I have tons of information on Maria, just not that much on the children of her first marriage. She was one of my favorite ancestors. A true original, who caused trouble for everyone. Jacobus was very pius and his Mom drove him nuts. All of her children turned out well.

Hi Donna Stark, I have the wife of Arnout Cornelise Viele as Gerretje Gerretse Vermenlen. She was born about 1643 in New York. She married Arnout Cornelise Viele about 1661. I have 4 children for them. Pieter Cornelise Viele is my 8th great grandfather. He married Jacomyntje Swart about 1669. I have 6 children for them. I have some ifformation about these families on my website at www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/ Richard

I have Geertje Dircks, d/o Dirck Volckertszen and Christina Vigne married three time: Jan Hermensen Shut 26 Dec 1649, Jan Nagel 8 Sep 1652 and Barent Gerritszen [Flaesbeeck] Van Swoll 11 Mar 1657/8-All NY DRC. There is an article in the NYG&BR 95:130 by Mrs. John Spell titled "A Career Woman in Seventeenth Century New York". I have not worked on this line for many, many years but I have a note that Mrs. Spell has information about the third husband mixed up with another Barent Gerritszen. Ann Andersen >From: dutch-colonies-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 2, Issue 188 >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:04:08 -0600 > > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Geertje Dircks parents (Chris Schopfer) > 2. Re: Geertje Dircks parents (Thomas Hochuli) > 3. Re: Geertje Dircks parents (Donna Stark) > 4. Re: Geertje Dircks parents (Donna Stark) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:27:38 -0500 >From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents >To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <be2257120704181527v39d45574radaba60fd62d96c7@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, Barb: > >I can't say I know anything about Dirck, either, except that some details >and references are shown at >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rclarke/page3/volckert.htm. I >can't >vouch for any of the information, and haven't viewed the references. > >Chris > >On 4/18/07, Barbara Terhune <batcave@695online.com> wrote: > > > > Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! > > The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically NOT > > the > > d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. > > > > I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune > > lines of > > Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for Geertje's parents >- > > but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen > > and Christina Vigne. > > > > Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. > > > > I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and > > Christina Vigne. > > and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts > > ...PLEASE! > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > Glee Krapf wrote: > > > > >The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her > > >parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and > > >Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 > > and > > >then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced >haveing > > >children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to >find > > >info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in >the > > >right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. > > >Thank you, > > >Glee > > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:52:57 -0400 >From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents >To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <000801c781ea$c7c18f70$1302a8c0@yourxhtr8hvc4p> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I suspect it is Volckerson.. That would be a descendent of Maria DuTrieux >and her first husband..Cornelis Volckers Viele.. They had Aernoudt born 27 >May 1640. He married Gerritje Gerritse and Cornelis Viele who married a >Suster?, Jacomyntje and Pieter 9 Feb 1648. I descend through Marias second >Husband Jan Peek, so have no more information than this on her earlier >children by Volckerson. > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:15:28 -0400 >From: "Donna Stark" <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents >To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <009f01c78217$d5b13e50$494676cc@D2JJ4771> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Do you have the info from the "Pre-Revolutionary Houses"? There are several >pages in this book and I will send them if you do not have. Donna >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> >To: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> >Cc: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:18 PM >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents > > > > You're right of course, as Cynthia Zuber and ECC123@aol.com so clearly > > demonstrated > > in their messages. Thank you, both, for your help. Yet another > > candidate couple bites the dust! > > > > It's apparent that Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne were > > PEERS of Albert and Geertje (Dirckx) Terhune, > > not nearly old enough to bee Geerjte's parents and having children in > > the same time-frame. > > > > Many thanks, > > Barb > > > > > > > > Glee Krapf wrote: > > > >> Geertje was born about 1630-31 or so because she married Albert > >> Albertse Terhune abt 1647. Is this too early for her to be the > >> daughter of > >> Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne? I know nothing about > >> this couple also. > >> Boy am I a big help! > >> Glee > >> > >> > >>> Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! > >>> The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically > >>> NOT the > >>> d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. > >>> > >>> I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune > >>> lines of Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for > >>> Geertje's parents - > >>> but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck > >>> Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne. > >>> > >>> Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. > >>> > >>> I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and > >>> Christina Vigne. > >>> and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts > >>> ...PLEASE! > >>> > >>> Barb > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Glee Krapf wrote: > >>> > >>>> The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her > >>>> parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and > >>>> Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt > >>>> 1642 and then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and > >>>> commenced haveing children the next year. This math just does not > >>>> work out. I tried to find info on her in the archives but found > >>>> nothing. Maybe I did not put in the right search words. Could one of > >>>> you kind souls help me out. > >>>> Thank you, > >>>> Glee > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:54:47 -0400 >From: "Donna Stark" <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents >To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001001c7821d$541c45f0$494676cc@D2JJ4771> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >In the Flagon and Trencher it gives the name of her son, Jacobus, with whom >she lived in Schenectady and probably died. There are 3 pages describing >her >marriage to Cornelis Volckertsen Viele, who died in 1648. She then married >Jan Peeck. If anyone would like to have this info I can scan and send. >Donna >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> >To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:52 PM >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents > > > >I suspect it is Volckerson.. That would be a descendent of Maria DuTrieux > > and her first husband..Cornelis Volckers Viele.. They had Aernoudt born >27 > > May 1640. He married Gerritje Gerritse and Cornelis Viele who married a > > Suster?, Jacomyntje and Pieter 9 Feb 1648. 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In the Flagon and Trencher it gives the name of her son, Jacobus, with whom she lived in Schenectady and probably died. There are 3 pages describing her marriage to Cornelis Volckertsen Viele, who died in 1648. She then married Jan Peeck. If anyone would like to have this info I can scan and send. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents >I suspect it is Volckerson.. That would be a descendent of Maria DuTrieux > and her first husband..Cornelis Volckers Viele.. They had Aernoudt born 27 > May 1640. He married Gerritje Gerritse and Cornelis Viele who married a > Suster?, Jacomyntje and Pieter 9 Feb 1648. I descend through Marias second > Husband Jan Peek, so have no more information than this on her earlier > children by Volckerson. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Do you have the info from the "Pre-Revolutionary Houses"? There are several pages in this book and I will send them if you do not have. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Terhune" <batcave@695online.com> To: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> Cc: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents > You're right of course, as Cynthia Zuber and ECC123@aol.com so clearly > demonstrated > in their messages. Thank you, both, for your help. Yet another > candidate couple bites the dust! > > It's apparent that Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne were > PEERS of Albert and Geertje (Dirckx) Terhune, > not nearly old enough to bee Geerjte's parents and having children in > the same time-frame. > > Many thanks, > Barb > > > > Glee Krapf wrote: > >> Geertje was born about 1630-31 or so because she married Albert >> Albertse Terhune abt 1647. Is this too early for her to be the >> daughter of >> Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne? I know nothing about >> this couple also. >> Boy am I a big help! >> Glee >> >> >>> Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! >>> The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically >>> NOT the >>> d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. >>> >>> I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune >>> lines of Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for >>> Geertje's parents - >>> but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck >>> Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne. >>> >>> Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. >>> >>> I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and >>> Christina Vigne. >>> and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts >>> ...PLEASE! >>> >>> Barb >>> >>> >>> >>> Glee Krapf wrote: >>> >>>> The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her >>>> parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and >>>> Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt >>>> 1642 and then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and >>>> commenced haveing children the next year. This math just does not >>>> work out. I tried to find info on her in the archives but found >>>> nothing. Maybe I did not put in the right search words. Could one of >>>> you kind souls help me out. >>>> Thank you, >>>> Glee >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi, Barb: I can't say I know anything about Dirck, either, except that some details and references are shown at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rclarke/page3/volckert.htm. I can't vouch for any of the information, and haven't viewed the references. Chris On 4/18/07, Barbara Terhune <batcave@695online.com> wrote: > > Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! > The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically NOT > the > d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. > > I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune > lines of > Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for Geertje's parents - > but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen > and Christina Vigne. > > Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. > > I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and > Christina Vigne. > and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts > ...PLEASE! > > Barb > > > > Glee Krapf wrote: > > >The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her > >parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and > >Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 > and > >then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing > >children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find > >info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the > >right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. > >Thank you, > >Glee > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You're right of course, as Cynthia Zuber and ECC123@aol.com so clearly demonstrated in their messages. Thank you, both, for your help. Yet another candidate couple bites the dust! It's apparent that Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne were PEERS of Albert and Geertje (Dirckx) Terhune, not nearly old enough to bee Geerjte's parents and having children in the same time-frame. Many thanks, Barb Glee Krapf wrote: > Geertje was born about 1630-31 or so because she married Albert > Albertse Terhune abt 1647. Is this too early for her to be the > daughter of > Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne? I know nothing about > this couple also. > Boy am I a big help! > Glee > > >> Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! >> The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically >> NOT the >> d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. >> >> I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune >> lines of Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for >> Geertje's parents - >> but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck >> Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne. >> >> Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. >> >> I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and >> Christina Vigne. >> and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts >> ...PLEASE! >> >> Barb >> >> >> >> Glee Krapf wrote: >> >>> The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her >>> parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and >>> Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt >>> 1642 and then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and >>> commenced haveing children the next year. This math just does not >>> work out. I tried to find info on her in the archives but found >>> nothing. Maybe I did not put in the right search words. Could one of >>> you kind souls help me out. >>> Thank you, >>> Glee >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > >

Geertje was born about 1630-31 or so because she married Albert Albertse Terhune abt 1647. Is this too early for her to be the daughter of Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne? I know nothing about this couple also. Boy am I a big help! Glee > Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! > The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically NOT > the > d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. > > I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune lines > of Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for Geertje's > parents - > but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen > and Christina Vigne. > > Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. > > I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina > Vigne. > and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts > ...PLEASE! > > Barb > > > > Glee Krapf wrote: > >>The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her >>parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and >>Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and >>then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing >>children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find >>info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the >>right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. >>Thank you, >>Glee >> ------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> > >

Has anyone sorted out the Dircx family in NN? There is also an Immetjie Dircx circa 1654. With the toal population only a few hundred, one would think these people might be connected. Unless Dircx is like "Smith". Peter Van Dyke Wilde ----- Original Message ----- From: <ECC123@aol.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertie Dircks Grietje Dircx Geertruyd DircksDirck Volkertszen; > > > > DRC Baptisms 1643 > 15 Nov; Dirck Volkertszen; Volckert; Cornelis Tienhoven-secretaris, Jans > Janszen dam, Philip Graer, Marie Philips > DRC Baptisms 164? > 14 Dec; Roelandt Hack Wardt; Jan; Abraham Isaac Planck, Christina Vynen and > husband, Van Dirck de Noorman > DRC Baptims 1650 > 21 Aug; Dirck Volkertszen; Ariaentje ; Jan Vinge, Claes Corszen, Lysbeth > Cregiers, Aefje Van Tienhoven > DRC Baptims 1653 > 7 Dec; Dirck Volckertszen; Janneken; Abraham Planck, zen Noorman, Abrahams > > _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_baptisms_1639-1730.htm_ > (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_baptisms_1639-1730.htm) > Baptisms > 1641 Sep 08; Dirck Volckertszen; Rachel; Abraham Isacszen Planck, Laurens > Pieterszen, Adriana Van Tienhoven > > 1654 Feb 04; Cornelis Hendrickszen; Marritje; Jan Vinge, Maria Geleyn, > Grietie Dircks? > 1658 Jun 22; Cornelis Gerlofs, Geertie Dircks; Catharyn; Johannes Ver Veelen, > Grietie Maes > 1658 Sep 04; Jan Adamszen Metselaaer, Grietje Dircx; Sebastiaen; Timotheus > Gabry, Annetje Harmens > 1658 Dec 04; Barent Gerritszen, Gerritje Dircx; Margariet; Claertie Van > Crieckenbeeck > 1659 Nov 26; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircks; Geertie; Dirck Siecken, > Claertie Ebels > 1661 Sep 11; Cornelis Gerlofszen, Geertie Dircx; Christyntie; Salomon la > Chaire, Magdaleentie Hans > > 1662 Aug 28; Jan Adamszen Metslaer, Geertie Dircks; Abraham; Stephen Croesen, > Hendrickje Stephens > > > 1662 Oct 15; David De Voor, Jannetie Frans; Pieter; Anthonius Soldaet, > Geertie Dircx > > 1665 Jan 14; Jan Adamszen, Geertie Dircks; Maria; Steven Courtszen, Agniet > Lodovyckszen > > > 1666 Sep 12; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircks; Barbertie; Cornelis Mathyszen, > Willemtje Joosten > > > 1668 Aug 05; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircx; Jacobus; Roelof Albertszen, > Cornelis Lodovyckszen, Catharine Boots > > > 1669 Dec 05; Cornelis Mathyszen, Barentje Dircks; Hendrick; Hendrick Bosch, > Geertruyd Dircx > > > == > > > _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_marriages_1639-1801.htm_ > (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_marriages_1639-1801.htm) > Marriages > > 1652 22 Set; Jan Nagel, van Limburg; Grietje Dircx, wid Jan Schut > 1658 11 May; Barent Gerritszen, van Swol in Overyssel; Grietje Dircks, wid > Jan Nagel > 1669 07 Jul; Lubbert Gerritszen, wid Grietje Dircks; Femmetje Coenraets, wid > Hendrick Carstens > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Howard et al, The Burghers and Freeman has been on-line, included in the Making of America series at the University of Michigan. http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;type=simple;rgn=subject;q1=New%20York%20%28State%29%20--%20History Unfortunately, the list of books that appears are all titled "The John Watts DePeyster Publication Fund series." Vol. #'s 1-56, and it takes some sleuthing to find each title page, or the subject of each. They are all from the Collections of the New York Historical Society series. Burghers and Freemen happens to be Volume 18, but I have not taken the time to discover (yet) just what is included in all the other volumes. Hope this helps. Regards, Pam Sears

DRC Baptisms 1643 15 Nov; Dirck Volkertszen; Volckert; Cornelis Tienhoven-secretaris, Jans Janszen dam, Philip Graer, Marie Philips DRC Baptisms 164? 14 Dec; Roelandt Hack Wardt; Jan; Abraham Isaac Planck, Christina Vynen and husband, Van Dirck de Noorman DRC Baptims 1650 21 Aug; Dirck Volkertszen; Ariaentje ; Jan Vinge, Claes Corszen, Lysbeth Cregiers, Aefje Van Tienhoven DRC Baptims 1653 7 Dec; Dirck Volckertszen; Janneken; Abraham Planck, zen Noorman, Abrahams _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_baptisms_1639-1730.htm_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_baptisms_1639-1730.htm) Baptisms 1641 Sep 08; Dirck Volckertszen; Rachel; Abraham Isacszen Planck, Laurens Pieterszen, Adriana Van Tienhoven 1654 Feb 04; Cornelis Hendrickszen; Marritje; Jan Vinge, Maria Geleyn, Grietie Dircks? 1658 Jun 22; Cornelis Gerlofs, Geertie Dircks; Catharyn; Johannes Ver Veelen, Grietie Maes 1658 Sep 04; Jan Adamszen Metselaaer, Grietje Dircx; Sebastiaen; Timotheus Gabry, Annetje Harmens 1658 Dec 04; Barent Gerritszen, Gerritje Dircx; Margariet; Claertie Van Crieckenbeeck 1659 Nov 26; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircks; Geertie; Dirck Siecken, Claertie Ebels 1661 Sep 11; Cornelis Gerlofszen, Geertie Dircx; Christyntie; Salomon la Chaire, Magdaleentie Hans 1662 Aug 28; Jan Adamszen Metslaer, Geertie Dircks; Abraham; Stephen Croesen, Hendrickje Stephens 1662 Oct 15; David De Voor, Jannetie Frans; Pieter; Anthonius Soldaet, Geertie Dircx 1665 Jan 14; Jan Adamszen, Geertie Dircks; Maria; Steven Courtszen, Agniet Lodovyckszen 1666 Sep 12; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircks; Barbertie; Cornelis Mathyszen, Willemtje Joosten 1668 Aug 05; Jan Adamszen, Geertruyd Dircx; Jacobus; Roelof Albertszen, Cornelis Lodovyckszen, Catharine Boots 1669 Dec 05; Cornelis Mathyszen, Barentje Dircks; Hendrick; Hendrick Bosch, Geertruyd Dircx == _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_marriages_1639-1801.htm_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~rbillard/na_marriages_1639-1801.htm) Marriages 1652 22 Set; Jan Nagel, van Limburg; Grietje Dircx, wid Jan Schut 1658 11 May; Barent Gerritszen, van Swol in Overyssel; Grietje Dircks, wid Jan Nagel 1669 07 Jul; Lubbert Gerritszen, wid Grietje Dircks; Femmetje Coenraets, wid Hendrick Carstens ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I suspect it is Volckerson.. That would be a descendent of Maria DuTrieux and her first husband..Cornelis Volckers Viele.. They had Aernoudt born 27 May 1640. He married Gerritje Gerritse and Cornelis Viele who married a Suster?, Jacomyntje and Pieter 9 Feb 1648. I descend through Marias second Husband Jan Peek, so have no more information than this on her earlier children by Volckerson.

Glad to see I'm not the ONLY one interested in Terhune research ! The ONLY thing we know for CERTAIN is that Geertje was emphatically NOT the d/o Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Femmetje Jans Seals. I am presently working on a paper that involves the earliest Terhune lines of Flatlands/Gravesend. I have a "contender" couple for Geertje's parents - but that is ALL it is - conjecture, to wit: Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne. Geertje and Albert named one daughter Styntje born c1655. I know absolutely nothing about Dirck Holgerson/Volkertsen and Christina Vigne. and would appreciate the input of some of our fabulous D-C expenrts ...PLEASE! Barb Glee Krapf wrote: >The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her >parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and >Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and >then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing >children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find >info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the >right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. >Thank you, >Glee > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

I'm looking over New Amsterdam land records and am curious if anyone knows what "free drop on both sides" refers to in the following sentence, "Width in front on the street, with free drop on both sides, 1 Rhineland rod 4 feet 6 inches." Thanks, Steve

Glee, I think you can rule out this set of parents for her. Teunis Nyssen (aka Denyse) and Phebe Sales (aka Femmetje Jans) had several children together, but none of them, to my knowledge with a name anything like Geertje. Also, if your Geertje had a patronymic of "Dircks" you would be looking for someone named Dirck as her father, I would think. Regards, Ted Snediker -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her > parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and > Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and > then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing > children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find > info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the > right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. > Thank you, > Glee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, See: http://books.google.com/books?vid=0M_jJj6n5HSTkrPdIb&id=Ya8FAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=intitle:burghers+intitle:of+intitle:new+intitle:amsterdam If you want to see what a typical Indenture of Apprenticeship looks like, just go to page 565 and keep on scrolling. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Well, I thought I had it in the Book, but I see Elsa Banta did not know in her book either. So, let's hope someone else knows. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Geertje Dircks parents > The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her > parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and > Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and > then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing > children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find > info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the > right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. > Thank you, > Glee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. Thank you, Glee

Agnes, and others, I do object to people thinking of this as only a genealogical research board. This is a board for all aspects of colonial Dutch history. We actually discuss such other historical topics as land title, coinage, slavery, travel routes, ethnic groups, and so on. We really ought to hiss and boo when people drag in such non-Dutch-colonial topics as Palatine Germans (they have their own very useful .com), New England ancestors, and nineteenth century forebears. I am not picking on Agnes here, who is a knowledeable researcher and has made many useful contributions here. But I see someone else also calling this a genealogical site, and some people treat it as though any genealogical topic is fair game here. Let's try to keep this site to colonial era settlers within the bounds of New Netherland (New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Delaware and whose roots are in that area prior to 1674). That should be quite enough to keep us occupied! Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agnes Cloninger" <agnesec@cableone.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] indenture dust-up > Leslie, > Yup, I have confined my response to genealogical circumstances only - > since this is a genealogical research board, it seemed more > appropriate to do so. Edifying as it might be, debating the > particulars of every circumstance does not strike me as the purpose > of this forum, and I am not equipped to do so, that was my husband's > area of expertise. > > Should historians and lawyers choose to feel my take is too narrow, > so be it, narrow was my intent, and I do apologize if that seems > overly limiting. > > Here's where I bow out of any further debate on this subject. > > Toodles, > > Agnes Cloninger > >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> I disagree with Agness Cloniger's statement. Maybe her statement is >> accurate >> as it pertains to standard operating procedure in genealogical >> circles, but >> it is not accurate for the community of historians and lawyers with >> whom I >> usually hang out. I guess that the point that I am trying to make >> is that >> the root word is used in so many other applications, starting with >> calling >> the instrument itself an "Indenture", that I feel that Agness >> Cloniger's >> statement is confusing because of its narrow focus. However, if you >> are >> writing just for genealogists maybe Agness Cloniger's approach is the >> appropriate one to take. >> >> I am retooling as an historian, not as a genealogist. So please >> excuse me, >> while I continue to disagree with Agness Cloniger. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Leslie >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Agnes, I have encountered confusion about "Indentures" among both historians and genealogists. Since I have never met a genealogist who did not need to read a deed or a mortgage from time to time, I felt that trying to explain the whole situation was in order and appropriate. It occurs to me that the problem originates from the fact that the legal instruments that are written in the indenture format start out with the wording "This Indenture". Over time this has lead to these various instruments being called "Indentures" as though they were a specific kind of thing with identical subject matter and properties, which they are not. I feel that it is fair to say that language can be complicated and difficult at times. I also feel that the use of the word "indenture", as it applies to various legal documents and contractual relationships, a prime example to this phenomenon. Thank you but I prefer to err on the side of precision. So I shall to agree to disagree with you. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Agnes Cloninger" <agnesec@cableone.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] indenture dust-up > Leslie, > Yup, I have confined my response to genealogical circumstances only - > since this is a genealogical research board, it seemed more > appropriate to do so. Edifying as it might be, debating the > particulars of every circumstance does not strike me as the purpose > of this forum, and I am not equipped to do so, that was my husband's > area of expertise. > > Should historians and lawyers choose to feel my take is too narrow, > so be it, narrow was my intent, and I do apologize if that seems > overly limiting. > > Here's where I bow out of any further debate on this subject. > > Toodles, > > Agnes Cloninger > >> >> Elizabeth, >> >> I disagree with Agness Cloniger's statement. Maybe her statement is >> accurate >> as it pertains to standard operating procedure in genealogical >> circles, but >> it is not accurate for the community of historians and lawyers with >> whom I >> usually hang out. I guess that the point that I am trying to make >> is that >> the root word is used in so many other applications, starting with >> calling >> the instrument itself an "Indenture", that I feel that Agness >> Cloniger's >> statement is confusing because of its narrow focus. However, if you >> are >> writing just for genealogists maybe Agness Cloniger's approach is the >> appropriate one to take. >> >> I am retooling as an historian, not as a genealogist. So please >> excuse me, >> while I continue to disagree with Agness Cloniger. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Leslie >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message