Hello Pat, Type in The American Genealogist (TAG) in google. Select the second title, Back Issues. They have The October 2002 issue for sale. It is $9.00. Have a GOOD day, Jon Wenzel --- Patsy Sutton <patsysutton@pixius.net> wrote: > Good Morning , > > I would like to make contact with someone who is a > subscriber to the TAG > (The American Genealogist). I am needing a copy > of an aricle that > appeared in the October 2002 Volume 7 #4 issue. > > Thanks for any assistance and have a great day. > > Pat in KS > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121

Hi List, I thought this Rev. War document was so interesting that I thought some on the list might like to read it, it mentions several names. This document is for sale on Ebay. While it may not be a word by word account of the document, I think it's pretty close. 253: 1777, Revolutionary War, Manuscript Document American Revolution ____________________________________ Local Home Guard Organized After NY Militia Leaves July 10, 1777, Revolutionary War, Manuscript Document, Organizing an Informal Home Guard to Defend the Districts of Coxsackie and Great Imbought, Rare, About Fine. In this important handwritten document, signed by Philip Conine as chairman for the committee, the citizens of Coxsackie and Great Imbought have organized an informal home guard to protect the area, because all the able-bodied men were already serving in the militia. This 1 page 12.5 x 7.5" document is in nice condition, easily readable, with damp staining at the top, burned areas in the bottom margin (not affecting the content), a .5" tear in the top margin, and old repairs on the back. This document reads, in part: "Whereas on the requisition of General Schuyler the militia of the districts of Coxsackie and the Great Imbought are called to actual service by reason whereof the committees of the said districts do suppose the greatest part of the inhabitants of the said districts will be from home and none remaining but those not enrolled and otherwise exempted from militia service which said persons may and by the said committees are supposed willing to do for the public good and safety all what may be in their power ? have thought proper to appoint in each beat of the said districts one discreet person to take the command and management of the same under the direction ? if present during the absence of the militia in case of any insurrection or other disturbance which may happen- Resolved that Robert Van Den Bergh be the person to take the command in the first beat, that Arent Van Schack be the person in the second beat, that Henry Oouthaudt be the person in the third beat, that Ghosen Van Bergen be the person in the fourth heat, and that Chosen Van Schack be the person in the fifth beat or company- Resolved further that the aforesaid persons and hereby are required as soon as possible to cause all such persons not enrolled and exempted from militia service by age or otherwise as aforesaid in each different to be warned to hold themselves in readiness, provided with arms and accoutrements to repair to such place of rendezvous as the aforesaid persons in each beat shall appoint to quell all insurrections and other disturbances that may happen during the absence of the militia that in ease of any alarms insurrection or other disturbance the persons above appointed do call or cause to be called the Chairman of Coxsackie District for such ammunition as may be wanted and that they also do acquaint the inhabitants that ammunition in such case will be provided for them." The docketing on the back indicates that this document was ""For Mr. Robert Van Den Bergh," and it must have been retained in his personal files. An unusual and rare Revolutionary War document, showing that local communities had to defend themselves when the militia was called away. Philip Conine was a member of the Albany County Committee of Safety, and a Lieutenant in Colonel James Clinton’s 3rd Regiment." ____________________________________ See what's free at _AOL.com_ (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503) . ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Good Morning , I would like to make contact with someone who is a subscriber to the TAG (The American Genealogist). I am needing a copy of an aricle that appeared in the October 2002 Volume 7 #4 issue. Thanks for any assistance and have a great day. Pat in KS

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Has anybody read this: ...Prudence,.., would have prompted Kieft to pass over, in the present excited state of feeling among the Indians, these petty aggressions,... Secretary van Tienhoven was dispatched with an armed force of fifty soldiers and twenty sailors, under the command of Hendrick Gerritsen,... Arrived on the ground, Van Tienhoven lost all control over his followers, who demanded permission to slaughter and plunder the Indians at once. The secretary, irritated at this insubordination, quitted the party, warning them that they should have to answer for whatever mischief might result from their disobedience. But all his monitions were disregarded.... (O'Callaghan's account of this incident runs counter to the story that Van Tienhoven instigated the massacre and then left the scene, absolving himself of responsibility). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I haven't read anything about Kieft passing over anything but I'm in the process of rewriting and adding all of the new material that I've found in the past year. There is a lot about that incident and i'm not so sure that Kieft is any less the scoundrel than van Tienhoven. I'll check all of my new info as I rewrite and add today and tomorrow and send opinion and references if you would like. ECC123@aol.com wrote: Has anybody read this: ...Prudence,.., would have prompted Kieft to pass over, in the present excited state of feeling among the Indians, these petty aggressions,... Secretary van Tienhoven was dispatched with an armed force of fifty soldiers and twenty sailors, under the command of Hendrick Gerritsen,... Arrived on the ground, Van Tienhoven lost all control over his followers, who demanded permission to slaughter and plunder the Indians at once. The secretary, irritated at this insubordination, quitted the party, warning them that they should have to answer for whatever mischief might result from their disobedience. But all his monitions were disregarded.... (O'Callaghan's account of this incident runs counter to the story that Van Tienhoven instigated the massacre and then left the scene, absolving himself of responsibility). ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is so interesting to me to see buildings that are of Dutch origin. We had two in the area where the Low Dutch settled in Shelby/Henry County, KY. ca 1780. They have both fallen but the roof is still intact, just sitting on the fallen barn. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Roberts" <droberts@olg.com> To: <DUTCH-COLONIES@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Swearingen/VanSweringen Reunion - June 23, 2007 > This is a slightly edited e-mail which appeared on the MDSTMARY list; the > list for St. Mary's County, Maryland. > Anyone interested in the Van Sweringen family might wish to take note of > this reunion. > > Also, I attended a lecture at Historic St. Mary's City last week. One of > the > sites uncovered and later reconstructed was an inn / "hotel" operated at > St. > Mary's City, then Maryland's capital, by Garret Van Sweringen, a Dutch > immigrant from New Netherland to Maryland. One of the points made by the > archaeologist giving the lecture was that Van Sweringen's buildings were > constructed in a Dutch rather than English style & his buildings more > resembled buildings of the period found in New Jersey & New York than > other > English-style buildings in Tidewater Virginia or Maryland. > > David > > David Roberts > Hollywood, MD > VAN VELSOR - Oyster Bay, L. I., N. Y. > > > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Swearingen/VanSweringen Reunion - June 23, 2007 > > >> >> SWEARINGEN REUNION - June 23rd, 2007 at Historic St Mary's City. >> >> Reunion Contact: Mark Swearingen bethelparkmark@yahoo.com >> >> 10:00 am Swearingen reunion attendees at the tent area of the Visitors > Center. >> Tours are being set up for the reunion group; indications are needed in > order to arrange for our tour quides. Lunch is planned for noon at the > Visitors Center. >> Pre-registration and costs will be available from Mark Swearingen, >> Reunion > Contact. >> >> To Be Determined: informal Swearingen researchers gathering for Sunday, > June 24th. >> >> The date designated is June 23, 2007 at Historic St. Mary's City, >> Maryland > and coincides with the Grand Opening of the new exhibit at the Van > Sweringen > Site. The museum is hosting an official ceremony at 1:00, walking tours > with > research staff and lectures in the Visitors Center at 4 pm. >> >> See their website: www.stmaryscity.org/events.html >> For directions to their location: www.stmaryscity.org/Location.html >> Places to stay: http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/Tourism >> Weather: www.wunderground.com use zipcode: 20686 (weather at St Mary's > City) >> The weather is usually warm in June but bring a light sweater for > evenings. Wear comfortable clothing and walking shoes. >> >> Other information of interest: >> http://mdroots.thinkport.org/resources/video2.asp (historical look at St. > Marys City) >> www.rootsweb.com/stmary (postings of those researching in St Marys > County) >> http://www.stmaryscity.org/Visit.html (for a historical view) >> http://genforum.genealogy.com/swearingen/messages/3385.html (information > on the Prins Maurits - ship wreck. >> >> There is a tremendous amount of information on the web for St. Mary's >> City > and Leonardtown (where the historical society resides) and other things to > do in the area. >> The genealogy society for St Mary's County has been wonderful so do look > them up and contact them as well. >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

This is a slightly edited e-mail which appeared on the MDSTMARY list; the list for St. Mary's County, Maryland. Anyone interested in the Van Sweringen family might wish to take note of this reunion. Also, I attended a lecture at Historic St. Mary's City last week. One of the sites uncovered and later reconstructed was an inn / "hotel" operated at St. Mary's City, then Maryland's capital, by Garret Van Sweringen, a Dutch immigrant from New Netherland to Maryland. One of the points made by the archaeologist giving the lecture was that Van Sweringen's buildings were constructed in a Dutch rather than English style & his buildings more resembled buildings of the period found in New Jersey & New York than other English-style buildings in Tidewater Virginia or Maryland. David David Roberts Hollywood, MD VAN VELSOR - Oyster Bay, L. I., N. Y. Subject: [MDSTMARY] Swearingen/VanSweringen Reunion - June 23, 2007 > > SWEARINGEN REUNION - June 23rd, 2007 at Historic St Mary's City. > > Reunion Contact: Mark Swearingen bethelparkmark@yahoo.com > > 10:00 am Swearingen reunion attendees at the tent area of the Visitors Center. > Tours are being set up for the reunion group; indications are needed in order to arrange for our tour quides. Lunch is planned for noon at the Visitors Center. > Pre-registration and costs will be available from Mark Swearingen, Reunion Contact. > > To Be Determined: informal Swearingen researchers gathering for Sunday, June 24th. > > The date designated is June 23, 2007 at Historic St. Mary's City, Maryland and coincides with the Grand Opening of the new exhibit at the Van Sweringen Site. The museum is hosting an official ceremony at 1:00, walking tours with research staff and lectures in the Visitors Center at 4 pm. > > See their website: www.stmaryscity.org/events.html > For directions to their location: www.stmaryscity.org/Location.html > Places to stay: http://www.co.saint-marys.md.us/Tourism > Weather: www.wunderground.com use zipcode: 20686 (weather at St Mary's City) > The weather is usually warm in June but bring a light sweater for evenings. Wear comfortable clothing and walking shoes. > > Other information of interest: > http://mdroots.thinkport.org/resources/video2.asp (historical look at St. Marys City) > www.rootsweb.com/stmary (postings of those researching in St Marys County) > http://www.stmaryscity.org/Visit.html (for a historical view) > http://genforum.genealogy.com/swearingen/messages/3385.html (information on the Prins Maurits - ship wreck. > > There is a tremendous amount of information on the web for St. Mary's City and Leonardtown (where the historical society resides) and other things to do in the area. > The genealogy society for St Mary's County has been wonderful so do look them up and contact them as well. >

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You said "right family, wrong person." and do read Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. I've read the Fulkerson information and know about Cornelius van Tienhoven. Yes, he started the war with the Indians but what does that have to do with the heading SOCCER and the statements there about Ariaentje Cuvilje? We're talking about the Seversmith article from which The Volkertszen site writer apparently got his material. Why is this the right family, wrong person? Can you explain your train of thought here? Elizabeth === Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. I'm not sure what you are talking about. "

Hi Nan, > Howard, I am unfamiliar with Tag Vol 12. Would you please tell me how I can > view it? Thanks, Nan See: http://www.americangenealogist.com/ The best way to view it is to go to a library that has it. If no library near you has it, you can get copies of articles from the Allen Co. library: http://www.acpl.lib.in.us/genealogy/ArticleRequest.pdf Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

In a message dated 5/3/2007 elizajohn@sbcglobal.net writes: <Hi Ethel, As another of Ariaentje Cuvilje 10th gr. granddaughters, this story struck me just as it did you. I have a reference for this and believe it is possibly the source of Seversmith's information: O'Callaghan's HIstory of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 O'Callaghan wrote "Tradition says that Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then gives the story as told by Seversmith. Hope this helps... > Elizabeth Hi Elizabeth, I tried tracking down the source of this story and found no proof. Seversmith's proof “and it has been said” and Fulkerson added sick humor to the story by calling it SOCCER. O'Callaghan begins with "Tradition says ..." I will add this to my comments. Thanks Elizabeth. Maybe someone will find a fourth reference for this 'story'. Seversmith wrote a family story beginning “and it has been said” without documentation or proof. “However, high feeling existed between the Dutch and the Indians; and it has been said of Adrienne Cuvellier that when one of her sons-in-law returned from the massacre of the Pavonia Indians in February 1643, with thirty prisoners and also heads of several of the defunct enemy, she, "forgetful of those finer feelings that do honor to her sex, amused herself in kicking about the heads of the dead men which had been brought in as bloody trophies of the midnight slaughter". This unproven story by Seversmith was repeated with embellishments in The Vigne Family by Fulkerson [on line] under the heading SOCCER. “During that bloody 1643 war with the Indians, a group of soldiers paraded through New Amsterdam's streets after an attack on a Canarsie village. The soldiers had beheaded some of the fallen Indians and carried the heads on long poles. As they paraded past Ariantje, one of the heads fell and landed at her feet. With a burst of enthusiasm she gave it her best kick and off it flew, to the dismay of many in the crowd who blamed her family for the war and also looked down upon her savage behavior.” O'Callaghan wrote "Tradition says that Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then gives the story as told by Seversmith. *Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier), Matriarch of New Amsterdam” by Herbert F. Seversmith, National Genealogical Society Quarterly 1947 [V.35:65-69] *Vigne Family _http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html_ (http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html) *O'Callaghan's HIstory of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

right family, wrong person. Do read the article about Cornelius Van Tienhoven, her son in law. He's the one who started the war with Indians. The article is at fulkerson.org site. David Samuelsen, 11th and 12th ggson of Adrienne through her 2 daughters Christine and Rachel. ETHELKK@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/3/2007 elizajohn@sbcglobal.net writes: > <Hi Ethel, As another of Ariaentje Cuvilje 10th gr. granddaughters, this > story struck me just as it did you. I have a reference for this and believe it > is possibly the source of Seversmith's information: O'Callaghan's HIstory > of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 O'Callaghan wrote "Tradition says that > Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then gives the story as told by > Seversmith. > Hope this helps... > Elizabeth > > > > Hi Elizabeth, > I tried tracking down the source of this story and found no proof. > Seversmith's proof “and it has been said” and Fulkerson added sick humor to the > story by calling it SOCCER. O'Callaghan begins with "Tradition says ..." > I will add this to my comments. Thanks Elizabeth. Maybe someone will find a > fourth reference for this 'story'. > > Seversmith wrote a family story beginning “and it has been said” without > documentation or proof. “However, high feeling existed between the Dutch > and the Indians; and it has been said of Adrienne Cuvellier that when one of > her sons-in-law returned from the massacre of the Pavonia Indians in February > 1643, with thirty prisoners and also heads of several of the defunct enemy, > she, "forgetful of those finer feelings that do honor to her sex, amused > herself in kicking about the heads of the dead men which had been brought in as > bloody trophies of the midnight slaughter". This unproven story by Seversmith > was repeated with embellishments in The Vigne Family by Fulkerson [on line] > under the heading SOCCER. “During that bloody 1643 war with the Indians, a > group of soldiers paraded through New Amsterdam's streets after an attack on a > Canarsie village. The soldiers had beheaded some of the fallen Indians and > carried the heads on long poles. As they paraded past Ariantje, one of the heads > fell and landed at her feet. With a burst of enthusiasm she gave it her best > kick and off it flew, to the dismay of many in the crowd who blamed her > family for the war and also looked down upon her savage behavior.” O'Callaghan > wrote "Tradition says that Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then > gives the story as told by Seversmith. > > *Ariaentje Cuvilje (Adrienne Cuvellier), Matriarch of New Amsterdam” > by Herbert F. Seversmith, National Genealogical Society Quarterly 1947 > [V.35:65-69] > *Vigne Family _http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html_ > (http://www.fulkerson.org/1-vigne.html) > *O'Callaghan's HIstory of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Howard, I am unfamiliar with Tag Vol 12. Would you please tell me how I can view it? Thanks, Nan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hi all, Finding the Jan Pieterszen article I mentioned today reminded me that there had been a series of article (by Henry Hoff) in the NYGBR newsletter about articles on New York people and families that appear in other journals. They are now online here: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=listarticles&secid=9 They include TAG, NEHGR, NGSQ and others. As you will see, they index not only families but also various NY source records that appear in those other journals. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hi all, I recently ran across and article that may interest some here: "The Identification of Jan Pieterszen van Huysen" by Anne Lawrence de Forest (Mrs. Louis Effingham de Forest) in TAG vol 12 (July 1935), pp 70-76. Since there were several men named Jan Pieterszen in NA and since sometimes they are recorded without additional identifying names, it is sometimes hard to tell who is who. She has done what appears to me to be a good job identifying all the events, etc. which apply to this particular J.P. Which would (if she is correct) eliminate them for the other J. P.s. One thing she has done is to look at several original records which have his mark. These enabled her to be sure they were the same man whether it had "van Huysen" or "van Housem" or not. Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Hi Ethel, As another of Ariaentje Cuvilje 10th gr. granddaughters, this story struck me just as it did you. I have a reference for this and believe it is possibly the source of Seversmith's information: O'Callaghan's HIstory of New Netherlands, Vol. I, p.269 O'Callaghan wrote "Tradition says that Guleyn Vigne's wife, Ariaentje Cuvilje... and then gives the story as told by Seversmith. Hope this helps... Elizabeth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd like to thank everyone who has helped with my recent questions. This is a great list. Steve

