Barbara, Thanks for the definition, pedigree collapse. I have always wondered what happens when you have two sisters who are your grandmothers because one's three grandsons married the other's three grand-granddaughters.. Not to mention all the children from second and third marriages who are now half siblings and also cousins. This has been enlightening. Imagine what a reunion would look like? Bob ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

I always knew that I had Dutch roots, as well. My gg-gm was born, Deborah Rivers SKATES. The name always intrigued me. My aunt had a needlepoint which she had stiched, which was of a Dutch mother, sitting on a bench, chiding her son, out in the garden. It was stiched on punched paper. It was intended to be a pillow cover. The background was never finished, and the paper began to deteriorate, so my aunt had it trimmed, mounted, placed behind glass and framed. It hung in her living room for many yeras. It now hangs in mine. When I started doing serious genealogy, I just started looking in the Indexes of all the books in our Local History Room (the Rockland Room), for SKATES. I found nothing, until I found a brief, single line, ancestor table in one of the volumes of American Ancestry by Thomas P. Hughes, published by Joel Munsell's Sons, 1887, and re-published by the genealogical Publishing Company in 1968. The line went from SKATES to SKAATES to SKAATS to SCHAATS to SCHAETS. The earliest ancestor was Domine Gideon SCHAETS, who came here in 1650, and became the second Dutch minister at Albany, serving for 50 years. Once I started looking at listings beginning with SCH---, rather than SKA---, it opened up everything. My SCHAETS married into BENSONs (Swedish/Dutch), SCHUYLER and LUWES/LEWIS (from Thomas Lewis, "the Irishman", who was born in Belfast, of parents thought to be Dutch Traders). Further research into the SCHAETS family turned up other connections into Albany, New Amsterdam and (New) Haarlem "Dutch" families including - RUTGERS (from Rutger Jacobsen Van SCHOENDERWOERT), SCHUYLER (German/Dutch), BRADT (Norwegian/Dutch), BLANCK, BANCKER, SUYDAM, ABEEL, LAURENS, LEISLER (German/French/Dutch), TYMENS, VerPLANCK (Belgian/Dutch), de HOOGHES, CROON, VANDERBEECK (German/Dutch) (Paulus), JANSZEN, and Marritje JANSZEN/JANS (sister of the infamous Anneke JANS, of the Trinity Church farm property fame), VINGE, Vab BREESTEDE, Van EPS, and BADIE/BADYE (French/Dutch). I welcome contact with anyone researching any of these lines. What amazes me is how many of these "Dutch" ancestors had roots in other European countries, and were Dutch by culture, and sometimes birth, rather than ancestry. What a wonderful heritage our Dutch ancestors have given us. Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: ETHELKK@aol.com Date: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:01 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry [with tangled roots] To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van > Wycks, > emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my paternal > grandparents. When > my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to > give my first > grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a > nice surprise to find > I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch > side, I have > about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was > finding I had very > tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more > than once. > > > My tangled roots. > *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van > Blarcom, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, > the > immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, the > immigrant. > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the > immigrant.*I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, > the immigrant. > *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the > immigrant > and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, and I am > descended from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. > > Ethel Kay Konight > > > >

Barbara, Thank you for your message. VanHornesville, New York was founded by my gggg-grandfather, Abraham Van Horne, about 1784. He found the stream during service in the Revolutionary War. My understanding is that he acquired the land on a military warrent for his service. Abraham was the grandson of Matthys Cornelissen, the Dane, and the son of Cornelius Van Horen, by his third wife, Hannah Seabrook. Matthys Cornelissen married Fytie Adam Brouwer, the daughter of Adam Brouwer and Magdalena Verdon, neither of whom were Dutch. Adam is well known for having built one of the first flour mills in North America. Cornelius Van Horen, his spelling, was described in legal documents and either a yeoman or a miller. So by the time you get to Abraham, he was the third generation miller, in our line. Abraham realized the stream at VanHornesville was perfect or powering a flour mill. The current mill building in Van Hornesville, which replaced the original, was built about 1848, by his grandson, if I remember correctly. To see the mill pond at VanHornesville go to: http://home.jps.net/~msvnhrn/things.html and follow the Van Horne links. Marleen Van Horne

Lisa, You are fortunate that Abraham married Anna Covenhoven. As you know his brother only married ladies with English ancestors. Actually, I had not read your message before I wrote mine. My research partner for the Van Horne surname forwarded your message to me, and I received it after I sent my message. I am currently in SLC doing research, and I spent the whole day trying to find the oldest copies of the church records where the Cornelissen, Van Horne and Evertsen vital events were recorded. I copies all these records several years ago, but seem to have misplaced them when I moved. I was hoping to replace them. I also noticed the RDC records formerly available on Donna Ristenbatt's website are no longer there. I have been wondering if the RDC has made everyone remove the records for reasons of copyright, or whatever. Can anyone comment on this? Marleen Van Horne

In addition to my Snapp/deGroff fairly new interest, my husband's grandmother was a mabie in Canada. Have traced that line back into the NY area. amongst the Dutch. alm > [Original Message] > From: <SMabie@aol.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/21/2007 2:54:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > > During the 1950s and 1960s, a man by the name of Royal Mabee, while > traveling around the country on business, would look up people with the surnames > Mabie, Mabee, Maybee etc. in phone books and then write them a letter, making > contact to see if there was any genealogical interest. In 1963, one such letter > found its way to my widowed grandmother in Philadelphia, and frankly, she > thought it was a scam. Luckily, she passed it on to an uncle of mine who in > turn shared the ensuing correspondence with me. > > Thirty some odd years later, with the advent of the internet, I was able to > start doing my own research, in some cases proving what Royal had thought, and > in other cases identifying corrections. Thanks largely to the LDS for > microfilming church and probate records and making them available to non-members, > my work has progressed far beyond my initial expectations. > > Note that I am not saying that the Mabie family is Dutch. Clearly, the name > is not. And I have noticed that quite a few of the responses so far have > not mentioned them as Dutch ancestors. But whether originally Scot (the > current favorite since it is the home of the Mabie Forest), English, Norman > (another favorite), French or German (an outside shot), the fact remains that our > progenitor, Pieter Casparszen van Naerden, was born in North Holland and lived > in New Amsterdam from at least 1647 through his death prior to 1665. So, > perhaps Dutch through choice as opposed to blood. > > My personal Dutch ancestors are all from the Schenectady area: Borsboom > (Pieter Jacobse), Vedder (Susanna) and Tol (Alida). > > Steve Mabie > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some great stories have been shared re Dutch Ancestry discovery. I have gone thru each one hoping to find someone connected to the SLOT - SLOAT family! Nary a mention. I'm crushed!! I'm seeking info on a Judith SLOAT 06 April 1764 NY. Think she must be part of the vast SLOT family but cannot find her connection. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ ~~~~~ Speak kind words/hear kind echoes ~~~~~

Very interesting, Marlene. My mother lives 3 miles Van Hornesville, New York, obviously settled by Van Hornes. I always assumed they were Dutch or Palatine--most settlers in the area (Herkimer County, in the Mohawk Valley, New York) were Palatine. It is fascinating that they may have been Danish. Barbara ----- Original Message ---- From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:20:11 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found out I was DANISH, not Dutch Literally, for centuries, my family has boasted about their Dutch ancestors. You can understand my consternation when I found the 1692 marriage record for my immigrant ancestor, Matthys Cornelissen, on Donna Rittenbatt's website, and he was discribed as "van Jutland". This is the only place where that discription of my ancestor appears, but his descendants took the surname Van Horne. It happens that on the northern tip of Jutland, there is a town and an administrative district named Horne. Unfortunately, as near as I have been able to determine, there are no records from this area for the period of time he might have lived there. Analysis of the haplogroup information fromm the yDNA of descendants of Matthys Cornelissen indicates he belonged to a specific clade---I1a-AS12. This is one of the Anglo Saxon types that with others makes up the majority of the male population of Denmark. Marleen Van Horne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I learned I had Dutch Ancestry when, in first grade, I had to write Linda Constance Van Deusen, over and over again. All my friends had great short names like Schwartz, Katz, Smith and Adams. It was then I went home and asked my parents just why I was spending so much time learning all letters of the alphabet. Since then it has been great discovering all the wonderful things about this great family, started in the Colonies, by Abraham Pieterszen in 1623 Dorothy Koenig <dkoenig@LMI.net> wrote: Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and my self-identity has been changed in the process! Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I have Dutch ancestry"? Dorothy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.

