J une 7 1753 Albany Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of Albany, NY 1683-1809 Henderick Wiliams, y.m. and Franseyne Cloet,y.d. both of A. Co.

Hi Richard & Cynthia, This is not much help, but I can add to the list of children given by Cynthia. Rachel #132; Bapt. Date: Jun 1725; Parents: Cornelis Willemse, Maria Storm; Sponsors: Jacob Tietsoort, Neeltjen Kwik Source: Poughkeepsie Reformed Church (Baptisms) 1716-1824 The next one may or may not be of the same family group, but it was back at Tarrytown (and there is a 10 year gap between children): David #1091; Bapt. Date: 30 Apr 1743; Parents: Cornelis Willemse, Maria his wife; Sponsors: David Storm, Jr, Catharina his wife Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown 1697-1790 (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) Richard, Where did Hendrick Williams marry Francyntje Clute (source, please)? Regards, Pam > In a message dated 4/20/2007 6:43:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > RAHayes@chartermi.net writes: > > Hello All, > > I have the parents of the Hendrick Williams who married Francyntje Clute on 7 > Jun 1753 as Cornelis Williams and Maria Storm. Both were born about 1700 - > 1705. I could use a little more information about them. > Richard,

In a message dated 4/20/2007 6:43:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, RAHayes@chartermi.net writes: Hello All, I have the parents of the Hendrick Williams who married Francyntje Clute on 7 Jun 1753 as Cornelis Williams and Maria Storm. Both were born about 1700 - 1705. I could use a little more information about them. Richard, Cornelis Willemse and Maria Srorm were married in the Sleepy Hollow DRC (Tarrytown, NY) December 16, 1722. Here are their children I could find bp. in the same church: * 1723 Apr 23; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Susanna; Staas Storm & wife Susanna de Vouw. * 1727 Apr 15; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Henderickus; Jonis Gerrets, Niesen Bancken. * 1729 Mar 29; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Harmen; Jan Montras & wife Mettie. * 1731 Apr 24; Corneles Willemse, Maria; Niese; Joannis Bancken, Niese Bancken. * 1733 Apr 17; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Cornelis; David Ackerman & wife Maritie. (The Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow by Rev. David Cole, D.D., Yonkers, NY, Published by The Yonkers Historical and Library Association, 1901.) I have no parents for Cornelis but Maria was bp. in the same church on August 20, 1700 to Hendrick Dircks Storm and Niesje De Groot. Staas Storm & wife Susanna de Vouw, the sponsors for little Susanna in 1723 were Maria's brother and his wife. I'm guessing that *Harmen* was the name of Cornelis' father? Cynthia Richard ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Cynthia: Do you have any information on Maria STORM? I have 2 of them in my data base each with a different set of parents. But I have no other information on the 2 Maria's. Could you possibly fill in some data on her. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CMiddaughZuber@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/20/2007 6:43:50 AM Mountain Daylight Time, RAHayes@chartermi.net writes: Hello All, I have the parents of the Hendrick Williams who married Francyntje Clute on 7 Jun 1753 as Cornelis Williams and Maria Storm. Both were born about 1700 - 1705. I could use a little more information about them. Richard, Cornelis Willemse and Maria Srorm were married in the Sleepy Hollow DRC (Tarrytown, NY) December 16, 1722. Here are their children I could find bp. in the same church: * 1723 Apr 23; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Susanna; Staas Storm & wife Susanna de Vouw. * 1727 Apr 15; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Henderickus; Jonis Gerrets, Niesen Bancken. * 1729 Mar 29; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Harmen; Jan Montras & wife Mettie. * 1731 Apr 24; Corneles Willemse, Maria; Niese; Joannis Bancken, Niese Bancken. * 1733 Apr 17; Cornelis Willemse, Maria; Cornelis; David Ackerman & wife Maritie. (The Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow by Rev. David Cole, D.D., Yonkers, NY, Published by The Yonkers Historical and Library Association, 1901.) I have no parents for Cornelis but Maria was bp. in the same church on August 20, 1700 to Hendrick Dircks Storm and Niesje De Groot. Staas Storm & wife Susanna de Vouw, the sponsors for little Susanna in 1723 were Maria's brother and his wife. I'm guessing that *Harmen* was the name of Cornelis' father? Cynthia Richard ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Hi Robert, I can add a couple of things. Willem Wouterzen, an inhabitant of New York [City], swore allegiance in Oct 1664. -- CDNY vol. III, pp. 74-77. Curators were appointed for the estate of the deceased Jannetie Jacobs, wife of Willem Wouters on 23 Jan 1671/2. -- RNA 6: 356-357, 381. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com Standard Source Abbreviations: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96 From: "Robert L. Ward" <Robert@rlward.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Willem Wouterszen and family > All, > > There was a certain Willem Wouterszen who, with wife Jannetje Jacobs, > had three children baptized in the NA RDC: > 1. Cornelisje Willems, 1 Apr 1665 (Hendrick Harmenszen, Sara his wife) > 2. Wouter Willemszen, 13 Dec 1667 (Rutger Willemszen, Metje Davids) > 3. Jan Williemszen, 9 Jul 1671 (Joris Waldron, Annetie Ackerman) > > Apparently Cornelisje Willems m. 16 Nov 1679, Hurley RDC, Kingston, > Nicolaes Sluyter, but if so, she was very young. > > Wouter Willemszen m.(1) 22 Apr 1689, Bergen DRC, Divertje Jans [Van > Blarcom]; m.(2) 21 Feb 1710, Hackensack DRC, Amelijntie Hans > Harty. This family adopted the surname Van > Schyven/Schuyven/Schiven/Sciven/Sciver/etc. > > I know nothing further of Jan Willemszen. > > References: > 1. Charlotte Van Sciver Miloszar, _Van Sciver Genealogy_ (ca. 1975). > 2. New Amsterdam RDC Records. > 3. Bergen DRC Records. > 4. Hackensack DRC Records. > > Can anyone supply any further information about these individuals? > > Regards, > > Robert

Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] De Foreest, de la Grange bapt. > Thank you again Howard. > >> Jermias Janszen who was also known with a > surname of (den) Hagenaar. Later the family adopted the name of (van) > Westerhout. > > I did not find a place called "Westerhout" in my modern map of the > Netherlands. Back in 1999, Willem found some possibilities: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/dutch-colonies/1999-08/0934048370 I liked the first one -- what I believe would be called a 'farm name.' >But 'Hagenaar' would seem to indicate 'from den Haag.' Yes. As I recall, we didn't pursue trying to find at what date the family moved to The Hague -- or at which generation. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hello All, I have the parents of the Hendrick Williams who married Francyntje Clute on 7 Jun 1753 as Cornelis Williams and Maria Storm. Both were born about 1700 - 1705. I could use a little more information about them. Richard

Thank you again Howard. > Jermias Janszen who was also known with a surname of (den) Hagenaar. Later the family adopted the name of (van) Westerhout. I did not find a place called "Westerhout" in my modern map of the Netherlands. But 'Hagenaar' would seem to indicate 'from den Haag.' That seems fitting in terms of various other members of this overal group. > We had quite a discussion of this family here in the fall of 1999. The 1999 discussion was excellent. I had been going in circles for several days as I tried to search List archives effectively for 'Jansen' and 'Jeremias.' So this suggestion was greatly helpful. Thanks belatedly to you and others for that too. And thanks again now. Best wishes from Liz J

All I know is that Cornelis had a son Hendrick who married Francyntje Clute, bp. 2 Oct 1733. She is daughter of Jacob Clute and Maria Brouwer. There was a woman years ago living near Chicago who descended from this line and was doing extensive research to figure out where the Williams actually came from. She was convinced they were English.

Thanks Ted, Elaine, Cynthia, Tom, Gayle, hope I haven't overlooked anyone (gettin' dotty, y'know) Well we can obvously rule out the Dirck Volkersen-Christine Vigne couple along with the Denyse-Sales couple. WHERE did this lady come from - an egg??? I've run myself ragged looking for contender fathers named "Dirck" Geertje's known daughters were: Heyltie, Annetje, Styntje (Christine) and Sachje (Sarah). I find no further record for Heyltie or Annetje. Styntje m. Nicholas "Claes" Janse Romeyn and had daughters: Gerrebrechtje, Lysbeth, Rachel, Sarah and Lydia Sachje "Sarah" m. Volkert Hansen Van Noorstrant . I find only one daughter for her: Jannetje named for her paternal grandmother. <big sigh> This blind old bat is STILL seeking a light at the end of this tunnel !! Many thanks, Barb ted.snediker@comcast.net wrote: >Glee, >I think you can rule out this set of parents for her. Teunis Nyssen (aka Denyse) and Phebe Sales (aka Femmetje Jans) had several children together, but none of them, to my knowledge with a name anything like Geertje. Also, if your Geertje had a patronymic of "Dircks" you would be looking for someone named Dirck as her father, I would think. > >Regards, >Ted Snediker > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > > > >>The above lady was the wife of Albert Albertse Terhune. Who were her >>parents? I have seen them listed as Theunis Denyse Nyssen and >>Phabea/Femmetje Jans Seals. She is supposed to have been born abt 1642 and >>then she is supposed to have married Albert in 1647 and commenced haveing >>children the next year. This math just does not work out. I tried to find >>info on her in the archives but found nothing. Maybe I did not put in the >>right search words. Could one of you kind souls help me out. >>Thank you, >>Glee >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >

All, There was a certain Willem Wouterszen who, with wife Jannetje Jacobs, had three children baptized in the NA RDC: 1. Cornelisje Willems, 1 Apr 1665 (Hendrick Harmenszen, Sara his wife) 2. Wouter Willemszen, 13 Dec 1667 (Rutger Willemszen, Metje Davids) 3. Jan Williemszen, 9 Jul 1671 (Joris Waldron, Annetie Ackerman) Apparently Cornelisje Willems m. 16 Nov 1679, Hurley RDC, Kingston, Nicolaes Sluyter, but if so, she was very young. Wouter Willemszen m.(1) 22 Apr 1689, Bergen DRC, Divertje Jans [Van Blarcom]; m.(2) 21 Feb 1710, Hackensack DRC, Amelijntie Hans Harty. This family adopted the surname Van Schyven/Schuyven/Schiven/Sciven/Sciver/etc. I know nothing further of Jan Willemszen. References: 1. Charlotte Van Sciver Miloszar, _Van Sciver Genealogy_ (ca. 1975). 2. New Amsterdam RDC Records. 3. Bergen DRC Records. 4. Hackensack DRC Records. Can anyone supply any further information about these individuals? Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659 Robert@RLWard.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzetkjpc/robertlward/index.html

I have Sara de Forest, b. c. 1686, w. of Johannes Meyer and daughter of Isaac de Forest and Lysbeth Van Der Spiegel. My sources for Sara are the records of the Baptisms of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam 1639-1730 and the Purples. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Howard Swain <hswain@ix.netcom.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:13:32 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] De Foreest, de la Grange bapt. Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] De Foreest, de la Grange bapt. > Arnoldus de la Grange and Cornelia de la Fontaine baptized a son > Arnoldus in New York (NA) DRC on on 22 January 1679. Witnesses were > Jeremias Janszen and Sara de Foreest. > > Can someone help me with the identities of these two witnesses? > > On the Jeremias Janszen here I have no clue --can someone identify him?? My guess is that he is the Jermias Janszen who was also known with a surname of (den) Hagenaar. Later the family adopted the name of (van) Westerhout. His father was Jan Janszen. We had quite a discussion of this family here in the fall of 1999. This Jeremias married with int. 16 Aug 1664 Catalyntie, the daughter of Joris Janszen Rapalje and Catalyntje Trico. So, as you know, that gives some connection to the De la Grange family. > Which Sara de Foreest was this? I don't seem to have a Sara de foreest > the right age. Could this have been Sara du Trieux, wife of Isaac de > Foreest? I have no death date for her --was she still around by 1679? > She would have been maybe 54 or so. I agree with your identification of Sara. Riker's Harlem (p. 781) says she didn't die until Nov. 1692. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aha! Thank you Howard! > If you are interested in this family, you should also read "A Note on Arnoldus > de La Grange" by John Blythe Dobson in NNC 7:3:63-70. As Mr. Dobson > notes, Danckaerts' Journal does not name the child that died. And assigning > this death date to the child bp. earlier that year assumes there was not an > earlier child born in Europe. [Note Arnoldus and Cornelia filed marriage > intention in 4 Oct 1675 -- see NNC 1:3:61] Yes, it seems there was an earlier child born in Europe. On 20 September 1676, Arnoldus, son of Arnoldus de la Grangen and Corneila de Lafonteijnin [de la Fontaine] was baptized in the Amstel kerk of Amsterdam. So since the child baptized in New Amsterdam in 1679 was also called Arnoldus, the one bapt in Amsterdam most likely had died died before the baptism of the second one in January 1679. But if Dankaerts did not write "They had lost a child by the small pox..." until Sept 1679, this presents a problem. I'll have to check out these articles. It would be useful to know if parents Arnoldus and Cornelia had arrived in the colonies with or without a child. Interestingly (to me), in July 1683 at Chester/Upland PA court, Nicholas More testified that Otto Ernest Cock had asked him (More) the previous May to back out of a sale of Tinicum Island because Cock felt that he was depriving the de la Grange childREN of their rights to that long-disputed property, and wanted to return it to de la Grange. So More's testimony makes it seem that as of May 1683, Otto Ernest Cock was aware that Arnoldus de la Grange had more than one child living at that time. Thanks for the additional refs; I've been collecting whatever I can find on this family, and had not been aware of the Dobson article. Liz J

Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] De Foreest, de la Grange bapt. > Arnoldus de la Grange and Cornelia de la Fontaine baptized a son > Arnoldus in New York (NA) DRC on on 22 January 1679. Witnesses were > Jeremias Janszen and Sara de Foreest. > > Can someone help me with the identities of these two witnesses? > > On the Jeremias Janszen here I have no clue --can someone identify him?? My guess is that he is the Jermias Janszen who was also known with a surname of (den) Hagenaar. Later the family adopted the name of (van) Westerhout. His father was Jan Janszen. We had quite a discussion of this family here in the fall of 1999. This Jeremias married with int. 16 Aug 1664 Catalyntie, the daughter of Joris Janszen Rapalje and Catalyntje Trico. So, as you know, that gives some connection to the De la Grange family. > Which Sara de Foreest was this? I don't seem to have a Sara de foreest > the right age. Could this have been Sara du Trieux, wife of Isaac de > Foreest? I have no death date for her --was she still around by 1679? > She would have been maybe 54 or so. I agree with your identification of Sara. Riker's Harlem (p. 781) says she didn't die until Nov. 1692. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

That is what the article in Flagon and Trencher says. She ran the tavern while Volkertsen was gone and also Mr. Peeke. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Maria DuTrieux >I have tons of information on Maria, just not that much on the children of > her first marriage. She was one of my favorite ancestors. A true original, > who caused trouble for everyone. Jacobus was very pius and his Mom drove > him > nuts. All of her children turned out well. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Pam and all, From: "Pamela J. Sears" <pjsears@stratos.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] The Burghers of New Amsterdam and the Freemen of New York is now online > Hi Howard et al, > > The Burghers and Freeman has been on-line, included in the Making of > America series at the University of Michigan. > > http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;type=simple;rgn=subject;q1=New%20York%20%28State%29%20--%20History > > Unfortunately, the list of books that appears are all titled "The John > Watts DePeyster Publication Fund series." Vol. #'s 1-56, and it takes > some sleuthing to find each title page, or the subject of each. They are > all from the Collections of the New York Historical Society series. > > Burghers and Freemen happens to be Volume 18, but I have not taken the > time to discover (yet) just what is included in all the other volumes. Thanks; if I knew about that I had forgotten. Here are some useful volumes: Vol 18 Burghers and Freemen Vols 25 - 41 Abstracts of Wills (they also have thier own additional vol 1 to 17 numbering) Vol 42 Ledger No. 1 Chamberlian's Office (1691-1699) and Indentures of Apprentices 1718-1727 Vols 43 & 44 1695 to 1699 Tax Lists for New York [City] Vol 46 some Early Deeds and Land Grants and also the Melyn Papers Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Arnoldus de la Grange and wife Cornelia Fontaine baptized their son Arnoldus (jr) in NY DRC on 22 January 1679. I have seen several claims without documentation, stating that young Arnoldus died of smallpox before 28 September 1679. How is it known when and of what young Arnoldus de la Grange died? Is this detail found in Record of Burials in the Dutch Church, New York. Holland Soc. Year Book, 1899 [DDC]? Or if not here, where? Thanks very much, Liz J

Hi Liz, From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] 1679 Record of Burials in the Dutch Church,New York? > Arnoldus de la Grange and wife Cornelia Fontaine baptized their son > Arnoldus (jr) in NY DRC on 22 January 1679. > > I have seen several claims without documentation, stating that young > Arnoldus died of smallpox before 28 September 1679. > > How is it known when and of what young Arnoldus de la Grange died? Is > this detail found in Record of Burials in the Dutch Church, New York. > Holland Soc. Year Book, 1899 [DDC]? Or if not here, where? I don't think the burials recorded in the 1899 HSYB start that early. The oldest one I see on a few pages I have is 1729. The above death information comes from the Journal of Jasper Danckaerts entry for 28 Sept. 1679 recounting a visit to the house of Monsr. de La Grange: "They had lost a child by the small pox..." See "Catalina Trico from Namur (1605-1699) and Her Nephew, Arnoldus de la Grange", NNC vol 1, no. 3, pp. 55-63, at p. 62. If you are interested in this family, you should also read "A Note on Arnoldus de La Grange" by John Blythe Dobson in NNC 7:3:63-70. As Mr. Dobson notes, Danckaerts' Journal does not name the child that died. And assigning this death date to the child bp. earlier that year assumes there was not an earlier child born in Europe. [Note Arnoldus and Cornelia filed marriage intention in 4 Oct 1675 -- see NNC 1:3:61] Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

[Mar]Grietje Dircks married (1)Jan Harmensz Schutt (2)Jan Nagel (3)Barent Gerritszen. MARRIAGES: (1) "Jan Harmenszen Schut, Adelborst, j.m. Van Lubeck, en Margarietje Denys, j.d. Van N. Nederlt." Marriage banns: 26 Dec 1649. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 1:15] --------------------------------- (2)"Jan Nagel Van Limburg, en Grietje Dircx, Wed. Van Jan Schut." Banns: 22 Sept 1652. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 1:17] ------------------------------ (3)Barent Gerritszen, Van Swol in Overyssel, en Grietje Dircks, Wed Van Jan Nagel." Banns: 11 May 1658. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 1:22] Ethel ============================== In a message dated 4/19/2007 _afandersen@hotmail.com_ (mailto:afandersen@hotmail.com) (Ann Anderson) writes: I have Geertje Dircks, d/o Dirck Volckertszen and Christina Vigne married three time: Jan Hermensen Shut 26 Dec 1649, Jan Nagel 8 Sep 1652 and Barent Gerritszen [Flaesbeeck] Van Swoll 11 Mar 1657/8-All NY DRC. There is an article in the NYG&BR 95:130 by Mrs. John Spell titled "A Career Woman in Seventeenth Century New York". I have not worked on this line for many, many years but I have a note that Mrs. Spell has information about the third husband mixed up with another Barent Gerritszen. Ann Andersen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

When you say "just not that much," do you mean that you don't have much her descendants or do you mean you don't have much on any of the things they may have done it lives. If it's the former, the "Thura Truax Hines Manuscripts" would be a good source (albeit secondary) to check out. Allyne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:10 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Maria DuTrieux >I have tons of information on Maria, just not that much on the children of > her first marriage. She was one of my favorite ancestors. A true original, > who caused trouble for everyone. Jacobus was very pius and his Mom drove > him > nuts. All of her children turned out well. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >