Lisa, I got all my Badie information from Bob, so can't help as much as he can. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Lisa <lisarps@gmail.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 12:28:53 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Maria Badie I think I remember an article in Dorothy's "New Netherland Connections" concerning Maria Badie and her parents. I will have to go through my back issues and try to find it. I show she was married 3 times: (1) Jacob Verdon (2) Willem Adrianse Bennett (3) Paulus Van der Beek. I have her death as aft 1694 with the notation of: 28 Feb 1693/4 deeded land to Anna Huyken. She signed the document with her mark so she was still alive at this time. I was sloppy and did not put in my database my source for her death nor her birth. Lisa protzy41@optonline.net wrote: > Lisa, > > I have an undocumented note that Maria was b. Netherlands, and her father was b. France and died in the netherlands in 1610, just 2 years after her birth. > > Bob Protzmann > > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, Nelson's history of Paterson/Passaic was reprinted by Higginson Books (year unspecified). I searched their website this morning, higginsonbooks.com, but I can't find it. I know that Bergen Historic Books (BHB) still carries it - bergenhistoricbooks.com - as well as all (I think) the other major histories local to northern NJ and Rockland NY. I got mine from BHB. Considering your ancestral families in NJ, you should see Nelson or have it. (Note: I have no affiliation with the abovementioned publishers) Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schopfer Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:22 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Acquackanonk Patentees To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > I can't qualitatively compare the two books, although this is > not the first > time I've heard that Nelson's is better. I don't think Nelson is > online, whereas Scott is available via HeritageQuest. > > Please note, however, that Scott also has the full text of both > the 1679 > "Indian deed" and the 1684 indenture/patent (from which I > transcribed the > fourteen patentees names, since the deed only contains the list > of four plus > "associates"). > > Chris

Dear Pam, In your definitive summary you said, "Going out on the proverbial limb, I think it is quite likely that Sarah Covert (daughter of Mauritz Teunis Covert and Antje Fonteyn, and widow of Pieter Lott), married as her second husband to Abraham Polhemus (as his second wife), the son of Theodorus Polhemus and Aertje Teunis Bogaert and widower of Geertruy Remsen." Remember that Phyllis Miller gave us the 6 children of Sarah Covert's first marriage to Pieter Lott: Hendrick b 1716 (for his father?) Mourice b 1718 (for her father?) Cattrina b 1720 (for his mother?) Antje or Agnietje b 1721 (Was that Maurice Covert's wife's name??) Maria 1723 Pieter b 1725 I looked at later baptismal records of the Dutch Reformed Church in Jamaica, Long Island. Unfortunately the recording clerk followed the English custom of listing married women by their husband's surname. On 17 Nov 1746 Hendrick Lot and his wife Artyi Lot had their daughter Sara baptized. The sponsors were "Abraham Polhemus and Sara Polhemus". In the same church on 10 Feb 1751 "Hendreck Lot and Artyei Lot" had their son, Hendrick, baptized. There were no witnesses' names recorded. It looks to me that Sarah (Covert) Lott Polhemus -- along with her second husband -- was standing as godparent to her namesake granddaughter, the child of Sarah's eldest son, Hendrick, born in 1716. Another fact to confirm your logic! Dorothy

Hi Barb, Phyllis, Dorothy, Larry, Liz, et al, Thanks to all for their contributions to this thread. I do think we are entering more uncharted territory with intriguing possibilities. Barb Pumyea wrote: > Pam If I am reading the will of Maurits Lott correctly then his > mother Sarah must have remarried after the death of Peter Lott in > 1730 and had a few more children as Maurits leaves bequests to the > children of his BROTHERS, Tunis and Johannes Polhemus. > > > Is there a record of the marriage of Sara to a Polhemus? Or am I reading > the will incorectly? > > Barbara > Before I included the will of Mauritz Lott in my previous, I checked for corrections, but there were none. I too wondered about the Polhemus connection, and have spent time this morning revisiting the Polhemus article "The Rev. Johannes Theodorus Polhemus and Some of His Descendants" by I. Heyward Peck that appeared serially in the NYG&B Record, beginning in Vol. 90 (Apr 1959) and concluding in Vol. 92 (Oct 1961). Mr. Peck mentioned the will of Mauritz Lott, but struggled with the relationship, and I believe he missed the true connection. Going out on the proverbial limb, I think it is quite likely that Sarah Covert (daughter of Mauritz Teunis Covert and Antje Fonteyn, and widow of Pieter Lott), married as her second husband to Abraham Polhemus (as his second wife), the son of Theodorus Polhemus and Aertje Teunis Bogaert and widower of Geertruy Remsen. On page 231 (Oct 1959) of Vol. 90 of the NYG&B Record, Mr. Peck discussed the family of Abraham Polhemus, who was baptized at the Brooklyn Dutch Church on 19 Mar 1697, and still living in Jul 1772 when he deeded land in Jamaica to his son Johannes. Abraham Polhemus, according to Mr. Peck, married (1st) to Geertruy Remsem about 1718, and they had 5 children; he married (2nd) to Sarah __(?)