I've a family of De Harts - Elias of 1677 - Monmouth County NJ. Possibly same family. No Johns or Jonathans noted, but one Jannetje who might possibly have been named after her paternal (Elias) grandmother. Maybe a few hints if you'd like the a printout of the family group. Lou ----- Original Message ----- From: budge-wright<mailto:budge-wright@gbtel.ca> To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:58 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Hart and Forshee Hello everyone: I am looking for Jonathon/John Hart b. abt. 1769 who married Jannetje Forshee/Forshay b. abt. 1777 HAckensack, Bergen, New Jersey. Anyone who can help me find links to either of these two people....it would be greatly appreciated. thanks again Lynn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What list? I have done so much I am not sure who or what I have sent. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > Hi Donna, I don't think I got this list, but will keep checking. I jst > found a whole lot of New Bridge mail in my junk mail box--including stuff > I had sent! Glad I checked it for once instead of just emptying. > > Barbara > > Bill Forshay <billforshay@yahoo.com> wrote: > Donna: > > No problem. I went to Nancy's Demarest site and got all I can handle for > awhile. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Donna Stark wrote: I will be glad to help in any way I can but I could not > copy the whole > book. Sorry, Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Forshay" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:53 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > > >> Donna: >> >> Could you please send me a copy of the Demarest Supplement. I have >> Demarest in my collateral line and need some help with them. >> >> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >> billforshay@yahoo.com >> >> Donna Stark wrote: The Demarest Supplement to the >> second edition does not tell where the >> cemetery is. Have I sent the list to you? I sent it to several people but >> do not remember. I sent so many people the Rapalje yesterday and today. I >> just hope I got the article to everyone. Donna >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara de Mare" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ >> >> >>> Hi Donna, >>> >>> Do you know where the French Burying Ground is located? I live about 2 >>> miles from the New Bridge Landing, and never noticed a cemetery near it. >>> I frequently take my grandchildren there on the way home from church, as >>> the Hackensack River is tidal at that point and they like to look at the >>> mechanism of the swing bridge. They are also interested in Dutch houses. >>> >>> I recently passed both Demaree houses, and it occured to me that it is >>> the same name as Demarest if Demarest is given the proper French >>> pronunciation. It got me to wondering if it is also the same name as >>> mine >>> (or more accurately my ex-husband's), de Mare, just with an accent given >>> to the final "e." I know many French names were changed to sound more >>> Dutch when the families went to Holland, or Anglicized when they came >>> here. Does the book give any history of the Demarest family in France? >>> Despite having been divorced for almost 20 years, the de Mare family >>> still >>> expects me to be the genealogist for them, and when my frmer >>> father-in-law >>> died a couple of years ago I was given everything of genealofgical value >>> for safekeeping. >>> >>> Barbara (the NJ one) >>> >>> PS--it just occurred to me that I should add the de Mare family names to >>> my list. >>> >>> >>> Dutch (and Huguenot) ancestors: >>> >>> Abeel, Arents, Bancker, Barents, Baudartius, Bedlow, Beekman, Bradt, >>> Cornelisse, Cuvilve, Damiens, Daniels, de Boogh, de Draijere, de >>> Graaf, de Hooges, de Lanoy, de Peyster, d'Honneur, du Bois, Florisz, >>> Hendriks, Het, Horsner, Huygens, Jans, Janse, Jacobze, Karneels, >>> Keteltas, Kiersen, Lansing, Leusseler, Lubberts, Macque, Martsens, >>> Maynard, Meyer, Meyrinck, Nazareth, Ostrander, Pels, >>> Pietersz, Polhemus, Roosevelt, Rutgers, Samuels, >>> Sauzeau, Scheerburch, Schepmoes, Schuyler, Snyder, Stunning, Suydam, >>> Symons, Tjercks, Toll, Trijon, Tryon, Van Benschoten, Van Breestede, >>> Van Capelle, Van der Werven, Van Elburch, van Eps, Van Heyningen, Van >>> Rosenvelt, Van Rotmerz, Van Schoenderwoert, Van Slichtenhorst, van >>> Wagenen, van Wagner, van Wenckum, Van Wyck, Ver Planck, Vigne, Wiltsie >>> >>> Collateral Families of Particular Interest: Deyo, Freer, Livingston, >>> Roosa, Van Anstyne, Van Rennssalaer, >>> >>> >>> Palatine ancestors: Acker, Eacker, Finck, Hans, Herkimer, Loucks, >>> Petrie, >>> Starring, Schnell, Tonges, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>> 155 Polifly Road >>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>> (201) 567-9440 office >>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Donna Stark >>> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 12:58:39 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] RAPALJE, BERGEN, and MIDDAG families >>> >>> Hi, I found the book Supplement to the second edition "The Demarest >>> Family". >>> The first two pages have the "Frrench Burying Ground, New Bridge (New >>> Milford,) NJ. Transcriberd in 1902. Pub. 1971 >>> >>> I will sell this for $15 plus $2 postage. I keep running into books. I >>> am >>> not well and trying to get books where people will enjoy and use them. >>> This >>> one is like new. It is too bad, about 20 years ago I gave my hometown >>> library the blue set of books. I did not need both and now I wish I had >>> them >>> because I do not think anyone uses them. >>> >>> Donna >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >> with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. >> >> --------------------------------- >> 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time >> with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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When you figure out a system to keep track of questions and answers, let me know. I haven't figured it out! I would love a copy of this cemetery list. I hope to go there Sunday on the way home from church. Barbara Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 10:17:18 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ There is a list of people buried in the old French Cemetry and I have sent that to several people. There are a lot of Demarests there. That must be the list I was talking about. I must keep up better with my questions and answers. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > Hi Donna, > > I'm glad I'm not the only one who is confused. The list you mention in > this e-mail: > > > The Demarest Supplement to the >>> second edition does not tell where the >>> cemetery is. Have I sent the list to you? I sent it to several people >>> but >>> do not remember. I sent so many people the Rapalje yesterday and today. >>> I >>> just hope I got the article to everyone. Donna > > Barbara > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 8:37:07 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > > What list? I have done so much I am not sure who or what I have sent. > > Donna > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Donna, I'm glad I'm not the only one who is confused. The list you mention in this e-mail: The Demarest Supplement to the >> second edition does not tell where the >> cemetery is. Have I sent the list to you? I sent it to several people but >> do not remember. I sent so many people the Rapalje yesterday and today. I >> just hope I got the article to everyone. Donna Barbara ----- Original Message ---- From: Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 8:37:07 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ What list? I have done so much I am not sure who or what I have sent. Donna

Does anyone know how long it took a ship to get from the Netherlands to Brazil in the 1640s? I'm assuming it was at least a few months. Thanks, Steve

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Howard, Your lineup of the children of Caspar Varlet looks pretty good. There was also a Francina, who married Peter Heijbloem on 2 August 1642, Amsterdam. In Amsterdam marriage index, file #458, p. 128 there is: Francina Varlet, assisted by her father Casper Verlet, with Peter Heijbloem assisted by his father Francois Heijbloem. The full text of the marriage intentions would probably give Francina's age. I think Frans Heijbloem came to New Amsterdam --he appears in the NA baptism register: 1651 Jan 01; Nicolaes Verleth; Abraham; Abraham Verleth, Francosicus Heybloom, Judith Verleth > Also, in Amsterdam I found the bap. of Anneken, the daughter of > Daniel Verlet and Sara Stafmaker (the same wife the article shows) > on 19 June 1636. I wonder if she is the Anna Verlet who married > George Hack. Anna Varlet, the wife of George Hack, is Anna the daughter of Caspar. Anna Varlet and William are identified in records concerning Anna's purchase of a pinnace in New Amsterdam in 1652. This record of the sale is written rather awkwardly, but it shows that Anna is the sister of William Varlet, who is delivering the payment, while Nicholas, Anna's brother and Caspar, her father are putting up security. Here's the deal: "On 9 August 1652, Mrs. Anna Varlet the wife of Mr. George Hacke dwelling in Virginia as having power thereunto by letters from her said husband, she declared to have bought from the seller a certain pinnace named "The Fortune" lying at anchor at Amersterdam in the New Netherlands for the sum of 1300 guilders. The payment of the aforewritten moneys agreed upon the security as aforesaid is to make payment and the before written pinnace with the appertentions belonging thereunto the aforesaid is by William Varlett in the name and on the behalf of his sister the buyer thereof... securities Gespair Varlett and Nicholas Varlett" I think the citation I have for the above is incomplete --I have only: Northampton, VA Wills, Deeds, etc., Vol. 4:113. I think Anna was probably one of the oldest of Caspar's children. Revising your lineup: Abraham bp. 6 Oct 1616 in Utrecht --wit: Guillaume Tintenier, Magdaliene, wid. of Abraham Tintenier Nicholas Guillaume Francina, who married Peter Heijbloem on 2 August 1642, Amsterdam Anna wife of Joris/George Hack and later of Nicholas Boot Jannetje born in Utrecht [NA RDC marr. record] Marija bp. 7 Nov 1627 in Amsterdam Judit bp. 8 Nov 1629 in Amsterdam Catrijna bp. 2 Sept 1631 in Amsterdam Jacus bp. 24 Nov 1633 in Amsterdam Catrijna bp. 22 June 1636 in Amsterdam Sara bp. 1 May 1639 in Amsterdam Hope this helps. Best wishes, Liz J

Hello everyone: I am looking for Jonathon/John Hart b. abt. 1769 who married Jannetje Forshee/Forshay b. abt. 1777 HAckensack, Bergen, New Jersey. Anyone who can help me find links to either of these two people....it would be greatly appreciated. thanks again Lynn

Hi Steve, From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 2:31 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Travel time to Brazil > Does anyone know how long it took a ship to get from the Netherlands to Brazil in the 1640s? I'm assuming it was at least a few months. One actual journal of such a voyage has survived. It is the journal of the voyage that Jesse de Forest and Jean de le Montange made in 1623. This journal (probably kept by Montagne) is in vol. 2 of the book, A Walloon family in America : Lockwood de Forest and his forbears 1500-1848 : together with a voyage to Guiana : being the journal of Jesse de Forest and his colonists 1623-1625 which is available on line at HeritageQuest. They left Texel on 16 July 1623 [p. 191]. But they didn't leave Plymouth until 31 August [p. 199]. They arrived at the mouth of the Amazon on 20 October 1623. [p. 223] So, 50 days. You can read the whole thing to see if they had good winds or bad. Based on times from the Netherlands to New Netherland, I would have guessed about 2 months; so I think their voyage was in the range to be expected. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hi Donna, I don't think I got this list, but will keep checking. I jst found a whole lot of New Bridge mail in my junk mail box--including stuff I had sent! Glad I checked it for once instead of just emptying. Barbara Bill Forshay <billforshay@yahoo.com> wrote: Donna: No problem. I went to Nancy's Demarest site and got all I can handle for awhile. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna Stark wrote: I will be glad to help in any way I can but I could not copy the whole book. Sorry, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > Donna: > > Could you please send me a copy of the Demarest Supplement. I have > Demarest in my collateral line and need some help with them. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > billforshay@yahoo.com > > Donna Stark wrote: The Demarest Supplement to the > second edition does not tell where the > cemetery is. Have I sent the list to you? I sent it to several people but > do not remember. I sent so many people the Rapalje yesterday and today. I > just hope I got the article to everyone. Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara de Mare" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > > >> Hi Donna, >> >> Do you know where the French Burying Ground is located? I live about 2 >> miles from the New Bridge Landing, and never noticed a cemetery near it. >> I frequently take my grandchildren there on the way home from church, as >> the Hackensack River is tidal at that point and they like to look at the >> mechanism of the swing bridge. They are also interested in Dutch houses. >> >> I recently passed both Demaree houses, and it occured to me that it is >> the same name as Demarest if Demarest is given the proper French >> pronunciation. It got me to wondering if it is also the same name as >> mine >> (or more accurately my ex-husband's), de Mare, just with an accent given >> to the final "e." I know many French names were changed to sound more >> Dutch when the families went to Holland, or Anglicized when they came >> here. Does the book give any history of the Demarest family in France? >> Despite having been divorced for almost 20 years, the de Mare family >> still >> expects me to be the genealogist for them, and when my frmer >> father-in-law >> died a couple of years ago I was given everything of genealofgical value >> for safekeeping. >> >> Barbara (the NJ one) >> >> PS--it just occurred to me that I should add the de Mare family names to >> my list. >> >> >> Dutch (and Huguenot) ancestors: >> >> Abeel, Arents, Bancker, Barents, Baudartius, Bedlow, Beekman, Bradt, >> Cornelisse, Cuvilve, Damiens, Daniels, de Boogh, de Draijere, de >> Graaf, de Hooges, de Lanoy, de Peyster, d'Honneur, du Bois, Florisz, >> Hendriks, Het, Horsner, Huygens, Jans, Janse, Jacobze, Karneels, >> Keteltas, Kiersen, Lansing, Leusseler, Lubberts, Macque, Martsens, >> Maynard, Meyer, Meyrinck, Nazareth, Ostrander, Pels, >> Pietersz, Polhemus, Roosevelt, Rutgers, Samuels, >> Sauzeau, Scheerburch, Schepmoes, Schuyler, Snyder, Stunning, Suydam, >> Symons, Tjercks, Toll, Trijon, Tryon, Van Benschoten, Van Breestede, >> Van Capelle, Van der Werven, Van Elburch, van Eps, Van Heyningen, Van >> Rosenvelt, Van Rotmerz, Van Schoenderwoert, Van Slichtenhorst, van >> Wagenen, van Wagner, van Wenckum, Van Wyck, Ver Planck, Vigne, Wiltsie >> >> Collateral Families of Particular Interest: Deyo, Freer, Livingston, >> Roosa, Van Anstyne, Van Rennssalaer, >> >> >> Palatine ancestors: Acker, Eacker, Finck, Hans, Herkimer, Loucks, >> Petrie, >> Starring, Schnell, Tonges, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >> Historian, genealogist and attorney >> 155 Polifly Road >> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >> (201) 567-9440 office >> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Donna Stark >> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 12:58:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] RAPALJE, BERGEN, and MIDDAG families >> >> Hi, I found the book Supplement to the second edition "The Demarest >> Family". >> The first two pages have the "Frrench Burying Ground, New Bridge (New >> Milford,) NJ. Transcriberd in 1902. Pub. 1971 >> >> I will sell this for $15 plus $2 postage. I keep running into books. I am >> not well and trying to get books where people will enjoy and use them. >> This >> one is like new. It is too bad, about 20 years ago I gave my hometown >> library the blue set of books. I did not need both and now I wish I had >> them >> because I do not think anyone uses them. >> >> Donna >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Hi all, I recently took another look at the Casper Verlet family. (Also, Varlet and maybe Verleth or Varleth) Recall our last discussion here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/2007-03/1173120928 and see links to the follow-on messages at the bottom What's new is I've now searched the online Amsterdam baptisms at: http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html Casper Verlet m., in Utrecht, Judith Tintenier on 17 Oct 1615. [NYGBR 71:118] Children: Abraham bp. 6 Oct 1616 in Utrecht [see Liz'es message of 5 Mar 2007] wit: Guillaume Tintenier, Magdaliene, wid. of Abraham Tintenier Nicholas Guillaume Jannetje born in Utrecht [NA RDC marr. record] Marija bp. 7 Nov 1627 in Amsterdam Judit bp. 8 Nov 1629 in Amsterdam Catrijna bp. 2 Sept 1631 in Amsterdam Jacus bp. 24 Nov 1633 in Amsterdam Catrijna bp. 22 June 1636 in Amsterdam Sara bp. 1 May 1639 in Amsterdam For now, I'd assume Nicholas and Guillaume were born in Utrect. According to the above Record article, Casper was the son of a Nicholas. That sons Nicholas and Guillaume are in this family has been discussed here before. Also, Caspar had a brother named Daniel (above article). Also, in Amsterdam I found the bap. of Anneken, the daughter of Daniel Verlet and Sara Stafmaker (the same wife the article shows) on 19 June 1636. I wonder if she is the Anna Verlet who married George Hack. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Do you have the Shaker Books. I have "The People Called Shakers". I am getting rid of many of my books. I plan to take this to the Dutch Cousins in Shelbyville in Sept. YOu have all the same names that I have . I also have the huge Boone Book that I am wanting to sell. I will take it to the Reunion in Sept. I also plan to make pictures of John Calvin and the Vories Bros. and take them. I need to check and see how many are going to be there and how many might want pictures. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: "Dutch -" <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... > was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's > family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last > name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts > that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a > bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I > could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, > but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at > the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest > daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel > Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of > her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta > 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. > > For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in > celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into > Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the > records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were > indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly > Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that > line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York > County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now > eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share > with anyone interested. > > Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the > appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for > the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a > genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, > visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white > hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. > > My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, > Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, > Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my > Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, > through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. > > On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor > a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for > problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, > northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he > explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of > optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then > explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the > doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry > many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates > where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no > flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were > rare instead of not common. HA! > > Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue > eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. > Interesting. > > Barbara Whiteside > http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I do have the People Called Shakers and it is by a recognized authority on Shakers and quite interesting...which Boone book do you have? I might be interested in it if it is on my have to have list. I do want copies of the photos if you don't mind....am planning to go but have not sent in info yet..waiting on my cousin in VA to let me know her plans. Barb Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> wrote: Do you have the Shaker Books. I have "The People Called Shakers". I am getting rid of many of my books. I plan to take this to the Dutch Cousins in Shelbyville in Sept. YOu have all the same names that I have . I also have the huge Boone Book that I am wanting to sell. I will take it to the Reunion in Sept. I also plan to make pictures of John Calvin and the Vories Bros. and take them. I need to check and see how many are going to be there and how many might want pictures. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" To: "Dutch -" Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] How I found I was Dutch... > was a huge surprise. I was told at age ten by my dad that his mother's > family were in Kentucky VERY early, were French Huguenots and the last > name was Montfort. It took forever to dig through to find the Montforts > that were mine....with them joining the Shakers in 1805-1806 creating a > bit of a trial in finding them. I knew the oldest one, in my line that I > could find, was probably the son of Francis and Charity Banta Montfort Sr, > but could not prove it till I discovered the original Shaker journals at > the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, KY. Charity was the youngest > daughter of the marriage of Hendrick Banta 3rd and his first wife, Rachel > Brower. Charity's son Francis Montfort Jr, would marry the daughter of > her half brother, John Banta, son of the second marriage of Hendrick Banta > 3rd to Antie Demarest. Confused? I was for awhile. > > For those who are not familiar with the Shakers, they believed in > celibacy and splitting apart families that joined...putting them into > Shaker 'Families". For DAR my cousin and I had to prove through the > records and journals kept by the Shakers, that three small children were > indeed the children of Francis Montfort Jr and his wife/cousin, Polly > Banta Montfort. We were able to prove it to their satisfaction and that > line was entered into the rolls of Rev War soldiers serving from York > County, PA. If you are a descendant of Francis Montfort Sr, you are now > eligilble for membership in DAR through his line and I am happy to share > with anyone interested. > > Through the Montfort-Banta line, I have enough Dutch to give me the > appearance of a little old Dutch lady of the house...just don't look for > the cleaniless is next to Godliness in my own home....someone mentioned a > genetic trait for housekeeping...I don't have it either. I did, however, > visit Holland, MI and was told I must be Dutch, with my blondish/white > hair, fair skin, and very light blue eyes. > > My lines include, Banta, Montfort, Terhune, Riker, deTruiex, Demarest, > Seubering, Stryker, Brinckerhoff, Sohier, dePlanck, Fonda, Samuels, > Helling/Hendrickse, Bricker, Brower, etc, For good measure, my > Montfort/Banta line married into the family of Boones, Squire and Daniel, > through their eldest sister, Sarah Boone Wilcoxson. > > On the eyes, I learned something interesting at a visit to my eye doctor > a couple of years ago. As he was checking inside the eye for > problems...he asked if my ancestry was northern European and I said Dutch, > northern France...etc...he said he knew it. When I asked how, he > explained my eyes were what they called true blue in the field of > optometry...jokingly I said...yeah, couldn't get any bluer. He then > explained that most people with blue eyes have flecks of color when the > doctor inspects the inner eye but people of northern European ancestry > many times have no flecks....that is called true blue...and it indicates > where your ancestors are from. Its not rare, but not a common to have no > flecks...and being a bit on the eccentric side anyway, did wish it were > rare instead of not common. HA! > > Anyway just a bit of trivia to share. I did have the notion of true blue > eyes confirmed by another eye doctor and was told the same thing. > Interesting. > > Barbara Whiteside > http://bar-b-k.tripod.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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Donna: No, I didn't get either. Did you email them? N ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Stark Date: Sunday, April 8, 2007 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Articles To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Did you get both? Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:09 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Articles > > > > Donna, > > > > I'd like to see the Rapalje and Vreeland. Thanks very much. > > > > Nancy > > > >

Donna, I'd like to see the Rapalje and Vreeland. Thanks very much. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Stark Date: Sunday, April 8, 2007 1:22 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Articles To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Did I miss anyone on Rapalje, Vreeland or Middaugh? I have had > so many I may have missed some. Let me know. I will soon have > more. I have a Peeke but have not sent it yet. Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I had posted in this thread about a mention of Lambert Huyberts and Huybert Lamberts MOLL, quoted from an article written in Dutch. Upon further reflection, I would like to revise one of my comments now. I wrote: > ...There is a website which discusses > Lambert Huybertsz Moll and his family --parents as well as children. > Among the mass of ideas presented there is a reference to some > documents which can be found in archives of Amersfoort, ca 1618 to the > 1630's. > > One of these documents was quoted as saying: > "Immers, op 8 januari 1631 wordt een Lambert Huybertsz Moll, > scheepstimmerman en boer op Long Eylandt genoemd, in wie wij wel een > zoon van dit echtpaar mogen herkennen." > > --which was translated as: > "For, on Jan 8th, 1631, a certain Lambert Huybertsz Moll, > shipcarpenter and farmer on Long Island (Eylandt) is mentioned and > recognized as a son of this couple." > > I mainly agree with the translation... I still mostly agree with this translation, except I had failed to notice the modifier in here, "mogen" which means 'may,' 'might.' So the sentence would be more accurately translated: BECAUSE [[of whatever preceded this sentence]] on Jan 8th, 1631, ONE Lambert Huybertsz Moll, shipcarpenter and farmer on Long Island (Eylandt) is mentioned, IN WHOM WE MAY WELL recognize a son of this couple." In English this is a little awkward but is now more accurate. This does not change the concept that Hubert Lambertsz Moll and Geertgen Cornelisdr are thought to be the parents of Lambert Huyberts Moll, but the writer is hedging the bet just a little. If the author had been 100% certain, s/he would have said that Lambert Huybertsz Moll "IS en zoon van dit echtpaar." And so I wanted to make this clarification. Also someone inquired about my use of a family name "van Schaick" in connection with Hubert Lambertsz Moll's wife, Geertgen Cornelisdr. I hadn't filtered that out either --that notion came from the online article. I have no information which either supports or disproves this family name in connection with Geertgen Cornelisdr. So I am just correcting the archives here too. That's all for now, Liz J

Did you get both? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <nancyterhune@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Articles > Donna, > > I'd like to see the Rapalje and Vreeland. Thanks very much. > > Nancy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Donna Stark > Date: Sunday, April 8, 2007 1:22 pm > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Articles > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > >> Did I miss anyone on Rapalje, Vreeland or Middaugh? I have had >> so many I may have missed some. Let me know. I will soon have >> more. I have a Peeke but have not sent it yet. Donna >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Did I miss anyone on Rapalje, Vreeland or Middaugh? I have had so many I may have missed some. Let me know. I will soon have more. I have a Peeke but have not sent it yet. Donna

Thanks. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <billforshay@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ > Glee: > > The site is: http://www.demarests.com/origins/origins1.html > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Glee Krapf <gleek@ptd.net> wrote: I must have missed something here. > Please what is the stie addres of Nancy's > Demarest site?\Like to check it out. > Thank you, > Glee > > No problem. I went to Nancy's Demarest site and got all I can >>> handle for awhile. >>> >>> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Donna Stark wrote: I will be glad to help in any >>> way I can but I could not copy the whole >>> book. Sorry, Donna >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bill Forshay" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 8:53 PM >>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ >>> >>> >>>> Donna: >>>> >>>> Could you please send me a copy of the Demarest Supplement. I have >>>> Demarest in my collateral line and need some help with them. >>>> >>>> Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>> billforshay@yahoo.com >>>> >>>> Donna Stark wrote: The Demarest Supplement to the >>>> second edition does not tell where the >>>> cemetery is. Have I sent the list to you? I sent it to several people >>>> but >>>> do not remember. I sent so many people the Rapalje yesterday and today. >>>> I >>>> just hope I got the article to everyone. Donna >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Barbara de Mare" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 6:14 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Bridge, NJ >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>> >>>>> Do you know where the French Burying Ground is located? I live about >>>>> 2 >>>>> miles from the New Bridge Landing, and never noticed a cemetery near >>>>> it. >>>>> I frequently take my grandchildren there on the way home from church, >>>>> as >>>>> the Hackensack River is tidal at that point and they like to look at >>>>> the >>>>> mechanism of the swing bridge. They are also interested in Dutch >>>>> houses. >>>>> >>>>> I recently passed both Demaree houses, and it occured to me that it >>>>> is >>>>> the same name as Demarest if Demarest is given the proper French >>>>> pronunciation. It got me to wondering if it is also the same name as >>>>> mine >>>>> (or more accurately my ex-husband's), de Mare, just with an accent >>>>> given >>>>> to the final "e." I know many French names were changed to sound more >>>>> Dutch when the families went to Holland, or Anglicized when they came >>>>> here. Does the book give any history of the Demarest family in >>>>> France? >>>>> Despite having been divorced for almost 20 years, the de Mare family >>>>> still >>>>> expects me to be the genealogist for them, and when my frmer >>>>> father-in-law >>>>> died a couple of years ago I was given everything of genealofgical >>>>> value >>>>> for safekeeping. >>>>> >>>>> Barbara (the NJ one) >>>>> >>>>> PS--it just occurred to me that I should add the de Mare family names >>>>> to >>>>> my list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dutch (and Huguenot) ancestors: >>>>> >>>>> Abeel, Arents, Bancker, Barents, Baudartius, Bedlow, Beekman, Bradt, >>>>> Cornelisse, Cuvilve, Damiens, Daniels, de Boogh, de Draijere, de >>>>> Graaf, de Hooges, de Lanoy, de Peyster, d'Honneur, du Bois, Florisz, >>>>> Hendriks, Het, Horsner, Huygens, Jans, Janse, Jacobze, Karneels, >>>>> Keteltas, Kiersen, Lansing, Leusseler, Lubberts, Macque, Martsens, >>>>> Maynard, Meyer, Meyrinck, Nazareth, Ostrander, Pels, >>>>> Pietersz, Polhemus, Roosevelt, Rutgers, Samuels, >>>>> Sauzeau, Scheerburch, Schepmoes, Schuyler, Snyder, Stunning, Suydam, >>>>> Symons, Tjercks, Toll, Trijon, Tryon, Van Benschoten, Van Breestede, >>>>> Van Capelle, Van der Werven, Van Elburch, van Eps, Van Heyningen, Van >>>>> Rosenvelt, Van Rotmerz, Van Schoenderwoert, Van Slichtenhorst, van >>>>> Wagenen, van Wagner, van Wenckum, Van Wyck, Ver Planck, Vigne, Wiltsie >>>>> >>>>> Collateral Families of Particular Interest: Deyo, Freer, Livingston, >>>>> Roosa, Van Anstyne, Van Rennssalaer, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Palatine ancestors: Acker, Eacker, Finck, Hans, Herkimer, Loucks, >>>>> Petrie, >>>>> Starring, Schnell, Tonges, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >>>>> Historian, genealogist and attorney >>>>> 155 Polifly Road >>>>> Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 >>>>> (201) 567-9440 office >>>>> BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) >>>>> http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>>> From: Donna Stark >>>>> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >>>>> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 12:58:39 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] RAPALJE, BERGEN, and MIDDAG families >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I found the book Supplement to the second edition "The Demarest >>>>> Family". >>>>> The first two pages have the "Frrench Burying Ground, New Bridge (New >>>>> Milford,) NJ. Transcriberd in 1902. Pub. 1971 >>>>> >>>>> I will sell this for $15 plus $2 postage. I keep running into books. I >>>>> am >>>>> not well and trying to get books where people will enjoy and use them. >>>>> This >>>>> one is like new. It is too bad, about 20 years ago I gave my hometown >>>>> library the blue set of books. 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----- Original Message ----- From: <SellanaBelle@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 1:56 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fwd: Rapalje, Bergen report > May I have a copy of this please? Thank you > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >