Van Dyke is a very common name, especially in this area of New Jersey back then. Ed -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.J.Richards Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:52 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished I'd be interested in any and all details about this Van Dyke home. My 8th-grandmother, Anne van Dyke, born 1741 (apparently in Amwell) might be connected. I only know the name of her father, Frans van Dyke. My NJ geography is lousy, I admit, but is this the same family? Thanks! Jeff Richards -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 16:59 To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are still intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young black girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the 1690's. Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn and a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately announced a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. of 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was approved. The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked this land. In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might account for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, says that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers Archives, he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived o the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill Klimowicz, Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is interested. One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the house. The main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over the kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, not necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. Judy Cassidy This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as a trap door leading to the kitchen. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This Rachel Cresson appears to be about12 years older, butI thought she might be connected somehow. I am connected to both Demarest and Van Derlinde families, as collateral lines. Roelf's sister Hendrickje married L Van Buskirk, their son Benjamin married Susannah Demarest, niece of David. hope it is helpful JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com Descendants of Rachel Cresson Generation No. 1 1. RACHEL1 CRESSON was born 1656. She married (1) JAN DUREE. She married (2) ROELOF VAN DERLINDE April 25, 1702 in Hackinsack, N.J., son of JOOST VANDERLINDE and FEYTJE VAN GELDER. He died February 1709/10. She married (3) DAVUD DESMAREST 1675, son of DAVID DESMAREST and MARIA SOHIER. He was born 1651, and died 1691. Notes for RACHEL CRESSON: she m1 david desmarest, m2 jan durie Rachel Cresson m1 David Desmarest; 2 Jan Durie; 3 Roelf Van Derlinde Child of RACHEL CRESSON and JAN DUREE is: 2. i. PETER2 DURIE. Children of RACHEL CRESSON and DAVUD DESMAREST are: 3. ii. DAVID2 DESMAREST. iii. PETER DESMAREST. 4. iv. SUSANNA DESMAREST. v. RACHEL DESMAREST, m. ANDRIESVAN ORDEN. vi. JACOBUS DESMAREST, m. (1) LEA DE GROOT; m. (2) MARGRIETJE HENRY. vii. DANIEL DESMAREST. viii. SAMUEL DESMAREST. ix. MARY DESMAREST, m. WIERT BANTA. x. KYDIA DESMAREST. xi. BENJAMIN DESMAREST. Generation No. 2 2. PETER2 DURIE (RACHEL1 CRESSON) He married JUDITH DESMAREST, daughter of SAMUEL DESMAREST and MARIA DERUINE. She was born 1690. Children of PETER DURIE and JUDITH DESMAREST are: i. JOHN3 DURIE, m. (1) SARAH ROMEIN; m. (2) JANNETJE PECK. ii. MARIA DURIE, m. JACOB LOZIER. iii. JANNETJE DURIE, m. REINER WORSTEN. iv. SAMUEL DURIE, m. WYNTJE BANTA, August 05, 1744. v. SARAH DURIE. vi. DANIEL DURIE, m. VROUTJE VAN DEIN. vii. PETRUS DURIE. viii. MARGRIETJE DURIE, m. DAVID S DESMAREST; b. March 24, 1727/28. 3. DAVID2 DESMAREST (RACHEL1 CRESSON) He married SARAH BERTLOFF. Child of DAVID DESMAREST and SARAH BERTLOFF is: i. JACOBUS3 DESMAREST, m. MARGRIETJEDE GROOT; b. 1702. 4. SUSANNA2 DESMAREST (RACHEL1 CRESSON) She married PIETER WESTERVELDT, son of LUBBERT WESTERVELDT and HILLETJE POULOUSE. Children of SUSANNA DESMAREST and PIETER WESTERVELDT are: i. LEA3 WESTERVELDT, m. LAURENS VAN BUSKIRK, September 26, 1739; b. September 17, 1718. ii. ELENA WESTERVELDT, m. CLAES CUYPHER. iii. DAVID WESTERVELDT. iv. JOHANNES WESTERVELDT. v. RACHEL WESTERVELDT, m. ABRAHAM COOL. vi. ELIZABETH WESTERVELDT, m. JUME HOFFMAN. ----- Original Message ----- From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: "Dutch Colonies" <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:32 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Letelier, Tilje; Garrison > What became of Rachel, daughter of Jean Letelier / Tilje and Christina > Pieters Cresson, who was baptized on 11 April 1668 - New York Dutch > Reform Church? > > Did Rachel's mother Christina marry (2) to Jacob Gerrits de Haes, and > have two or more sons with him? If so, Rachel would have been about > ten years old when their son Jacob was born. > > Looks as if Jacob Garretson (de Haes) moved at some point to Cohansey, > along the Delaware in Salem County NJ. Rachel does not seem to be > mentioned, which is not such a surprise since Rachel was not Jacob's > child. But what became of her?? > > Will & > 1705 Sept. 4. Garrison, Jacob, of Cohansy, Salem Co.; will of. Wife > Christiana, son Abraham, granson Isaac, son of son Isaac Garrison, lately > deceased, and his wife Lidian. Real and personal property. The wife > executrix. Witnesses William Dare junior, Petter Garrison and Samuel > Alexander. > 1708 June 9. Codicil, stating that as testator has sold to John > Garrison some land, bequeathed to son Abraham, he gives him another lot. > Proved September 19, 1709. Lib. 1, p. 244. > 1709 April 30. Inventory of the personal estate (111.19.10, incl. > one negro 40); made by Benjamin Seelie and James Paget. Salem Wills > > Does someone have a marriage record, or death date for Rachel > Letellier / Tilley? > > Thanks very much, > Liz J > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/732 - Release Date: 3/24/2007 4:36 PM >

I think I remember an article in Dorothy's "New Netherland Connections" concerning Maria Badie and her parents. I will have to go through my back issues and try to find it. I show she was married 3 times: (1) Jacob Verdon (2) Willem Adrianse Bennett (3) Paulus Van der Beek. I have her death as aft 1694 with the notation of: 28 Feb 1693/4 deeded land to Anna Huyken. She signed the document with her mark so she was still alive at this time. I was sloppy and did not put in my database my source for her death nor her birth. Lisa protzy41@optonline.net wrote: > Lisa, > > I have an undocumented note that Maria was b. Netherlands, and her father was b. France and died in the netherlands in 1610, just 2 years after her birth. > > Bob Protzmann > > > > > >

To all, This is typical of the short sightedness of New Jersey government local or state. If there is no profit in it for them they will do nothing. Swaths of historical buildings are demolished all the time. I blame the local town of South Brunswick and it planning board. But then agin the people on these boards generally have little education in history. The schools do not teach much of it anymore in lieu of alternative history and multicultural history while our history is going away. Ed -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:59 AM To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick, N.J. to be Demolished The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are still intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young black girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the 1690's. Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn and a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately announced a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. of 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was approved. The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked this land. In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might account for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, says that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers Archives, he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived o the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill Klimowicz, Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is interested. One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the house. The main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over the kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, not necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. Judy Cassidy This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as a trap door leading to the kitchen. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's the url to the NYT article on the old New Jersey house: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/nyregion/25slave.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Edie in Maine

The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are still intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young black girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the 1690's. Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn and a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately announced a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. of 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was approved. The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked this land. In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might account for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, says that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers Archives, he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived o the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill Klimowicz, Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is interested. One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the house. The main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over the kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, not necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. Judy Cassidy This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as a trap door leading to the kitchen. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

What became of Rachel, daughter of Jean Letelier / Tilje and Christina Pieters Cresson, who was baptized on 11 April 1668 - New York Dutch Reform Church? Did Rachel's mother Christina marry (2) to Jacob Gerrits de Haes, and have two or more sons with him? If so, Rachel would have been about ten years old when their son Jacob was born. Looks as if Jacob Garretson (de Haes) moved at some point to Cohansey, along the Delaware in Salem County NJ. Rachel does not seem to be mentioned, which is not such a surprise since Rachel was not Jacob's child. But what became of her?? Will & 1705 Sept. 4. Garrison, Jacob, of Cohansy, Salem Co.; will of. Wife Christiana, son Abraham, granson Isaac, son of son Isaac Garrison, lately deceased, and his wife Lidian. Real and personal property. The wife executrix. Witnesses William Dare junior, Petter Garrison and Samuel Alexander. 1708 June 9. Codicil, stating that as testator has sold to John Garrison some land, bequeathed to son Abraham, he gives him another lot. Proved September 19, 1709. Lib. 1, p. 244. 1709 April 30. Inventory of the personal estate (111.19.10, incl. one negro 40); made by Benjamin Seelie and James Paget. Salem Wills Does someone have a marriage record, or death date for Rachel Letellier / Tilley? Thanks very much, Liz J

I certainly hope that the Van Dyke House and its surrounding property can be preserved as part of our Americana. Our children and future generations need to know of the accomplishments, struggles and trials our ancestors endured and achieved to make this promised land, America, what it is and what it has to offer. Daryl L. Van Dyke

The searchable files of the Brooklyn Eagle, from 1841 to 1902, are available, for free, at http://www.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/eagle/index.htm Hugh MacDougall, Cooperstown, NY

Leslie, I saw your response to the lister on GRIGGS, and wonder if it would be possible, if you still have the records available, to look for the SAVAGE surname on the taxpayers list for Ballston Spa. I have an ancestor, Hiel SAVAGE, who was in the 1790 Census in Ballston Spa. He was married in 1782, possibly in Ballston, and had 2 children by 1790. Hiel's grandson, William Corey SAVAGE married Juliet VAN SISE, in Brooklyn, my Dutch connection which I found a number of years ago. Growing up in Brooklyn I was always fascinated by the Dutch beginnings. I remember the series of booklets published by the Brooklyn Eagle on Breuklen(sp). Sure wish I had those today. So, finding my own connection to the Dutch heritage was a pleasant surprise. My three immigrant grandparents were from England, Ireland and Scotland, but it was my Brooklyn born grandmother whose ancestry goes back to New Netherland in 1654 and CT in 1650. Really neat! Sincerely, Barbara McC ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Andries is not the usual German form of the name "Andreas", and the family name "Emans" doesn't look very German either. -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Irv Emmons Sent: Samstag, 24. März 2007 22:20 To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry My father always said we were from German descent and that is what I based all of my initial research. Accounts, after my research, were that my Andries Emans came from England (unknown date) and entered Holland to get away from religious persecution. He was in Holland for 40 years before arriving in America. He left Leyden, Holland May 9, 1661 on the ship St. Jean Baptist; settled in Gravesend, Long Island Aug. 21, 1661. Name was Andries Imans on the passenger list. I have not been able to find his wife's name but it appears she was of Dutch descent. Still doing my research but I am sure that my background is Dutch and not German. My records have obvious errors and I am trying to identify the source documents and work through the obvious disconnects. Irv Emmons Salem, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Koenig" <dkoenig@LMI.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > have Dutch ancestry"? > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lisa, I have an undocumented note that Maria was b. Netherlands, and her father was b. France and died in the netherlands in 1610, just 2 years after her birth. Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:55 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Maria Badie To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Was Maria BADIE b. ca 1608, wife of Jacob VERDON, born in the > Netherlands? > Lisa > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Problem with corrupted mail in my mailbox led to loss of some messages. If anyone applied to me, please resend. alm > [Original Message] > From: ed/lindaroorda <elr1074@clarityconnect.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/24/2007 5:50:48 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Qualities & Traits of the Dutch > > I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments on qualities and traits of our > Dutch heritage, and how they learned of their Dutch ancestry. > ...sharing that at first I only knew of Dutch ancestry through my dad's > parents who immigrated in the early 1920s until I began researching my mom's > 1710 Palatine ancestry and discovered a treasure of Dutch ancestry whose > lines married into the German/Swiss Palatine lines, with the Dutch lines > going back thru the early 1600s settlers in New Amsterdam. > On my more recent Americanized Dutch grandparents - some generalities > are definitely true - they were a hard-working and thrifty folk who quietly > worked and saved their way up to a comfortable wealth like others after > losing everything in the depression, again like other Americans. They > assimilated well into the new culture, though my grandparents' parents were > austere and stern folk, perhaps from all they'd already been through in life > unless that is more of their Dutch heritage. They were proud to be > American, but never lost site of being Dutch. Their families were "well > off" in the Netherlands, but came for a better life after the effects of > WWI. In each family, the father and oldest son came to work here, saved > their money, and brought the rest of the family over a few years later. > They settled in Dutch enclaves in Michigan at first and later in > northeastern New Jersey. They were a respectful people of others and ways > not their own. My grandfather's younger brothers fought with fellow > Americans in WWII. > On arriving here at 16, my grandmother was placed with first graders to > learn English and made to sit at their small desks, and was so humiliated > she quit school to go to work as a "nanny" for a physician, and later a > seamstress. She never finished school, nor did she ever learn to drive. It > was the custom for mothers to secure jobs for their daughters, and fathers > got jobs for their sons or worked in the family business - which took place > in my grandparents' lives but not in their children's lives. My grandparents > followed the Dutch naming pattern with their own children, but not at all > among us grandchildren. I was told one did NOT marry outside your > provincial peoples in Nederlands - which attitude carried over in America > with my grandmother's mother (a family from Brabant and Rotterdam) being > rather upset at first that my grandmother's choice of a beau in Michigan > came from Uithuizermeeden, Groningen of all places! But ruffled feathers > soon settled down. It is believed my grandmother's family, Vos, have French > blood in their veins; however, that was vehemently denied by my dear > grandmother; it was horrifying to her that she may have French blood as the > French from Napolean and before were not held in high repute. Yet, they > held very few intolerances of other people or nationalities around them. > Their days were punctuated by set schedules - tea/coffee breaks were > important. Every day of the week held certain tasks, every week, for all the > years they were alive. You knew she did laundry on Monday, ironing on > Tuesday, baking on Friday, cleaning on Saturday. > Their Dutch Reformed Church was an important aspect of life. They read > from a Dutch Bible (and received magazines in Dutch), but also had an > English Bible to read to their children and grandchildren. Dutch holidays > were sort of celebrated yet when I was a child, i.e. Christmas was > different - Christmas Day was spent at morning church service, never ever > for opening gifts; that we did the week before. We grandchildren eventually > changed that. Yet, we also celebrated American holidays with a party or > picnic. Dutch foods were routinely made, though not as much by the next two > generations. Though they did not return to Holland in later life as did one > of their sons and their daughter, their house was obviously Dutch in decor - > Blauw Delft and other items of genuine Dutch make were collected and > displayed. They spoke Dutch on occasion to avoid their children or > grandchildren knowing what the conversation was about, but I never took the > time to learn the language or many of the songs from my grandmother, though > I recall some words and did learn to count in Dutch. > My husband's paternal grandparents immigrated from Holland also in the > 1920s, while his mother's Dutch families came to New Jersey in the 1800s - > they seemed to follow more Dutch traditions than did our families who came > over in the 1920s. > The Stubborn Dutchman epithet is accurate - a nickname I earned in > school, again among many Dutch classmates. > Thanks for allowing me to share -- Linda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ALarue3325@aol.com> > To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:09 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Qualities & Traits of the Dutch > > > > Sorry...my email was sent before I finished it. > > > > My granddaughter has a school paper to do...she can use some help! > > > > The assignment is... > > > > Discuss in the paper the information gathered detailing the > > characteristics > > of your particular ethnic background which conform you or do not conform > > to > > the commonly held ideas. This should be as personal as possible to enable > > the > > paper to be revealing. (5-6 pages) > > > > Everyone is a consequence of their ancestral origins. Genetically, and > > through association, you have become reflections of them. The discovery of > > these > > origins enables you to identify ethnic groups that have influenced your > > development. An understanding of these ethnicities become valuable tools > > for self- > > realization. Family values, attitudes concerning life and even the > > celebration of holidays can be associated with your familial beginnings. > > > > She is going to compare and contrast them with what qualities, values, and > > traditions we have. > > > > I am assuming we are part Dutch...I am a direct descendant from Cornelius > > Melyn and John Winans. > > > > > > This is all I could find on the net about Dutch qualities. > > > > The Dutch are seen as sensible, hard-working, and thrifty. > > hey are very direct. Depending on your point of view, this is rude, > > tactless > > or refreshing. > > Dutch people spend less, and when they do spend it is on more practical > > items than extravagant decorations and status symbols. When given a > > chance to > > practically economize, they will. > > > > Alice La Rue > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > > everyone. > > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My father always said we were from German descent and that is what I based all of my initial research. Accounts, after my research, were that my Andries Emans came from England (unknown date) and entered Holland to get away from religious persecution. He was in Holland for 40 years before arriving in America. He left Leyden, Holland May 9, 1661 on the ship St. Jean Baptist; settled in Gravesend, Long Island Aug. 21, 1661. Name was Andries Imans on the passenger list. I have not been able to find his wife's name but it appears she was of Dutch descent. Still doing my research but I am sure that my background is Dutch and not German. My records have obvious errors and I am trying to identify the source documents and work through the obvious disconnects. Irv Emmons Salem, OR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Koenig" <dkoenig@LMI.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > Dear Listers, I am guessing that all regular discussants on this > List fall into one of two categories -- 1) Those who have always > known that they are descended from Dutch colonial ancestors and 2) > Those who stumbled upon Dutch colonial ancestors in the course of > their genealogical research. My "gateway" ancestor to a Dutch > heritage is my great grandmother, Sarah Elizabeth Hagerman > (1847-1922) who was born and died in Kentucky. My mother and her > siblings always spoke of her as their "German grandmother". It > wasn't until the early 1990s that I discovered that Sarah's father > had the mighty strange name "Teunis" (spelling "Toonis" on the > handwritten marriage permission given by his future mother-in-law). > I had the good fortune to meet a "net cousin" named Anita Silvey who > is descended from Teunis Hagerman's uncle who had moved from Loudon > County, VA, to Ohio. The paper trail led us from KY and OH back to > VA, then to NJ, and finally to the immigrants Adriaen Hegeman and his > wife, Katherine Margits, who arrived in 1652 in New Amsterdam from > Amsterdam. To date I have identified 60 direct Dutch ancestors, and > my self-identity has been changed in the process! > > Does anyone else care to share their story about "How I found out I > have Dutch ancestry"? > > Dorothy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lisa, According to www.familysearch.org Mary Baddie was born about 1608 in Utrecht, Netherlands. This would be from their Pedigree Chart section. William Henry Roll has her birth at 1605. I am not this far in my own research to be able to give you a firm opinion, I am only as far back as Magdelena Verdon, her daughter. Given the fact that Thomas Baddie was the Treasurer of the Dutch West Indies Company, this tells me his kids "should' be born in Netherlands, unless he was working at some other location, and then they could be born anywhere. Mary Baddie's mother was Alten Braconie, according to the LDS website, both Thomas Baddie and his wife were born in Netherlands. That is as much help as I have personally to give, this generation is a bit further back in time that I have had time to personally work on. I have been glad just to find my immigrant ancestors. I will need more time to push further back. But I am sure there are other researchers on this list who have more information than me and can offer their opinions as well. Best regards, Lilly Martin, researching all the descendants of Adam Brouwer b. 1620, m. Magdalena Verdon, d/o Jacob. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <lisarps@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Maria Badie > Was Maria BADIE b. ca 1608, wife of Jacob VERDON, born in the Netherlands? > > Lisa > > >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So far I am not sure I have found birth records for Joris Jacobszen whose family assumed the surname Bouwman or Bowman after the British takeover. There is a Jurian Jacobszen baptism in Amsterdam that kind of fits. Would it be likely that someone known as Jurian in the Netherlands would have been known and Joris in the New World? Could Joris have been a Dutch version of a Frisan name Jurian? In various early records Joris is listed a Joris Jacobszen or Jakobszen and often after the British takeover simply George Jacobs. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hello Ethel Yes, I do have a copy of Matriarch of New Amsterdam and would be glad to send you the pages you need. I've been meaning to be in touch with you anyway as we share a number of the same lines and questions. Let me know where to send it. I'm sorry I don't have a fax. Carol Spurbeck ----- Original Message ----- From: ETHELKK@aol.com<mailto:ETHELKK@aol.com> To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier),Matriarch of New Amsterdam Adrienne Cuvilje married Ghislain Vigne and had eight children. They had four surviving children. Daughter Maria, married first Jan Roos and second about 1634, Abram Isaaczen VerPlanck. [my line]. Daughter Christina, married Dirck Volkertszen. Daughter Rachel, married Cornelis Van Tienhoven. Son Jan, married first Emmerentia Gosens Van Nieuwensluys and second Weiske Huytes. 1624. Emigration to New Amsterdam. Ghislain Vigne and wife Adrienne Cuvilje and their children Maria, Christina and Rachel were on either De Eendracht or Niew Nederland, as their son Jan would be the first male child born in the new colony. 375th Anniversary of the Eendracht and Nieuw Nederland by Harry Macy Jr. F.A.S.G., F.G.B.S. [Originally published in The NYG&B Newsletter, Winter 1999] Does anyone have a copy of: "Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier), Matriarch of New Amsterdam” by Herbert F Seversmith, National Genealogical Society Quarterly vol.35 (1947), pp.65-69. I need copies of pp. 65-69. Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adrienne Cuvilje married Ghislain Vigne and had eight children. They had four surviving children. Daughter Maria, married first Jan Roos and second about 1634, Abram Isaaczen VerPlanck. [my line]. Daughter Christina, married Dirck Volkertszen. Daughter Rachel, married Cornelis Van Tienhoven. Son Jan, married first Emmerentia Gosens Van Nieuwensluys and second Weiske Huytes. 1624. Emigration to New Amsterdam. Ghislain Vigne and wife Adrienne Cuvilje and their children Maria, Christina and Rachel were on either De Eendracht or Niew Nederland, as their son Jan would be the first male child born in the new colony. 375th Anniversary of the Eendracht and Nieuw Nederland by Harry Macy Jr. F.A.S.G., F.G.B.S. [Originally published in The NYG&B Newsletter, Winter 1999] Does anyone have a copy of: "Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier), Matriarch of New Amsterdam” by Herbert F Seversmith, National Genealogical Society Quarterly vol.35 (1947), pp.65-69. I need copies of pp. 65-69. Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Actually, it was not "later" when the southern route was recognized. The Jamestown settlers used that route, http://www.virtualjamestown.org/pic10a.html BEFORE the Mayflower voyage. The lesson learned by many US school children is that the Mayflower landing was the earliest landing of settlers and establishment of a settlement in America, which of course is wrong. Events of this year - the 400th anniversary of the landing at Jamestown - may help expose this classic historical error. The story of why that myth was established, and why it has been so persistent, would be interesting in itself. But of course it wasn't a Dutch Colony so may not be a suitable topic for this board. Peter Van Dyke Wilde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@suscom-maine.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 17th Century Ships & the Voyage to America > Quoting: I suppose going directly west from England in the fall was a bad > idea. Look at the Plymouth Pilgrims and their horrid voyage across, which > was the > subject on a recent TV show. > - - - - > > Going west from England to America was a bad idea in any season; it meant > they were bucking the Gulf Stream almost the whole way. Later, when more > about the winds and currents was understood, it became routine for sailing > vessels to drop down as far as the Azores, perhaps ("until the butter > melts," as one sailor put it) and then hang a right. They could then pick up > the trade winds, which blow almost due west. They seldom went any other way. > > A much easier route than the North Atlantic one, possibly taking a shorter > amount of time even though longer in distance, and certainly much warmer. > > Edie in Maine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've enjoyed reading everyone's comments on qualities and traits of our Dutch heritage, and how they learned of their Dutch ancestry. ...sharing that at first I only knew of Dutch ancestry through my dad's parents who immigrated in the early 1920s until I began researching my mom's 1710 Palatine ancestry and discovered a treasure of Dutch ancestry whose lines married into the German/Swiss Palatine lines, with the Dutch lines going back thru the early 1600s settlers in New Amsterdam. On my more recent Americanized Dutch grandparents - some generalities are definitely true - they were a hard-working and thrifty folk who quietly worked and saved their way up to a comfortable wealth like others after losing everything in the depression, again like other Americans. They assimilated well into the new culture, though my grandparents' parents were austere and stern folk, perhaps from all they'd already been through in life unless that is more of their Dutch heritage. They were proud to be American, but never lost site of being Dutch. Their families were "well off" in the Netherlands, but came for a better life after the effects of WWI. In each family, the father and oldest son came to work here, saved their money, and brought the rest of the family over a few years later. They settled in Dutch enclaves in Michigan at first and later in northeastern New Jersey. They were a respectful people of others and ways not their own. My grandfather's younger brothers fought with fellow Americans in WWII. On arriving here at 16, my grandmother was placed with first graders to learn English and made to sit at their small desks, and was so humiliated she quit school to go to work as a "nanny" for a physician, and later a seamstress. She never finished school, nor did she ever learn to drive. It was the custom for mothers to secure jobs for their daughters, and fathers got jobs for their sons or worked in the family business - which took place in my grandparents' lives but not in their children's lives. My grandparents followed the Dutch naming pattern with their own children, but not at all among us grandchildren. I was told one did NOT marry outside your provincial peoples in Nederlands - which attitude carried over in America with my grandmother's mother (a family from Brabant and Rotterdam) being rather upset at first that my grandmother's choice of a beau in Michigan came from Uithuizermeeden, Groningen of all places! But ruffled feathers soon settled down. It is believed my grandmother's family, Vos, have French blood in their veins; however, that was vehemently denied by my dear grandmother; it was horrifying to her that she may have French blood as the French from Napolean and before were not held in high repute. Yet, they held very few intolerances of other people or nationalities around them. Their days were punctuated by set schedules - tea/coffee breaks were important. Every day of the week held certain tasks, every week, for all the years they were alive. You knew she did laundry on Monday, ironing on Tuesday, baking on Friday, cleaning on Saturday. Their Dutch Reformed Church was an important aspect of life. They read from a Dutch Bible (and received magazines in Dutch), but also had an English Bible to read to their children and grandchildren. Dutch holidays were sort of celebrated yet when I was a child, i.e. Christmas was different - Christmas Day was spent at morning church service, never ever for opening gifts; that we did the week before. We grandchildren eventually changed that. Yet, we also celebrated American holidays with a party or picnic. Dutch foods were routinely made, though not as much by the next two generations. Though they did not return to Holland in later life as did one of their sons and their daughter, their house was obviously Dutch in decor - Blauw Delft and other items of genuine Dutch make were collected and displayed. They spoke Dutch on occasion to avoid their children or grandchildren knowing what the conversation was about, but I never took the time to learn the language or many of the songs from my grandmother, though I recall some words and did learn to count in Dutch. My husband's paternal grandparents immigrated from Holland also in the 1920s, while his mother's Dutch families came to New Jersey in the 1800s - they seemed to follow more Dutch traditions than did our families who came over in the 1920s. The Stubborn Dutchman epithet is accurate - a nickname I earned in school, again among many Dutch classmates. Thanks for allowing me to share -- Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALarue3325@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Qualities & Traits of the Dutch > Sorry...my email was sent before I finished it. > > My granddaughter has a school paper to do...she can use some help! > > The assignment is... > > Discuss in the paper the information gathered detailing the > characteristics > of your particular ethnic background which conform you or do not conform > to > the commonly held ideas. This should be as personal as possible to enable > the > paper to be revealing. (5-6 pages) > > Everyone is a consequence of their ancestral origins. Genetically, and > through association, you have become reflections of them. The discovery of > these > origins enables you to identify ethnic groups that have influenced your > development. An understanding of these ethnicities become valuable tools > for self- > realization. Family values, attitudes concerning life and even the > celebration of holidays can be associated with your familial beginnings. > > She is going to compare and contrast them with what qualities, values, and > traditions we have. > > I am assuming we are part Dutch...I am a direct descendant from Cornelius > Melyn and John Winans. > > > This is all I could find on the net about Dutch qualities. > > The Dutch are seen as sensible, hard-working, and thrifty. > hey are very direct. Depending on your point of view, this is rude, > tactless > or refreshing. > Dutch people spend less, and when they do spend it is on more practical > items than extravagant decorations and status symbols. When given a > chance to > practically economize, they will. > > Alice La Rue > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >