My mistake, I had mis-recalled that Trier was the German name for Trieste. In fact, there are (at least) two cities of names such as these in Europe--Trier in Germany and Trieste in Italy. I notice that Trier is only about 30 miles from the Belgian border (with Luxembourg between). It wouldn't surprise me at all to find that Walloons such as the du Trieuxs may have come from there. But please note that this is conjecture on my part, except for the single baptism record I mentioned. Can anyone tell us the meaning of "du" in such names as du Trieux, du Chesne, du Cloux, etc.? Chris On 5/1/07, Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> wrote: > > There is a Trier in Germany, It is possible they were French and escaped > to > Germany and Marie was born there.??? (My husband was in the AF and we > visited Trier often, it was an old Roman ruins but interesting to see. I > climbed over 100 stairs in high heels. Very tired afterwards. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Isaac du Trieux,son of Phillippe Jr or > Phillippe Sr? > > > > There was also another Philipe, b 3 Jan 1616, who evidently died young. > > Marie was baptized as "Marije" on 5 April 1617, but the father's name is > > spelled "du Trier". If this was properly transcribed, I wonder if > > indicates that the family had emigrated from Trieste. > > > > To add to Howard's point about the 1642 baptisms not differentiating > > between > > Jr and Sr, even if the father were Phillipe Jr, Phillippe Sr. is > > conspicuously absent as a sponsor--Isaac would have been his first > > Trieux-named grandson. And it seems odd that Phillipe Jr. wouldn't have > > baptized one of his first two sons as Phillipe, although it's of course > > plausible that there had been one earlier. > > > > Does anyone know if there were "Juniors" (sons by the same given name of > > men > > with surnames) about the 1640s who baptized children, and if so, whether > > and > > how the NA church distinguished them from their fathers? I looked > quickly > > at > > Guillaume Vigne, Joris Rapalje, Hendrick Spier, and Jesse de Foreest, > but > > surprisingly didn't see a single "Jr." among them. > > > > > > Was the 1652 Indian incident documented well enough to indicate whether > > Phillippe Jr. had a wife who was killed at the same time, or is the only > > evidence that Phillipe Jr. was married the circumstance of the two > births > > in > > the 1640s? > > > > Finally, is Jacomyntje the feminine form of Jacob? I'm wondering if > Jacob > > b > > 1645 was named for Jacomyntje/Jacquemyntje. If Jacob was in fact > Phillipe > > Jr.'s son, such a given name might make sense as a way to honor > Jacomyntje > > Noiret without interfering with the tradition of naming daughters after > > the > > female ancestors of Phillippe Jr's wife. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > On 4/29/07, EShampang@aol.com <EShampang@aol.com> wrote: > >> > >> I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children > of > >> Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named > Madeleine > >> is > >> "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? > >> Source: > >> > >> > _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ > >> ( > http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek > >> ) > >> > >> > >> Kind: > >> Madeleine > >> vader > >> Philippe du Trieux > >> doop > >> 9 februari 1620 > >> religie > >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > >> bron 130 p.98 > >> > >> > >> Kind: > >> Phlipe > >> vader > >> Philippe du Trieux > >> doop > >> 10 februari 1619 > >> religie > >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > >> bron 130 p.81 > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > >> body > >> of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, From: "Thomas Hochuli" <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Isaac du Trieux,son of Phillippe Jr or Phillippe Sr? > Jr. was not commonly used in New Netherlands until somewhat later. > According to my notes. Philippe Du Treiux was born about 1586 at Roubaix, > near Lille, French Flanders and was consider a Walloon. Yes. See "The House of Truax" (continued), ed. by Howard S. F. Randolph in NYGBR 58:76-78. His marriage intentions at Amsterdam show he was born at "Robey", which is taken to mean Roubaix. Also see "Phillippe DuTrieux" in NYGBR 45:51-53. (The first article also shows that Jaquemyne Noirett was the dau. of Arnould Noirett and Barbe du Chesne -- from marr. int.) Also, at the start of Mr. Randloph's series of articles NYGBR 57:208, he mentions that on April 22, 1601, that Jaquemyne, widow of Philippe du Trieu was received into the Walloon Church at Leyden by letter from Norwich, England. It is speculated that these might be the Parents of Phillip who came to NN. (Also see The DeForests of Avesnes, p. 188-189; this is online at HeritageQuest.) There was quite a community of Walloons at Norwich, as I recall. The records of the Walloon Church at Norwich (1565-1832) have been published as vol 1 of Publications of the Huguenot Society of London. I wonder if anyone has checked this. Perhaps the Du Trieux family originated in one of the towns named Trieux in Belgium. See: http://www.fallingrain.com/world/BE/a/T/r/ > There were two > children named Philippe. The Second one is presumed to have survived. I have > two descents through this line , two from Maria and one from Rebecca. There > have been arguments on whether the father of Isaac and Jacob was father or > son forever. I checked all of my research material..Noone really agrees on > this. Steph In the first Truax article (NYGBR 57:212), Isaac and Jacob are shown as sons of Phillipe, Jr. In the later article (NYGBR 58:76-77), they now have the age of Susanna du Chesne from the marriage int. (20 years old in 1621). Now, Isaac and Jacob are listed as possible sons of Phillipe, Sr.; with the comments that "this cannot be determined with accuracy" but that "it is perfectly possible" that Susanna du Chesne was the mother. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Jr. was not commonly used in New Netherlands until somewhat later. According to my notes. Philippe Du Treiux was born about 1586 at Roubaix, near Lille, French Flanders and was consider a Walloon. There were two children named Philippe. The Second one is presumed to have survived. I have two descents through this line , two from Maria and one from Rebecca. There have been arguments on whether the father of Isaac and Jacob was father or son forever. I checked all of my research material..Noone really agrees on this. Steph

There is a Trier in Germany, It is possible they were French and escaped to Germany and Marie was born there.??? (My husband was in the AF and we visited Trier often, it was an old Roman ruins but interesting to see. I climbed over 100 stairs in high heels. Very tired afterwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Isaac du Trieux,son of Phillippe Jr or Phillippe Sr? > There was also another Philipe, b 3 Jan 1616, who evidently died young. > Marie was baptized as "Marije" on 5 April 1617, but the father's name is > spelled "du Trier". If this was properly transcribed, I wonder if > indicates that the family had emigrated from Trieste. > > To add to Howard's point about the 1642 baptisms not differentiating > between > Jr and Sr, even if the father were Phillipe Jr, Phillippe Sr. is > conspicuously absent as a sponsor--Isaac would have been his first > Trieux-named grandson. And it seems odd that Phillipe Jr. wouldn't have > baptized one of his first two sons as Phillipe, although it's of course > plausible that there had been one earlier. > > Does anyone know if there were "Juniors" (sons by the same given name of > men > with surnames) about the 1640s who baptized children, and if so, whether > and > how the NA church distinguished them from their fathers? I looked quickly > at > Guillaume Vigne, Joris Rapalje, Hendrick Spier, and Jesse de Foreest, but > surprisingly didn't see a single "Jr." among them. > > > Was the 1652 Indian incident documented well enough to indicate whether > Phillippe Jr. had a wife who was killed at the same time, or is the only > evidence that Phillipe Jr. was married the circumstance of the two births > in > the 1640s? > > Finally, is Jacomyntje the feminine form of Jacob? I'm wondering if Jacob > b > 1645 was named for Jacomyntje/Jacquemyntje. If Jacob was in fact Phillipe > Jr.'s son, such a given name might make sense as a way to honor Jacomyntje > Noiret without interfering with the tradition of naming daughters after > the > female ancestors of Phillippe Jr's wife. > > > Chris > > > On 4/29/07, EShampang@aol.com <EShampang@aol.com> wrote: >> >> I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children of >> Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named Madeleine >> is >> "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? >> Source: >> >> _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ >> (http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek >> ) >> >> >> Kind: >> Madeleine >> vader >> Philippe du Trieux >> doop >> 9 februari 1620 >> religie >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk >> bron 130 p.98 >> >> >> Kind: >> Phlipe >> vader >> Philippe du Trieux >> doop >> 10 februari 1619 >> religie >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk >> bron 130 p.81 >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Adriana van Zwieten discusses this in Chapter 4 of her dissertation, page 154-56 in the UMI copy. You can find the exact title on NNP.org by clicking on Education and Research, and then Bibliography. She notes that when she copied the quote below from her files (at my request), the footnote numbers did not match up, however #1 does correspond with #28, etc.] “The purpose of a small strip of land, seven inches wide, included in a conveyance on the Brouwers Straet in New Amsterdam is explained by a servitude called drop, which allowed a lot owner to pass his rainwater onto the land of his neighbor. Rainwater falling from the eaves of the house of Gillis Verbrugge and Company ran onto Isaack de Foreest’s lot, which by common law was illegal, for water had to be led over Verbrugge’s own land and thence, if necessary, out to the street. Verbrugge was granted the drop privilege that allowed the water from his eaves to fall as it may. However he could not build too near his neighbor, and in fact, had to break off his eaves, allowing seven inches for the drip from his roof, which could then run at will.[1] Aldert Coninck was granted “a free drop . . . of 8 ins.” on the east side facing the lot and house of Asser Levy on the Slyck Steegh in 1662.[2] The space between the houses of Jan Hendricksen Steelman and Evert Duyckingh on the East River was very small. Steelman’s deed of 1661 noted that the south side of Duyckingh’s lot was built on “to extreme line without any drop” and on north east there was a drop of four inches.[3] Henk J. Zantkuyl notes that early urban dwellings in the Netherlands could not take up the entire width of a property, for an open space, or oysen-drop, on both sides of the house was required for the flow of the rainwater falling from the eaves.[4] Local usage or by-laws varied concerning the width of the drop in the seventeenth century. In Holland, Grotius noted it was five inches or according to local statutes. New Amsterdam’s deeds recorded from four to eight inches. An ordinance of Amsterdam set the Husyen-drop at “seven duymen,” or about seven inches. Workmen were fined two guilders in Amsterdam if they made the space narrower than seven inches.[5] The shift from Dutch to English government in 1664 apparently did not affect the old Dutch customs. The confirmation of Aldert Coninck’s property on the Slyck Steegh in 1667 by Governor Richard Nicholls preserved the eight-inch space on the east side for a gutter. Laurens van der Spiegel’s lot on the canal included “a small slip on both sides of Seaven Inches.” In like manner, Governor Edmund Andros specifically allowed “Seven Inches of Ground for Droppings,” when he reissued a block of attached houses on Winckel Straet in 1680 that had formerly belonged to the West India Company.[6]” 28. Grotius, Jurisprudence of Holland, trans. Lee, 1:28-30, 226-227, 282-83; Lee, Roman-Dutch Law, 168. New York County, Deeds, Liber (1654-62, microfiche; translations from original Dutch), 29 (hereafter cited as NY County, Deeds (1654-62); Stokes, Iconography of Manhattan, 2:379. A servitude related to drop was drop-vang, which was the right to receive rainwater from another’s property. Grotius, Jurisprudence of Holland, trans. Lee, 1:226-27. 29. NY County, Deeds (1654-62), 282; NYSA, Patents, 2:119; Stokes, Iconography of Manhattan, 2:401. 30. NY County, Deeds (1654-62), 232-33; Stokes, Iconography of Manhattan, 2:405. 31. Henk J. Zantkuyl, “The Netherlands Town House: How and Why it Works,” in eds. Blackburn and Kelley, New World Dutch Studies. Dutch Arts and Culture in Colonial America, 1609-1776 (Albany, 1987), 144. 32. Grotius, Jurisprudence of Holland, trans. Lee, 1:226-27; Rooseboom, Recueil van Amsterdam, 233-34. 33. NYSA, Patents, 2:42, 119; 5:5, 9; Stokes, Iconography of Manhattan, 2:381, 383, 401. The attached houses were referred to in the records as “The Five Houses of the West India Company.” They were built prior to 1638.

Hello Carolyn, This is a very interesting story, but what does it have to do with the Anneke JANS' Farm? Anneke JANS'm did not include the property that Trinity Church stands on, nor the property that it's cemetery stands on. It was NOT adjacent to the Trinity Church property either. The Farm was near the Holland Tunnel and canal Street, and was North of the World Trade Center site. This farm property was given to Trinity Church by Queen Anne. This is the property of all the infamous law suits, and no one has collected from them. If your relative did indeed obtain $1,000,000, it was for another piece of property (Fulton St and Broadway). Bob . ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyn Leonard Date: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:54 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Info on the Anneke Jans story To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > Hi Dutch Cousins, > Here is a new story that refutes previous information calling a > HOAX > about the Anneke Jans land ownership near Trinity Church in NYC. > > Apparently one of our cousins collected millions because he had > the > proper papers, handed down from my 6th great uncle, > Johannes/John > Cozine/Cosine, son of the Rev. Cornelius COZINE. Another > cousin, Jim > Cozine, found this newspaper story from the 1870s and sent it to > me. > We knew that many members of our family had hired lawyers to > pursue > this interest before deciding it was useless. The diligence of > one > man, Henry Caldwell, paid off, according to Census reports. In > 1870 > he was a grocer in Indianapolis. By 1880 he was living on > Dayton > Street in St. Louis with two servants, and by 1900 the family > (with a > maid, a servant and a nurse) gave their residence in Hyde Park, > Chicago. > Moral of this story: Persistence is the key to success! > > ~New York Times (1857 - current file; Jan 5 1871: ProQuest > Historical > Newspapers, THE NEW YORK TIMES (1851 _ 2003) pg.5 > > Another and Slightly different Story -- His Earnest Pursuit of > More > Property == Two Hundred Acres in Harlem wanted: > > Indianapolis is steadily keeping pace with her slster cities in > tbe > matter of first-class sensations. The last we bave to chronicle > is > one in reference to a settlement of some New-York property, by > which > Mr. H. W. CALDWELL. a well-known grocer of this city, becomes > possessed of a cool mlll1on. The followIng is a brief history of > the > case: > > For the past thirty or forty years the relatives of Mr. CALDWELL > have > been identified with the movement of tbe Anneke Jans heirs to > obtain > possession of tbe Trinity Church property. They based their > expectations upon the fact that one or two ANNEKES are in the > family, > and some deeds, leases and otber papers that have been handed > down > through the family. Finally they all became disgusted and gave > up tbe > claim, refusing to have anything further to do witb the matter. > These > papers came tnto tbe possession of Mr. CALDWELL, and wben he > received > a letter from an uncle in the South, saying that a > representative of > the Anneke Jans heirs bad called upon b1m for information which > be > was supposed to possess in reference to the claim, he turned his > > whole attention to the matter of looking up the record. He > flnally > became convinced that the papers he held were of the greatest > value > to Trinity Church corporation, and accordingly, about five > years > since, he made a proposition to the trustees to sell them for > $100,000, which was refused. > > Mr. CALDWELL then made anotber examination, and discovered that > the > papers he held referred to eight acres of land immediately > adjoining > the Trinity Church property, fronting on Fulton-Street and Broadway. > > Further examination showed that in the year 1773 JOHN COSlNE, > his > great grandfather, leased the property for ninety-nine years, > previous to removing to Pennsylvania. In leases of tbis kind, > seldom > is anything heard of the property again by the heirs of the > original > owner, but in this instance Mr. CALDWELL clearly and fully > established the record to tbe property, the lease on which > expIred in > 1863. He made another proposition, this time to the persons > occupying > the eight acres, offering to sell his individual interest and > the > pnpersln bis possession tor $1,000,000. > > After examining Mr. CALDWELL'S papers and the records, the > gentlemen, > through their agent, agreed to the terms, and on last Friday Mr. > > CALDWELL left for New York, to close up the transfer. Yesterday > he > returned bome, having in his possession the authority of the > occupants to draw on them for $1,000,000. > > Mr. CALDWELL says that after arranging his business matters in > this > City, he will spend tbe rest of his days in Kentucky, which is > the > native State of himself and his wife. He takes his good fortune > very > considerately, but says he is on the hunt for more. > > While in New-York, he learned of 200 acres in Harlem that was in > the > possession of JOHN COSlNE at the time of the lease of the eight > acres > referred to above, and he is satisfied that he can work out full > and > satisfactory claim to a possession of tbat property. If he does, > and > he speaks as though be believes it, CORNELIUS VANDERBILT will > have to > pay him the balance of the purchase money on his famous Harlem > freight depot site. > > > > > YOU are invited to a Dutch Cousins Reunion Friday-Sunday, > September > > 28, 29, and 30, 2007, Shelbyville Kentucky. > > > Hugs, > Carolyn > Remember you have a friend in Oklahoma -- endlessly sorting out > dead > relatives! > Researching COZINE in Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Pennsylvania, > New > Jersey, Nieuw Amsterdam (New York) and the Netherlands. > See the photos of our DUTCH COUSINS gathering in Kentucky in > 2005 here: > http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/PhotoAlbum33.html > and The Anderson Cow Palace meeting house > http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/PhotoAlbum32.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well the old family diaries and papers we have, show the John Cosine family was tracking the Anneke Jans property, so I thought this was it. Sorry if I led anyone down the wrong path. carolyn On Apr 30, 2007, at 6:42 PM, protzy41@optonline.net wrote: > Hello Carolyn, > > This is a very interesting story, but what does it have to do with > the Anneke JANS' Farm? > > Anneke JANS'm did not include the property that Trinity Church > stands on, nor the property that it's cemetery stands on. It was > NOT adjacent to the Trinity Church property either. > > The Farm was near the Holland Tunnel and canal Street, and was > North of the World Trade Center site. This farm property was given > to Trinity Church by Queen Anne. This is the property of all the > infamous law suits, and no one has collected from them. > If your relative did indeed obtain $1,000,000, it was for another > piece of property (Fulton St and Broadway). > > Bob > > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyn Leonard > Date: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:54 pm > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New Info on the Anneke Jans story > To: DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Dutch Cousins, > > Here is a new story that refutes previous information calling a > > HOAX > > about the Anneke Jans land ownership near Trinity Church in NYC. > > > > Apparently one of our cousins collected millions because he had > > the > > proper papers, handed down from my 6th great uncle, > > Johannes/John > > Cozine/Cosine, son of the Rev. Cornelius COZINE. Another > > cousin, Jim > > Cozine, found this newspaper story from the 1870s and sent it to > > me. > > We knew that many members of our family had hired lawyers to > > pursue > > this interest before deciding it was useless. The diligence of > > one > > man, Henry Caldwell, paid off, according to Census reports. In > > 1870 > > he was a grocer in Indianapolis. By 1880 he was living on > > Dayton > > Street in St. Louis with two servants, and by 1900 the family > > (with a > > maid, a servant and a nurse) gave their residence in Hyde Park, > > Chicago. > > Moral of this story: Persistence is the key to success! > > > > ~New York Times (1857 - current file; Jan 5 1871: ProQuest > > Historical > > Newspapers, THE NEW YORK TIMES (1851 _ 2003) pg.5 > > > > Another and Slightly different Story -- His Earnest Pursuit of > > More > > Property == Two Hundred Acres in Harlem wanted: > > > > Indianapolis is steadily keeping pace with her slster cities in > > tbe > > matter of first-class sensations. The last we bave to chronicle > > is > > one in reference to a settlement of some New-York property, by > > which > > Mr. H. W. CALDWELL. a well-known grocer of this city, becomes > > possessed of a cool mlll1on. The followIng is a brief history of > > the > > case: > > > > For the past thirty or forty years the relatives of Mr. CALDWELL > > have > > been identified with the movement of tbe Anneke Jans heirs to > > obtain > > possession of tbe Trinity Church property. They based their > > expectations upon the fact that one or two ANNEKES are in the > > family, > > and some deeds, leases and otber papers that have been handed > > down > > through the family. Finally they all became disgusted and gave > > up tbe > > claim, refusing to have anything further to do witb the matter. > > These > > papers came tnto tbe possession of Mr. CALDWELL, and wben he > > received > > a letter from an uncle in the South, saying that a > > representative of > > the Anneke Jans heirs bad called upon b1m for information which > > be > > was supposed to possess in reference to the claim, he turned his > > > > whole attention to the matter of looking up the record. He > > flnally > > became convinced that the papers he held were of the greatest > > value > > to Trinity Church corporation, and accordingly, about five > > years > > since, he made a proposition to the trustees to sell them for > > $100,000, which was refused. > > > > Mr. CALDWELL then made anotber examination, and discovered that > > the > > papers he held referred to eight acres of land immediately > > adjoining > > the Trinity Church property, fronting on Fulton-Street and Broadway. > > > > Further examination showed that in the year 1773 JOHN COSlNE, > > his > > great grandfather, leased the property for ninety-nine years, > > previous to removing to Pennsylvania. In leases of tbis kind, > > seldom > > is anything heard of the property again by the heirs of the > > original > > owner, but in this instance Mr. CALDWELL clearly and fully > > established the record to tbe property, the lease on which > > expIred in > > 1863. He made another proposition, this time to the persons > > occupying > > the eight acres, offering to sell his individual interest and > > the > > pnpersln bis possession tor $1,000,000. > > > > After examining Mr. CALDWELL'S papers and the records, the > > gentlemen, > > through their agent, agreed to the terms, and on last Friday Mr. > > > > CALDWELL left for New York, to close up the transfer. Yesterday > > he > > returned bome, having in his possession the authority of the > > occupants to draw on them for $1,000,000. > > > > Mr. CALDWELL says that after arranging his business matters in > > this > > City, he will spend tbe rest of his days in Kentucky, which is > > the > > native State of himself and his wife. He takes his good fortune > > very > > considerately, but says he is on the hunt for more. > > > > While in New-York, he learned of 200 acres in Harlem that was in > > the > > possession of JOHN COSlNE at the time of the lease of the eight > > acres > > referred to above, and he is satisfied that he can work out full > > and > > satisfactory claim to a possession of tbat property. If he does, > > and > > he speaks as though be believes it, CORNELIUS VANDERBILT will > > have to > > pay him the balance of the purchase money on his famous Harlem > > freight depot site. > > > > > > > > YOU are invited to a Dutch Cousins Reunion Friday-Sunday, > > September > > > 28, 29, and 30, 2007, Shelbyville Kentucky. > > > > > > Hugs, > > Carolyn > > Remember you have a friend in Oklahoma -- endlessly sorting out > > dead > > relatives! > > Researching COZINE in Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Pennsylvania, > > New > > Jersey, Nieuw Amsterdam (New York) and the Netherlands. > > See the photos of our DUTCH COUSINS gathering in Kentucky in > > 2005 here: > > http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/ > PhotoAlbum33.html > > and The Anderson Cow Palace meeting house > > http://homepage.mac.com/carolynleonard/Dutch_Cousins/ > PhotoAlbum32.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Howdy everyone.... I still live up here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Unofficially adopted by Baxter Swartwout during a family reunion, being all by myself. Not being able to drive, strokes and seizures what a wonderful combination... Anyhow, I am now the official Family Forest keeper for family. I sure would love hearing from those of you who are even remotely connected to the family.... Stories, obituaries, pictures etc. are the most prized commodity at the reunion. We have a spot in the Finger Lakes area Museum that is dedicated solely to the family. You can help us make it grow, and make us grow with your knowledge. Heck, I'd be the first to say, I need anyone's help...... Just don't get into fistcuffs over who going to be first in line.... I love all my cousins. I just wish I knew how to set up a blog.... Just finished our income taxes for the family and my eyes are rotating in my head.... I think you all know what I mean... For taxes there are no borders, just lots of give me money...... Kathy Hastings-Swartwout-Hoeldke --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

In a message dated 4/29/2007 11:16:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cjschopfer@gmail.com writes: Trier Thanks, Chris. Sometimes fuzzy searches don't give all the possible results. Betty ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Barbara, [NYG&BR 24:30] "Fishkill Inscriptions" Swartwout. Hier Leyt Het Lighaam van JACOBUS SWARTWOUT, Zynde In de Heere Gerust Den 3 Dagh van April, 1749, Oude Zynde 57 Jaar., 1 maande en 20 Dagen. (Jacobus Swartwout died April 3, 1749, aged 57 y. 1 m. 20 d.) Van Voorhis, E. W. Tombstone inscriptions from the churchyard of the First Reformed Dutch Church of Fishkill village, Dutchess Co., N.Y. New York: Press of G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1882?, p 157 And, CORNELIUS, son of Simon and Ruth Swartwout Died Sept. 8, 1831 Aged 22 yrs., 4 mos. The office has a wonderful book of photographs taken by Eagle Scouts in the area. Regards, Pam Sears

Yes, am interested in the tombstones.Thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Swartwout >I paid a short visit to the RDC of Fishkill this afternoon, and noticed a >few Swartwout tombstoes. I was reminded of the recent conversation on this >list regarding the Swartwouts. I'm sorry my camera was out of room, and I >had no paper to copy them down, but plan to go back soon if anyone is >interested. > > Barbara from NJ > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Historian, genealogist and attorney > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > (201) 567-9440 office > BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was also another Philipe, b 3 Jan 1616, who evidently died young. Marie was baptized as "Marije" on 5 April 1617, but the father's name is spelled "du Trier". If this was properly transcribed, I wonder if indicates that the family had emigrated from Trieste. To add to Howard's point about the 1642 baptisms not differentiating between Jr and Sr, even if the father were Phillipe Jr, Phillippe Sr. is conspicuously absent as a sponsor--Isaac would have been his first Trieux-named grandson. And it seems odd that Phillipe Jr. wouldn't have baptized one of his first two sons as Phillipe, although it's of course plausible that there had been one earlier. Does anyone know if there were "Juniors" (sons by the same given name of men with surnames) about the 1640s who baptized children, and if so, whether and how the NA church distinguished them from their fathers? I looked quickly at Guillaume Vigne, Joris Rapalje, Hendrick Spier, and Jesse de Foreest, but surprisingly didn't see a single "Jr." among them. Was the 1652 Indian incident documented well enough to indicate whether Phillippe Jr. had a wife who was killed at the same time, or is the only evidence that Phillipe Jr. was married the circumstance of the two births in the 1640s? Finally, is Jacomyntje the feminine form of Jacob? I'm wondering if Jacob b 1645 was named for Jacomyntje/Jacquemyntje. If Jacob was in fact Phillipe Jr.'s son, such a given name might make sense as a way to honor Jacomyntje Noiret without interfering with the tradition of naming daughters after the female ancestors of Phillippe Jr's wife. Chris On 4/29/07, EShampang@aol.com <EShampang@aol.com> wrote: > > I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children of > Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named Madeleine > is > "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? > Source: > > _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ > (http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek > ) > > > Kind: > Madeleine > vader > Philippe du Trieux > doop > 9 februari 1620 > religie > Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > bron 130 p.98 > > > Kind: > Phlipe > vader > Philippe du Trieux > doop > 10 februari 1619 > religie > Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > bron 130 p.81 > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Larry, The date is correct. Samuel DEMARESTand his twin, 'Margrietjin' were baptised 12 Oct 1746 in the Schraalenburgh Reformed Church. Parents recorded as David DEMAREST and Catrina VAN HOUTEN. Witnesses Hillebrant LIZIER and wife, for Samuel. Witnesses Theunis VAN HOUTEN and wife, for Margrietjin. (caps. mine) "Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey" Part II, c. 1891 The Holland Society, 1998 reprint by Bergen Historic Books, page 101. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Voreis Date: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:15 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Samuel Demarest (1746-1811) To: Dutch Colonies List > Dear List, > > I am trying to verify the baptism of Samuel Demarest on 12 Oct. > 1746 at RDC Schraalenburgh, the son of David Demarest and > Catherina VanHouten. Can anyone give me a reference for > Schraalenburgh baptism records? I am trying to verify dates > published in both the 1938 and 1964 versions of The Demarest Family. > > Regards, > Larry Voreis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I paid a short visit to the RDC of Fishkill this afternoon, and noticed a few Swartwout tombstoes. I was reminded of the recent conversation on this list regarding the Swartwouts. I'm sorry my camera was out of room, and I had no paper to copy them down, but plan to go back soon if anyone is interested. Barbara from NJ Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/

Hi Marg, You wrote (in part): > Annatie NAMBURGH's line is very short! Any ideas? > > 5 x GGrandparents: > Agie (Effie) MABIE, b. August 1745, m. Petrus SYFFER, b.1739 > > 6 x GGrandparents: > Jeremyas MABIE, b. June 1699, m. Annatie NAMBURGH Your Annatie Namburgh was really Annatie VAN AMBURGH, but the clerk or minister at Tarrytown had some difficulty with her surname. The Van Amburgh family was from Almelo, Overijsssel, Netherlands (as per the following marriage record) and settled (first) in the Fishkill area of Dutchess County, New York (formed in 1683), which is north of Tarrytown. The marriage of Hendrick Arentszen (Van Amburgh) to Aeltje Claes (the widow of Machiel Ferre) was recorded at the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York on 11 May 1664. Aeltje had married Machiel Ferre [Banns] after 17 Apr 1660 in the New Amsterdam Reformed Dutch Church, but no information is given in the record beyond their names. They baptized one son (Peter) at Kingston on 10 Apr 1662. Source: Baptismal and Marriage Register of the Old Dutch Church of Kingston, Ulster County, New York 1660-1809; Transcribed and Edited by Roswell Randall Hoes (published in New York 1891; reprinted by Genealogical Publishing, Baltimore, MD 1980 & 1997) 11 May 1664; [Hoes M#14] Hendrick Arentsen, j.m., of Almelo*, in Overyssel, and Aeltje Claes, of [New] Amsterdam, in Nieunederlant [New Netherland], widow of Macciel Ferre, both resid. here [in Wiltwyck, now Kingston]. First publication of Banns, 27 April; second, 4 May; third, 11 May. * Almelo, in the Province of Overijssel, 25 miles E.S.E. of Zwolle, the capital of Overijssel Abraham Hendrickszen (Van Amburgh), the son of Hendrick Arentszen and Aeltje Claes, was born circa 1668, probably in the Fishkill area. He married circa 1694 to Anna Canniff, who was born circa 1676 (probably on the Manor of Courtland in Westchester), the daughter of Jeremiah Canniff and Anna Woelfse. Your Annatje Van Amburgh was born probably at Fishkill, and baptized at the Old Dutch Church of Kingston: 30 Jun 1700; [Hoes B#1179] Abraa Hendrickse, Anna Kerf; Anna; Johannes Schepmoes, Jan Buys, Neeltje Gerritsen. Annatje had 2 siblings who were also baptized at Kingston: Hendrick on 24 Nov 1695 and Isaac on 26 Sep 1697. Both Hendrick and Isaac married at Tarrytown (again, shown as "Namburgh" in the records). Annatje Van Amburgh married (1st) to Willem Brouwer (son of Samuel Brouwer and Margietje Smidt) on 6 Nov 1725 at First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow): Nov. 6, 1725 - Willem Brouwer, j. m., b. on the Minnaer of Cortlandt, and Annatie Namburgh, b. in Duys Co. Both l. on the Minnaer of Cortlandt. "Duys Co." is Dutchess County, and "Minnaer" is Manor. Following the death of Willem Brouwer, Annatje Van Amburgh married Jeremias Mabie, who was himself the widower of Helena Concklin (or Canckley), at Tarrytown: Aug. 22, 1730 - Jeremyas Mebie, widower of Helena Canckely, b. in Harlem, l. in Phillips Burgh, and Annatie Namburgh, widow of Willem Brouwer (see No. 53), b. in Viskill, l. on the Mennaer of Cortlant. Additions/corrections are always welcome. Regards, Pam Sears

I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children of Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named Madeleine is "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? Source: _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ (http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek) Kind: Madeleine vader Philippe du Trieux doop 9 februari 1620 religie Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk bron 130 p.98 Kind: Phlipe vader Philippe du Trieux doop 10 februari 1619 religie Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk bron 130 p.81 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Nancy, Thank you very much for the citation, I appreciate your help. Regards, Larry > Larry, > > The date is correct. Samuel DEMARESTand his twin, 'Margrietjin' were > baptised 12 Oct 1746 in the Schraalenburgh Reformed Church. Parents > recorded as David DEMAREST and Catrina VAN HOUTEN. Witnesses Hillebrant > LIZIER and wife, for Samuel. Witnesses Theunis VAN HOUTEN and wife, for > Margrietjin. (caps. mine) > > "Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, > New Jersey" Part II, c. 1891 The Holland Society, 1998 reprint by Bergen > Historic Books, page 101. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Voreis > Date: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:15 pm > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Samuel Demarest (1746-1811) > To: Dutch Colonies List > >> Dear List, >> >> I am trying to verify the baptism of Samuel Demarest on 12 Oct. >> 1746 at RDC Schraalenburgh, the son of David Demarest and >> Catherina VanHouten. Can anyone give me a reference for >> Schraalenburgh baptism records? I am trying to verify dates >> published in both the 1938 and 1964 versions of The Demarest Family. >> >> Regards, >> Larry Voreis >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, I am trying to verify the baptism of Samuel Demarest on 12 Oct. 1746 at RDC Schraalenburgh, the son of David Demarest and Catherina VanHouten. Can anyone give me a reference for Schraalenburgh baptism records? I am trying to verify dates published in both the 1938 and 1964 versions of The Demarest Family. Regards, Larry Voreis

Hi Marg Smith-- Contact the UInderhill Society with your question. It is a very active group with a huge resource of information. joan