__ about 1733 (no marriage record has survived). He shows 2 children as issue of the second marriage (Johannes and Teunis), both baptized at the Jamaica Dutch Church, PLUS an unknown daughter who he surmised married Mauritz Lott (of the will) and died before 1784, the date of probate of that will. I suspect that the Jamaica Dutch Church records only give the wife's name as Sarah, and do not show a surname for her in the records, and the sponsors (or lack thereof) were no help for a more positive identification. Abraham Polhemus left no will and last appeared in the records of Jamaica on 8 Jul 1772, when "Abraham Polhemus, yeoman, of Jamaica, conveyed to Johannes Polhemus, yeoman of Jamaica, his son," the property he bought from William Creed by deed dated 12 Feb 1732 (recorded 29 Jul 1772 [QC-D:E:137]). According to Mr. Peck, Abraham Polhemus and Sarah (?) had issue, the first two baptized at Jamaica: 1. Johannes, baptized 1 Feb 1734; sponsor, Johannes Polhemus 2. Teunis, baptized 4 May, 1735; no sponsors given 3. (daughter, name unknown) b. _?_, d. before 1784. She mar. Mourice Lott, b Feb. 26, 1718; will proved Sept. 9, 1785, a son of Peter & Femmetje (Remsen) Lott. In that instrument, dated Oct. 11, 1784, he bequeathed fifty pounds to his nephew John Polhemus, son of my brother [in-law] Teunis Polhemus, deceased, and fifty pounds to nephew Peter Polhemus, son of my brother Johannes Polhemus. The rest of his estate was distributed to his brothers and sisters or their heirs, none of whom married a Polhemus (NYC-W 38:156). Mr. Peck is correct when he said that none of the siblings of Mauritz Lott married a Polhemus, but his identification of the wife of Peter Lott (Femmetje Remsen) is incorrect. If he had known (as do we) that the wife of Peter Lott was Sarah Teunis Covert, he might have had a better chance to make the appropriate connection. Furthermore, we know that Peter Lott died before 4 Jun 1730 (from his will), leaving a widow named Sarah, who was not yet 40 years of age, with numerous children (who needed a step father). Therefore, I believe it was Sarah Teunis Covert, the widow of Peter Lott, who married Abraham Polhemus as his 2nd wife. The wife of Johannes Polhemus (bpt 1 Feb 1734) has never been identified, but it was he who had the son Peter (mentioned in the will of Mauritz Lott). Teunis Polhemus (bpt 4 May 1735) married by NY License dated 7 Oct 1763 to Helena Betts and they had a son named John, b 1764 (also named in the will of Mauritz Lott). Teunis Polhemus was buried at the Jamaica Dutch Church on 15 Sep 15 Sep 1782, from Grace Church in Jamaica (which fits with the will of Mauritz Lott, for he was said to be deceased by 11 Oct 1784). According to Mr. Peck, the records from Grace Church in Jamaica are missing between 1732 and 1780, which may account for the lack of records for these particular Polhemus families. I would welcome further input and comments from one and all. Regards, Pam Sears

has anyone had any dealings-good or bad- with genbook source.com? I ordered from them a month ago books said to be in stock. I haven't received it, nor can I get a response to e-mailsfrom the company. When I try to call them, I get a "full mailbox", but never a live person answering the phone. ----- Original Message ----- From: <nancyterhune@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Acquackanonk Patentees > Chris, > > Nelson's history of Paterson/Passaic was reprinted by Higginson Books > (year unspecified). I searched their website this morning, > higginsonbooks.com, but I can't find it. I know that Bergen Historic > Books (BHB) still carries it - bergenhistoricbooks.com - as well as all (I > think) the other major histories local to northern NJ and Rockland NY. I > got mine from BHB. Considering your ancestral families in NJ, you should > see Nelson or have it. > > (Note: I have no affiliation with the abovementioned publishers) > > Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Schopfer > Date: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:22 am > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Acquackanonk Patentees > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > >> I can't qualitatively compare the two books, although this is >> not the first >> time I've heard that Nelson's is better. I don't think Nelson is >> online, whereas Scott is available via HeritageQuest. >> >> Please note, however, that Scott also has the full text of both >> the 1679 >> "Indian deed" and the 1684 indenture/patent (from which I >> transcribed the >> fourteen patentees names, since the deed only contains the list >> of four plus >> "associates"). >> >> Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't qualitatively compare the two books, although this is not the first time I've heard that Nelson's is better. I don't think Nelson is online, whereas Scott is available via HeritageQuest. Please note, however, that Scott also has the full text of both the 1679 "Indian deed" and the 1684 indenture/patent (from which I transcribed the fourteen patentees names, since the deed only contains the list of four plus "associates"). Chris On 3/29/07, Howard Swain <hswain@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > The complete text of the patent (including the names shown below) is > in William Nelson's History of the City of Paterson and the County > of Passaic New Jersey (1901), pp. 63-65. [Note: this is a different book > from the one Ethel cited. I have found this older one, in general, > more useful. YMMV] This transcription is from the original parchment, > which at the time was in the possession of ex-Judge Simmons of Passaic. > The settlers petitioned the proprietors for the patent on 30 May 1684 and > it was issued on 16 March 1684[/5]. > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > > From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:05 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Acquackanonk Patentees > > > > Ethel: > > > > The fourteen patentees, according to William Scott's "History of Passaic > and > > it environs" (available on HeritageQuest), were: > > Hans Dederick > > Garret Garretsen [Van Wagenen] > > Walling Jacobs [Van Winkle] > > Elias Machielson [Vreeland] > > Hartman Machielsen [Vreeland] > > Johannis Machielson [Vreeland] > > Cornelius Machielsen [Vreeland] > > Adrian Post > > Urian Tomason [Van Riper] > > Cornelius Rowlofsen [Van Houten] > > Symon Jacobs [Van Winkle] > > John Hendrick Speare [Spier/Speer] > > Cornelius Lubers > > Abraham Bookey > > > > Chris > > > > On 3/29/07, ETHELKK@aol.com < ETHELKK@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> Who are the original patentees of the Acquackanonk purchase in > >> Passaic/Bergen County New Jersey? > >> > >> The Indian deed for Acquackanonk, dated 28 March 1679, > between Captahem > >> Indian Sachem and Chief . . . 'In Consideration of a certain Prcel of > >> goods, > >> Blankets, kettles powder and other Goods . . . bargained and sold > unto > >> the said > >> Hans Diedericks, Gerrit Gerritsen, Walling Jacobs, Hendrick George and > >> their > >> Associates . . . signed, sealed and delivered by Captahem, and > attested > >> by > >> the other Sachems, 28 March 1679, in the presence of Governor Philip > >> Carteret." > >> > >> Four men are mentioned in the deed. Hans Diedericks, Gerrit Gerritsen > >> [Van > >> Wagenen], Walling Jacobs [Van Winkle], Hendrick George [Brinkerhoff] > >> "and > >> their Associates" Who are the Associates? > >> > >> Nelson and Shriner wrote "Among the Patentees of Acquackanonk, only > >> three > >> -- Post, Spier and Bookey -- had proper surnames. .." "One of the > >> patentees of the Acquackanonk patent was Cornelius Lubbers." > [Westervelt] > >> > >> > >> *History of Paterson and Its Environs (The Silk City) by William Nelson > >> and > >> Charles A Shriner > >> Lewis Historical Publishing Company, New York and Chicago 1920 > >> Acquackanonk Patent Vol.1 Pioneer Families Vol.2. > >> > >> Ethel Kay Konight > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> > Pam If I am reading the will of Maurits Lott correctly then his mother Sarah must have remarried after the death of Peter Lott in 1730 and had a few more children as Maurits leaves bequests to the children of his BROTHERS, Tunis and Johannes Polhemus. Is there a record of the marriage of Sara to a Polhemus? Or am I reading the will incorectly? Barbara

Hi Dorothy, Just wanted to mention some sources that refer to Mauritsz Covert and Annetje Fonteyn: 1) Phyllis J. Miller, "Jannetje Teunis Nyssen and Jannetje Teunis Coevert," NYGBR 119:6, shows Mauritsz Covert and Annetje Fonteyn were married in 1690. 2) David McQueen, "Kings County, N.Y. Wills," NYGBR 47:119 (note). In the will of Charles Ffonteyn of Boswyck and Katrina Baaly wife, dated 1 Aug. 1687: "Charles Fontaine was of Bushwyck, 1661.He married Katrina De Bailie. Issue: ...Annetje, bap. July 16, 1662; m., first, Sep. 9, 1685, Jacob Jansen, m., second, April 1, 1690, Mauritz Coverts, and third, Francis Titus..." 3) Andrew J. Provost, "Early Settlers of Bushwick," (1949), 3:62, also shows the 1 April 1690 date for Annetje's second marriage; and mentions her third marriage to Francis Titus, son of Titus Siraks de Vries and Jannetje Teunis Covert, "by which marriage they had no issue." 4) In "Kings County, N.Y. Wills," NYGBR 47:167-168: The will of Jacob Jansen, Annetje's first husband, dated 23 March 1689 (recorded Liber 1 of Conveyances, p. 84 and an Inventory dated April 1690, p. 94, would confirm he died in 1690 and points to the probablity of a 1690 date for Annetje's second marriage. I love this stuff. Regards, Larry Voreis > Dear Phyllis, Splendid! In "Genealogies of Long Island Families" > Volume I, pages 432-438, on page 433 in an article titled, "The > Family of Charles Fonteyn", we learn that Annetie Fonteyn was the > daughter of Charel Fonteyn and Catherine de Baile. Annetje was bap. > 16 July 1662 in Brooklyn. She first married Jacob Janszen on 9 Sep > 1685 in New York; this couple had 2 children. Annetje then married > 2) at Flatbush on 21 August 1694 Mauritz Covert. Sarah Covert was > the 4th and youngest child of Mauritz and Annetje. She was baptized > on 26 Dec 1697 at Brooklyn. I would say that a very strong case can > be made that this Pieter Lott's was was, indeed, Sarah Covert. > > Dorothy > >>Dorothy, >>You are right on the nose - again! >>Yes, Mr. Phillips does give the will of the Pieter Lott b 1 March 1690, >>Jamaica, and the children. This Pieter was the son of Hendrick Lock >>and Catrina >>de Witt >> >>Will dated 12 Sept 1727; pr 4 June 1730 >>Pieter was "of Flatbush" >>wife: Sarah >>sons Hendrick and Mauris not of age >>names children in order given below. >>His brother Johannes Lott and his brother-in-law Rem Remson and Andries >>Onderdonk, Executors. >> >>Children: >>Hendrick b 1716 (for his father?) >>Mourice b 1718 (for her father?) >>Cattrina b 1720 (for his mother?) >>Antje or Agnietje b 1721 (Was that Maurice Covert's wife's name??) >>Maria 1723 >>Pieter b 1725 >> >>Hope this helps, Liz. >>Phyllis >> >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's free at >>http://www.aol.com. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Friends and Cousins, At the risk of sounding a bit "preachy-teachy" but for the benefit of the less experienced researchers among us, please note that the operative term in listing "Filby's" or "PILI" or however you know it, is the word "Lists." Filby's, which is updated annually (I think), will give you a reference to some published work (lists, most often) and is not a source document in and of itself. Ginny correctly notes that the pointer in Filby in this case is to the Tepper edition, which in itself is not a source document but should point to an original passenger list (probably in transcription) published in the NEH&G Register. The appropriate Register issue should, I would hope, cite the description and whereabouts of the original of the list in question, or image(s) thereof. Those images would be your primary source. This is, I think, a good example of the number of layers one often has to peel back before you approach something that could fairly be termed a primary source. Regards, Ted Snediker -------------- Original message -------------- From: Vsiefkes@wmconnect.com > Passenger and Immigration Lists Index First Edition, Volume 3 O-Z. Edited by > P. William Filby with Mary K. Meyer; shows Teunis Cornelis Slingerland coming > to New Netherlands 1620-1664. My information says he came in 1654. the > references from the Index have #9135 p 10 and on that source I have Michael > Tepper, > editor. Passengers to America: a Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists from > The New England Historical and Geneaolgical Register. Baltimore: Genealogical > Publishing Co., 1977. Reprinted with new indexes, 1978. > > Can I be sure that this person came within that time period (1654) but what > was the name of the ship that he came on? > > Any comments would be appreciated. > > Ginny > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The first certain reference to TCS came on the 20th of October 1654, when Teunis Cornelissen Slingerland and several other people petitioned for building lots in the village of Beverwyck - what is today the city of Albany. There was a Teunis Cornellisen who had a son baptized in the New York Reformed Church in 1652, but since there were at least three men in the colony with that name, we cannot assume that this was Slingerland. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Swain" <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Teunis Slingerland's arrival (was: Ships List) > Hi Ginny, > > From: <Vsiefkes@wmconnect.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:02 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ships List > > >> Passenger and Immigration Lists Index First Edition, Volume 3 O-Z. Edited >> by >> P. William Filby with Mary K. Meyer; shows Teunis Cornelis Slingerland >> coming >> to New Netherlands 1620-1664. My information says he came in 1654. the >> references from the Index have #9135 p 10 and on that source I have >> Michael Tepper, >> editor. Passengers to America: a Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists >> from >> The New England Historical and Geneaolgical Register. Baltimore: >> Genealogical >> Publishing Co., 1977. Reprinted with new indexes, 1978. >> >> Can I be sure that this person came within that time period (1654) but >> what >> was the name of the ship that he came on? > > I think you have somehow gotten the wrong book by Tepper. > I don't have the book you cite, but have the table of contents. >>From that, I see that p. 10 begins The Founders of New England by Samuel >>Drake > from vol XIV of the NEHGR. That page is an intro, but even the first page > of > passengers does not have your guy. It is about ships from England to New > England. > > My guess is that the correct Tepper book is Immigrants to the Middle > Colonies: > A Consolidation fo Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from the > NYGBR. > Again, from the table of contents, p. 10 is p/o an article titled > "Representative > Pioneer Settlers of New Netherland and Their Original Home Places" by > Richard Schemerhorn, Jr. from vol LXV. [That article is also in Boyer's > Ship Passenger Lists: New York and New Jersey, pp. 26 ff.] > > Looking at the list, I see that by "Pioneer Settlers" he means those that > arrived > 1620 to 1664. For your guy he has: > "Slingerland, Teunis Cornelis from Amsterdam" > His source for that is: Holland Society Yearbooks (Biographical Memoirs) > > Not very satisfying. And no indication of date. > David Riker has arrival in 1654; perhaps this is because the first event > he > shows for Teunis is the bap. of a child in NARDC in 1655. > I checked a couple of things quickly and didn't find anything on which > ship he arrived. > > You might want to check the Dutch Settlers Society of Albany vol. 36-37, > pp 13-17, which Riker cites. > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After rereading this, it would probably be worth mentioning that the name Adam Brower appears on both lists. Thanks, Steve -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Brewer Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:22 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Adam Brower and the Fort Albany Here's another question for Adam Brouwer experts. In New York Historical Manuscripts, there is a list of passengers granted permission to board the ship Fort Albany for England and Amsterdam in 1670. A few entries later, there is what appears to be a passenger list of persons aboard Fort Albany. Does anyone know any more about this? Is this Adam Brouwer Berkhoven or another Adam Brower? I've been trying to track down every Adam Brouwer reference I can find and locate sources. There is a gap between his trouble with Gerrit Croesen in 1669 and his Brooklyn tax assessment in 1675. Thanks, Steve Brewer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi to all, Yes, I think Dorothy has got it right :-), and the will confirms it. Phylis wrote > A.V. Phillips in The Lott Family in America p.18-19 gives only the name > Sarah for Peter's wife. However there is a footnote --n9. Pieter Lott, had a > sister Dorothy, who married William Remsen, named in her father's will. So that > Sarah, was probably a Remsen, sister of Rem, named "brother-in-law" in > Pieter's will. > Pieter Lott's sister Dorothy had married William Remsen, so Pieter Lott would still have a Remsen brother-in-law, even though Sarah, his wife, was probably a Covert. Larry wrote: > I found one reference to get you started: Andrew J. Provost, Early Settlers > of Bushwick (1949), available on HeritageQuest. > Vol. 3, p. 62 (Fonteyn Family) shows Sara Covert, daughter of Maurus Koevers > [Covert] and Annetje (Fonteyn), baptized 27 Dec. 1692, sponsors, Jacques > Fonteyn and his wife, Anneke (Webbers), the child's maternal uncle and aunt. > No mention is made of who she married. > The baptismal date shown above has to be incorrect; probably in error for 1697 (?). Mauritz Teunis Covert, son of Teunis Jansz Covert and Barbara Lucas (Van Kessel) married on 1 Apr 1690 at Flatbush to Antje Fonteyn, the daughter of Charles Fonteyn and Catharine de Bailee. They baptized their first 3 children at the New York Reformed Dutch Church: 29 Mar 1691: Maurits Couvors, Anneken Fonteyn; Theunis; Theunis Janszen Couvors, Barbara Lucas 16 Apr 1693: Maurits Coeverts, Anna Fonteyn; Charles; Jan Coevers, Lea Fonteyn 16 Jan 1696: Maurits Coevert, Anna Fonteyn. darna is't kindt gedoopt den 22 dicto*; 'tzoude Maurits geheeten zyn, maer is nict gedoopt**; Lucas Coevert, Anna Webbers, huysvr. Van Jacques Fonteyn *This child was subsequently baptized - the 22nd dict. **Would have been named Maurits, but was not baptized Sara Covert was baptized according to Andrew Provost above, but not in 1692. Howard: can you find a baptismal record, perhaps at Brooklyn or Flatbush, for this Sara Covert on 27 Dec 1697? Many thanks. The abstract of the will follows: Abstracts of Unrecorded Wills, Vol XI, Prior to 1790 p 127 In the name of God, Amen. September 12, 1727. I, PIETER LOTT, of Flatbush, in Kings County, being at present sick. I direct all debts to be paid. I leave to my wife Sarah, all my estate, houses, and lands, and my personal estate, until my sons, Hendrick and Mauris Lott, are of age. But if she happens to marry, my executors are to take possession, for the best of my children, viz.: Hendrick, Mauris, Catharine, Antie, Maria, and Pieter. But if she remains unmarried she is to have the east room in my dwelling house, with the cellar and chamber, and 30 acres of land in the township of Flatbush, Bounded north by the Kings road that leads to Jamaica, and west by William Van Bursum. Being in breadth 2 1/2 Lots, and in length, south from the Kings road till it makes up 30 acres. And she is to have fire wood and fencing out of my woodland in Newtown. And she is to have hay from my meadow in Flatbush. And one third of my orchard that joins to my dwelling house. I leave to my sons, Hendrick and Mauris, all my houses, lands, and meadows, in Flatbush or Newtown, when they are of age, or after the death of their mother, Catharina Lott. And they shall pay to my daughters, Catharina, Antie, and Maria, £600 each, in six years after they come in possession. I give to my son Pieter, all my farm or Plantations in Kings County, in the Town of Boswyck (Bushwick). I make my brother, Johanes Lott, and my brothers-in-law, Rem Remsen and Andries Onderdonk, Johanes Schenck, and Abraham Lott, executors. Witnesses, Joris Colm, Thomas Betts. Proved, June 4, 1730. The son, Mauritz Lott, apparently never married or had children, and left a will naming all his siblings. Abstracts of Wills, Vol XIII, 1784-1786 Liber 38, p 197 Page 156.--In the name of God, Amen. I, MOUWRIS LOTT, of New Lotts, township of Flatbush, Kings County, N. Y., yeoman, weak. Estate to be sold and proceeds to go as follows: To my sister, Maria Lott, £1,000. To Catrina, daughter of my late sister Catrina, the wife of Jacob Rapalje, deceased, £150. To my nephew, John Polhemus, son of my brother, Tunis Polhemus, deceased, £50. To my nephew, Peter Polhemus, son of my brother, Johannes Polhemus, £50. To my Executors £30 each if they well and faithfully execute the trust reposed in them. Residuary estate, one half to the children of my said late sister Catrina, and the children of Angenietje, deceased, late the wife of Martin Schenck, of Cowneck, divided so that the children of said Catrina, viz., Peter, Jacob, Sarah and Catrina Rapelje, shall each have one fifth thereof, and the other fifth be divided between children of said Angenietje (not named) by their father when they come of age. Other half shall be held by Executors during life of my brother, Hendrick Lott, who shall pay him £20 yearly and at his death said portion to children of said Hendrick Lott then living. To my sister Maria my large Dutch Bible. If any legatee shall find fault about any Legacies given them such legatee shall be cut off from any share. Executors, friend Nicholas Schenck, of Flatlands, and my two cousins, Johannis I. Lott and Hendrick Lott, both of New Lotts. (Signed) MOUWERIS LOTT. Dated October 11, 1784. Witnesses, John Van Der Veer, Esq., Hendrick Eldert, Isaac Eldert, yeoman, of New Lotts. Proved, Kings County, September 7, 1785. Confirmed, New York, September 14, 1785. Regards, Pam Sears

To Carol, Dorothy, Phyllis, Larry and Pam, Thank you! That makes things a whole lot [pun intended!] clearer for that much of the family. This is all part of my quest to determine just which Abraham LOTT was the father of 'my' Henry Lott who married Maria KIP in Montgomery County, NY in 1814, and who died there 2 years later. His father, Abraham was named in Henry's probate papers, as was his wife, Maria and a John DELINE (who also was married to a LOTT!). Thank you all so much for your help! Liz

