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in- > law). > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey > who > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from > Loudon > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back > to > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman > and his > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam > from > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, > and > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found > out I > have Dutch ancestry"? > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess I always knew it. One of my mother's favorite expressions when I was misbehaving was "Don't get my Dutch up!". Her maiden name was Demarest One time Our Pastor at the Reformed Church Of South Bushwick, Pastor Van Der Beek talked about how almost all of us were sitting amongst our cousins. Over the years I have learned that as a small group of people who have never left the New York/New Jersey area that almost everyone whose family is still there is related in some way. My wife who lived in Southern New Jersey has cousins, the Molls who were my cousins before they were hers. She grew up in Woodbury in Gloucester County. I made a trip to the County Historical Society one day and found a pamphlet on Pierre Cresson's family who had settled there marrying into the De La Plaine Family. My wife has ancestors named Provost and Ten Waert and Scholl who are also connected to the others. While we both have lots of connections to other Dutch and Huguenot families think of my son who now has many more connections. His fiancee is also of Huguenot ancestry from Richmond, VA. This gets complicated! Robert Demarest Cuminale ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My grandmother told me we had Colonial Dutch ancestors when I was no older than five. She said there were some on her side and on her husband's and also in my mother's mother's family. She had a reproduction of a map of the Netherlands on the wall, and would point to a place in West-Friesland, probably around where the Beemster is, and tell me that some of ours came from there. I used to gaze at that map, and at a picture she had of a Dutchman smoking a clay pipe, with a ship in the background. Several years ago I learned my grandparents had been seventh cousins once removed, through two Lane/Van Pelt sisters, Catherine and Moica Gysberts Lane. I don't think my grandmother had been aware of that specific relationship though, because the connection was through a DeHart ancestor. The DeHart name in eastern Pennsylvania had morphed into the pronunciation "Z'art," which was even the way the name was spelled on a fractur birth certificate from 1851. I was pleased to learn the actual surname when I discovered a newspaper article about an interview with my 3-great grandmother, Mary DeHart, born 1815, which had been written in 1903. I recently had occasion to revisit the Beemster in virtuality as I learned of the death of William Whittington, an un-Dutch tobacco merchant from Accomack, Virginia. He died in Graft in 1659 while on a ship-purchasing trip there, and was buried in the floor of the church in Graft, in a grave owned by the Bestevaers, ship captains and tobacco merchants there. Whittington's grave stone survives to this day, wonderfully engraved with a ship in bas-relief, along with his clearly legible name and epitaph. Jan Bestevaer brought over several shiploads of colonists to New Amsterdam, returning to Holland with cargoes of tobacco. One day I'll check the ship's lists to see if any of mine came over in a ship captained by a Bestevaer. It's interesting how things revolve in echoes through time and space. Liz J born & raised in southern NJ

In Pennsylvania where I was born, there is a saying, "Ach, you're Dutch!" It seems to have many meanings: astonishment, unbelief, silliness, etc. I had a great uncle who used to tussle our hair in a friendly greeting and exclaim, "Ach, you're Dutch!" So we all called him "Uncle Dutch." It was my Buys family search that first started me on my trail of Dutch ancestors. But, along the way, I discovered many, many more Dutch connections. The Buys are in my mother's family and when I started researching my father's mother's family I ran into the Van Alstynes a couple generations back. Well, if you're a Van Alstyne, you are a: Van Alen, Van Deusen etc. etc. Both sides of my family are loaded with Dutch! I'm descended from almost every Dutchman (or woman) who got off the boat in New Netherlands! Uncle Dutch was right: "Ach, I'm Dutch!" Elsie Wilson Buys, Marselius, Bauman/Bowman, Bries, Bras, Vreelandt, Van Alstyne, Van Deusen, Van Alen, Van Buren, De Hooges, Bradt, Dumond (French and Dutch), Van Wagenen, Freer (French and Dutch), Pels, and a bunch more! :-) Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net

Hi, Have you done much research on the Herring's? I am looking for parents of Major Herring and spouse Winney? Major was born in NC in 1810. Would like to hear from you. Nancy T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Underwood" <paul_u@hotmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > Hi al, > > Tracing ancestors back through Victorian London, I discovered that > Priscilla > Augusta HERRING had married James UNDERWOOD on 26 Sep 1861 at St Paul's, > Lorrimore Square. They were my g-g-grandparents. > > Priscilla's grandfather was Benjamin HERRING (1771-1832), the second child > of Jan Fred HERRING and Lucretia Van DEURSEN who married 29 Apr 1767 at > the > DRC New York. After Jan Fred's death, Lucretia married Basil FRANCIS and > moved to England (Richmond, Yorkshire) with several of her children, > including Benjamin who became a Superintendent of Police, and died as > Governor of Winchester Bridewell (=prison). > > Lucretia's g-g-grandparents were Dom. Everardus Bogardus and Anneke Jans. > > Paul Underwood. > > P.S. If anyone knows of any FRANCIS history before or after the marriage > to > Lucretia HERRING (nee van DEURSEN), please let me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. > http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are Loyer/Lawyer families in York and possibly Lancaster Co. PA. One family of Loyers came from York Co. PA to Erie Co. PA about the same time as the Throne/Trone family made the same move. Elsie Wilson At 10:39 AM 3/20/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. > >I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer >(B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. > >I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. > >Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. > >There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 >in Frederick Co., VA. > >Now my puzzle. > >There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and >Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. > >Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a >migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were >Loyalist to the English Crown. > >Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. > >Thank You, >Debbie Freeman > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net

What an interesting topic! You certainly know how to get everyone thinking, Dorothy. It took me 25 years to find the parents of my Franklin Hazelton Ward who was born in Herkimer County, New York in 1818 and later lived in St. Joseph County, Indiana. He was the illegitimate son of Aaron Ward (Jr.) and Pheba Burch. Then on a "Come Back to New England" week in 1996 I found a family history, written by a woman who was alive when F.H. Ward was. The book went back two more generation telling me that F.H. Ward's grandparents were Aaron Ward (Sr.) and Elisabeth Wendell and the "rest is history". I have found many interesting early New Netherland ancestors of Dutch, Huguenot, English and German decent. Ann Andersen -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:38 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 112 Today's Topics: 1. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Dave & Liz DuBois) 2. Re: Lawyer Families? (Barbara de Mare) 3. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (NYHuguenot@aol.com) 4. Re: Lawyer Families? (Elsie H. Wilson) 5. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Barbara de Mare) 6. How I found I was Dutch... (Barbara Whiteside) 7. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (Elsie H. Wilson) 8. Re: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry (E Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <46004214.3040302@sinclair.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I sort of stumbled onto my Dutch ancestry! My father passed away in 1989, leaving his odd collection of genealogical notes. My mother asked me to "tie up the loose ends". At first I flatly refused, but then she hit me with, "Well, I'll just throw it all away then!" and I caved in, took the two huge boxes of his jumbled papers and spent months sorting. >From what my mother had said and what I vaguely remembered my father and his mother saying, that side of the family was English, with a bit of Scotch and Irish thrown in for variety. Months of sorting and doing a little bit of loose ends tying, I found more English, Irish and Scotch. As I worked on the WISNER line (originally from Switzerland) I soon discovered a number of Dutch connections in New York and New Netherland...BERTHOLF, VANDEREBOGART/D, TERHUNE. One name led to another...a good Scotsman, MAXWELL, in Elmira, NY married VANSTEENBERG. Then my mother sent me all of her genealogy notes since "You are doing such a great job with Dad's!" She was convinced they were all Scotch and German, with maybe an Irish line in there. They were, but her LOTT line (which she thought was German and which I can't seem to trace back to anybody!) had married a KIP. Within a year I discovered that my mother and father were cousins. More research over the years has connected them as 9th cousins descended from Nicasius deSILLE, 9th cousins once removed descended from Jan Jansen SCHEPMOES, and 10th cousins descended from Cornelis [VanDerHOEVEN] and Geertje VanFULPEN. But it doesn't stop there! Nearly 10 years after my father's death, my mother remarried. Her new husband knew little of his father's side of the family thanks to a divorce when he was very young. He asked me to do some searching. Much to his delight, I found him a half sister. The bonus for me was that she had a little bit of family genealogy to share. From her meager notes, I was able to find that my father and my step-father were cousins! They are 8th cousins once removed descended from VANSTEENBERG and they are 9th cousins 3 times remove descended from Jan Janszen VanLANGEDYCK! Small world...all Dutch related! I eventually discovered Dutch ancestors on my husband's side of the family, since DuBois was in New York from about 1660 and married into several Dutch lines. And while my husband and I are also distant cousins, as is our daughter and her husband, those are all English connections in New England. Liz ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <600174.18486.qm@web56911.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There was a large Lawyer family in Montgomery or Schoharie County, New York (not quite sure where the boundary is). They lived in Lawyersville, which is now a crossroads near Cobleskill (Schoharie County). That area wasn't settled until the early 18th century, so the dates are right. I don't think they were either Dutch or Palatines, the main settlers of the area, so have no idea when whence they got there. Debbie Freeman <freeames@comcast.net> wrote: Hello, I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer (B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 in Frederick Co., VA. Now my puzzle. There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were Loyalist to the English Crown. Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. Thank You, Debbie Freeman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:06:00 EDT From: NYHuguenot@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c65.f409a11.3331a6b8@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I guess I always knew it. One of my mother's favorite expressions when I was misbehaving was "Don't get my Dutch up!". Her maiden name was Demarest One time Our Pastor at the Reformed Church Of South Bushwick, Pastor Van Der Beek talked about how almost all of us were sitting amongst our cousins. Over the years I have learned that as a small group of people who have never left the New York/New Jersey area that almost everyone whose family is still there is related in some way. My wife who lived in Southern New Jersey has cousins, the Molls who were my cousins before they were hers. She grew up in Woodbury in Gloucester County. I made a trip to the County Historical Society one day and found a pamphlet on Pierre Cresson's family who had settled there marrying into the De La Plaine Family. My wife has ancestors named Provost and Ten Waert and Scholl who are also connected to the others. While we both have lots of connections to other Dutch and Huguenot families think of my son who now has many more connections. His fiancee is also of Huguenot ancestry from Richmond, VA. This gets complicated! Robert Demarest Cuminale ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:25:31 -0500 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070320162357.00b3ed08@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There are Loyer/Lawyer families in York and possibly Lancaster Co. PA. One family of Loyers came from York Co. PA to Erie Co. PA about the same time as the Throne/Trone family made the same move. Elsie Wilson At 10:39 AM 3/20/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. > >I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer >(B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. > >I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. > >Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. > >There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 >in Frederick Co., VA. > >Now my puzzle. > >There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and >Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. > >Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a >migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were >Loyalist to the English Crown. > >Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. > >Thank You, >Debbie Freeman > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:27:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <957903.2927.qm@web56910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 My mother had always told me we had Dutch ancestors, but I thought she was exagerating--why I'm not really sure. I knew we had Schuyler and Beekman ancestors, both of whom are Dutch, but thought they were an anomaly. It was my impression my ancestors were all English, with a small Palatine line thrown in. When I became a serious researcher, at least 10 years ago, I started with the Palatines, who married the Schuylers. From that I learned I had a few more Dutch ancestors than I originally thought, but still didn't think it was significant. Only in the past couple of years did it finally sink in that I had many, many Dutch ancestors. In addition to all the lines which fed into the Beekman and Schuyler lines, other English ancestors had married Dutch. I only gradually came to realize that being descended from one early Dutch family generally implies descent from many. The Huguenots were similarly recently discovered. My self-view was also changed with the knowledge of how very Dutch my ancestry is. I used to consider myself almost purely English, but now consider myself Dutch-English. The Palatine line is still small by comparison to the rest, as they didn't immigrate here until 1710. The Dutch and Engish were nearly a century older. Barbara de Mare from New Jersey Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:28:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... To: Dutch - <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <393590.39843.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share with anyone interested. Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were rare instead of not common. HA! Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. Interesting. Barbara Whiteside http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:37:04 -0500 From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20070320162700.00b4c330@mail.charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In Pennsylvania where I was born, there is a saying, "Ach, you're Dutch!" It seems to have many meanings: astonishment, unbelief, silliness, etc. I had a great uncle who used to tussle our hair in a friendly greeting and exclaim, "Ach, you're Dutch!" So we all called him "Uncle Dutch." It was my Buys family search that first started me on my trail of Dutch ancestors. But, along the way, I discovered many, many more Dutch connections. The Buys are in my mother's family and when I started researching my father's mother's family I ran into the Van Alstynes a couple generations back. Well, if you're a Van Alstyne, you are a: Van Alen, Van Deusen etc. etc. Both sides of my family are loaded with Dutch! I'm descended from almost every Dutchman (or woman) who got off the boat in New Netherlands! Uncle Dutch was right: "Ach, I'm Dutch!" Elsie Wilson Buys, Marselius, Bauman/Bowman, Bries, Bras, Vreelandt, Van Alstyne, Van Deusen, Van Alen, Van Buren, De Hooges, Bradt, Dumond (French and Dutch), Van Wagenen, Freer (French and Dutch), Pels, and a bunch more! :-) Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:37:45 -0500 From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <70541d1e0703201437g269d165fj1d33a74deab07826@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My grandmother told me we had Colonial Dutch ancestors when I was no older than five. She said there were some on her side and on her husband's and also in my mother's mother's family. She had a reproduction of a map of the Netherlands on the wall, and would point to a place in West-Friesland, probably around where the Beemster is, and tell me that some of ours came from there. I used to gaze at that map, and at a picture she had of a Dutchman smoking a clay pipe, with a ship in the background. Several years ago I learned my grandparents had been seventh cousins once removed, through two Lane/Van Pelt sisters, Catherine and Moica Gysberts Lane. I don't think my grandmother had been aware of that specific relationship though, because the connection was through a DeHart ancestor. The DeHart name in eastern Pennsylvania had morphed into the pronunciation "Z'art," which was even the way the name was spelled on a fractur birth certificate from 1851. I was pleased to learn the actual surname when I discovered a newspaper article about an interview with my 3-great grandmother, Mary DeHart, born 1815, which had been written in 1903. I recently had occasion to revisit the Beemster in virtuality as I learned of the death of William Whittington, an un-Dutch tobacco merchant from Accomack, Virginia. He died in Graft in 1659 while on a ship-purchasing trip there, and was buried in the floor of the church in Graft, in a grave owned by the Bestevaers, ship captains and tobacco merchants there. Whittington's grave stone survives to this day, wonderfully engraved with a ship in bas-relief, along with his clearly legible name and epitaph. Jan Bestevaer brought over several shiploads of colonists to New Amsterdam, returning to Holland with cargoes of tobacco. One day I'll check the ship's lists to see if any of mine came over in a ship captained by a Bestevaer. It's interesting how things revolve in echoes through time and space. Liz J born & raised in southern NJ ------------------------------ To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Hi everybody, Many thanks for all suggestions on the death date of Anneke Jans. I think William Bogardus' date seems to be more likely the correct one. Thanks also for the various sources. Being a direct UK descendant of Everardus Bogardus and Anneke Jans I don't have routine access to the various books etc which are, presumably, in New York libraries and collections. Paul Underwood > >From: Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Anneke Jans > >Jans died in Beverwyck (now Albany, New York) and although in >this book and others her date of death is recorded as February >23, 1663, this is actually the date when her son, Jan Roelofszen, >then 30 years old paid the church for the rental of a burial >pall. She may have died a day (or days) earlier and perhaps even >buried a day or more after February 23rd, but this is the closest >date known regarding her death." >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/

I neglected to complete my response. I discovered I had Dutch Ancestry, when we returned to Pennsylvania, my husbands home state, in the 1970's and I wrote to Mercer County Historical Society. In those days Alma Ison and other terrific women were working there and sent me several family sheets on the Darlands. They are the ones who told me that I should consider Dorland and to check out Somerset County N.J. for further Information. I am not sure how I got Ursula Brecknell and Arthur Weaner's names, but I was directed to them and that is how I discovered the truth. Terrific people who went out of their way to give a helping hand and Genealogical Societies really were very helpful back in those days, we were lucky to have them. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

We share severalcof those lines. see my website - iof anything looks familiar let me know. JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cal and Sally" <calandsally@cableone.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > > Dear List, > I started doing geneology 50 years ago when my husband was an Army officer > in Germany. I was able to find my Danish ancestors in Denmark, visit the > nearby archives, and have a researcher do what I couldn't. When we > returned to the states, I started on my Brittain/Britton/Stillwell etc. (my > dad's side) and later worked into Aten and other Dutch families. Direct > liines include Aten, Middagh, Skillman, Van Neste, and Van Dyke. > In the past few years I have also discovered many of my husband's > ancestors with Dutch ancestry primarily in NY & NJ. In a few cases we have > had siblings of offshoots of our direct ancestors marry; but not the direct > line. His lines include Holidays, Goes, Ostrander, Gardenier, Van den > Bergh, Van Deursen, Bries, Van Bremen, Lansing, Traphagen, Van Hoesen, Van > Schouw, and Myndertse. > Sally Shreeve > > > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this > > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) > > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of > > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her > > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father > > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). > > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who > > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon > > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to > > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his > > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from > > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and > > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > > have Dutch ancestry"? > > > > Dorothy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM > >

Our family always knew that our Revolutionary War Loyalist ancestor Joel Stone married Leah Moore in 1780. I later learned (tentatively) that Leah's mother was Mary BOGART/BOGERT who was baptised 4 February 1739 in the NY DR Church. I'm still trying to untangle her ancestry; I don't feel confident about it yet. Learning about the Dutch factor in the family opened up a whole new world for me and for my siblings. Nobody in the family had any idea of it. I've been reading about New Netherland ever since, and it is all most interesting. I've been heard to comment that having Dutch ancestry should have made me a better housekeeper, but apparently that talent is not genetic. :^) Edie in Maine

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One of mine was pretty easy. My grandmother was a Nevius and the Nevius family is very well documented.But when my ancestor left NJ and ended up in Ohio it gets pretty scarce for records. I still haven't found where they are buried. I am about 95% sure of where I think they are buried, but can't prove it with paper work. They were very earlt settlers in Ohio and died before the county really kept records very well. I do have proof they were there but not that they died there. On the other side of my family is the VanMetre family and they are pretty well documented also.I do have others I am trying to connect to but haven't had much luck with though.I know that my Morrison ancestors came from Somerset Co NJ but can't find much about them and if they came from New Amsterdam or not.

DeHooges and Bradt are my line ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsie H. Wilson" <ehwilson@charter.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry In Pennsylvania where I was born, there is a saying, "Ach, you're Dutch!" It seems to have many meanings: astonishment, unbelief, silliness, etc. I had a great uncle who used to tussle our hair in a friendly greeting and exclaim, "Ach, you're Dutch!" So we all called him "Uncle Dutch." It was my Buys family search that first started me on my trail of Dutch ancestors. But, along the way, I discovered many, many more Dutch connections. The Buys are in my mother's family and when I started researching my father's mother's family I ran into the Van Alstynes a couple generations back. Well, if you're a Van Alstyne, you are a: Van Alen, Van Deusen etc. etc. Both sides of my family are loaded with Dutch! I'm descended from almost every Dutchman (or woman) who got off the boat in New Netherlands! Uncle Dutch was right: "Ach, I'm Dutch!" Elsie Wilson Buys, Marselius, Bauman/Bowman, Bries, Bras, Vreelandt, Van Alstyne, Van Deusen, Van Alen, Van Buren, De Hooges, Bradt, Dumond (French and Dutch), Van Wagenen, Freer (French and Dutch), Pels, and a bunch more! :-) Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just wanted to let those who are interested that the indexing is complete and the book is now in the hands of the Barth family for publication which I gather will be completed around the month of May or early June, but could be sooner. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My line of Dorland/Darlands from Iowa thought that they were German, had no idea that they were Dutch and nothing at all that they origionated as Dorlands. Everything that they knew began with Lambert Darland in Kentucky and Indiana. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I allways knew it. My grandfather was born 1877 and lived to be 98, his grandparents were born in the late 1700's and lived to be very old. So, in just three generations who all knew about the Dutch connection it was passed down from generation to generation. Also a book was written in 1904 by a Judge Vories who was born early 1800's who knew all this firsthand. So, the precious book gave us information on our families. The Montfort's were French Huguenots but escaped to Amsterdam, then to New Amsterdam in 1634. Wonderful. I am built large, have a mans size hands and I always say it is my Dutch Heritage. I am verey proud of these families. I live close to the Low Dutch Colony in Kentucky where they came in 1780. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Koenig" <dkoenig@LMI.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > have Dutch ancestry"? > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share with anyone interested. Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were rare instead of not common. HA! Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. Interesting. Barbara Whiteside http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

My search began in 1995. My father always considered himself a "throwaway orphan" with no family other than his 4 siblings. My father was orphaned at the age of 6 years old with only a few pieces of family information that he knew. His name (James Harry Wells) was the reverse of his father's name (Harry James Wells), his mother maiden name was Durling, they died a year apart, where they were buried, and that we were "Dutch, or English, or something", and he was sent to a Trenton, NJ orphanage after which he was fostered out to a family he lived with for many years. His 4 much older siblings died before I started my search and their children had less information than I had! The cemetery was local so I started my quest there and got the birth and death dates of his parents and the first name of his mother (Anna) and names of who I thought were Anna's parents. In searching the early internet I was able to connect with a man in Massachusetts who was a Durling descendent who told me of a book that was published in 1896 about the Durling (Dorlandt) family. He checked the book and was able to find Anna Durling and her parents William and Phebe Durling. It turned out that my father had an extensive Dutch ancestry dating back to the early 1200's in Holland. I was also able to find his French Huguenot history verified back to the 1500's in France. His French history is DuBois and ancestors Louis and son Abraham DuBois were 2 of the 12 founders of the town of New Paltz, NY! His Dutch ancestry in addition to Dorlandt includes Van Arsdale, Van Cleef, Post, Ammerman, Blauw, Staats, Van Boerum, Strycker, Sebring, Smit, Van Kessel, Coevert, Van der Goes, and Van Schouw--all settlers of New Amsterdam. I am still searching for his Wells ancestry in Chester County, PA, however every day I find new Dutch cousins on his mother Anna Corle Durling's side. My father passed away in 1969 always thinking of himself as that "throwaway orphan" with no family. When he passed over I am sure all his Dutch relatives welcomed him and introduced him to his large family that he only dreamed of. My research is dedicated and is in tribute to my father--James Harry Wells--The Dutch Descendent of the First Families of New Amsterdam. Jacqueline Wells Lubinski -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dorothy Koenig Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:56 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and my self-identity has been changed in the process! Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I have Dutch ancestry"? Dorothy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother had always told me we had Dutch ancestors, but I thought she was exagerating--why I'm not really sure. I knew we had Schuyler and Beekman ancestors, both of whom are Dutch, but thought they were an anomaly. It was my impression my ancestors were all English, with a small Palatine line thrown in. When I became a serious researcher, at least 10 years ago, I started with the Palatines, who married the Schuylers. From that I learned I had a few more Dutch ancestors than I originally thought, but still didn't think it was significant. Only in the past couple of years did it finally sink in that I had many, many Dutch ancestors. In addition to all the lines which fed into the Beekman and Schuyler lines, other English ancestors had married Dutch. I only gradually came to realize that being descended from one early Dutch family generally implies descent from many. The Huguenots were similarly recently discovered. My self-view was also changed with the knowledge of how very Dutch my ancestry is. I used to consider myself almost purely English, but now consider myself Dutch-English. The Palatine line is still small by comparison to the rest, as they didn't immigrate here until 1710. The Dutch and Engish were nearly a century older. Barbara de Mare from New Jersey Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/