I wonder about my own tangled roots, and would be interested to hear others' thoughts on the subject. While I have a number of two- and three-line ancestors, my grandfather Cockefair (Coquefaire/Kokever/etc.) was descended along four lines from Thomas Fredericks (Cadmus), and along FIVE lines from each of: Hendrick Janszen Spier Teunis Jansen Pier (son of Jan Teunissen) Gerbrant/Garrabrant Claesen (son of Claes Van Schouw) Roelof Cornelisssen (Van Houten) Although not all my lines are perfectly proven, the vast majority are pretty well documented; I doubt errors have created a wrong picture. There are also unsolved lines that could show even more overlaps. If the concentration of my grandfather's genealogy is indeed rare, I suspect it is due to geography. His line of the Cockefair family lived for well over two centuries on a homestead at a remote edge of Dutch territory, just south of the "plain" of Stone House Plains (today, Bloomfield), NJ. To the south lay English neighborhoods; to the west was a ridge (today, Glen Ridge, NJ); and to the east was the Yantecaw (Third) River. Points north were Dutch. Early farms there were frequently a half mile or so apart, so I think marital opportunties were comparatively limited. To what extent are there other "concentrated" Dutch genealogies? Chris On 3/21/07, ETHELKK@aol.com < ETHELKK@aol.com> wrote: > I always knew I was Dutch. My maternal grandparents, the Van Wycks, > emigrated from Holland in 1864. I knew nothing of my > paternal grandparents. When > my daughter was expecting her first child, I knew I had to give my first > grandchild roots and I became hooked on genealogy. What a nice surprise > to find > I have 'New Dutch' and 'Old Dutch'. On my paternal old Dutch side, I > have > about 30 ancestors in New Amsterdam. The next surprise was finding I had > very > tangled roots and was descended from the same ancestor more than once. > > > My tangled roots. > *I am descended from three sons of Epke Jacobsen Banta, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David J Demarest, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two daughters of Lubbert Gysbertsen Van Blarcom, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from two sons of David Ackerman, the immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Louwe Bogert, the > immigrant. > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Joost DeBaun, the immigrant. > > *I am descended from a son and a daughter of Jan Tiebout, the immigrant. > *I am descended from two daughters of Simon DeRuine, the immigrant. > *Jannetje Jans married 1) Christiaen Barentsen Van Horn, the immigrant > and 2) Laurens Andriessen Van Buskirk, the immigrant, and I am descended > from a son from both of Jannetje's marriages. > > Ethel Kay Konight > > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

I must agree with Nancy. All of those of us with early ancestors are of necessity related over and over to ourselves. There were very few families, so of course they all intermarried. I have made a study of sorts--not scientific, but watching patterns, of when families moved out of their group in their marriages. The Palatines, for instance, married only other Palatines or Schnectady-Albany Dutch until about 1800 when they finally started speaking English and moved further afield--all the way to New York City! Barbara ----- Original Message ---- From: "nancyterhune@optonline.net" <nancyterhune@optonline.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:34:34 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Tangled Roots (was: How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry) Chris: I believe that the term is "pedigree collapse." Common ancestral lines repeating; thereby collapsing lines (including the literal ones on your chart) into one another leading back to the same ancestors. No, it is not unusual -- at least not as unusual as you might think. In fact it's logical: If your ancestors were among the first Europeans to settle a geographic area, such as your Essex County NJ people (also my people), they were initially of a small pool of families. These families married into each other by necessity, and sometimes repeatedly over the early generations. Continuing geographic proximity plus familiarity through marriage created more intermarriage. Cultural alignment prolonged intermarriage among the Dutch families in this (northern NJ) area, even as they decreased to a modest minority. My own parents, married in 1955, were lineal descendants of two of the oldest families in Bergen County, NJ: Terhune and Van Blarcom. I have often said that my ancestors -- three quarters of them ended up in Bergen and Essex Counties -- had "feet of cement." Nobody went west, or in any other direction. In the patrilineal sense, I am 11th generation Bergen County, and I have many multiple descents. My pedigree is highly collapsed, with six Terhune descents, three Van Blarcom descents, nine Ackerman descents, six Bogert descents, four Van Voorhees and Van Winkle descents - and several others like this - and the Grand Prize winner: ten descents from David Demarest. Because of this (Demarest) and other repeating common ancestry, a man I work with, a Demarest, and I are related dozens of times over. My parents were related many, many times over. Distantly! :-) I am my own cousin (over and over). I joke that it is amazing there isn't more that's wrong with me. --

Dear Debbie, My ancestor named Jacob Brower b. 1772 named one of his sons as LAWYER Brower b. 1805 NY. I had wondered why in the world he would pick that name? I did study the Lawyer family in Schoharie Co NY, to see if there was a Brower-Lawyer marriage, which would cause the name to be such. I did not find any Lawyer-Brower marriages. And I found that my Brower family did not live in Schoharie Co NY. I finally concluded that they must have had a friend who was named Lawyer, and they used the name in honor of that person. I remember that I subscribed to the Schoharie Co NY mailing list, and there was a researcher there who was very involved with the Lawyer name. As I recall, this was a GERMAN immigrant ancestor. My suggestion, to subscribe to the mailing list there and ask for help, or go to www.rootsweb.com family trees section, and find a posting, or several, of people named Lawyer in Schoharie Co NY, probably places like Cobleskill, and then email them and ask for some help or advice. I also found a large LAWYER family in early New Jersey. Since the Brower family was also big in early New Jersey, I had considered that might be the connection for me, but finally I found my Brower ancestry was in New York and not New Jersey, so I gave up on that idea. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Freeman" <freeames@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lawyer Families? > Hello, > > I sure could use some help or guidance. I have come across a puzzle. > > I am trying to locate the family (parents, siblings) of a Jacob Lawyer > (B about 1757 D 1821 in Ohio), or where he came from. > > I have a Jacob Lawyer mentioned in his father-in laws probate. > > Adam Kline born possibly in Germany, Died in Frederick Co., VA in 1799. > > There is also a John Adam Lawyer B about 1750-55 in PA who died in 1799 > in Frederick Co., VA. > > Now my puzzle. > > There seems to be a lot of Lawyers in Schoharie, Albany Co., NY and > Northcumberland Co., and Mixed Twp., York Co., PA. > > Has anyone come across any of the the Lawyer families? Does anyone see a > migration pattern? There is a possibility that the NY Lawyers were > Loyalist to the English Crown. > > Any Help would be appreciated. I am unsure where to go from here. > > Thank You, > Debbie Freeman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

When I was young, my mother had me memorize that I was: - French (Huguenot, which she knew--not bad for a farm girl) - "Holland Dutch" (and it turns out most other provinces, too, not to mention much of the rest of Europe, including "Belgium", "Denmark", Sweden, Finland, Austria, and more) - "Scotch" ("Scots" or "Scottish", if you please, or so I'm now told) - English (and, it turns out, Welsh and Irish) - "Indian" ("Native American", now that we Europeans have learned where we landed) - Spanish (supposedly a pirate/privateer in the mix, but no clear sign of him yet) - German (on my dad's side only, she thought, but it turns out she has Palatinate ancestors.) I had a heck of a time trying to explain even the 7-nationality version to my mostly pure-bred-Italian schoolmates. Today I'd e-mail them a 10-generation chart. Chris On 3/20/07, Dorothy Koenig <dkoenig@lmi.net> wrote: > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > have Dutch ancestry"? > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would also like to know what your Huguenot names are? Mine are Runyon & Corriell. They all lived in Someset County New Jersey. Thanks. Roberta Summers ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

My Mother always said her Snapp relatives had German traditions. she knew only that the Grgrgrandmother's name was Rachel. I began investigating genealogy because a son had Duchene's dystrophy and it is a genetic through the female lines. Stopped aabruptly with Rachel ?? Snapp. I put queries on the net and lo, a Heisler from the Dutch message boards answered. In the Van Voohees history was a Henry Snapp with first marriage Ida Hoagland. He was mine, I knew. There was also a letter in that info from a grandson of that first marriage, saying that his grandfather (Henry Snapp) married as second wife, a deGroff! A dutch connection. I still have not been able positively to say which Rachel deGroff she was , but that ancestor was definitely Dutch. Circumstantial evidence says she was dtr. of William Swartz deGroff. The Dutch message boards are the most informative on the net. alm > [Original Message] > From: Richard Kitchen <corvus13@hotmail.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/20/2007 1:55:48 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > > >Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > >have Dutch ancestry"? > > I always knew my grandfather's mother's maiden name was Wyckoff. I just > didn't know the history of it. During my research on her, I found out about > the Wyckoff House and Association, Pieter Claesz Wyckoff the founder of the > family name, and the Dutch (and Huguenot) connections through marriage. > > Rick Kitchen > > _________________________________________________________________ > It�s tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips > http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.a spx?icid=HMMartagline >

During the 1950s and 1960s, a man by the name of Royal Mabee, while traveling around the country on business, would look up people with the surnames Mabie, Mabee, Maybee etc. in phone books and then write them a letter, making contact to see if there was any genealogical interest. In 1963, one such letter found its way to my widowed grandmother in Philadelphia, and frankly, she thought it was a scam. Luckily, she passed it on to an uncle of mine who in turn shared the ensuing correspondence with me. Thirty some odd years later, with the advent of the internet, I was able to start doing my own research, in some cases proving what Royal had thought, and in other cases identifying corrections. Thanks largely to the LDS for microfilming church and probate records and making them available to non-members, my work has progressed far beyond my initial expectations. Note that I am not saying that the Mabie family is Dutch. Clearly, the name is not. And I have noticed that quite a few of the responses so far have not mentioned them as Dutch ancestors. But whether originally Scot (the current favorite since it is the home of the Mabie Forest), English, Norman (another favorite), French or German (an outside shot), the fact remains that our progenitor, Pieter Casparszen van Naerden, was born in North Holland and lived in New Amsterdam from at least 1647 through his death prior to 1665. So, perhaps Dutch through choice as opposed to blood. My personal Dutch ancestors are all from the Schenectady area: Borsboom (Pieter Jacobse), Vedder (Susanna) and Tol (Alida). Steve Mabie ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Marleen has corrected me that my Mothers maiden name, Van Horne, is not Dutch, but Danish. However, since Matthys Cornelissen son, Abraham married Anna Covenhoven (various other spellings) who is a descendant of Wolfert Gerretsen Van Couenhoven, I suppose I discovered my Dutch heritage. Lisa Marleen Van Horne wrote: > Literally, for centuries, my family has boasted about their Dutch ancestors. > > You can understand my consternation when I found the 1692 marriage > record for my immigrant ancestor, Matthys Cornelissen, on Donna > Rittenbatt's website, and he was discribed as "van Jutland". This is > the only place where that discription of my ancestor appears, but his > descendants took the surname Van Horne. It happens that on the northern > tip of Jutland, there is a town and an administrative district named > Horne. Unfortunately, as near as I have been able to determine, there > are no records from this area for the period of time he might have lived > there. > > Analysis of the haplogroup information fromm the yDNA of descendants of > Matthys Cornelissen indicates he belonged to a specific > clade---I1a-AS12. This is one of the Anglo Saxon types that with others > makes up the majority of the male population of Denmark. > > Marleen Van Horne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am sorry, but I missed the beginning of this thread. However, I will be happy to provide you with the names of the taxpayers with the surname of Griggs, who resided in the Half Moon and Ballstown Tax Districts of Albany County, NY between 1779 and 1789 should that information be of any use to you. Sincerely, Leslie Glen Mills, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: <EShampang@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > For Halfmoon, Saratoga County, NY located north of the Mohawk river & > Schenectady, try Google or the following publication: "Bits of Clifton > Park > History" by John Scherer. There are references in this book to early > Dutch, etc. > families: Van Vranken, Van Brockhoven, Arent Bradt, Jean La Liberte AKA > Jan > Fort, Visscher, Vedder and more. It gives a clear depiction of the lives > of the > first settlers. There is no index so I didn't find Griggs though there > might > be a reference. > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much. I had read about these names in several books for years but had no idea how they were connected. These maps exactly where each family was. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Early settlers on LI; Montfoorts > Hi Donna, > > From: "Donna Stark" <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Marretje Lamberts "uyt Nieuw Nederlandt" > >> Hi, Can you tell me what families were the four on Long Island? I know >> some >> of my Montfort families went to and owned part of LI. I just don't know >> which ones. > > You can see the Manatus map here: > http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/treasures/trm068.html > Even the enlarged version is hard to read for me. > >>From Stokes' Iconography vol 2, pp201-3, the families I was referring to >>are: > #36 "wolfert Geritsz" = Wolfert Gerritsz van Couwenhoven; had Indian > deed in 1636. > #37 "Gegoergesyn" = Joris Rapalje; Indian deed in 1637 > #38 ditto > #39 "Claes norman" = Claes Carstensen, the Norman > #40 "Dieryck de Norman" = Dirck Volckertsen aka the Norman. Leased > bouwery in 1639 > > As to the Monfoorts, from New York Historical Mss.:Dutch; Land Papers -- > p. 12 in 1641 Jan Montfoort was given a patent by Kieft for a parcel of > land next to Renegakonck. (Ie. next to land of Joris Rapalje; see p. 7) > p. 12 in 1641 Pieter Montfoort was granted land next to that of Jan > Montfoort. > > For their location, see: > http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/ED.Plantation.html > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Leslie, Although I did not make the original post on the Griggses of Half Moon, I would very much like to see a list of �the names of the taxpayers with the surname of Griggs, who resided in the Half Moon and Ballstown Tax Districts of Albany County, NY between 1779 and 1789.� Many thanks for your trouble, Frank On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:14:02 -0400 "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> writes: > I am sorry, but I missed the beginning of this thread. However, I > will be > happy to provide you with the names of the taxpayers with the > surname of > Griggs, who resided in the Half Moon and Ballstown Tax Districts of > Albany > County, NY between 1779 and 1789 should that information be of any > use to > you. > > Sincerely, > > Leslie > Glen Mills, PA >

Yo Listers. What a nice idea Dorothy. I married a Dutchman and knew it, but would never have become involved in genealogy but for one of our oldest and most treasured friends, Charles Schulz, creator of the comic strip Peanuts. He and my husband, Philip Jansen Van Pelt were in the same infantry regiment during WWII. My Fritz was the company bugler and Sparky made Sergeant. We found him and his wife living in Colorado Springs soon after we married and moved here ourselves (1950). One Betty Doran, our first-found cousin and an early Van Pelt researcher ( the legal pad and No. 2 pencil brigade yet), in San Francisco wrote to "Sparky" in 1989 asking how he happened to use the name Van Pelt in his comic strip. Sparky forwarded the letter to us and we exchanged all the information we had with Betty and I was hooked. As far as I know the only material regarding The Reverend Peter and his brother Rev. Benjamin Van Pelt, ever, was gathered by Betty Doran and shared with me. Both Reverends Benjamin, were known friends of and visited by Francis Asbury when Peter preached in New York - in a little eight-sided log church. They migrated to Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee. Betty has a computer but refuses to use it and the last time she wrote me it was still on legal pad with a No. 2 pencil. She is even more elderly than we and I hope still with us. We also found that my father in law had left quite a lot of Van Pelt lore when he died. The most exciting was a batch of letters home from Cyrus Van Pelt during the Civil War. About Cyrus's letters: This small collection tells a heartbreaking story of a 43 year old man whose health was probably never robust, but one could only avoid conscription if one had the wherewithal to pay for a replacement. He served in the 51st Ohio Regiment; was wounded and later died of pneumonia in the Army Hospital in Nashville Tennessee. Cyrus tried to sound cheerful at first and gradually became more and more distressed as he struggled with the hardships of soldiering. The second to last letter was written by some hospital worker because he couldn't write and the last was the notice from the Chaplain. He left a young Mary Fuller Van Pelt with five small children. She tried to run the farm, but succombed herself soon after Cyrus. The children were scattered but managed to keep in touch but for one - we know nothing of William. When my kids insisted I must join the new century, I found the computer a very fine way to pursue our genealogy. From then on I've been helped beyond measure by all the great listers at Dutch Colonies, and you particularly Dortje Koenig. Lou Van Pelt in Colorado