Chris, The French "du" = "of the." It is a contraction of the preposition "de" and the masculine singular article "le." The feminine form would be "de la" and the plural is "des." Regards, Ted Snediker -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> > My mistake, I had mis-recalled that Trier was the German name for Trieste. > In fact, there are (at least) two cities of names such as these in > Europe--Trier in Germany and Trieste in Italy. > > I notice that Trier is only about 30 miles from the Belgian border (with > Luxembourg between). It wouldn't surprise me at all to find that Walloons > such as the du Trieuxs may have come from there. But please note that this > is conjecture on my part, except for the single baptism record I mentioned. > > Can anyone tell us the meaning of "du" in such names as du Trieux, du > Chesne, du Cloux, etc.? > > Chris > > On 5/1/07, Donna Stark wrote: > > > > There is a Trier in Germany, It is possible they were French and escaped > > to > > Germany and Marie was born there.??? (My husband was in the AF and we > > visited Trier often, it was an old Roman ruins but interesting to see. I > > climbed over 100 stairs in high heels. Very tired afterwards. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Schopfer" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Isaac du Trieux,son of Phillippe Jr or > > Phillippe Sr? > > > > > > > There was also another Philipe, b 3 Jan 1616, who evidently died young. > > > Marie was baptized as "Marije" on 5 April 1617, but the father's name is > > > spelled "du Trier". If this was properly transcribed, I wonder if > > > indicates that the family had emigrated from Trieste. > > > > > > To add to Howard's point about the 1642 baptisms not differentiating > > > between > > > Jr and Sr, even if the father were Phillipe Jr, Phillippe Sr. is > > > conspicuously absent as a sponsor--Isaac would have been his first > > > Trieux-named grandson. And it seems odd that Phillipe Jr. wouldn't have > > > baptized one of his first two sons as Phillipe, although it's of course > > > plausible that there had been one earlier. > > > > > > Does anyone know if there were "Juniors" (sons by the same given name of > > > men > > > with surnames) about the 1640s who baptized children, and if so, whether > > > and > > > how the NA church distinguished them from their fathers? I looked > > quickly > > > at > > > Guillaume Vigne, Joris Rapalje, Hendrick Spier, and Jesse de Foreest, > > but > > > surprisingly didn't see a single "Jr." among them. > > > > > > > > > Was the 1652 Indian incident documented well enough to indicate whether > > > Phillippe Jr. had a wife who was killed at the same time, or is the only > > > evidence that Phillipe Jr. was married the circumstance of the two > > births > > > in > > > the 1640s? > > > > > > Finally, is Jacomyntje the feminine form of Jacob? I'm wondering if > > Jacob > > > b > > > 1645 was named for Jacomyntje/Jacquemyntje. If Jacob was in fact > > Phillipe > > > Jr.'s son, such a given name might make sense as a way to honor > > Jacomyntje > > > Noiret without interfering with the tradition of naming daughters after > > > the > > > female ancestors of Phillippe Jr's wife. > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On 4/29/07, EShampang@aol.com wrote: > > >> > > >> I also have Du Trieux in my indirect line and have these two children > > of > > >> Philipe Sr. & Jacqueline. Does anyone know if this child named > > Madeleine > > >> is > > >> "Maria/Marie" or another daughter? > > >> Source: > > >> > > >> > > _http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek_ > > >> ( > > http://gemeentearchief.amsterdam.nl/archieven/genealogie/doopregisters/zoek > > >> ) > > >> > > >> > > >> Kind: > > >> Madeleine > > >> vader > > >> Philippe du Trieux > > >> doop > > >> 9 februari 1620 > > >> religie > > >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > > >> bron 130 p.98 > > >> > > >> > > >> Kind: > > >> Phlipe > > >> vader > > >> Philippe du Trieux > > >> doop > > >> 10 februari 1619 > > >> religie > > >> Waals-Hervormd, Oude Waalse kerk > > >> bron 130 p.81 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ************************************** See what's free at > > >> http://www.aol.com. > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com > > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > >> body > > >> of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Steph: I didn't mean to imply that I looked for the word "Junior" or its various forms. I looked to see if the NA baptisms in that era (i.e., those that might have been writted by someone who recorded du Trieux baptisms) showed, for example, a father-son pair of Jesse De Foreest men (which there weren't, since Jesse "Sr." died before Jesse "Jr" reached adulthood). I saw no son of Isaac De Foreest's named Isaac, no son of Hendrick Spier's named Hendrick, etc. There must have been relatively few two-generation families in NA by 1640, so I don't know whether there happened to be a set of father-son records that could serve as a benchmark for the two men named Phillipe du Trieux. Chris On 5/1/07, Thomas Hochuli <thochuli@cfl.rr.com> wrote: > > Jr. was not commonly used in New Netherlands until somewhat later. > According to my notes. Philippe Du Treiux was born about 1586 at Roubaix, > near Lille, French Flanders and was consider a Walloon. There were two > children named Philippe. The Second one is presumed to have survived. I > have > two descents through this line , two from Maria and one from Rebecca. > There > have been arguments on whether the father of Isaac and Jacob was father or > son forever. I checked all of my research material..Noone really agrees on > this. Steph > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >