Hi Debbie Freeman, The Lawyer family that lived in Schoharie County, NY were Palatines per Hank Jones's Palatine Families of New York, 1710. Richard

I also have Griggs out of Halfmoon, NY. John and Hannah Scouten left and came to Alburg, VT about 1783. John's brother Abraham left too and went to Noyan, Que which is just over the line from Alburg. John and Abraham's parents were Alexander Griggs and Hester Frear. I don't have a birth place for either of them or a marriage. For Alexander's parents I have Alexander Griggs and Mary Hossy. I don't remember where that last bit of information comes from. Perhaps the Internet. I don't know if it is correct either. I always wondered what kind of place Halfmoon was around the time that the Griggs family left. I had heard that it was an Indian trading place where a lot of merchandise that would be needed was sold and or traded. Does anyone know anything about the Natives and interactions of Halfmoon? ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Literally, for centuries, my family has boasted about their Dutch ancestors. You can understand my consternation when I found the 1692 marriage record for my immigrant ancestor, Matthys Cornelissen, on Donna Rittenbatt's website, and he was discribed as "van Jutland". This is the only place where that discription of my ancestor appears, but his descendants took the surname Van Horne. It happens that on the northern tip of Jutland, there is a town and an administrative district named Horne. Unfortunately, as near as I have been able to determine, there are no records from this area for the period of time he might have lived there. Analysis of the haplogroup information fromm the yDNA of descendants of Matthys Cornelissen indicates he belonged to a specific clade---I1a-AS12. This is one of the Anglo Saxon types that with others makes up the majority of the male population of Denmark. Marleen Van Horne

I discovered through Wm. Peterson's book Ancestors and Descendants of Garrett Peterson and Nancy Smock. We had already found the name of Harpert Peterson, as being the grandfather of John Griggs Peterson on family documents and from there discovered the research done by Wm. Peterson. It was such an exciting find and has been ever since I told my father that he was 'Dutch' not Scandinavian! Peterson was a name that started as Tomas Pieterse, son of Peter Garrabrant...on down the line and finally became Peterson. Annie Peterson Johnson

I always considered the largest piece of my pie to be Norwegian, as my mother is full Norwegian. My father once sat me down and laid out the rest of my lineage, down to 16ths. None of it included Dutch, though there were Pennsylvania Dutch in there somewhere. But he had a lovely resource--a box of materials that went back as far as his great grand father's Bible, journal, his wife's New Testament printed in Amsterdam in 1743. My father wrote a family book in the mid 1980s, stressing his great grandfather and all his descendants. Somehow he didn't catch that we might have any Dutch in us. When he knew he was dying, and that I was staring to work online, he gave the materials to me. I found a clue--My great great grandfather's middle name was Schermerhorne. That and the Dutch New Testament and having just stumbled on this list got me started. I think within a week I had found how many Dutch names are part of my genealogy. I'm still half and a smidge Norwegian (I found a Norwegian who came to Schenectady before 1690) I just wish I could tell my father. Doris Waggoner Seattle -- Barbara de Mare <barbarademare@yahoo.com> wrote: My mother had always told me we had Dutch ancestors, but I thought she was exagerating--why I'm not really sure. I knew we had Schuyler and Beekman ancestors, both of whom are Dutch, but thought they were an anomaly. It was my impression my ancestors were all English, with a small Palatine line thrown in. When I became a serious researcher, at least 10 years ago, I started with the Palatines, who married the Schuylers. From that I learned I had a few more Dutch ancestors than I originally thought, but still didn't think it was significant. Only in the past couple of years did it finally sink in that I had many, many Dutch ancestors. In addition to all the lines which fed into the Beekman and Schuyler lines, other English ancestors had married Dutch. I only gradually came to realize that being descended from one early Dutch family generally implies descent from many. The Huguenots were similarly recently discovered. My self-view was also changed with the knowledge of how very Dutch my ancestry is. I used to consider myself almost purely English, but now consider myself Dutch-English. The Palatine line is still small by comparison to the rest, as they didn't immigrate here until 1710. The Dutch and Engish were nearly a century older. Barbara de Mare from New Jersey Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother's maiden name is Van Horne, but it never crossed my mind to question what country that name was associated with. I was told that my great great grandmother spoke "Pennsylvania Dutch" so in my ignorance I thought she was "Dutch", though I was told she was German. Which her parents were from Germany I found out through my research, of course. This great great grandmother had a child who married a Van Horne. When I began my family research in 1989 I started with my Mother's side. I was going on the basis of being connected with Jan Cornelissen Van Hoorn, but found that to be false information and learned I descended from Mathyse Cornelissen. Once I jumped into the age of the Internet it seemed like my education of learning who my Dutch ancestors were was abundant. The history of New Amsterdam to New York has been fascinating and when I see New York City on TV I always wonder picture in my mind what the area might have looked like in the 1600's. Being a descendant of Phillippe de Truiex I learned that my husband and I are cousins, so researching his Dutch ancestry has been fascinating also. Thanks to many on this list and to you Dorothy I have learned a lot about my ancestors and how to do genealogy research in general and researching Dutch ancestors. I still have some dead ends on other lines on my mothers side and hopefully I have a lot of years left to live so I can continue playing hide and seek with my ancestors. Lisa

I'm looking forward to it, Judy. I'm hoping I will find clues to help me prove (or disprove) that I'm descended from Gideon or Hezekiah (Giery) Wright. Leslie Hope -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:43 AM To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Dorland Engima Just wanted to let those who are interested that the indexing is complete and the book is now in the hands of the Barth family for publication which I gather will be completed around the month of May or early June, but could be sooner. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, with a surname starting with "Van", and attending a church which we still referred to as "Dutch Reformed", it was a bit on the obvious side from an early age. What was really surprising is how many ways I was descended from the Van Houten immigrant ancestor, and that my mother (of predominantly recent Scotch-Irish ancestry) also had a tiny bit of Dutch ancestry, making her my father's distant cousin.

Liz, could you elaborate on the Dutch connections you discovered to your Wisner line? I have a Cornelius de Wisner (or possibly C.D. Wisner, or Cornelius DuBois Wisner) born in Orange County, NY, parents unknown. I would be very interested in your research with regard to Wisner. Lorna in Maine

I, too, owe knowledge of my Dutch ancestry to Dorothy Koenig. I always knew that my great-grandmother's last name was Van Wyck. I also knew she had been born in Canada, although her family had moved to Michigan after the Civil War. She and my greatgrandfather met and married there, but subsequently followed the Quaker migration to Whittier CA. Both of these ggrandparents eventually died in Santa Monica where I live now. Then I met a Canadian cousin from an announcement in the Rootsweb review that led me to a messsage board. This cousin had researched our Van Wyck line in the Canadian vital records, so I posted what I had gotten from her as a query on the Dutch Colonies list. Dorothy replied with enough information that I could trace the rest of my Van Wyck line back to the immigrant, as well as a hint that I might be descended from John Alden and Pricilla Mullens which indeed has turned out to be the case. From there I was able to find links to my other Dutch colonial lines as well as the Seabury family who founded the Episcopal Church at the time of the Revolution. My Samuel Van Wyck had married the daughter of Wert Banta, a notorious United Empire Loyalist hell raiser, so I assume that is why the family was resettled to Canada after the Revolutionary War where they remained for several generations. My grandfather had always talked about his Pennsylvania Dutch heritage which I had always assumed was my ggrandmother Van Wyck's line, but I later found out that the Pennsylvania Dutch he was talking about might have been my Dawdy/Swayze line, which is actually my ggrandmother Van Wyck's mother's line. So now when I take the Van Wyck Parkway out of JFK or when I learned that the first mayor of NYC was a Van Wyck, it's fun to be able to tie that information into my family's history. And so it goes, Leslie Hope

Jean, I share your Cool, Vinge, VerPlank, and Bogart lines. It is fun to be Dutch. Cousin Elizabeth in Ft.Wayne,IN ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Dear list, most of the Dutch ancestors I know were provided by you wonderful people on the list, the Uster Co. Gen Society, a few books and other records and a lot of experts. I have wondered if its possible, but I have counted about 54 Dutch ancestors so far. Some may not be pure Dutch but in the neighborhood. As children we always thought my grandmother had Indian blood, so later I started looking for it in her Westfall family. I found none but a ton of ancestors fell in my lap. My grandmother was Lucy Kittle Swecker. Her g-g grandparents were Abraham Kittle and Christina Westfall. He is buried in the Arnold Hill Cemetery on our website below. I have 5 Westfall lines. You might find a few other NY Dutch buried in this little cemetery. Some of my lines are ; KEATOR, ROOSA, DeJONG, PELS, COOL, SIMONS, DEGRAW, KUYKENDALL, TACK, KORTRECK, WEBER, VAN VREDENBURG, ROSENCRANCE, VOLKERSON, VINGE, HORNBECK, ZEH, VANDERPOOL, VERPLANK, VANETTEN, VANGARTEN, WIGGERS, POST, DIRCKS, DEHOOGES, BOGART, KITTLE, KELDER,VOOGTH, LEYDECKER and more. Regards, Jeanne Russell in Lebanon, Pa.

I first became aware of my Dutch heritage when I was researching my Griggs line in New Jersey in the 1700’s. I was very fortunate to meet Dorothy Koenig online and she introduced me to my Dutch heritage. She provided me with a wealth of information on my family and had it not been for her I would no doubt still be searching? Thank you Dorothy. Frank

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave & Liz DuBois" <ddubois@sinclair.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry >I sort of stumbled onto my Dutch ancestry! My father passed away in > 1989, leaving his odd collection of genealogical notes. My mother asked > me to "tie up the loose ends". At first I flatly refused, but then she > hit me with, "Well, I'll just throw it all away then!" and I caved in, > took the two huge boxes of his jumbled papers and spent months sorting. >>From what my mother had said and what I vaguely remembered my father and > his mother saying, that side of the family was English, with a bit of > Scotch and Irish thrown in for variety. > > Months of sorting and doing a little bit of loose ends tying, I found > more English, Irish and Scotch. As I worked on the WISNER line > (originally from Switzerland) I soon discovered a number of Dutch > connections in New York and New Netherland...BERTHOLF, VANDEREBOGART/D, > TERHUNE. One name led to another...a good Scotsman, MAXWELL, in Elmira, > NY married VANSTEENBERG. > > Then my mother sent me all of her genealogy notes since "You are doing > such a great job with Dad's!" She was convinced they were all Scotch > and German, with maybe an Irish line in there. They were, but her LOTT > line (which she thought was German and which I can't seem to trace back > to anybody!) had married a KIP. Within a year I discovered that my > mother and father were cousins. More research over the years has > connected them as 9th cousins descended from Nicasius deSILLE, 9th > cousins once removed descended from Jan Jansen SCHEPMOES, and 10th > cousins descended from Cornelis [VanDerHOEVEN] and Geertje VanFULPEN. > > But it doesn't stop there! Nearly 10 years after my father's death, my > mother remarried. Her new husband knew little of his father's side of > the family thanks to a divorce when he was very young. He asked me to > do some searching. Much to his delight, I found him a half sister. The > bonus for me was that she had a little bit of family genealogy to > share. From her meager notes, I was able to find that my father and my > step-father were cousins! They are 8th cousins once removed descended > from VANSTEENBERG and they are 9th cousins 3 times remove descended from > Jan Janszen VanLANGEDYCK! Small world...all Dutch related! > > I eventually discovered Dutch ancestors on my husband's side of the > family, since DuBois was in New York from about 1660 and married into > several Dutch lines. And while my husband and I are also distant > cousins, as is our daughter and her husband, those are all English > connections in New England. > > Liz > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My husband also shares most of your lines through Jurian Westfall. Jan B. Castle Rock, WA > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeanne Russell > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:12 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > > Dear list, most of the Dutch ancestors I know were provided by you > wonderful people on the list, the Uster Co. Gen Society, a few books and > other records and a lot of experts. I have wondered if its possible, but > I have counted about 54 Dutch ancestors so far. Some may not be pure > Dutch but in the neighborhood. As children we always thought my > grandmother had Indian blood, so later I started looking for it in her > Westfall family. I found none but a ton of ancestors fell in my lap. My > grandmother was Lucy Kittle Swecker. Her g-g grandparents were Abraham > Kittle and Christina Westfall. He is buried in the Arnold Hill Cemetery > on our website below. I have 5 Westfall lines. You might find a few > other NY Dutch buried in this little cemetery. Some of my lines are ; > KEATOR, ROOSA, DeJONG, PELS, COOL, SIMONS, DEGRAW, KUYKENDALL, > TACK, > KORTRECK, WEBER, VAN VREDENBURG, ROSENCRANCE, VOLKERSON, > VINGE, > HORNBECK, ZEH, VANDERPOOL, VERPLANK, VANETTEN, VANGARTEN, > WIGGERS, POST, > DIRCKS, DEHOOGES, BOGART, KITTLE, KELDER,VOOGTH, LEYDECKER and > more. > Regards, > Jeanne Russell in Lebanon, Pa. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message

Hi al, Tracing ancestors back through Victorian London, I discovered that Priscilla Augusta HERRING had married James UNDERWOOD on 26 Sep 1861 at St Paul's, Lorrimore Square. They were my g-g-grandparents. Priscilla's grandfather was Benjamin HERRING (1771-1832), the second child of Jan Fred HERRING and Lucretia Van DEURSEN who married 29 Apr 1767 at the DRC New York. After Jan Fred's death, Lucretia married Basil FRANCIS and moved to England (Richmond, Yorkshire) with several of her children, including Benjamin who became a Superintendent of Police, and died as Governor of Winchester Bridewell (=prison). Lucretia's g-g-grandparents were Dom. Everardus Bogardus and Anneke Jans. Paul Underwood. P.S. If anyone knows of any FRANCIS history before or after the marriage to Lucretia HERRING (nee van DEURSEN), please let me know. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/

These stories are interesting. I always assumed that most of my ancestors were from England and related UK countries, which many were. However, my mother used to tell her children that we were "stubborn Germans just like our father". The outcome -- when I began tracing our family lines -- my mother was found to have a few specifically German ancestors and my father's were Sottish (which we knew) and Dutch with a few people of French Huguenot and German/Palatine ancestry in the Dutch mix. Then there was the story that we were somehow related to Israel Putnam of Rev. War fame. It turned out we are descendants of the Dutch PUTMANS or POOTMANs My great grandmother who died in 1926 in Washington State was a STOTENBUR. After looking for a few years I found her earliest ancestor Pieter STOUTENBURGH, the 1st treasurer of Manhattan in 1635. My STOTENBUR line includes van Tienhoven, Van Rollegom, Teller, Van Vleck and Kip. My PUTMAN line includes Ackerman, Bradt, DeVos, Vandenburgh and Bosch. I know there are others. There are Barnharts and Roes who married into the PUTMAN line and likely were Palatines. Margaret Scheffler

Dutch ancestry came as a surprise to me. It's been no more than 15 years that I've been researching my family history. As none of the family had any interest, there was basically no information to start on. What a wonderful journey. I found the early New England ancestors from England who arrived in the 1620's. However I recently found a Palatine ancestor who led me to Willem Brower [not related to Adam Brower as far as I can Know] and Claas Andreis De Graaf. The main difference with the Dutch ancestry research is the abundant resources. What wonderful records our Dutch ancestors kept especially the church records. I am looking forward to many more discoveries. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My great-aunt Dora used to tell me stories about her mother who was Dutch - she called her Jersey Dutch. After my aunt passed away, I decided to start looking up our ancestors. I knew my great-grandmother's maiden name was Storm(s) and that we were related to Blauvelts as well. After posting on Bergen County lists, one line led to another (as is so often the case in Bergen County) and I found the rest of the family which includes: Storm, Storms, Blauvelt, Banta, Folley, Doremus, Demarest, and Ackerman. Through this toilsome world, alas! Once and only once I pass; If a kindness I may show, If a good deed I may do To a suffering fellow man, No delay for it is plain I shall not pass this way again." ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My interest started from a document my father had which is a commission as a Lieutenant in the New York State Militia for John Van Orden dated 1811 (I still have it). He is my 3-g grandfather. I became more interested because there is an excellent genealogy library (Sutro) in San Francisco, and the ease of recording ancestors with PAF (goodbye fan charts!) I wish my parents had lived long enough to learn that that they are directly though distantly relate in two lines (De Grauw and Van Noorstrandt). Frank Van Orden