Dorothy, You are right on the nose - again! Yes, Mr. Phillips does give the will of the Pieter Lott b 1 March 1690, Jamaica, and the children. This Pieter was the son of Hendrick Lock and Catrina de Witt Will dated 12 Sept 1727; pr 4 June 1730 Pieter was "of Flatbush" wife: Sarah sons Hendrick and Mauris not of age names children in order given below. His brother Johannes Lott and his brother-in-law Rem Remson and Andries Onderdonk, Executors. Children: Hendrick b 1716 (for his father?) Mourice b 1718 (for her father?) Cattrina b 1720 (for his mother?) Antje or Agnietje b 1721 (Was that Maurice Covert's wife's name??) Maria 1723 Pieter b 1725 Hope this helps, Liz. Phyllis ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

What do you need in Kentucky? I have knowledge of records here. We have a lot of books published, bible records etc. I am very much into record preservation and this past year I donated many old books to the State Archives and to the Kentucky Historical Society. We did lose many records in the Civil War but there is a tax list that many people do not know about. This is from the earliest Ky. to late 1880's (we even have Bouyrbon Co. in the late 1700's). We also have births, deaths and marriages for most counties for 1852-1859 and 1874-1878. If I can help you I will be glad to try. Donna Stark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes > Thanks Peter. This seems to be my luck. I'm missing a lot of records > in Kentucky that got burnt during the civil war. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Christoph > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:19 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes > > The complete name of the series was Council Minutes and General Entries. > > Volumes 1 and 2 were general entries. Volume 2 contained 352 pages, of > which > 161 survived the State Capitol fire of 1911. The surviving pages were > published in my first volume of General Entries but the charge of > sedition > was apparently on one of the lost pages. > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes > > >> It looks like CM, 1668-1783 starts with volume 3 so I'm looking for > any >> source that contains volume 2. >> >> On a side note, I've noticed that GOOGLE books is putting a lot of the > >> older books online. I had intended to get CM, 1668-1783 at the > library >> but found it online. Hopefully they'll get a few more of the older > source >> books available online. >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ---- Steve Brewer <slbrewer@fuse.net> wrote: >>> I'm hoping someone can identify a source for me. In Stiles' History > of >>> Brooklyn he mentions that Adam Brouwer was ordered arrested for > seditious >>> speeches and his source is listed as Council Minutes, ii.. I tried > to >>> look it up in Calendar of Council Minutes, 1668 - 1783 but this > doesn't >>> appear to be the correct source. Does anyone know what he's > referring >>> to? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Steve >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Howard is correct: Nelson's 'History of the City of Paterson and the County of Passaic New Jersey' (1901), familiarly known as "Nelson's 'Paterson'," is an extremely useful book. It is one of my favorites. Note that there are also sections on the Totowa Patent (ca. 1696, the first settlement north of Acquackanonk), the Wagaraw Patent (1696, between the Totowa and Saddle River patents) and the Garret Mountain Deed (1711, adjoining the Acq. Patent land to the north). In addition to the history, there is an extensive section of genealogies of the earliest families in that area - most of whom were among the earliest families in what are now the boroughs of New York (City). While the genealogical information, itself, contains few source references, I've found it to be quite reliable, consistent with primary sources. The documents (wills, deeds, etc.) are well cited, however. For those who are interested, here are the lists of genealogies in the book, under their chapter headings: Chapter IV (pp.80 - 226) "The First Families of Paterson" (note: the Acquackanonk bunch, patentees & other earliest) "Biographical sketches of the First Patentees and Earliest Settlers, with Full Genealogies of the First Families, Copies of Wills, Early Deeds and other Records" Genealogies: Brinkerhoff, Didericks, Garrison, Van Wagoner, Van Winkle, Vreeland, Post, Van Riper, Speer, Sandford, Bradbury, Simmons, Pier, Stagg, Westervelt, Van Blarcom, Lubbers, Bookey/Bokee Chapter VI (pp. 226 - 296) "The Settlers of Totowa" Genealogies: Van Houten, Breese, Stanley, Van Giesen, Hopson, Cool, Godwin, Bensen, Munn, Van Saun, Blauvelt Chapter VIII (pp. 297 - 330) "Wagaraw and the Goffle - The Settlement and the Settlers" Genealogies: Ryerson, Wessels, De Gray Chapter IX (pp. 330 - 362) "The Garret Mountain Purchase" Genealogies: Doremus, Ackerman, Hopper, Neafie/Nevius There is also a section on the "Patriots and Tories" of the Revolution (Chapter XV). ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Swain Date: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:42 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Acquackanonk Patentees To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Hi all, > > The complete text of the patent (including the names shown > below) is > in William Nelson's History of the City of Paterson and the County > of Passaic New Jersey (1901), pp. 63-65. [Note: this is a > different book > from the one Ethel cited. I have found this older one, in general, > more useful. YMMV] This transcription is from the original > parchment,which at the time was in the possession of ex-Judge > Simmons of Passaic. > The settlers petitioned the proprietors for the patent on 30 May > 1684 and > it was issued on 16 March 1684[/5]. > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com >

Here's another question for Adam Brouwer experts. In New York Historical Manuscripts, there is a list of passengers granted permission to board the ship Fort Albany for England and Amsterdam in 1670. A few entries later, there is what appears to be a passenger list of persons aboard Fort Albany. Does anyone know any more about this? Is this Adam Brouwer Berkhoven or another Adam Brower? I've been trying to track down every Adam Brouwer reference I can find and locate sources. There is a gap between his trouble with Gerrit Croesen in 1669 and his Brooklyn tax assessment in 1675. Thanks, Steve Brewer

Thanks Peter. This seems to be my luck. I'm missing a lot of records in Kentucky that got burnt during the civil war. Steve -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Christoph Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:19 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes The complete name of the series was Council Minutes and General Entries. Volumes 1 and 2 were general entries. Volume 2 contained 352 pages, of which 161 survived the State Capitol fire of 1911. The surviving pages were published in my first volume of General Entries but the charge of sedition was apparently on one of the lost pages. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes > It looks like CM, 1668-1783 starts with volume 3 so I'm looking for any > source that contains volume 2. > > On a side note, I've noticed that GOOGLE books is putting a lot of the > older books online. I had intended to get CM, 1668-1783 at the library > but found it online. Hopefully they'll get a few more of the older source > books available online. > > Thanks, > Steve > > ---- Steve Brewer <slbrewer@fuse.net> wrote: >> I'm hoping someone can identify a source for me. In Stiles' History of >> Brooklyn he mentions that Adam Brouwer was ordered arrested for seditious >> speeches and his source is listed as Council Minutes, ii.. I tried to >> look it up in Calendar of Council Minutes, 1668 - 1783 but this doesn't >> appear to be the correct source. Does anyone know what he's referring >> to? >> >> Thanks, >> Steve >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Howard, It appears to be 1667 which would have been three years after the British took over. I guess Adam wasn't a fan of British rule. This is also about the time (1668) he got in trouble with the Governor for not treating all his customers equally at his mill in Gowanus. Steve -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Swain Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 3:50 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes Dear Steve, Does Stiles say when this arrest occured? Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: "dutch-colonies: rootsweb.com" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Council Minutes > I'm hoping someone can identify a source for me. In Stiles' History of Brooklyn he mentions that Adam Brouwer was ordered arrested for seditious speeches and his source is listed as Council Minutes, ii.. I tried to look it up in Calendar of Council Minutes, 1668 - 1783 but this doesn't appear to be the correct source. Does anyone know what he's referring to? > > Thanks, > Steve ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index First Edition, Volume 3 O-Z. Edited by P. William Filby with Mary K. Meyer; shows Teunis Cornelis Slingerland coming to New Netherlands 1620-1664. My information says he came in 1654. the references from the Index have #9135 p 10 and on that source I have Michael Tepper, editor. Passengers to America: a Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists from The New England Historical and Geneaolgical Register. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1977. Reprinted with new indexes, 1978. Can I be sure that this person came within that time period (1654) but what was the name of the ship that he came on? Any comments would be appreciated. Ginny </HTML>