Marjorie Dikeman Chamberlain has been living in an assisted-living residence in California but my letters to her there recently have been returned, so I am assuming that she has died or is no longer mentally alert. I have her first book, but not her second. In that first book (page 45), she gives # 53 Maryke Dyckman, daughter of Johannes and Engeltje Dyckman, as being the child baptized on 17 Oct 1724 at the Linlithgo Reformed Dutch Church. The name in the entry has faded and all that is visible is "....yke". This looks more like Maryke than Judith. Marjorie also noted that the children assigned to Johannes Dyckman and Engeltje [Buys?] appear in church records later as sponsors for each other's children, or with Johannes and Engletje as sponsors of their children. That does not apply to Judith. #26 Judith, b. ca. 1717, daughter of Johannes Dyckman and Rachel DeVaux, is called of "Norwack" [Norwalk, Fairfield County, Connecticut] in her marriage record to Benjamin Oosterhout. That does not suggest that she was born on Livingston Manor. If you have Marjorie's first book, however, you know all of this. Lois Stewart ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Jeanne, I also share most of your lines Barbara in NJ ----- Original Message ---- From: Jan Buker <jcbuker@bukerfamily.org> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:01:01 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry My husband also shares most of your lines through Jurian Westfall. Jan B. Castle Rock, WA > > Dear list, most of the Dutch ancestors I know were provided by you > wonderful people on the list, the Uster Co. Gen Society, a few books and > other records and a lot of experts. I have wondered if its possible, but > I have counted about 54 Dutch ancestors so far. Some may not be pure > Dutch but in the neighborhood. As children we always thought my > grandmother had Indian blood, so later I started looking for it in her > Westfall family. I found none but a ton of ancestors fell in my lap. My > grandmother was Lucy Kittle Swecker. Her g-g grandparents were Abraham > Kittle and Christina Westfall. He is buried in the Arnold Hill Cemetery > on our website below. I have 5 Westfall lines. You might find a few > other NY Dutch buried in this little cemetery. Some of my lines are ; > KEATOR, ROOSA, DeJONG, PELS, COOL, SIMONS, DEGRAW, KUYKENDALL, > TACK, > KORTRECK, WEBER, VAN VREDENBURG, ROSENCRANCE, VOLKERSON, > VINGE, > HORNBECK, ZEH, VANDERPOOL, VERPLANK, VANETTEN, VANGARTEN, > WIGGERS, POST, > DIRCKS, DEHOOGES, BOGART, KITTLE, KELDER,VOOGTH, LEYDECKER and > more. > Regards, > Jeanne Russell in Lebanon, Pa. > >

I've seen many Lawyers in Delaware Co., NY. There's also always the danger of confusing lawyer and sawyer, especially in the occupation column. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilly Martin" <malik@scs-net.org> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? > Dear Debbie, > > My ancestor named Jacob Brower b. 1772 named one of his sons as LAWYER > Brower b. 1805 NY. > > I had wondered why in the world he would pick that name? I did study the > Lawyer family in Schoharie Co NY, to see if there was a Brower-Lawyer > marriage, which would cause the name to be such. > > I did not find any Lawyer-Brower marriages. And I found that my Brower > family did not live in Schoharie Co NY. I finally concluded that they > must > have had a friend who was named Lawyer, and they used the name in honor of > that person. > > I remember that I subscribed to the Schoharie Co NY mailing list, and > there > was a researcher there who was very involved with the Lawyer name. As I > recall, this was a GERMAN immigrant ancestor. > > My suggestion, to subscribe to the mailing list there and ask for help, or > go to www.rootsweb.com family trees section, and find a posting, or > several, > of people named Lawyer in Schoharie Co NY, probably places like > Cobleskill, > and then email them and ask for some help or advice. > > I also found a large LAWYER family in early New Jersey. Since the Brower > family was also big in early New Jersey, I had considered that might be > the > connection for me, but finally I found my Brower ancestry was in New York > and not New Jersey, so I gave up on that idea. > Best regards, > Lilly Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Freeman" <freeames@comcast.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:39 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? > > >> Hello, >> >> I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. >> >> I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer >> (B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. >> >> I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. >> >> Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. >> >> There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 >> in Frederick Co., VA. >> >> Now my puzzle. >> >> There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and >> Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. >> >> Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a >> migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were >> Loyalist to the English Crown. >> >> Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. >> >> Thank You, >> Debbie Freeman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

For Halfmoon, Saratoga County, NY located north of the Mohawk river & Schenectady, try Google or the following publication: "Bits of Clifton Park History" by John Scherer. There are references in this book to early Dutch, etc. families: Van Vranken, Van Brockhoven, Arent Bradt, Jean La Liberte AKA Jan Fort, Visscher, Vedder and more. It gives a clear depiction of the lives of the first settlers. There is no index so I didn't find Griggs though there might be a reference. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Debbie, I have Lawyers in my family line. Not all of the NY Lawyers were Tories. On my list, I see a Jacob Frederick born 18 March 1769, s/o Johannes J. Lawyer and Anna Bouck. Another Jacob S. born 13 Aug 1748 married Anna Eve Berg. and several earlier Jacobs. My Bouck ( Bauch) line ties into the Lawyer line several times in the Schoharie area.I looked in both St. Pauls Lutheran and the Schoharie Reformed in 1757-8. Saw some Lawyers, but no child named Jacob. Middleburgh does not start until the late 1790's so no help there. There are a lot of Lawyers.. Have you tried to get in touch with the Old Stone Fort. They have so many of the early records in that area. Stephanie

Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows how to contact Ms. Dyckman, who wrote the Dyckman genealogy. I understand she wrote two books, but I have only seen one of them. In it she presents a pretty convincing argument that Judith Dyckman was the daughter of Johannes Dyckman and Rachel deVaux. I had spent a great deal of time looking up Rachel deVaux and her ancestors. As I was happily typing up all that information into my computer, I started putting in the vitals in my family history file. I noticed I had already typed in Judith Dyckman as being born Oct. 17, 1724. Hunting for that information among my piles of papers, I found the Vredenburgh site, and was told this information came from a book by Carol Johnson Clark. Seems this came from the Livingston Reformed Church in New York. And that she was the daughter of Johannes Dyckman b. 1690, and Engelltie Buys. This Johannes would be Johannes #3 in this country, son of Johannes and Jannetie Viele. I guess I am wondering if I can't contact Ms. Chamberlain and find out if her second book has this new (to me) information. And if not, if anyone else out there may have either her second book, or Ms. Clarks book about the Scotts of Baelwaerie. And see if there is any more information about the Dyckmans or Buys, that would be of help to me. Perhaps there is proof that Judith was born to Rachel deVaux. Thanks for any help. LeemaeGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi Pete,Sandra, and all, From: "j. gonigam" <gonigam@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Theunis / VanArnhem genealogy > Dear Sandra-- > > I, too, believe the Sara Theunis on "De Trauw" is the one who became the > wife of Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem). The reasons to believe this are rather > involved and ultimately tenuous, however. (I've recently been severely > chastised offlist for failing to adequately qualify my conclusions.) > > As Howard has pointed out to me, the passengers listed on "De Trauw" > are those whose passages were not pre-paid. It would be extremely > interesting to know who paid for the passage of this Sara Theunis but I'm at > a loss on where to find this record, if it exists in the first place. > (Howard??) See the article by Rosalie Bailey: Rosalie Fellows Bailey, Emigrants to New Netherland, NYGBR; vol 94 no 4 pp 193-200. See especially endnote #4. Note that the account book has both a debit side and a credit side. I believe that most of the info for the "passenger lists" came from the debit side. It appears to me from her fn 4 that the entry is listed in the name of the person responsible to pay. She notes also that "Many accounts have no credit entry." Makes you wonder if anybody was inclined to pay the DWIC after the English took over. Also, that Van Laer (in his 1902 HSYB version) included some of the credit info in parantheses and her article now includes many more. She ends with: "many more credit entries remain untranslated." So, it appears that Sara was apparently responsible for payment; but you'd have to get a copy of the relevant credit side to see if someone else might have paid for her. Bailey's article has nothing on that voyage of De Trouw. NYGBS has the account book (KK) on film; a member could probably get a copy of that page. Bailey's article does show examples where other people paid. Several years ago I was trying to figure out all the Jan Teuniszens and determine which was which. I seem to recall that I wrote something to this list (or to you) about some of what I'd found the last time this came up. But for a step in the elimination process, you should read the article by Lorine and Chris in NYGBR vol 131 (July 2000), pp 163-178 on the Pier origins. It has a good description of Jan Teunissen (Pier) in New Netherland; so you could eliminate him (as I think he is not the one you want). Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com > > Ryker in "Annals of Harlem" seems to claim (without citation) that Jan > Theunissen who eventually took the surname "Van Tilburg" was Sara Theunis' > brother. A couple of Harlem court cases show that Jan Theunissen was > intimately familiar with Jan Dircks (Van Arnhem)'s home and that his wife > accompanied Sara Theunis at least once to New York. Several of Jan > Theunissen's children bear the same names as several of Sara Theunis' > children (although they are fairly common names.) On the other hand, > Tilburg is a heck of a way from Rotterdam whence Sara supposedly hailed. > > Jan Theunissen Van Tilburg may have been the Jan Theunissen, possibly a > carpenter from Leiden, who was Schout of Brooklyn in 1646. That Jan > Theunissen may have been either a relative or friend of Tobias Theunissen > from Leiden who was friend and neighbor to Cornelis Switz whose daughter was > Apollonia Eckerson the mother of two of the spouses of Sara Theunis' > children. It's hard to tell if all the Jan Theunissens over the years in > various places are all the man who became Jan Van Tilburg. They might be, > though, since he looks to have been a peripatetic sort. If Jan Theunissen > is shrouded in uncertaintly, the good news is that Riker indicates there > are records relating to Tobias's Theunissen's family; the bad news is > they're in Leiden. > > So, at the moment, the short answer is no one knows who Sara Theunis was. > > --pete

When you grow up in Bergen County (New Jersey) with the last name of Van Riper and you go on school field trips to historical places and see your last name there, there's not much doubt about where you come from. My sister and I went on a field trip with the Girl Scouts back in the late 60's to an old Dutch cemetery to do rubbings of the ancient headstones. I remember giggling when we showed my Dad one of the rubbings we had taken from a headstone that had his name on it. Sue Van Riper-Connolly ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I must tell you that those names are not familiar to me, just so you know, but then we stopped mid 1880's. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I owe my knowledge about my Dutch Ancestors to the ladies, including Alma Ison of the Mercer County Kentucky Historical Society with whom I corresponded back in the 1960's and 1970's. These women, were very generous with their knowledge and suggestions and so I was directed to both Arthur Weaner of Hunterstown, PA and Ursula Brecknell of Somerset County, a relationship that I have today. People were extremely generous with sharing and assisting novice genealogists in those days and everything just grew from that point on. I was interested not only in the ancestor linage but also in the historical and land facts, so when my husband got out of the Marine Corps, we moved back to Ambler PA where he grew up, and I found myself in a wonderful location for exploring those areas where my family lived. Growing up in Iowa, I had no idea at all as this was my fathers side of the family who knew little to nothing about their family. When my daughter went to school out in Southampton, L.I., this gave us the opportunity to explore Staten Island and Brooklyn using old land maps and other clues. I found the Lammert Dorland homestead in Harlingen from the description in the Dorland genealogy and Ursula would take me exploring all around that wonderful area. I located the cemetery, which the farmer didn't believe existed and talked the Crawford House Inc. into taking care of it. We were able to explore the house and as Ursula is an Architectural Historian who is well respected in that region, we were allowed in to the house to take photos, and measurements. I spent time with Arthur in the Conowago region of PA, then Jim and I explored Kentucky and Shepardstown and I was able to find the location where the Dutch lived prior to their trip to Kentucky. We hit all the courthouses and Societies. It has been a wonderful experience and all along the way, were fantastic people ready and willing to give us a hand. Documents were more readily available to us then with little problems in obtaining them. I tried to pay all these people back by donating copies of what I had found believing that keeping it my home wasn't going to take it any where, but handing it down to the next generation, be it mine or someone else's would. Judy ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Does anyone have a record of Jansen being changed to Johnson? I have a family with the Low Dutch in Kentucky late 1700's and the spelling is Johnson. I thought they might be of the same group. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Ratay" <nr@ng-tek.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry >I blame my Dutch ancestors for my interest turned passion for > genealogy. My mother had bugged her mother before she died to help > her record as much as she remembered about the family, which was > considerable. Mom made me a fan chart with all the names and a note > off of one branch which said "descended from Dutch colonist Hendrick > Jansen Spear" (her spelling from her father). I was young (about 25) > and had just started teaching so didn't have a lot of time to do > much. Also like a lot of people thought skeptically, "Oh, sure." I > went with my mother-in-law (my research mentor) to Washington, D.C. > one summer where we spent several days either at the Library of > Congress or the DAR Library. In those few days I discovered that > Grandmother was right and had found a large stack of books and > transcribed documents that proved it. I also discovered all the > additional Dutch ancestor lines that I was also related to. > > Having uncovered so much information so quickly at a young age > encouraged me to continue looking at other lines. I now have the > patience and curiosity 30 years later to dig into my father's lines > which have been much harder to trace. I thank the Spear/Speer/Spier > family for that! > > Even though I have not sent in much in the way of queries or > comments, I want thank the experts on this list for keeping me up-to- > date on current questions and new findings on my Dutch lines since I > am, at the moment, spending much more time on other family lines. > > Nancy Ratay > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dorothy Koenig" <dkoenig@LMI.net> >> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:56 AM >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry >> >> >>> Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this >>> List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always >>> known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) >>> Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of >>> their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch >>> heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman >>> (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her >>> siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It >>> wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father >>> had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the >>> handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). >>> I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who >>> is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon >>> County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to >>> VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his >>> wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from >>> Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and >>> my self-identity has been changed in the process! >>> >>> Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I >>> have Dutch ancestry"? >>> >>> Dorothy >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

What book? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jacassidy22@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Dorland Engima > Just wanted to let those who are interested that the indexing is complete > and the book is now in the hands of the Barth family for publication which > I > gather will be completed around the month of May or early June, but could > be > sooner. > > Judy > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

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If you have Huguenots then you are also French. What name do you have that is Huguenot? The Huguenot only accepts people who are originally from France, born 15(not sure what last two years) and 1700. I am a member of the Society and all of you should join with these Huguenot Ancestors. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > My mother had always told me we had Dutch ancestors, but I thought she was > exagerating--why I'm not really sure. I knew we had Schuyler and Beekman > ancestors, both of whom are Dutch, but thought they were an anomaly. It > was my impression my ancestors were all English, with a small Palatine > line thrown in. When I became a serious researcher, at least 10 years > ago, I started with the Palatines, who married the Schuylers. From that I > learned I had a few more Dutch ancestors than I originally thought, but > still didn't think it was significant. Only in the past couple of years > did it finally sink in that I had many, many Dutch ancestors. In addition > to all the lines which fed into the Beekman and Schuyler lines, other > English ancestors had married Dutch. I only gradually came to realize > that being descended from one early Dutch family generally implies descent > from many. The Huguenots were similarly recently discovered. > > My self-view was also changed with the knowledge of how very Dutch my > ancestry is. I used to consider myself almost purely English, but now > consider myself Dutch-English. The Palatine line is still small by > comparison to the rest, as they didn't immigrate here until 1710. The > Dutch and Engish were nearly a century older. > > Barbara de Mare > from New Jersey > > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Maybe this is where I got my coloring. When I was young i was almost an albino. My sisters were considered to have blonde hair but even in black/white pictures you can see my hair is white. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: "Dutch -" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... > was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's > family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last > name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts > that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a > bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I > could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, > but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at > the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest > daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel > Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of > her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta > 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. > > For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in > celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into > Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the > records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were > indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly > Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that > line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York > County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now > eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share > with anyone interested. > > Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the > appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for > the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a > genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, > visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white > hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. > > My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, > Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, > Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my > Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, > through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. > > On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor > a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for > problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, > northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he > explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of > optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then > explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the > doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry > many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates > where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no > flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were > rare instead of not common. HA! > > Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue > eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. > Interesting. > > Barbara Whiteside > http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Barbara, do you have the orange Demarest set of books? I have the set and am putting it into a sale in August. If you know of anyone who wants the set I could bring it to the meeting and let someone there have it. OK, I have forgotten the date of the reunion and I decided to stay in Shelbyville instead of driving from Frankfort. need to call and make a reservation soon. Could you let me know. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: "Dutch -" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... > was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's > family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last > name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts > that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a > bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I > could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, > but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at > the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest > daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel > Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of > her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta > 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. > > For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in > celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into > Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the > records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were > indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly > Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that > line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York > County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now > eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share > with anyone interested. > > Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the > appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for > the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a > genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, > visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white > hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. > > My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, > Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, > Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my > Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, > through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. > > On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor > a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for > problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, > northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he > explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of > optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then > explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the > doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry > many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates > where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no > flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were > rare instead of not common. HA! > > Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue > eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. > Interesting. > > Barbara Whiteside > http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van Wycks, emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my paternal grandparents. When my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to give my first grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a nice surprise to find I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch side, I have about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was finding I had very tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more than once. My tangled roots. *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the immigrant. *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, the immigrant. *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van Blarcom, the immigrant. *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, the immigrant. *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, the immigrant. *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the immigrant. *I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, the immigrant. *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the immigrant and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, and I am descended from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. Ethel Kay Konight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Nancy Benjamin HERRING (c1675-bef1712) married Mary JANSEN before 1700, with two known children, Benjamin (c1700-c1767) and Martha ( -1757). Martha was the second wife of John FRED. Benjamin married Neeltje van SCHAIK (1703- ) on 20 Aug 1721 with two children, Arie (1722) and Maria (1725). He next married Wyndlyna van GORCUM on 30 Mar 1734 in Curacao, with five children, Jan Fred (1742-1779), Judick ( -aft1792), William (aft1734-aft1794), Maria and Benjamina ( –aft1794). Arie married Jannetje van HOEK with two children, Isaac and Benjamin. Jan Fred married Lucretia van DEURSEN as I said in my earlier post. William married Anna PEERS. Do any names ring a bell? I'm sure US researchers can be more accurate than I with the above lines. Paul Underwood >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:33:34 -0700 >From: "Nancy Thoben" <honeynan@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > >Hi, Have you done much research on the Herring's? >I am looking for parents of Major Herring and spouse Winney? Major was >born in NC in 1810. Would like to hear from you. Nancy T. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Underwood" <paul_u@hotmail.com> > > > > Tracing ancestors back through Victorian London, I discovered that > > Priscilla > > Augusta HERRING had married James UNDERWOOD on 26 Sep 1861 at St Paul's, > > Lorrimore Square. They were my g-g-grandparents. > > > > Priscilla's grandfather was Benjamin HERRING (1771-1832), the second >child > > of Jan Fred HERRING and Lucretia Van DEURSEN who married 29 Apr 1767 at > > the > > DRC New York. After Jan Fred's death, Lucretia married Basil FRANCIS and > > moved to England (Richmond, Yorkshire) with several of her children, > > including Benjamin who became a Superintendent of Police, and died as > > Governor of Winchester Bridewell (=prison). > > > > Lucretia's g-g-grandparents were Dom. Everardus Bogardus and Anneke >Jans. > > > > Paul Underwood. > > > > P.S. If anyone knows of any FRANCIS history before or after the marriage > > to > > Lucretia HERRING (nee van DEURSEN), please let me know. > > _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://msnuk.match.com/

When I first began doing genealogy on my family it was because I was inheriting old family pictures and memorabilia that I had previously known nothing about. One of my family names is Covert which of course I quickly discovered was a Dutch name originally. Couevers (I think) is how it was spelled. The family had immigrated early to New York and eventually someone aimed me at this message board and I got a lot of good info here. I have rejoined the list and have been monitoring the surnames coming through as I am curious about the origin of my Ross family whose first names are all either German or Dutch sounding. I am interested in seeing if they possibley migrated from Germany through Holland on the way here in the end. Love the list!! Linda Ross Owings Okla

Hi Donna, From: "Donna Stark" <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marretje Lamberts "uyt Nieuw Nederlandt" > Hi, Can you tell me what families were the four on Long Island? I know some > of my Montfort families went to and owned part of LI. I just don't know > which ones. You can see the Manatus map here: http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm068.html Even the enlarged version is hard to read for me. >From Stokes' Iconography vol 2, pp201-3, the families I was referring to are: #36 "wolfert Geritsz" = Wolfert Gerritsz van Couwenhoven; had Indian deed in 1636. #37 "Gegoergesyn" = Joris Rapalje; Indian deed in 1637 #38 ditto #39 "Claes norman" = Claes Carstensen, the Norman #40 "Dieryck de Norman" = Dirck Volckertsen aka the Norman. Leased bouwery in 1639 As to the Monfoorts, from New York Historical Mss.:Dutch; Land Papers -- p. 12 in 1641 Jan Montfoort was given a patent by Kieft for a parcel of land next to Renegakonck. (Ie. next to land of Joris Rapalje; see p. 7) p. 12 in 1641 Pieter Montfoort was granted land next to that of Jan Montfoort. For their location, see: http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/ED.Plantation.html Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com