The plot of land that Adam Brouwer purchased from Hendrick Jansen and the patent he received from the company both appear to be for the same parcel of land. Was this common to receive a patent for land you already owned? What is the distinction between land owned through purchase and land granted by patent? Did a patent grant different rights to the property? Any clarification would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve

Steve, In the process of trying to make sense of the hodgepodge of land holding patterns in the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County, NY between 1764 and 1777, I found it necessary to attempt to become fluent in Roman/Dutch legalese. It would appear that more than a century after the Dutch had lost the Province of New York as a colony, that Roman/Dutch legal conventions were still in full force and effect among the ethnic Dutch. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > Leslie, > > Thanks. This is very interesting. I wouldn't have thought to look to > Roman/Dutch law for the answer. > > Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie B. > Potter > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:16 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > > Gentlemen: > > I finally found a moment to dragged out my books on Roman/Dutch law. I > am > inclined to suspect that the "free drop on both sides" has to do with a > type > of "Servitude" in Roman Dutch law, which deals specifically with > handling > water and run-off in an urban setting. (Please see Urban servitude # 5) > > However, I'll let you read all of the material on servitudes and judge > for > yourselves. So for what it is worth, this is what I found on > "Servitudes" in > R. W. Lee's An Introduction to Roman/Dutch Law page 164 to 169. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, Thanks. This is very interesting. I wouldn't have thought to look to Roman/Dutch law for the answer. Steve -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Leslie B. Potter Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:16 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term Gentlemen: I finally found a moment to dragged out my books on Roman/Dutch law. I am inclined to suspect that the "free drop on both sides" has to do with a type of "Servitude" in Roman Dutch law, which deals specifically with handling water and run-off in an urban setting. (Please see Urban servitude # 5) However, I'll let you read all of the material on servitudes and judge for yourselves. So for what it is worth, this is what I found on "Servitudes" in R. W. Lee's An Introduction to Roman/Dutch Law page 164 to 169.

Try Loricase at http://loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They do have the Everton's reference listed and do free lookups by volunteers. -Kim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Forshay Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:21 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lookup in Genealogy.com Hi: Is there someone out there that belongs to GENEALOGY.Com? I found a record on my GGrandfather Otto Emil Bierschenk. It was located in the "Everton's Computerized Roots Cellar, 1640-1990 Family queries". Otto was born in Germay July 1862 and came to this country abt 1882. He got married in 1885 Yonkers, New York to Pauline Sieg. Around 1886 they moved to St Paul, Minnesota where they had 9 children. I would like to find where in Germany he was born and what ship he took to America? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gentlemen: I finally found a moment to dragged out my books on Roman/Dutch law. I am inclined to suspect that the "free drop on both sides" has to do with a type of "Servitude" in Roman Dutch law, which deals specifically with handling water and run-off in an urban setting. (Please see Urban servitude # 5) However, I'll let you read all of the material on servitudes and judge for yourselves. So for what it is worth, this is what I found on "Servitudes" in R. W. Lee's An Introduction to Roman/Dutch Law page 164 to 169. 1. Rights of Way for the following purposes: a) walking and riding (iter) which the Dutch writers subdivided into foot-path (voet-pad) and bridle-path (rij-pad); b) for driving cattle as well as forgoing on foot and hosre-back, and for light vehicles (actus-dreef); c) for all kinds of traffic including laden wagons (via-weg); to which may be added d) i.e. a way of necessity (nood-weg), a way to be used only for the harvest, for carrying a corpse to burial or other necessary purpose, or a way giving necessary access to a public road. 2. Water Rights: a) right of leading water over or out of another's land (aquae ductus - water-leiding) b) right of discharging water on to another's land (water-lozing) c) right of drawing water from another's private stream, well, or cistern (aguae haustus - water-haling) d) right of watering cattle (pecoris ad aquam appulsus) e) right of access to water over another's land (water-gang). 3. Right of taking sand out of another's soil or of taking lime and having a lime-kiln on another's land . 4. Right of pasture. The above list is not exhaustive. Other real servitudes may be created in any of ht recognized ways provided that they are of such a nature as to benefit the dominant estate, and in other respects satisfy the legal condition of servitudes. The following are urban servitudes: 1. My right to require my neighbor to support the weight of my house or wall (jus oneris ferendi - muurbezwarning.) 2. My right to drive timber, &c., into my neighbor's wall (jus tigni immittendi - inbalcking ofte inanckering). 3. My right to have a balcony or other thing projecting over my neighbors land (jus tigni projiciendi vel protegendi) 4. My right to require you not to raise the height of your buildings (jus altius non tollendi - belet van Hoger timmering) 5. My right to DISCHARGE WATER FROM MY EAVES OR SPOUT ON TO YOUR LAND (Jus stillicidii vel fluminis - drop); or my contrary right to require you to DISCHARGE SUCH WATER on to my land (drop-vang) 6. My right to have an artificial drain passing through or over your land (jus cloacae mittendaw - goot-recht) 7. My right to lateral and vertical support for my building or other structures. Leslie > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Brady > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:33 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > > I don't have anything to point to, but I'm thinking that "free drop" > could > be comparable to dropping a plumb bob at the extremities of the measure. > Or > if you're using a measuring chain, that you could let the ends fall > free, or > "free drop", while making that measurement. > > So if this was a measurement of an accessway to a back lot, it could be > the > width of an unemcumbered path. The path, itself, might be wider at some > points, but might have a choke point from structures on either side > somewhere along that path. > > Continuing to think conceptually, a back lot would sell after front > lots. > Whatever access you had, I assume, wouldn't let you contest any > pre-existing > contruction on the front lots. As a surveyor, not passing legal > judgement, I > would assume that your maximum property width was the unemcumbered width > and > that the adjoining owners hadn't sold you the right to tear down parts > of > their, possibly impeding, structures. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Howard Swain > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:41 PM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > > > Hi Steve, > > From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:43 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > > >> I'm looking over New Amsterdam land records and am curious if anyone > knows > what "free drop on both sides" refers to in the following sentence, > "Width > in front on the street, with free drop on both sides, 1 Rhineland rod 4 > feet > 6 inches."< > > I assume this is from the description of Adam's Brouwer's lot at the > 1656 sale as shown in Stokes' Iconography II:368. > > Recall, I had written that the lot did not abut a street. It now > appears > to me that Adam had a thin (1 rod, 4 ft, 6 in wide) strip from his lot > out to Beaver St. That appears to be the part described by the > "free drop". Other than that, I don't have a clue. > Also, see the Dutch Grants map (plate 87). > > Regards, > Howard > hswain@ix.netcom.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kim: I have tried that site several times and can't find my way around in it. I can never find the CD. It only gives me the title of "Everton's Computerized Roots Cellar, 1640-1990" I says you can buy the CD but doesn't give a Cd #. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tregellas <Tregellas@cox.net> wrote: Try Loricase at http://loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They do have the Everton's reference listed and do free lookups by volunteers. -Kim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Forshay Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:21 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Lookup in Genealogy.com Hi: Is there someone out there that belongs to GENEALOGY.Com? I found a record on my GGrandfather Otto Emil Bierschenk. It was located in the "Everton's Computerized Roots Cellar, 1640-1990 Family queries". Otto was born in Germay July 1862 and came to this country abt 1882. He got married in 1885 Yonkers, New York to Pauline Sieg. Around 1886 they moved to St Paul, Minnesota where they had 9 children. I would like to find where in Germany he was born and what ship he took to America? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Hi: Is there someone out there that belongs to GENEALOGY.Com? I found a record on my GGrandfather Otto Emil Bierschenk. It was located in the "Everton's Computerized Roots Cellar, 1640-1990 Family queries". Otto was born in Germay July 1862 and came to this country abt 1882. He got married in 1885 Yonkers, New York to Pauline Sieg. Around 1886 they moved to St Paul, Minnesota where they had 9 children. I would like to find where in Germany he was born and what ship he took to America? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

I want to unsubscribe from the daily list, and subscribe to the digest, but my efforts are not working. Can anyone out there help me? carolyn

Ted! I did get the book and you are right! It is well worth it. This is based upon just a quick glance but with that I'm already overwhelmed with information to check out. Thank you for your advice and if I can provide you with any information let me know the who, what, when, and where of your search. I did check for another copy and it says currently unavailable..This copy was shipped from Galway, Ireland. Elizabeth ted.snediker@comcast.net wrote: Elizabeth, If you can get a copy of Stoutenburgh's work at any price, I would be tempted to grab it. They are very scarce. He incorporated a great deal more than just Wolver Hollow records and went rather far afield to bring together a lot of genealogical information, not all of which is well documented. So this is by no means an original source, but is useful and interesting nonetheless. Meanwhile, since I have them at hand, I reviewed the two known transcripts of the Wolver Hollow records, and can tell you that there is no record there of your Jacob or of Marritje Hansen. There are a few Stoutenburgh records from the period 1838 to 1853, though, and if these are of interest I'd be happy to forward them to you. Regards, Ted Snediker -------------- Original message -------------- From: brookskcmo@aol.com > You can get a used copy at amazon.com for about $33. > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000NWNZ52/ref=sr_1_olp_38/104-5284752-19 > 27964?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176461694&sr=8-38 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizajohn@sbcglobal.net > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Second question: Oyster Bay DRC, Stoutenberg and > Hansen > > > Does anyone know where I might locate a copy of a Documentary History of the DRC > Oyster Bay, by Stoutenberg, Henry A.? I am looking for the marriage records of > Maritje Hansen to Jacob Jansen Stoutenberg. I have seen this cited so many > ways, that I would like to find the original source. I know that Jacob > Stoutenberg and Maritje Hansen were witnesses for one of Maritje's > grandchildren, by, I believe , her son Johannes. But this wqs in Machackemech > or Minisinck. (The computer if on one floor and the records on another > nevertheless, I believe this is reasonably accurate. Again, any and all > responses are greatly appreciated. > > Elizabeth Johnson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL > at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim and Howard, That would make sense. They're basically saying that there is a path to the street 1 rod, 4 ft wide that is free from obstructions (free drop) on both sides. Thanks, Steve -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Brady Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:33 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term I don't have anything to point to, but I'm thinking that "free drop" could be comparable to dropping a plumb bob at the extremities of the measure. Or if you're using a measuring chain, that you could let the ends fall free, or "free drop", while making that measurement. So if this was a measurement of an accessway to a back lot, it could be the width of an unemcumbered path. The path, itself, might be wider at some points, but might have a choke point from structures on either side somewhere along that path. Continuing to think conceptually, a back lot would sell after front lots. Whatever access you had, I assume, wouldn't let you contest any pre-existing contruction on the front lots. As a surveyor, not passing legal judgement, I would assume that your maximum property width was the unemcumbered width and that the adjoining owners hadn't sold you the right to tear down parts of their, possibly impeding, structures. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Howard Swain Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:41 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term Hi Steve, From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > I'm looking over New Amsterdam land records and am curious if anyone knows what "free drop on both sides" refers to in the following sentence, "Width in front on the street, with free drop on both sides, 1 Rhineland rod 4 feet 6 inches."< I assume this is from the description of Adam's Brouwer's lot at the 1656 sale as shown in Stokes' Iconography II:368. Recall, I had written that the lot did not abut a street. It now appears to me that Adam had a thin (1 rod, 4 ft, 6 in wide) strip from his lot out to Beaver St. That appears to be the part described by the "free drop". Other than that, I don't have a clue. Also, see the Dutch Grants map (plate 87). Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't have anything to point to, but I'm thinking that "free drop" could be comparable to dropping a plumb bob at the extremities of the measure. Or if you're using a measuring chain, that you could let the ends fall free, or "free drop", while making that measurement. So if this was a measurement of an accessway to a back lot, it could be the width of an unemcumbered path. The path, itself, might be wider at some points, but might have a choke point from structures on either side somewhere along that path. Continuing to think conceptually, a back lot would sell after front lots. Whatever access you had, I assume, wouldn't let you contest any pre-existing contruction on the front lots. As a surveyor, not passing legal judgement, I would assume that your maximum property width was the unemcumbered width and that the adjoining owners hadn't sold you the right to tear down parts of their, possibly impeding, structures. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Howard Swain Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:41 PM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term Hi Steve, From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > I'm looking over New Amsterdam land records and am curious if anyone knows what "free drop on both sides" refers to in the following sentence, "Width in front on the street, with free drop on both sides, 1 Rhineland rod 4 feet 6 inches."< I assume this is from the description of Adam's Brouwer's lot at the 1656 sale as shown in Stokes' Iconography II:368. Recall, I had written that the lot did not abut a street. It now appears to me that Adam had a thin (1 rod, 4 ft, 6 in wide) strip from his lot out to Beaver St. That appears to be the part described by the "free drop". Other than that, I don't have a clue. Also, see the Dutch Grants map (plate 87). Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Steve, From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Land Record term > I'm looking over New Amsterdam land records and am curious if anyone knows what "free drop on both sides" refers to in the following sentence, "Width in front on the street, with free drop on both sides, 1 Rhineland rod 4 feet 6 inches."< I assume this is from the description of Adam's Brouwer's lot at the 1656 sale as shown in Stokes' Iconography II:368. Recall, I had written that the lot did not abut a street. It now appears to me that Adam had a thin (1 rod, 4 ft, 6 in wide) strip from his lot out to Beaver St. That appears to be the part described by the "free drop". Other than that, I don't have a clue. Also, see the Dutch Grants map (plate 87). Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hi Steve and Pete, Adam's son Matthys was bp. in 1649 in NA RDC. His marriage int. filed 26 Jan 1673 (in NY) show he was "van N. Jorck" -- which usually means he was born in New York (New Amsterdam at the time). The next child that I could find a bp. and marr. record for is Maria. Bp. in 1653 at NA; marr. int. 20 Sept 1676 in NY show she was "van de Gauwanes". Three later children also were born in Gowanes. Also, I note that Adam is not shown in the 1655 New Amsterdam tax list. [RNA vol I, pp. 367 ff.] So, I would say he moved to Gowanes between 1649 and 1653. And was thus living on Long Island when he sold the Manhattan property in 1656. By the way, there is a good article on the first 3 generations of this Brouwer family in TAG beginning in vol 23, p. 193. The author, William Hoffman, doesn't appear to shed anymore info on the exact date of the move to LI. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Help with Adam Brouwer reference > Thanks Pete. Adam was probably operating the Gowanus mill by 1656 when he sold his Manhattan property though I don't believe there are any records of exactly when he made the move from Manhattan to Long Island. > > Steve > > ---- "j. gonigam" <gonigam@gmail.com> wrote: >> As I recall, one or more of the Brouwer children at the time of marriage >> was/were listed as being "from" Gowanus. That doesn't pin down Adam >> Brouwer's exact location but it seems to set >> his domicile somewhat more precisely than "Long Island." >> >> --pete

I am looking for Salley Van Sant Sodesky, formerly historian for the Van Zant Society, Can anyone help me out. Thanks so much Judy Cassidy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi Dutch Cousins, Here is a new story that refutes previous information calling a HOAX about the Anneke Jans land ownership near Trinity Church in NYC. Apparently one of our cousins collected millions because he had the proper papers, handed down from my 6th great uncle, Johannes/John Cozine/Cosine, son of the Rev. Cornelius COZINE. Another cousin, Jim Cozine, found this newspaper story from the 1870s and sent it to me. We knew that many members of our family had hired lawyers to pursue this interest before deciding it was useless. The diligence of one man, Henry Caldwell, paid off, according to Census reports. In 1870 he was a grocer in Indianapolis. By 1880 he was living on Dayton Street in St. Louis with two servants, and by 1900 the family (with a maid, a servant and a nurse) gave their residence in Hyde Park, Chicago. Moral of this story: Persistence is the key to success! ~New York Times (1857 - current file; Jan 5 1871: ProQuest Historical Newspapers, THE NEW YORK TIMES (1851 _ 2003) pg.5 Another and Slightly different Story -- His Earnest Pursuit of More Property == Two Hundred Acres in Harlem wanted: Indianapolis is steadily keeping pace with her slster cities in tbe matter of first-class sensations. The last we bave to chronicle is one in reference to a settlement of some New-York property, by which Mr. H. W. CALDWELL. a well-known grocer of this city, becomes possessed of a cool mlll1on. The followIng is a brief history of the case: For the past thirty or forty years the relatives of Mr. CALDWELL have been identified with the movement of tbe Anneke Jans heirs to obtain possession of tbe Trinity Church property. They based their expectations upon the fact that one or two ANNEKES are in the family, and some deeds, leases and otber papers that have been handed down through the family. Finally they all became disgusted and gave up tbe claim, refusing to have anything further to do witb the matter. These papers came tnto tbe possession of Mr. CALDWELL, and wben he received a letter from an uncle in the South, saying that a representative of the Anneke Jans heirs bad called upon b1m for information which be was supposed to possess in reference to the claim, he turned his whole attention to the matter of looking up the record. He flnally became convinced that the papers he held were of the greatest value to Trinity Church corporation, and accordingly, about five years since, he made a proposition to the trustees to sell them for $100,000, which was refused. Mr. CALDWELL then made anotber examination, and discovered that the papers he held referred to eight acres of land immediately adjoining the Trinity Church property, fronting on Fulton-Street and Broadway. Further examination showed that in the year 1773 JOHN COSlNE, his great grandfather, leased the property for ninety-nine years, previous to removing to Pennsylvania. In leases of tbis kind, seldom is anything heard of the property again by the heirs of the original owner, but in this instance Mr. CALDWELL clearly and fully established the record to tbe property, the lease on which expIred in 1863. He made another proposition, this time to the persons occupying the eight acres, offering to sell his individual interest and the pnpersln bis possession tor $1,000,000. After examining Mr. CALDWELL'S papers and the records, the gentlemen, through their agent, agreed to the terms, and on last Friday Mr. CALDWELL left for New York, to close up the transfer. Yesterday he returned bome, having in his possession the authority of the occupants to draw on them for $1,000,000. Mr. CALDWELL says that after arranging his business matters in this City, he will spend tbe rest of his days in Kentucky, which is the native State of himself and his wife. He takes his good fortune very considerately, but says he is on the hunt for more. While in New-York, he learned of 200 acres in Harlem that was in the possession of JOHN COSlNE at the time of the lease of the eight acres referred to above, and he is satisfied that he can work out full and satisfactory claim to a possession of tbat property. If he does, and he speaks as though be believes it, CORNELIUS VANDERBILT will have to pay him the balance of the purchase money on his famous Harlem freight depot site. > > YOU are invited to a Dutch Cousins Reunion Friday-Sunday, September > 28, 29, and 30, 2007, Shelbyville Kentucky. Hugs, Carolyn Remember you have a friend in Oklahoma -- endlessly sorting out dead relatives! Researching COZINE in Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Nieuw Amsterdam (New York) and the Netherlands. See the photos of our DUTCH COUSINS gathering in Kentucky in 2005 here: http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/PhotoAlbum33.html and The Anderson Cow Palace meeting house http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/PhotoAlbum32.html

Dear Friends, I am now putting together the May 2007 issue of New Netherland Connections. I have on hand only a few queries; so now would be an excellent opportunity for you to send me off-list a statement of your longstanding brick wall or your current research interest. Queries (of any length) are a regular feature of NNC, and they are free to subscribers and to non-subscribers alike. Though many readers are regular participants in this D-C discussion group, quite a number are not. Here is a chance to get help from a wider audience. Dorothy

Russell FIRKINS born about 1810 in England died 1857 in Knox Co., Illinois married before 1834 Margaret Jane TELLER about 1810 NY to about 1890. They had some 12 children with the earlier ones born in NY and the later ones in Illinois. Approximate birth dates come from the census. I have some early TELLER families in my direct line, but nothing extending the TELLERs this late. Does anyone recognize Margaret Jane TELLER (1810-1890) and know anything of her ancestry? Margaret Scheffler

In a message dated 4/21/2007 4:49:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hswain@ix.netcom.com writes: http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id =48&Itemid=71 Thankyou for sharing Howard, You are always very generous, Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Howard, What a great site Yvette's site seems to be! Thanks so much for posting this. Elsie Wilson At 01:48 PM 4/21/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Here is a site which gives English translations of many of the words >used on Dutch websites, eg. those that do searches. See especially >the Search Forms link at the bottom. > >http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=48&Itemid=71 > >One word I didn't see is getuige, which means witness. > >You might need these words here: >http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html >(Amsterdam baptisms) > >Or, on other sites found here: >http://geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html > > >I learned of Yvette's site from this blog: >http://dutch-roots.blogspot.com/ > >Regards, >Howard >hswain@ix.netcom.com Elsie H. Wilson 5620 Harris Cir. Fitchburg, WI 53575 (608) 835-6791 ehwilson@charter.net

Hi all, Here is a site which gives English translations of many of the words used on Dutch websites, eg. those that do searches. See especially the Search Forms link at the bottom. http://www.dutchgenealogy.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=48&Itemid=71 One word I didn't see is getuige, which means witness. You might need these words here: http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek/index.nl.html (Amsterdam baptisms) Or, on other sites found here: http://geneaknowhow.net/digi/resources.html I learned of Yvette's site from this blog: http://dutch-roots.blogspot.com/ Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com