There are Rapalje families. Somehow my famailies tie into them. I just have not worked on them back that far. If I find anyhting I will send it to you. Have you tried Ancestry.com? Sometimes I get info just by putting the name in google. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <DDCorps25@aol.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I discovered I have Dutch ancestry > Aren't there any RAPALJE, BERGE > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Where are the RAPALJE, BERGEN, and MIDDAG families? Regards. Art ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

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To all, Clearly the poster is correct here. The house is private property. However, I live in New Jersey and there is nothing more sickening than the zeal planning boards have in granting permits to builders to pave over all the little land left in New Jersey. However, much these boards have to weight economic benefits this choice is a no-brainer. Is this township really going to gain that much more in tax receipts? Is it really going to make or break a fairly tax rich town? The fact is many of these politicians and planning boards are bought off and corrupt taking bribes. Every few months you read in the newspapers how many get caught taking illegal money from builders. That is what is driving the engine of construction. The fact is these boards do not have to grant permits at all. New Jersey is a mess. I get a hard time trying to put up a flagpole or cut down a tree on MY property and yet builders can come in and swath up forests all in the name of progress. Yes, there could be a compromise and maybe now with all the publicity it is possible. Ed In a message dated 3/25/2007 6:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: While some local politicians and administrators really don't care, it's also fair to say that, as fiduciaries for their towns, they have to weigh the relatively clear (economic) benefits of redevelopment to the less tangible benefits of historic preservation. In this case, though, with such a large piece of land and a clearly historic property, I'm surprised a compromise hasn't been reached. An example of such compromise is the "Van Riper House" (aka the Bradbury-Van Riper House): http://www.oldnutley.org/vanriper.html. 50+-years ago, ITT carved out the acre or so on which the historic building sits and gave it to the town, which later contributed it to a non-profit. Thus the land, which had high market value, was put to use economically, and the house, which had concentrated historic value, was saved. As a footnote, the non-profit has struggled over the years to raise the funds necessary to meaningfully restore the house. If I recall correctly, a similar thing happened in Fairfield, NJ with the I do not know what to tell you, but the more you publicize the problem, the more likely that an historic homestead will suddenly be burned down one quiet night. That has been our experience in Westchester County, NY. Whoever owns the houses, owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. Try and buy the house. Best wishes, Kris Liddle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have the number of messages on this message board significantly decreased in the past week? Problems with computer and not sure if I am getting them all. alm > [Original Message] > From: <KVLiddle@aol.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/27/2007 4:35:29 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished > > > In a message dated 3/25/2007 6:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: > > While some local politicians and administrators really don't care, it's also > fair to say that, as fiduciaries for their towns, they have to weigh the > relatively clear (economic) benefits of redevelopment to the less tangible > benefits of historic preservation. > > In this case, though, with such a large piece of land and a clearly historic > property, I'm surprised a compromise hasn't been reached. An example of such > compromise is the "Van Riper House" (aka the Bradbury-Van Riper House): > http://www.oldnutley.org/vanriper.html. 50+-years ago, ITT carved out the > acre or so on which the historic building sits and gave it to the town, > which later contributed it to a non-profit. Thus the land, which had high > market value, was put to use economically, and the house, which had > concentrated historic value, was saved. As a footnote, the non-profit has > struggled over the years to raise the funds necessary to meaningfully > restore the house. > > If I recall correctly, a similar thing happened in Fairfield, NJ with the > > > > I do not know what to tell you, but the more you publicize the problem, the > more likely that an historic homestead will suddenly be burned down one quiet > night. That has been our experience in Westchester County, NY. Whoever > owns the houses, owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. Try and buy > the house. Best wishes, Kris Liddle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 3/25/2007 6:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: While some local politicians and administrators really don't care, it's also fair to say that, as fiduciaries for their towns, they have to weigh the relatively clear (economic) benefits of redevelopment to the less tangible benefits of historic preservation. In this case, though, with such a large piece of land and a clearly historic property, I'm surprised a compromise hasn't been reached. An example of such compromise is the "Van Riper House" (aka the Bradbury-Van Riper House): http://www.oldnutley.org/vanriper.html. 50+-years ago, ITT carved out the acre or so on which the historic building sits and gave it to the town, which later contributed it to a non-profit. Thus the land, which had high market value, was put to use economically, and the house, which had concentrated historic value, was saved. As a footnote, the non-profit has struggled over the years to raise the funds necessary to meaningfully restore the house. If I recall correctly, a similar thing happened in Fairfield, NJ with the I do not know what to tell you, but the more you publicize the problem, the more likely that an historic homestead will suddenly be burned down one quiet night. That has been our experience in Westchester County, NY. Whoever owns the houses, owns it. They can do whatever they want with it. Try and buy the house. Best wishes, Kris Liddle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Yes I recognize this family, from Laurens Andriessen, Thomas, Andries, John etc. E-mail me directly, I can give you a more detailed report, too long for this list. The Shoemaker Van Buskirk Genealogy covers it pp1091 and following. JOHN C VAN BUSKIRK http://www.geocities.com/vanbus1/ jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] My Dutcvh lines > John: > > Maybe you can help me with some of my Van Buskirk's? > Descendants of John Van Buskirk Generation No. 1 > 1. JOHN3 VAN BUSKIRK (JOHN J.2, JOHN A.1) was born 13 Aug 1809 in Saddle River, Bergen Co., New Jersey1,2, and died 18 Oct 1866 in Hackensack, New Jersey3,4. He married ELIZA HUYLER, daughter of JOHN HUYLER and EFYE WESTERVELT. She was born 10 Mar 18134, and died 26 Jul 1890 in Hackensack, New Jersey4. > Children of JOHN VAN BUSKIRK and ELIZA HUYLER are: > i. JACOB L.4 VAN BUSKIRK, b. 29 Jul 18514; d. Aft. 19154; m. (1) MARY NANGLE; m. (2) JEMMIA ZABRISKIE. > ii. SARAH ANN VAN BUSKIRK, b. 12 Nov 18314. > iii. JOHN HENRY VAN BUSKIRK, b. 14 Jul 18354. > iv. DAVID VAN BUSKIRK, b. 02 Nov 18384. > v. WILLIAM HYLE VAN BUSKIRK, b. 07 Dec 18404. > vi. ALVIN VAN BUSKIRK, b. 06 Feb 18474. > vii. EUPHEMIA VAN BUSKIRK4, m. HENRY GUILDERSLEEVE > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > John VanBuskirk <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/733 - Release Date: 3/25/2007 11:07 AM >

Hi Diane and all, I should have mentioned that there are also "classic" town histories that might give you some clues or starting points. History of Southold, L.I.: Its First Century by Rev. Epher Whitaker (1881) This was reprinted in 1931 with a title of Whitaker's Southold. Early History of Southampton, L. I., New York, With Genealogies, by George Rogers Howell 2nd ed. (1887); reprinted 1989. Also the town records have been published: Southold Town Records by J. Wickham Case (1882); reprinted 1989; 2 vols. The ___ Book of Records of the Town of Southampton: with other ancient documents of historic value, including all the writings in the town clerk's office from 1639 to 1660 / transcribed with notes and an introduction by Wm. S. Pelletreau ; and compiled by the undersigned committee, chosen at town meeting, April 1st, 1873, and published at the expense of the town by its authority, Henry P. Hedges, Wm. S. Pelletreau, Edward H. Foster. [where instead of ____, there is inserted First, Second, etc. for 6 in all, I believe] Contents : 1st book. 1639-1660 -- 2nd book. 1660-1717 -- 3rd book. 1717-1807 -- 4th book. 1809-1870. I believe that the 5th book then goes back to the mid 1600s and has "Historical Documents". I think some (or all) are online at HeritageQuest. The indexes of these town record books are very inadequate; ie. they don't come anywhere close to listing all the occurences of a name. Hopefully, the search on HQ or maybe someday Googlebooks could keep you from having to skim the whole book. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Thanks for the info, David. I have visited the sites you mentioned many times to no avail. I have found mention of HOEL/HOLE at other sources but very sporadic and never really more than a mention. I did think they must have been part of the Howell family, but now I really would like to find what became of the ME and NH Hole families. Even that is difficult to find - they just sort of disappear. I am going to try to find out if the NYG&B book is available from them or elsewhere - thank you for mentioning it. Diane * * * * * * ~ ~ ~ ~ Please check our Home Page ~ ~ ~ ~ * * * * * * http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/a/n/d/Sharon-D-Andreasen/ ~~~~~ Speak kind words/hear kind echoes ~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of David Roberts Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 6:43 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com To add to what Howard sent you, you might search http://longislandgenealogy.com There is quite a bit of material on that site. Also RootsWeb has a Suffolk County site and a LongIsland site, but neither are too active. You might post a query on either of those sites. The LIRooters site used to be VERY active but it too has tailed off. There were a couple of Southold "experts" on LIRooters at one time. The NYG&B published a book "Long Island Source Records" some years ago - re-prints of articles from the NYG&B Record. I know that book had a long run of Southold records.

John: Maybe you can help me with some of my Van Buskirk's? Descendants of John Van Buskirk Generation No. 1 1. JOHN3 VAN BUSKIRK (JOHN J.2, JOHN A.1) was born 13 Aug 1809 in Saddle River, Bergen Co., New Jersey1,2, and died 18 Oct 1866 in Hackensack, New Jersey3,4. He married ELIZA HUYLER, daughter of JOHN HUYLER and EFYE WESTERVELT. She was born 10 Mar 18134, and died 26 Jul 1890 in Hackensack, New Jersey4. Children of JOHN VAN BUSKIRK and ELIZA HUYLER are: i. JACOB L.4 VAN BUSKIRK, b. 29 Jul 18514; d. Aft. 19154; m. (1) MARY NANGLE; m. (2) JEMMIA ZABRISKIE. ii. SARAH ANN VAN BUSKIRK, b. 12 Nov 18314. iii. JOHN HENRY VAN BUSKIRK, b. 14 Jul 18354. iv. DAVID VAN BUSKIRK, b. 02 Nov 18384. v. WILLIAM HYLE VAN BUSKIRK, b. 07 Dec 18404. vi. ALVIN VAN BUSKIRK, b. 06 Feb 18474. vii. EUPHEMIA VAN BUSKIRK4, m. HENRY GUILDERSLEEVE Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John VanBuskirk <jvanbus1@twcny.rr.com> wrote: --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.

Probably the most comprehensive information availabe of Marie Thomas Badie can be found in NYGBR Vol. LXV, No. 3, Page 105, that is unless someone has done more recent comprehensive research one her families. This is an article on the Verdon family. I realize the questions about her are being asked because I mentioned last week that the ancestors of Fytie Adam Brouwer were not Dutch. This is not something I have personally researched, however, if I remember correctly I read somewhere that their origins were Flemish. I am not sure there is sufficient documentation available to prove one way or the other where they actually came from. As I have learned from my research on Matthys Cornelissen, we make a serious mistake assuming that people who lived in New Netherlands, who had what could be Dutch sounding names were actually Dutch. People came from other places in Europe, in order to fit in, they adopted the naming convention of the place where they were now living. It may very well turn out there were Dutch ancestors in the Verdon, Thomas or Braconie ancestors, but it is questionable that such documentation exists, simply because very little documentation from the 1500s has survived. Marleen Van Horne

Thank you everone. Phyllis, nice to meet you. Yes, he's the one I meant, a desc of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg. I appreciate the refs to other material on the Garrisons. John, thank you very much for the family sheet on Rachel Croisson. I had not followed this family very far, and your sheet here will come in very handy as I fill in those blanks I have. So nice of you! The Rachel Croison who married David Demarest and the other two was Rachel Pieterse Cresson (Croison), an aunt of the Rachel I was looking for. My subject is Rachel Letelier, bapt Apr 11 1668, New York DRC --a daughter of Christina Pieterse Cresson (Croison) and Jean Letelier (Jan Letelier /Tuelie/Tilje). Christina and Rachel were sisters --both children of Pierre Cresson and wife, Rachel Cloese. I had a few other msgs citing two works by James W. Hook, neither of which I have seen. One was "George Michael Eller and descendants of His in America," published in 1957. In this book is said to be a transcription of the Will of John Vannoy, who died sometime before March 1700, which was witnessed by Teunis Egbertse and Thomas Carne. The John Vannoy will was not proved until 10 April 1708, at which time his widow Rachel was yet living. It has been mentioned that in the will, Teunis Egbertse was listed as a brother-in-law of John Vannoy. This relationship doesn't appear in the will abstract i found. Death date for John Vannoy comes from a survey in the Richmond Co., NY Grantee and Grantor books, dated 17 March 1700, for Rachel Vannoy widow of John Vannoy. It appears no deed follows this recording, but I hear the Richmond Co. records are incomplete. Back to the will: If Teunis Egbertse was a brother-in-law of John Vannoy, it could mean that John was married to Rachel Letellier, sister of Susanna Letellier, wife of Teunis Egberts. Devil's Advocate says these men could be brothers-in-law some other way, but their wives being sisters makes the most sense to me. Can anyone support this by some means other than the John Vannoy will, or refute it?? Other work spreading over the internet has Rachel, wife of John Vannoy, with a surname Cromwell or similar. But I'm failing to find any support for that idea, nor any hint of parents bearing this name. Can anyone back this up? Possible children of Rachel and John Vannoy, cited in "History of the Vannoy family" --by James William Hook: 1706 census of Richmond Co., SI. -- John, aged 20; Francis, aged 18; Abram, Rachel, Sarah and Catherine. Abram (Abraham) Vannoy is said to have died in Little Creek Hundred, Kent County, Delaware, unknown date. If so, he does not appear in the Delaware probate records index database in any spelling I could dream up. Things do seem to fit, but also fall into timed and places from which surviving records are incomplete. But maybe I will find more evidence in Delaware among the many who migrated there from Staten Island, whether or not there had been interim stops. If so, and probably even if not, I'll be Bach. Thanks again, Liz J

In a message dated 3/25/2007 9:45:43 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com writes: Re: Ballston Spa./Dutch Connection Thanks Hugh for the suggestion of the Brooklyn Eagle web site. I have use it and found some info. Thanks, Barbara McC ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

If somehow has access to Honeyman's book on the Van Dorn Family, you will see the story of Anne van Doren, nee van Dyke, and if she is connected to this van Dyke house, then, hey, more reason to save the house. It's really tragic the way America handles its (not uncomplicated) past sometimes. Jeff Richards -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daryl Van Dyke Sent: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 20:02 To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be demolished I certainly hope that the Van Dyke House and its surrounding property can be preserved as part of our Americana. Our children and future generations need to know of the accomplishments, struggles and trials our ancestors endured and achieved to make this promised land, America, what it is and what it has to offer. Daryl L. Van Dyke ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know (hey, my family name is Richards, the 20th most common name in England, 5th most common name in Wales, and my g-grandfather was named John Richards, and that was quite a search...but I managed to trace him). That was one wild goosechase, believe me. But I broke down the brick wall. I'm just hoping for the combined erudition (and indulgence, grovel, grovel) of the members of this discussion group to bring light where there is darkness... Anne van Doren, nee van Dyke, sheltered the American Army shortly after the Battle of Princeton in January 1777 at the family mill in Griggstown. Washington gave her a safe conduct pass. Cornwallis and the Brits showed up a few days later, and since Anne had taken care of British wounded (a civilized war, but that was the 18th century), he didn't punish her. The story of her encounter with Washington and Cornwallis is told in Honeyman's volume on the Van Dorn Family (1909). Which is why I'm interested in this branch of the Van Dyke family. The lady was one helluva of dame. Thanks, Jeff Richards -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Edward Otte Sent: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 19:04 To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick, N.J. to be Demolished Van Dyke is a very common name, especially in this area of New Jersey back then. Ed -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.J.Richards Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:52 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished I'd be interested in any and all details about this Van Dyke home. My 8th-grandmother, Anne van Dyke, born 1741 (apparently in Amwell) might be connected. I only know the name of her father, Frans van Dyke. My NJ geography is lousy, I admit, but is this the same family? Thanks! Jeff Richards -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 16:59 To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are still intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young black girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the 1690's. Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn and a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately announced a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. of 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was approved. The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked this land. In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might account for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, says that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers Archives, he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived o the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill Klimowicz, Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is interested. One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the house. The main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over the kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, not necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. Judy Cassidy This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as a trap door leading to the kitchen. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd be interested in any and all details about this Van Dyke home. My 8th-grandmother, Anne van Dyke, born 1741 (apparently in Amwell) might be connected. I only know the name of her father, Frans van Dyke. My NJ geography is lousy, I admit, but is this the same family? Thanks! Jeff Richards -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Sonntag, 25. März 2007 16:59 To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are still intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young black girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the 1690's. Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn and a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately announced a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. of 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was approved. The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked this land. In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might account for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, says that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers Archives, he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived o the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill Klimowicz, Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is interested. One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the house. The main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over the kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, not necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. Judy Cassidy This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as a trap door leading to the kitchen. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Diane: To add to what Howard sent you, you might search http://longislandgenealogy.com There is quite a bit of material on that site. Also RootsWeb has a Suffolk County site and a LongIsland site, but neither are too active. You might post a query on either of those sites. The LIRooters site used to be VERY active but it too has tailed off. There were a couple of Southold "experts" on LIRooters at one time. Try the Suffolk County Historical Society in Riverhead also. Of course, Southold & Southampton were 99.9% English in the early days. The NYG&B published a book "Long Island Source Records" some years ago - re-prints of articles from the NYG&B Record. I know that book had a long run of Southold records. My friend, however, is working on her daughter-in-law's Hempstead ancestry & she has a pile of my Long Island references - including this reference. David David Roberts Hollywood, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Southampton & Southold Vital Records (was: Re:Dutch Reformed & Presbyterian) > Hi Diane, > > From: "Diane" <pandreasen@stny.rr.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Dutch Reformed & Presbyterian > > > Are there any published records of the Presbyterian churches in > > Southold/Southampton areas from the late 1660's early 1700's? > > I'm guessing that what you want is baptism and marriage records > as opposed to church history. > > Perhaps since those were English towns, they seem to be more like > the towns in Mass. in that you are more likely to find that info in > town records than church records for that era. > > For Southampton -- > Births from 1660 to 1778 are in > The Daughters of the American Revolution Magazine, vol 87, no. 3 > (Mar 1953), pp 409-412. > > Marriages 1660-1768 and Deaths 1677-1813 are in the same > vol 87, no. 11 (Nov 1953), pp. 1247-1250. > > > For Southold -- > Births, marriages and deaths. In "Southold, N. Y., Town Records, > Vital Statistics from Libers D. and E., in the Town Clerk's Office" > NYGBR vol 38 no. 3 thru vol 39 no. 2. These are organized by > family -- just the way they were entered, I assume. The time period > is from roughly mid 1600's to mid 1700's. > > Also there is "The Salmon Records" in NYGBR vols 47 thru 49. > These are "a private register of marriages and deaths". "The lists > extend from 1696 to 1811..." It starts with deaths in vol 47, p. 344. > Marriages begin in vol 49, p. 64. > > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While some local politicians and administrators really don't care, it's also fair to say that, as fiduciaries for their towns, they have to weigh the relatively clear (economic) benefits of redevelopment to the less tangible benefits of historic preservation. In this case, though, with such a large piece of land and a clearly historic property, I'm surprised a compromise hasn't been reached. An example of such compromise is the "Van Riper House" (aka the Bradbury-Van Riper House): http://www.oldnutley.org/vanriper.html. 50+-years ago, ITT carved out the acre or so on which the historic building sits and gave it to the town, which later contributed it to a non-profit. Thus the land, which had high market value, was put to use economically, and the house, which had concentrated historic value, was saved. As a footnote, the non-profit has struggled over the years to raise the funds necessary to meaningfully restore the house. If I recall correctly, a similar thing happened in Fairfield, NJ with the Simon Van Ness house. Chris On 3/25/07, Peter Wilde <pvdwilde@cox.net> wrote: > > Ed, you almost nailed it, or maybe you were too nice to say it directly. > But the bold truth is: many of those gaining local power today couldn't > care less about Dutch colonial times, European cultures, or even founding > fathers. In fact, they quietly resent them, and will seize opportunities > to > erase them. They will change America to reflect their culture, not ours. > The irony is that there are so many of us that want to do the PC thing, > and > help them! > > Peter Van Dyke Wilde > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Otte" <edotte@optonline.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be > Demolished > > > > To all, > > > > This is typical of the short sightedness of New Jersey government local > or > > state. If there is no profit in it for them they will do nothing. Swaths > of > > historical buildings are demolished all the time. I blame the local town > of > > South Brunswick and it planning board. But then agin the people on these > > boards generally have little education in history. The schools do not > teach > > much of it anymore in lieu of alternative history and multicultural > history > > while our history is going away. > > > > Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Jacassidy22@aol.com > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:59 AM > > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick, N.J. to be > > Demolished > > > > The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van > Dyke > > > > Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are > > still > > intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young > > black > > girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have > > been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the > N.J. > > > > turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the > > 1690's. > > Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century > barn > > and > > a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who > bought > > > > the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. > Puida > > agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately > > announced > > a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In > Feb. > > of > > 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it > was > > approved. > > The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major > > agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who > worked > > this land. > > In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might > > account > > for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end > > slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James > Shackleford, > > says > > that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers > > Archives, > > he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who > lived > > o > > the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has > been > > trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the > slave > > quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill > > Klimowicz, > > Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney > > Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is > > interested. > > > > One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that > the > > > > original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later > became > > the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was > > probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the > > house. The > > main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters > over > > the > > kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset > County, > > not > > necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the > origional > > > > Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. > > > > Judy Cassidy > > > > This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a > walk > > > > in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as > well > as > > a > > trap door leading to the kitchen. > > > > > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > > everyone. > > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ed, you almost nailed it, or maybe you were too nice to say it directly. But the bold truth is: many of those gaining local power today couldn't care less about Dutch colonial times, European cultures, or even founding fathers. In fact, they quietly resent them, and will seize opportunities to erase them. They will change America to reflect their culture, not ours. The irony is that there are so many of us that want to do the PC thing, and help them! Peter Van Dyke Wilde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Otte" <edotte@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick,N.J. to be Demolished > To all, > > This is typical of the short sightedness of New Jersey government local or > state. If there is no profit in it for them they will do nothing. Swaths of > historical buildings are demolished all the time. I blame the local town of > South Brunswick and it planning board. But then agin the people on these > boards generally have little education in history. The schools do not teach > much of it anymore in lieu of alternative history and multicultural history > while our history is going away. > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Jacassidy22@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:59 AM > To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Dyke House, South Brunswick, N.J. to be > Demolished > > The New York Times Metro Section pg. 3, has a large article on the Van Dyke > > Home build ca. 1713, which had slave quarters over the kitchen which are > still > intact and a Revolutionary spinning wheel and bill of sale for a young > black > girl were found in the basement. For the past two years residents have > been trying to save this house located near Davison Mill Road near the N.J. > > turnpike. This 229 acres property was deeded by the Van Dykes in the > 1690's. > Behind the farm house sits an original carriage house, a 19th century barn > and > a slave cemetery. The current owner is a man named William Puida who bought > > the house in the 1950's from the Van Dyke family. Two years ago Mr. Puida > agreed to sell the land to a developer, Joseph Morris who immediately > announced > a plan to demolish the existing buildings and put up a warehouse. In Feb. > of > 2005, he appeared to the zoning board to instead put up condo's and it was > approved. > The Van Dyke farm is a rare remnant of a time when N.J. was a major > agricultural center largely because of the thousands of slaves who worked > this land. > In 1800, there were 12.000 to 13,000 slaves in the state which might > account > for why NY and NJ were the only Northern slaves that did not move to end > slavery during the Revolutionary War. A local historian James Shackleford, > says > that when he was researching slavery in South Brunswick, at Rutgers > Archives, > he found documents about a young slave named Amy and other slaves who lived > o > the Van Dyke Farm. An organization Eastern Villages apparently has been > trying to save this farm because of its historical value because the slave > quarters and cemetery are still intact, members Elaine Livingston, Bill > Klimowicz, > Jean Dvorak. and others. The author of the article is J. Courtney > Sullivan, and it is located on page 33, March 25, 2007. If any one is > interested. > > One Note from me, It appears from the photograph with the article, that the > > original early Dutch house with the windows at the roof line, later became > the kitchen with the slave quarters located over the kitchen in what was > probably the original second story of the origional Dutch part of the > house. The > main house was then attached. The description of the slave quarters over > the > kitchen would probably apply to many of those houses in Somerset County, > not > necessarily as slave quarters, but simply the second story of the origional > > Dutch Home. I have seen many of this design near Harlingen. > > Judy Cassidy > > This area consisted of two bare wooden rooms, each about the size of a walk > > in closet with the original tiny windows and doors still in tact, as well as > a > trap door leading to the kitchen. > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina Cresson m. 2 c 1673 Jacob Gerrits (bap. 14 Oct 1646, son of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg). They had six sons and removed to South Jersey in the early 1690s. The Garrison line is followed in two articles: NYH&G Record Vol. 124, pp. 1-9 and TAG Vol 74, pp. 58-71.The TAG article follows the descendants of Jacob's son Abraham. But what ever happened to Rachel Letelier, I don't know. Never tried to find out. Phyllis ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.