Hello Barbara, I would very much purchase a copy of, "West of the Salt". Please put my name; Jon Wenzel, 5487 Gunther Road, Mariposa, California, 95338; and e-mail; jdw22745@yahoo.com on a list of people to be notified when the book is finished. Have a Good day, Jon Wenzel --- Barbara Terhune <batcave@695online.com> wrote: > Barbara, Donna, Judy and any others interested in > this topic, > > Below is a copy of Chapter III in the book we are > preparing, "West of > the Salt", about early Dutch settlers of Mercer > Co., KY . > It should be noted that the two groups led by > Hendrick Banta and Sam > Durie had no intention of settling in Mercer Co. > They > had planned to settle in the vicinity of > Boonesborough., about 10 miles > south of present-day Lexington, KY (Fayette Co.) > > However, they were driven to Fort Harrod (in Mercer > Co.) by desperation > and necessity after devastating Indian attacks. > Fort Harrod > was the "Gibralter" of the frontier, heavily > fortified and surrounded > by a number of "stations" that served as early > warning systems > against Indian raiding parties. Fort Harrod was > never breached. > > For further enlightenment on these families and > their ordeal we > recommend Vincent Akers' study of the Low Dutch > Company, > published in "De Halve Maen" Vol. LV, No. 2, Summer > 1980; the Banta > family history, "Banta Pioneers"; and Rev. > Demarest's, > "History of the Low Dutch Colony of Conewago", > published in local > newspapers circa 1889. > > Barbara and Paul Terhune > > Chapter III > Dutch Migration into Kentucky and > The Low Dutch Company Settlement > > As the Revolutionary War progressed during the > 1770s, the Dutch > settlers at Conewago and Virginia began hearing > stories of the Kentucky > frontier. The Transylvania Co. had spread stories > of the wonders of > Kentucky to induce sales of land; and Harrod's > Station and Boonesborough > settlements started becoming well known. The Dutch > were intrigued at > the idea of the availability of cheap, fertile land > supposedly being in > Kentucky. They started to plan for a communal > settlement on a huge land > purchase that would accommodate their visceral need > to preserve their > Dutch culture and lifestyle. To that end, they > decided to send an > experienced Dutchman to determine the suitability of > the land for > settlement. > > In the spring of 1779, Samuel Duree left the > Virginia area in the > company of a party of other men, none Dutch, and > traveled down the > Wilderness Trail through the Cumberland Gap to > Boonesborough. Despite > the constant threat of Indian attack, the men > traveled in the vicinity > and made land claims. The claims (i.e. > "improvements" in the vernacular > of the day) were several miles south of > Boonesborough and a few miles > east of present-day Richmond. Duree's claims were > on a creek at a > location he deemed suitable for a water-driven mill. > The men stayed the > summer at Boonesborough and returned in the fall to > their home > settlements in the east. Samuel Duree's report to > the Conewago Dutch > must have satisfied them, for they prepared for a > mass migration to > Kentucky the following spring. > > In the late winter of 1780, Duree led a group of > Dutch settlers up > through the Cumberland Gap to White Oak Spring > station which was near > Boonesborough. The number of Dutch settlers was in > the order of 30 and > included Dutch families of Duree, Banta and Voris. > Meanwhile, Hendrick > Banta led a much larger group of Dutch settlers in > the winter of 1779 to > Fort Pitt (now Pittsburgh). The number of Dutch is > estimated to be at > least 75, but many were young children. In the > spring of 1780, the > group departed Fort Pitt and made their way down the > Ohio River on > flat-boats to the falls of the Ohio, now the > location of Louisville. > This was the largest group of Dutch migrants to > Kentucky although > smaller groups would follow in later years. Again, > the usual Dutch > families were prominent in this group - Van Arsdall, > Demaree, Voris and > Banta, to name a few. > > The Dutch settlers at Louisville proceeded to > build a "station" on > rented land near an existing station. "Station" was > a term of the > times, describing a group of fortified cabins, > perhaps enclosed in a > stockade. The renting of land was common and cheap > since the renter had > to clear the trees and brush, hence improving the > land for the > landlord. This land was south of the Falls on what > was then (and still > is) called Beargrass Creek. > > These Louisville settlers elected to remain > there in 1780 and raise > crops with the intention being to proceed to > Boonesborough the following > year. A few of the settlers became impatient and > left for > Boonesborough with their families. That was a > tragic error. Indian > raiding parties were in the area near the Ohio > River, particularly along > travel routes. They ambushed these families, > killing several and > capturing others. Only a few survivors made their > way back to the > station at Beargrass Creek. > > In June 1780, Ruddle's and Martin's Forts in > Kentucky were attacked > and captured by British-led Indians. In > retaliation, George Rogers > Clark led an expedition into Ohio and destroyed a > number of Indian > villages and their supplies. Several of the young > Dutchmen volunteered > to serve in this campaign as well as in the militia > defending against > Indians. A few were captured by Indians and sold to > the British. They > eventually escaped and made their way back to > Kentucky. > > In the spring of 1781 a group of Dutchmen from > the Beargrass station > traveled to White Oak Spring near Boonesborough. > This group was > primarily Bantas, Durees and Voris. They spent > several weeks building > cabins at the Samuel Duree claim, then returned to > Boonesborough. A few > returned to the cabins and were killed by Indians. > Later that year > other Dutch settlers were killed near Boonesborough > and near present day > Richmond. Discouraged, the settlers returned to the > Beargrass station > and made no further attempts to settle around > Boonesborough. > > Later that year, many (but not all) of the Dutch > families moved from > the Beargrass station to Mercer Co., KY where they > built the second Low > Dutch Station. This station was built a few miles > southeast of > Harrodsburg on land rented from James Harrod and > near his station. They > were soon joined by the remaining Dutch from the > Boonesborough area. It > was clear that establishing a colony in that area > was impossible. > However, the Dutch were not to be dissuaded from > their concept of a huge > communal common tract of land. They regarded their > sojourn in Mercer Co > as temporary and not a single Dutchman bought land > locally in those > days. As time passed and more Dutch migrants > arrived, some went to > other stations such as the McAfee station a few > miles north of Harrodsburg. > > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php

Barbara, Donna, Judy and any others interested in this topic, Below is a copy of Chapter III in the book we are preparing, "West of the Salt", about early Dutch settlers of Mercer Co., KY . It should be noted that the two groups led by Hendrick Banta and Sam Durie had no intention of settling in Mercer Co. They had planned to settle in the vicinity of Boonesborough., about 10 miles south of present-day Lexington, KY (Fayette Co.) However, they were driven to Fort Harrod (in Mercer Co.) by desperation and necessity after devastating Indian attacks. Fort Harrod was the "Gibralter" of the frontier, heavily fortified and surrounded by a number of "stations" that served as early warning systems against Indian raiding parties. Fort Harrod was never breached. For further enlightenment on these families and their ordeal we recommend Vincent Akers' study of the Low Dutch Company, published in "De Halve Maen" Vol. LV, No. 2, Summer 1980; the Banta family history, "Banta Pioneers"; and Rev. Demarest's, "History of the Low Dutch Colony of Conewago", published in local newspapers circa 1889. Barbara and Paul Terhune Chapter III Dutch Migration into Kentucky and The Low Dutch Company Settlement As the Revolutionary War progressed during the 1770s, the Dutch settlers at Conewago and Virginia began hearing stories of the Kentucky frontier. The Transylvania Co. had spread stories of the wonders of Kentucky to induce sales of land; and Harrod's Station and Boonesborough settlements started becoming well known. The Dutch were intrigued at the idea of the availability of cheap, fertile land supposedly being in Kentucky. They started to plan for a communal settlement on a huge land purchase that would accommodate their visceral need to preserve their Dutch culture and lifestyle. To that end, they decided to send an experienced Dutchman to determine the suitability of the land for settlement. In the spring of 1779, Samuel Duree left the Virginia area in the company of a party of other men, none Dutch, and traveled down the Wilderness Trail through the Cumberland Gap to Boonesborough. Despite the constant threat of Indian attack, the men traveled in the vicinity and made land claims. The claims (i.e. "improvements" in the vernacular of the day) were several miles south of Boonesborough and a few miles east of present-day Richmond. Duree's claims were on a creek at a location he deemed suitable for a water-driven mill. The men stayed the summer at Boonesborough and returned in the fall to their home settlements in the east. Samuel Duree's report to the Conewago Dutch must have satisfied them, for they prepared for a mass migration to Kentucky the following spring. In the late winter of 1780, Duree led a group of Dutch settlers up through the Cumberland Gap to White Oak Spring station which was near Boonesborough. The number of Dutch settlers was in the order of 30 and included Dutch families of Duree, Banta and Voris. Meanwhile, Hendrick Banta led a much larger group of Dutch settlers in the winter of 1779 to Fort Pitt (now Pittsburgh). The number of Dutch is estimated to be at least 75, but many were young children. In the spring of 1780, the group departed Fort Pitt and made their way down the Ohio River on flat-boats to the falls of the Ohio, now the location of Louisville. This was the largest group of Dutch migrants to Kentucky although smaller groups would follow in later years. Again, the usual Dutch families were prominent in this group - Van Arsdall, Demaree, Voris and Banta, to name a few. The Dutch settlers at Louisville proceeded to build a "station" on rented land near an existing station. "Station" was a term of the times, describing a group of fortified cabins, perhaps enclosed in a stockade. The renting of land was common and cheap since the renter had to clear the trees and brush, hence improving the land for the landlord. This land was south of the Falls on what was then (and still is) called Beargrass Creek. These Louisville settlers elected to remain there in 1780 and raise crops with the intention being to proceed to Boonesborough the following year. A few of the settlers became impatient and left for Boonesborough with their families. That was a tragic error. Indian raiding parties were in the area near the Ohio River, particularly along travel routes. They ambushed these families, killing several and capturing others. Only a few survivors made their way back to the station at Beargrass Creek. In June 1780, Ruddle's and Martin's Forts in Kentucky were attacked and captured by British-led Indians. In retaliation, George Rogers Clark led an expedition into Ohio and destroyed a number of Indian villages and their supplies. Several of the young Dutchmen volunteered to serve in this campaign as well as in the militia defending against Indians. A few were captured by Indians and sold to the British. They eventually escaped and made their way back to Kentucky. In the spring of 1781 a group of Dutchmen from the Beargrass station traveled to White Oak Spring near Boonesborough. This group was primarily Bantas, Durees and Voris. They spent several weeks building cabins at the Samuel Duree claim, then returned to Boonesborough. A few returned to the cabins and were killed by Indians. Later that year other Dutch settlers were killed near Boonesborough and near present day Richmond. Discouraged, the settlers returned to the Beargrass station and made no further attempts to settle around Boonesborough. Later that year, many (but not all) of the Dutch families moved from the Beargrass station to Mercer Co., KY where they built the second Low Dutch Station. This station was built a few miles southeast of Harrodsburg on land rented from James Harrod and near his station. They were soon joined by the remaining Dutch from the Boonesborough area. It was clear that establishing a colony in that area was impossible. However, the Dutch were not to be dissuaded from their concept of a huge communal common tract of land. They regarded their sojourn in Mercer Co as temporary and not a single Dutchman bought land locally in those days. As time passed and more Dutch migrants arrived, some went to other stations such as the McAfee station a few miles north of Harrodsburg. Squire Boone, the brother of Daniel Boone, had established a station in what is now Shelby County in 1780. By 1781 a number of Dutch families from the Beargrass station , about 30 miles away, had joined him. Boone was wounded by Indians in the spring of 1781; and continuing Indian activity led to a decision to abandon the station and return to the Beargrass station. Although escorted by a militia from Beargrass, they were attacked and several were killed. The dead included several Demarees and a Riker. This became known as the "Long Run Massacre." Settlement in the Shelby County area had also become untenable. By 1783 the Dutch around Harrodsburg were in a quandary; the lands in Shelby and around Boonesborough were too dangerous and the local land had already been claimed. There was no large tract of farmland that they could afford to buy. In desperation, they sent a letter to the Continental Congress signed by 46 Dutch heads of families in Kentucky and 105 "intended friends" who were still in Conewago or New Jersey, but intended to settle in KY later. The letter reads in part: "To the Honourable President and Delegates of the Free United States of America in Congress Assembled:... "That in the Spring of the Year 1780 they moved to Kentuckey (sic) with their families and effects with a view and expectation to procure a Tract of Land to enable them to settle together in a body... "...most of all the Tillable Land has been Located and monopolised by persons that had the advantage of ...being acquainted with the country... "Your Petitioners therefore humbly pray, (in behalf of themselves and other intended settlers of that persuasion) the Honourable Congress would indulge them with a grant of a Tract or Territory of Land in Kentuckey settlement..." The Congressional reply was that it would be improper to make any western land grants. The Dutch settlers were on their own. Some Dutch at Beargrass station continued to make forays into Shelby County near Boone station and a few claimed some land. However, they were always forced back to Beargrass by Indian attacks. In 1782, Boone obtained a Virginia warrant for 12,000 acres in Shelby and Henry Counties, part of which overlapped other claims. By 1786 the other claims had been settled and a final survey was made. The land purchased from Boone together with other purchases totaled about 8500 acres with a total price of about £1835. The Dutch selected Abraham Banta as their agent to buy the property. The deal was consummated on March 13, 1786 and the Dutch immediately met at Harrodsburg to sign what they referred to as an "Article of Agreement." This document formed what was referred to as the "Low Dutch Company." This document was very significant to the Dutch colony. While it was signed by only 36 heads of families, it was generally agreed upon by all. In addition to specifying the terms and conditions of the land purchase, it also specified the social mores of the Dutch who would occupy it. It called for the building of a church and the selection of a Dutch Reformed minister. Perhaps more significantly, it called for the teaching of the Dutch language to the children and for sharing the costs relating to said minister and in purchasing and maintaining the land. It represented the true intent of the Dutch to stand apart from the surrounding Anglo community and pursue a communal life. The Dutch immediately started to move to their new tract of land. A nearby station, Ketchoms, was employed as a base from which to operate. Work had hardly begun when severe Indian attacks started in the area. Several Dutch families were killed and the situation became hopeless. They were forced to retreat yet again to the relative safe area of Harrodsburg. A few Dutch made sporadic attempts to settle in the area over the next few years, but further killings continued. It would be ten years before the Low Dutch tract could be safely settled. One might wonder why the Dutch would have tried such a perilous venture. They were unhappy living in cramped quarters in the Mercer County stations. They had no church or minister; and no land of their own. Perhaps they did not recognize the full extent of the Indian threat or put their trust in God to protect them. In any event, they were simple farmers, not experienced Indian fighters, who sought merely to live in peace and to be left alone. By around 1796, the Dutch were finally able to move into their settlement in Shelby and Henry Counties. The land was divided into mostly 200 acre tracts per family. Obviously the acreage obtained would only accommodate about 40 families. However many Dutch bought land in the surrounding area. Their tract was located at what is now Pleasantville, KY. See Figure ____. It was originally known as "Bantatown". At last they could have their Dutch Reformed Church and they did! It was called the "6 Mile" church. In 1795 the Dutch Reformed Church of New York sent a missionary to Harrodsburg to organize a church. He was Peter Labaugh and he spent several months in this endeavor. However, Kentucky was too far to send a Dutch Reformed preacher and the settlers at "6 Mile", as well as Harrodsburg had to settle for Presbyterian preachers. The Presbyterian Church was also Calvinist and hence they shared many common beliefs. Of course, the Dutch language was not used, nor were other Dutch customs. Eventually the Dutch aligned themselves with this church and the congregation at "6 Mile" was served by the Rev. Archibald Cameron for many years. The first elders of the church were Albert Voorhees, Peter Banta and George List. Shortly after 1800, there was a great religious schism sometimes referred to as the "Great Awakening." Campground meetings of 10,000 or more people occurred. A New England sect, the Shakers, sent missionaries to Kentucky. A number of Dutch, especially Bantas were converted and gave their land to join the Shakers. Elisha Thomas gave his property to the Shakers which was the start of their colony a few miles west of Harrodsburg. To join, all property had to be converted to the church and the convert's life was totally communal. Further, there was no marriage allowed and all were celibate. Perhaps some of the Dutch were attracted to this church because of their extreme communal life. Counting children and grandchildren, 36 Bantas alone were eventually buried at Shakertown (now Pleasant Hill). The "mainstream" Dutch at 6-Mile Church were not happy with these defections from their church. The numbers of Dutch converting to Shakers was probably the beginning of the end of the Low Dutch Company. By 1817, a number of Dutch families began moving to Johnson and Switzerland Counties, Indiana. The Indian threat was now gone and the land was cheap, $1.25 per acre. This movement continued for the next twenty years. The Shelby and Henry County lands had to be converted from communal ownership to private owners. The final trustees during the land conversion were George Bergen and Tunis Van Nuys and the deeds recorded in the respective Shelby and Henry Co. courthouses. Before 1840 all the Low Dutch Company land had been sold to private owners. Sadly, Henry Banta's 1780 dream of a Dutch community in Kentucky had suffered the same fate as Conewago years earlier. ===

To Donna and All, I too would like to know about the Huguenot Society. My great grandmother was Lois Cotanch of Warren County, New Jersey. The Cotanch family( and it sure is spelled many ways-) came to America around 1735 from Coutances, France. I have found a supplemental for DAR in William Cotanch who was with Washington at Valley Forge that infamous winter. As far as the Flagon and Trencher Society, I am still waiting for a return of my request for an application package sent well over 6 weeks ago to a Mr. Raywalt in W.VA. Yesterday I got on the phone and found out that their Annual (and only 2007) Meeting will be in Williamsburg on June 23 at the Shields Tavern. If anyone wants more info on that, let me know. We have been invited. Are there any Ditmars ancestors on this mailing list? Cheers, Suzie Ditmars The last of this Ditmars line Member DAR thru Johannes Ditmars of New Jersey Friend of the Holland Society of New York Eligible Society of Daughters of Holland Dames Eligible Colonia Dames and others

Sorry, I can prove different. Francis Montfort and wife and children came with this group and he was definitely French Huguenot or descended from one). One of my Vories said his father was born in Virginia, but they were in Niew Amsterdam in the beginning. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Leonard" <buffalo234@cox.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] ReKentucky Migration > Barbara that information is pure gold melted down to its highest > valuation! > > (applause) (applause) > > wonderful! Thanks, > Hugs, > Carolyn > Remember you have a friend in Oklahoma -- endlessly sorting out dead > relatives! > Researching COZINE in Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New > Jersey, Nieuw Amsterdam (New York) and the Netherlands. > > Mark your calendars to attend the Dutch Cousins gathering in > Shelbyville, KY on September 28-30, 2007 > > > On May 14, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Barbara Whiteside wrote: > >> The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA >> near Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, >> Somerset, and Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw >> Amsterdam and now NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my >> knowledge though there were outsiders, not Dutch or French >> Huguenot, that came with them. My research shows that these >> outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved with the Low Dutch >> to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but all were >> related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA >> had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am >> doing this from memory and think that is correct on the county. >> They took the southern route down the eastern side of the >> Appalachian Mountains to the Cumberland Gap and then north to >> Mercer County, KY. The other took the river route down the Ohio >> from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled first in Jefferson >> County, KY [Louisville]. The >> plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony >> in KY but Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made >> separate plans to survive in the wilderness. They bought land in >> what is now Shelby and Henry Counties in KY, just east of >> Louisville, [Jefferson County] from Squire Boone....but their plans >> for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in KY never came into >> being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were brothers in >> law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio River >> in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister >> of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the >> same year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low >> Dutch in KY however. >> >> I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com >> Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied >> with the Bantas through marriages. >> >> If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't >> hesitate to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of >> materials and books or steer you to someone who may have answers >> for you. >> >> Barbara >> bobbeo60@yahoo.com >> >> >> pspro1123@aol.com wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky >> includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this >> area as a >> birthplace, etc ?? >> >> Paula Sprouse >> Ysselstein ancestor >> pspro1123@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** >> AOL now offers free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Barbara Whiteside >> bobbeo60@yahoo.com >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! >> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at >> Yahoo! Games. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- >> COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

HI, I think I can get you the forms for the National Huguenot, just need your address (you may have given it to me before). I was President last 2 years and know the Registrar well. He has a National Office also. Flagon and Trencher, I just need to get the address from the booklet. I also have the Montfort papers for a supplement on John Montfort and they said it was not aproved. I should have gone ahead and used Francis, but wanted to go back one more generation. They said John ws in the wrong place and the wrong time. I should go ahead and prove it, I get so mad at them some times. I have donated so many books to them and helped so many get into the DAR. I was Regent the term before this one and put many into my group. I even did the research for about 5 of them. I will do the forms as soon as I get your address. Do my papers for the Boonesborough. I am not doing well right now. I have four ruptured discs in m neck and T! has a bone spur that is indenting my spinal cord. I am going to PT but feel terrible. It hurts and I have a bad headache. Ice does help some but I have no energy. Those discs cover the whole upper half of the torso. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > True the property they purchased from Boone was in Jefferson County, I > use the current location for practical purposes in showing where the > property is now located. Shelby was formed in 1792 and Henry in 1798 and > the Low Dutch purchased the land in 1783 or early 1784. The Filson > Historical Society in Louisville, in their manuscript dept has a leather > pouch which contains the minutes of the Low Dutch Colony dating from 1794, > a treasure to see, hold and read. I haven't looked at it for some time > and believe the earliest minutes are 1794...one of these days, have to go > check on that I suppose.] Donna and I have a mutual ancestor in Francis > Montfort Sr whose signature is found several times among the minutes. > > Francis was one of the intended friends who followed his father in law, > Hendrick Banta 3rd to KY and I have narrowed it down to sometime between > May 1784 when his son Francis Jr was born [in May of that year] and Feb > 1787 when the son Jacob was born in Mercer County, KY. I think it is > likely they came in the spring of 1786 when the river was just coming off > spring flooding [if that is the route they took and no one seems to know > for sure].. It might be well to look at dates of problems with Indians at > the time they may have started out too. Those coming in 1780 had the > good fortune of coming after an especially harsh winter, which kept the > Indians close to their villages in Ohio and not yet ready to pursue the > settlers coming into Kentucky till a bit later in the spring. > > Either way they decided to make the trip to Kentucky, they had to be > either a bit crazed or so dedicated to making a Dutch haven in the > wilderness, for them to hazard Indian attacks journey to make the move. > I cannot imagine traveling under those conditions with small children. > Either way, as they say in DAR, I have a goodly heritage and I have a > great deal of admiration for their courage to move under such harsh > conditions as those times entailed. > > By the way, the lineage of Francis Montfort Sr has been proven by my > cousin, Diana Davis, and myself for membership under his name and service, > for DAR. Gladly share what I used to prove the service...it was tricky > with the Shakers coming in two generations of my line, but it was done and > am proud of it. > > As to the other Dutch colony mentioned in 1815 ish, first I had heard of > it, but will do some checking...surely Dr Thomas D. Clark had to have > mentioned them in his works on KY History somewhere. I am curious to > know a bit more about them. > > Strangely the only thing I knew about my grandmothers mothers line was > that they 1. Came to KY very early 2. The name was Montfort [and both t's > were pronounced by my grandmother ] and 3. they were French Huguenots. > > Donna, I wrote to the Huguenot Society about forms to fill out for > membership about 2 weeks ago but nothing returned in the self > addressed/stamped envelope they asked for....would be interested in a > membership application if you know how to get it. Also for Flagon and > Trencher Society. While at it, I am also going to send in my info for > Society of Boonesborough...and the Bantas were there and qualify you for > it......Hendrick 3rd spent time there as did his son, John [Shaker John] > and I descend from both. I just sent in supplemental paperwork to my DAR > registrar on Sarah Boone Wilcoxson this morning....sister of Daniel and > Squire [the circle comes full with my lineage connecting to the Low Dutch > and the man who they bought their land from...!] She was the easiest of > the three women patriots in my line to document for a supplemental..I call > them accidental patriots...they were in the wrong place at the wrong time > because their husbands decided to strike out for KY at > a not so safe time. > > Barbara > > Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> wrote: > When these people bought the land it was all in Jefferson County. We only > had three counties at that time. The Mercer, Henry and Shelby county > groups > are one and the same. Some of my ancestors married and lived in Mercer, > but > also lived in Shelby and Henry. Actually the Shelby/Henry County group > were > very close to each other, being on the county line at one point. Remember > this was a very large group of people and each had 200 acres of land. > Brothers, sisters, cousins and all lived from Mercer to Henry and Shelby. > You cannot distinguish one from the other. > > There were French Huguenots. Francis Montfort was a direct descendant of > John Montforrt, a French Huguenot. Also, somewhere I found that one of the > Vories' in my family said his father was born in Virginia, but I am sure > they moved down from Pa. or NJ. So, I hope I can find my proof of this. I > am > a member of the Nationala Huguenot Society on hte Montfort line. My mother > was a Montfort and her father constantly reminded us we were French > Huguenots. > > Donna in KY. (Near Shelby, Henry and Mercer, my mother was born in Henry > Co. > near the farm of her Vories and Montfort families.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Whiteside" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > > >> The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near >> Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and >> Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now >> NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there >> were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My >> research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and >> moved >> with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but >> all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA >> had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing >> this >> from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the >> southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the >> Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the >> river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled >> first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The >> plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY >> but >> Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to >> survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and >> Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from >> Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in >> KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were >> brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio >> River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister >> of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same >> year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY >> however. >> >> I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com >> Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with >> the Bantas through marriages. >> >> If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate >> to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and >> books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. >> >> Barbara >> bobbeo60@yahoo.com >> >> >> pspro1123@aol.com wrote: >> >> Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky >> includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area >> as >> a >> birthplace, etc ?? >> >> Paula Sprouse >> Ysselstein ancestor >> pspro1123@aol.com >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** >> AOL now offers free >> email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> Barbara Whiteside >> bobbeo60@yahoo.com >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? 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Regarding the settlers of 1780, of whom Johannes Dorland and family were among. John Dorland was among the signers of two Petitions to the Continental Congress from Inhabitants of Kentucky, the first undated, the second written May 1780, and read to Congress 23 August 1780, complaining that Virginia Land Speculators were monopolizing the land and Indians were making settlement difficult if not impossible. John d. probably in an Indian raid in the autumn of 1780, near Louisville, Jefferson Co., Ky, his wife was called a widow in 1781. At Court held 3 Dec. 1782, Catherine "Darling widow" and her eldest son Lambert Darling were entitled by an Act of Assembly passed the previous May to 400 acres of land each, in what is not Jefferson Co. Ky. In 1783, Catharine, Darling, widow and two sons Lambert and John Darling were among the Inhabitants of Kentucky to signed the Petition to the Confederation Congress, Lambert signed twice, once in Kentucky and once in Pa. So there was a great deal of Indian action in this area in the fall of 1780. Sources: Papers of the Continental Congress, National Archives and Records Admn. Washington, D.C. Index vol. 1:497: Boone, Squire, Kentucky American Citizens of to Congress, Undated 1p, M247, r62, i48, p. 245, and Kentucky, American Subjects of to Congress, May 1780, 3p, M247, r62, i 48, pg. 247 The second paper read. Neal O. Hammon, "Early Louisville and the Beargrass Station" The Filson Club Historical Quarterly, Publication of the Filson Historical Society , 52 (1978), 156-163, John not mentioned by name, however just the settlers situation. Alvin L. Prichard, : Jefferson Co. Kentucky Court Records, Minute Book A:14, March 1781-May 1781, ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In very early Virginia and Kentucky, tobacco was the money used. They bought everything, paid with tobacco. This is in a lot of deeds, lawsuits, etc. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Schopfer" <cjschopfer@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] More on early "money" > All: > > The April 2007 issue of The Numismatist magazine has an article entitled, > "Money of the Backcountry". I'm sure much of the Dutch colonial area was > "backcountry" for the purposes of this article. While the author > mentions early monetary instruments as well as direct barter, he says, > "Money in the backcountry was defined by bookkeeping entries." Merchants > traded a variety of goods and services, and the account book tracked > outstanding balances. > > The NJ Historical Society library has at least one excellent example, well > over 100 pages, with thousands of entries: > http://www.jerseyhistory.org/findingaid.php?aid=0116 > > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

When these people bought the land it was all in Jefferson County. We only had three counties at that time. The Mercer, Henry and Shelby county groups are one and the same. Some of my ancestors married and lived in Mercer, but also lived in Shelby and Henry. Actually the Shelby/Henry County group were very close to each other, being on the county line at one point. Remember this was a very large group of people and each had 200 acres of land. Brothers, sisters, cousins and all lived from Mercer to Henry and Shelby. You cannot distinguish one from the other. There were French Huguenots. Francis Montfort was a direct descendant of John Montforrt, a French Huguenot. Also, somewhere I found that one of the Vories' in my family said his father was born in Virginia, but I am sure they moved down from Pa. or NJ. So, I hope I can find my proof of this. I am a member of the Nationala Huguenot Society on hte Montfort line. My mother was a Montfort and her father constantly reminded us we were French Huguenots. Donna in KY. (Near Shelby, Henry and Mercer, my mother was born in Henry Co. near the farm of her Vories and Montfort families.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near > Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and > Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now > NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there > were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My > research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved > with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but > all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA > had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing this > from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the > southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the > Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the > river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled > first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The > plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY but > Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to > survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and > Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from > Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in > KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were > brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio > River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister > of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same > year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY > however. > > I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with > the Bantas through marriages. > > If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate > to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and > books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. > > Barbara > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > pspro1123@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky > includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area as > a > birthplace, etc ?? > > Paula Sprouse > Ysselstein ancestor > pspro1123@aol.com > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I don't have the information right at hand, but I remember researching another group of Dutch in Kentucky. Those were people who came directly from the Netherlands following the establishment of a king, William I, in 1815. Apparently they had something against kings, or least against that one. I mention this only because I expect it would be easy enough to confuse old Dutch families and "new" ones in Kentucky research. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near > Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and > Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now > NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there > were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My > research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved > with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but > all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA > had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing this > from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the > southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the > Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the > river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled > first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The > plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY but > Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to > survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and > Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from > Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in > KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were > brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio > River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister > of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same > year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY > however. > > I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with > the Bantas through marriages. > > If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate > to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and > books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. > > Barbara > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > pspro1123@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky > includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area as > a > birthplace, etc ?? > > Paula Sprouse > Ysselstein ancestor > pspro1123@aol.com > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You menion your interest in Vorhis and just in case you don't realize it, the name abounds but in many different forms. Voorhees Vorhees, Van Vorhies, etc. If you are still researching them that just might help. We Van Pelts do connect with a Van Voorhees in the 1600s. Good hunting. Lou Van Pelt in Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Stark<mailto:donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration When these people bought the land it was all in Jefferson County. We only had three counties at that time. The Mercer, Henry and Shelby county groups are one and the same. Some of my ancestors married and lived in Mercer, but also lived in Shelby and Henry. Actually the Shelby/Henry County group were very close to each other, being on the county line at one point. Remember this was a very large group of people and each had 200 acres of land. Brothers, sisters, cousins and all lived from Mercer to Henry and Shelby. You cannot distinguish one from the other. There were French Huguenots. Francis Montfort was a direct descendant of John Montforrt, a French Huguenot. Also, somewhere I found that one of the Vories' in my family said his father was born in Virginia, but I am sure they moved down from Pa. or NJ. So, I hope I can find my proof of this. I am a member of the Nationala Huguenot Society on hte Montfort line. My mother was a Montfort and her father constantly reminded us we were French Huguenots. Donna in KY. (Near Shelby, Henry and Mercer, my mother was born in Henry Co. near the farm of her Vories and Montfort families.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" <bobbeo60@yahoo.com<mailto:bobbeo60@yahoo.com>> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com<mailto:dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near > Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and > Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now > NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there > were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My > research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved > with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but > all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA > had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing this > from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the > southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the > Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the > river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled > first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The > plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY but > Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to > survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and > Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from > Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in > KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were > brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio > River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister > of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same > year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY > however. > > I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com<http://bar-b-k.tripod.com/> > Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with > the Bantas through marriages. > > If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate > to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and > books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. > > Barbara > bobbeo60@yahoo.com<mailto:bobbeo60@yahoo.com> > > > pspro1123@aol.com<mailto:pspro1123@aol.com> wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky > includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area as > a > birthplace, etc ?? > > Paula Sprouse > Ysselstein ancestor > pspro1123@aol.com<mailto:pspro1123@aol.com> > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com<mailto:bobbeo60@yahoo.com> > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? 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True the property they purchased from Boone was in Jefferson County, I use the current location for practical purposes in showing where the property is now located. Shelby was formed in 1792 and Henry in 1798 and the Low Dutch purchased the land in 1783 or early 1784. The Filson Historical Society in Louisville, in their manuscript dept has a leather pouch which contains the minutes of the Low Dutch Colony dating from 1794, a treasure to see, hold and read. I haven't looked at it for some time and believe the earliest minutes are 1794...one of these days, have to go check on that I suppose.] Donna and I have a mutual ancestor in Francis Montfort Sr whose signature is found several times among the minutes. Francis was one of the intended friends who followed his father in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd to KY and I have narrowed it down to sometime between May 1784 when his son Francis Jr was born [in May of that year] and Feb 1787 when the son Jacob was born in Mercer County, KY. I think it is likely they came in the spring of 1786 when the river was just coming off spring flooding [if that is the route they took and no one seems to know for sure].. It might be well to look at dates of problems with Indians at the time they may have started out too. Those coming in 1780 had the good fortune of coming after an especially harsh winter, which kept the Indians close to their villages in Ohio and not yet ready to pursue the settlers coming into Kentucky till a bit later in the spring. Either way they decided to make the trip to Kentucky, they had to be either a bit crazed or so dedicated to making a Dutch haven in the wilderness, for them to hazard Indian attacks journey to make the move. I cannot imagine traveling under those conditions with small children. Either way, as they say in DAR, I have a goodly heritage and I have a great deal of admiration for their courage to move under such harsh conditions as those times entailed. By the way, the lineage of Francis Montfort Sr has been proven by my cousin, Diana Davis, and myself for membership under his name and service, for DAR. Gladly share what I used to prove the service...it was tricky with the Shakers coming in two generations of my line, but it was done and am proud of it. As to the other Dutch colony mentioned in 1815 ish, first I had heard of it, but will do some checking...surely Dr Thomas D. Clark had to have mentioned them in his works on KY History somewhere. I am curious to know a bit more about them. Strangely the only thing I knew about my grandmothers mothers line was that they 1. Came to KY very early 2. The name was Montfort [and both t's were pronounced by my grandmother ] and 3. they were French Huguenots. Donna, I wrote to the Huguenot Society about forms to fill out for membership about 2 weeks ago but nothing returned in the self addressed/stamped envelope they asked for....would be interested in a membership application if you know how to get it. Also for Flagon and Trencher Society. While at it, I am also going to send in my info for Society of Boonesborough...and the Bantas were there and qualify you for it......Hendrick 3rd spent time there as did his son, John [Shaker John] and I descend from both. I just sent in supplemental paperwork to my DAR registrar on Sarah Boone Wilcoxson this morning....sister of Daniel and Squire [the circle comes full with my lineage connecting to the Low Dutch and the man who they bought their land from...!] She was the easiest of the three women patriots in my line to document for a supplemental..I call them accidental patriots...they were in the wrong place at the wrong time because their husbands decided to strike out for KY at a not so safe time. Barbara Donna Stark <donnaStarkKy@fewpb.net> wrote: When these people bought the land it was all in Jefferson County. We only had three counties at that time. The Mercer, Henry and Shelby county groups are one and the same. Some of my ancestors married and lived in Mercer, but also lived in Shelby and Henry. Actually the Shelby/Henry County group were very close to each other, being on the county line at one point. Remember this was a very large group of people and each had 200 acres of land. Brothers, sisters, cousins and all lived from Mercer to Henry and Shelby. You cannot distinguish one from the other. There were French Huguenots. Francis Montfort was a direct descendant of John Montforrt, a French Huguenot. Also, somewhere I found that one of the Vories' in my family said his father was born in Virginia, but I am sure they moved down from Pa. or NJ. So, I hope I can find my proof of this. I am a member of the Nationala Huguenot Society on hte Montfort line. My mother was a Montfort and her father constantly reminded us we were French Huguenots. Donna in KY. (Near Shelby, Henry and Mercer, my mother was born in Henry Co. near the farm of her Vories and Montfort families.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Whiteside" To: Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kentucky Migration > The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near > Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and > Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now > NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there > were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My > research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved > with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but > all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA > had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing this > from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the > southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the > Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the > river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled > first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The > plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY but > Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to > survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and > Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from > Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in > KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were > brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio > River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister > of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same > year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY > however. > > I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with > the Bantas through marriages. > > If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate > to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and > books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. > > Barbara > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > pspro1123@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky > includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area as > a > birthplace, etc ?? > > Paula Sprouse > Ysselstein ancestor > pspro1123@aol.com > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Barbara that information is pure gold melted down to its highest valuation! (applause) (applause) wonderful! Thanks, Hugs, Carolyn Remember you have a friend in Oklahoma -- endlessly sorting out dead relatives! Researching COZINE in Kentucky, Kansas, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Nieuw Amsterdam (New York) and the Netherlands. Mark your calendars to attend the Dutch Cousins gathering in Shelbyville, KY on September 28-30, 2007 On May 14, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Barbara Whiteside wrote: > The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA > near Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, > Somerset, and Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw > Amsterdam and now NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my > knowledge though there were outsiders, not Dutch or French > Huguenot, that came with them. My research shows that these > outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved with the Low Dutch > to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but all were > related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA > had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am > doing this from memory and think that is correct on the county. > They took the southern route down the eastern side of the > Appalachian Mountains to the Cumberland Gap and then north to > Mercer County, KY. The other took the river route down the Ohio > from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled first in Jefferson > County, KY [Louisville]. The > plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony > in KY but Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made > separate plans to survive in the wilderness. They bought land in > what is now Shelby and Henry Counties in KY, just east of > Louisville, [Jefferson County] from Squire Boone....but their plans > for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in KY never came into > being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were brothers in > law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio River > in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister > of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the > same year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low > Dutch in KY however. > > I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied > with the Bantas through marriages. > > If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't > hesitate to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of > materials and books or steer you to someone who may have answers > for you. > > Barbara > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > pspro1123@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky > includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this > area as a > birthplace, etc ?? > > Paula Sprouse > Ysselstein ancestor > pspro1123@aol.com > > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at > Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All: The April 2007 issue of The Numismatist magazine has an article entitled, "Money of the Backcountry". I'm sure much of the Dutch colonial area was "backcountry" for the purposes of this article. While the author mentions early monetary instruments as well as direct barter, he says, "Money in the backcountry was defined by bookkeeping entries." Merchants traded a variety of goods and services, and the account book tracked outstanding balances. The NJ Historical Society library has at least one excellent example, well over 100 pages, with thousands of entries: http://www.jerseyhistory.org/findingaid.php?aid=0116 Chris

The Low Dutch who came to KY in 1780-1784 were from York County, PA near Gettysburg band prior to that can be found in Bergen, Somerset, and Hunterdon Counties in NJ and back into what was Nieuw Amsterdam and now NYC. None have been found to come from VA to my knowledge though there were outsiders, not Dutch or French Huguenot, that came with them. My research shows that these outsiders were also in York County, PA and moved with the Low Dutch to KY. There were two Low Dutch settlements in KY but all were related and all connected to York County, PA. One group from PA had moved to what is now West VIrginia, at Berkeley County...am doing this from memory and think that is correct on the county. They took the southern route down the eastern side of the Appalachian Mountains to the Cumberland Gap and then north to Mercer County, KY. The other took the river route down the Ohio from what is now Pittsburgh, PA and settled first in Jefferson County, KY [Louisville]. The plan was to join in Mercer County to form their Low Dutch Colony in KY but Indian raids eventually wore them down and they made separate plans to survive in the wilderness. They bought land in what is now Shelby and Henry Counties in KY, just east of Louisville, [Jefferson County] from Squire Boone....but their plans for a self contained Low Dutch Colony in KY never came into being. The two leaders of the groups into KY were brothers in law, Hendrick Banta 3rd who brought his group down the Ohio River in 1780 and the other was Sam Durie married to Wyntie Banta, sister of Hendrick who brought his group through the Cumberland Gap in the same year. Hendrick is the acknowledged leader of all of the Low Dutch in KY however. I have some info on my website at http://bar-b-k.tripod.com Called THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE...a family closely allied with the Bantas through marriages. If I can help or if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to write, will see what I can find in my own collection of materials and books or steer you to someone who may have answers for you. Barbara bobbeo60@yahoo.com pspro1123@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know if the Dutch migration to the low country of Kentucky includes Hampshire Co, VA ?? Does any Dutch ancestors include this area as a birthplace, etc ?? Paula Sprouse Ysselstein ancestor pspro1123@aol.com ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.

Steve, You are welcome. However, to be perfectly honest, your question just motivated me to start the research into Roman-Dutch law that I should have begun years ago. So thank you for prompting me to get started. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Brewer" <slbrewer@fuse.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Purchase vs Patent grant > > > Leslie, > > Thanks for all your work to answer my question. You've done way > more than I would ever have asked. I've learned so much from what > you've found. > > Thanks, > Steve > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie, Thanks for all your work to answer my question. You've done way more than I would ever have asked. I've learned so much from what you've found. Thanks, Steve

The colony of New Netherland was overseen by the Amsterdam Chamber of the West India Company, and operations here had to be consistent with the laws and customs of the city of Amsterdam. People who were dissatisfied with the enforcement of a regulation could protest up the chain from town government, the director of the colony, the West India Company, and ultimately the States General of the Netherlands. This was not ad hoc government. The English for decades were the ones to have an ad hoc government, with Dutch laws in this town, English laws in that one, each town with its own established church, and the whole operation dependent upon the whims of the Duke of York and the King of England. Your analogy of a company town has some merit. The person in charge of the colony was never called governor, but rather director, which is a business title. Because Stuyvesant oversaw the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao) as well as New Netherland, his title was director-general, and while he eventually put up with an elected council to advise him, he could act opposite to their advice if he thought it in the best interests of the WIC. His taking on the council was rather like a CEO putting up with a committee from the company labor unions. When Stuyvesant went too far, there was always recourse to his higher-ups. He tended to be a strict constructionist, adhering to the company's charter to the letter, and sometimes the Amsterdam Chamber had to write and tell him to relax a little, especially if it was bad politics and likely to rile the company's stockholders. Although theoretically the States General could abolish the company for not adhering to its charter, the last thing the Netherlands wanted was to have to assume responsibility for such a money-draining operation. In short, there were well established rules that the colony was supposed to operate under, but as with political bodies everywhere, practical decisions were often made at the expense of dreamy ideals. That is not an ad hoc government, it is a politically sensitive one. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "j. gonigam" <gonigam@gmail.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Purchase vs Patent grant > Dear Leslie-- > > Fascinating stuff and I really mean that. The "drop rights", for > instance; > I've never really considered the kinds of neighbor-versus-neighbor > conflicts > that must inevitably have occurred in early European cities giving rise to > common law solutions. > > I'm particularly interested in your comments on patents and deeds here, > especially > the part about assuming that "the Dutch West India Company had the legal > status of > 'over lord' to all patent holders in the colony, who were mere vassals". > For some reason I'm kind of curious about what I suspect was the evolution > of the DWIC. My understanding is that it was initially granted the right > to > trade from and with the new world. It would appear that the practical > realities of that right eventually required WIC to get into the > "government > business". (I've almost always thought of New Netherlands as a sort of > overgrown "company town" like Homestead, PA.) I have the idea that none > of > the early government was never actually intended and that the men on both > sides of the Ocean sort of made it up as they went along over the space of > several decades. It seems to me the evolving ad-hoc nature of New > Amsterdam > government until New York became a real colony under the British helps > explain a loose and off-the-cuff flavor under the Dutch. > > Or am I talking through my hat here? > > --pete > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Purchase vs Patent grant > > >> Dear Steve, Howard, Pete, and List, >> >> I apologize for taking so long. However, I was finally able to access a >> copy of "Commentaries on the Roman-Dutch Law" by Simon Van Leeuwen, LL.D. > by >> going to the library of The Pennsylvania State University. Simon van >> Leeuwen published "Commentaries on the Roman-Dutch Law" in 1744. It was >> translated into English in 1820. I found Van Leeuwen's book to be much > more >> succinct and instructive than either R. W. Lee's "An Introduction to >> Roman-Dutch Law" or Van Der Linden's "Institutes of the Laws of Holland". >> >> Steve raised the question of why did Adam Brouwer have both a deed (dated >> 1645) and a patent (dated 1647) for that portion of the subdivision of >> Hendrick Jansz's land, which he had purchased from Jansz. >> >> On the subject of alienation or transfer of property, Van Leeuwen states: >> >> "Feudal property is not divisible and ought only to be inherited by and >> to >> remain in one person; unless it be allowed and permitted by grand and >> consent from the lord, upon the application of the vassal." (See , in >> section 6 of Chapter 14 - entitled, 'Of Feudal Tenure' at page 167) >> >> Also in Chapter 15 - entitled, 'In what Manner Feudal Tenure is >> acquired', >> Van Leeuwen writes in sec. 2 (1) >> >> "[t]he fee is not divisible, (unless by consent, as we have already > shewn), >> but devolves only upon one person to the exclusion of all others." (See > page >> 172) >> >> Simple translation - Jansz had no right to subdivide his property and >> sell > a >> portion thereof to Brouwer without getting authorization for the > subdivision >> from his over lord. So without the patent, Brouwer's deed would not have >> been worth the paper upon which it was written. Although, I assume that >> Brouwer could have sued to get his money back under the Roman-Dutch > version >> of the theory that says 'impossibility' makes the contract null and >> void. >> >> Van Leeuwen goes into much greater detail about Servitudes than either >> Lee >> or Van Der Linden. On the subject of "Drop-right" Van Leeuwen writes at > page >> 196, >> >> "Sec. 8 Drop-right is the right of making the rain-water of my roof fall >> upon another's ground, which otherwise no person need suffer, as every >> one >> is bound to carry away or conduct the water of his own house upon or > though >> his house. Whoever is obligated to receive upon his ground the water of >> another, is bound to leave for that purpose a certain vacant place not > built >> upon, of the breath of about half a foot; but in some cities there are >> statutes which enact that every person, for his own convenience, and > between >> houses and ground receiving water, may build and inclose it; provided he >> received the said water with a leaden gutter under the roof, and by that >> means carries off the water, and likewise all open watercourses may > commonly >> be lead away under the earth. >> >> Sec. 9 The receiving of drops is the right of catching the rainwater > running >> from another's roof or premises, for one's own benefit; for other wise, > the >> water falling upon my roof or premises belongs to me." >> >> I have also been reading "History of the Roman-Dutch Law" by Johannes >> Willelmus Wessels, on-line. Like the other three authors, Wessels >> comments >> on law in the Netherlands and South Africa. Colonial New Amsterdam does > not >> seem to have made an impression on Roman-Dutch legal scholars or had any >> effect on Roman-Dutch legal conventions. Therefore it is not mentioned. >> Yesterday, I started out to read the documents pertaining to the Dutch > West >> India Company in "Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New York" > by >> Callahan. Unfortunately, my asthma triggered and that finished me for the >> day. I assume that the Dutch West India Company had the legal status of >> "over lord" to all patent holders in the colony, who were mere vassals, > but >> I just wanted to make sure. >> >> I have been reading Gerard on "New York Real Property" and the "Laws of > the >> Duke of York", in order to better understand what effect the English take >> over had on the Roman-Dutch legal conventions as practiced by the ethnic >> Dutch. Although I know that the English confirmed the Dutch patents, I > still >> have no feel for how the transition from Roman-Dutch law to English law > was >> accomplished. I assume that the residents of the colony would have been > able >> to subdivide their property under English law, but I have not yet found > any >> specific evidence to support that assumption. I shall will report back > when >> I have that area of the law sorted out. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Leslie >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If memory serves me correctly paper currency was in use in China in the mid-900's. Again, if memory serves me correctly, the French were the first to use paper currency in North America. A delayed military payroll shipment was the problem. To solve it a French officer cut up playing cards in quarters and marked them up as a goverment IOUs. The quartered cards were accepted in payment as it was believed they would be redeemed in a short while for coin. Jim -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jacassidy22@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 5:51 PM To: Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Colonial Currency Article in Early American LifeMagazine June 2007 A great article on Colonial Currency appears in the June 2007 issue of Early American Life Magazine. Often when looking a deeds, wills or other early documents the currency used is always of interest. American apparently invented paper money, and in this particular article, there is a great history, as well as photo's of paper money used prior to 1800. Judy Cassidy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Here is a web site that has much information on Colonial Currency: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCurrency/ First printed currency in America and the French playing cards Jim mentioned: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCurrency/CurrencyIntros/IntroEarliest.html Wampum: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Wampum.intro.html Regards, Howard hswain@ix.netcom.com

Dear Leslie-- Fascinating stuff and I really mean that. The "drop rights", for instance; I've never really considered the kinds of neighbor-versus-neighbor conflicts that must inevitably have occurred in early European cities giving rise to common law solutions. I'm particularly interested in your comments on patents and deeds here, especially the part about assuming that "the Dutch West India Company had the legal status of 'over lord' to all patent holders in the colony, who were mere vassals". For some reason I'm kind of curious about what I suspect was the evolution of the DWIC. My understanding is that it was initially granted the right to trade from and with the new world. It would appear that the practical realities of that right eventually required WIC to get into the "government business". (I've almost always thought of New Netherlands as a sort of overgrown "company town" like Homestead, PA.) I have the idea that none of the early government was never actually intended and that the men on both sides of the Ocean sort of made it up as they went along over the space of several decades. It seems to me the evolving ad-hoc nature of New Amsterdam government until New York became a real colony under the British helps explain a loose and off-the-cuff flavor under the Dutch. Or am I talking through my hat here? --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie B. Potter" <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Purchase vs Patent grant > Dear Steve, Howard, Pete, and List, > > I apologize for taking so long. However, I was finally able to access a > copy of "Commentaries on the Roman-Dutch Law" by Simon Van Leeuwen, LL.D. by > going to the library of The Pennsylvania State University. Simon van > Leeuwen published "Commentaries on the Roman-Dutch Law" in 1744. It was > translated into English in 1820. I found Van Leeuwen's book to be much more > succinct and instructive than either R. W. Lee's "An Introduction to > Roman-Dutch Law" or Van Der Linden's "Institutes of the Laws of Holland". > > Steve raised the question of why did Adam Brouwer have both a deed (dated > 1645) and a patent (dated 1647) for that portion of the subdivision of > Hendrick Jansz's land, which he had purchased from Jansz. > > On the subject of alienation or transfer of property, Van Leeuwen states: > > "Feudal property is not divisible and ought only to be inherited by and to > remain in one person; unless it be allowed and permitted by grand and > consent from the lord, upon the application of the vassal." (See , in > section 6 of Chapter 14 - entitled, 'Of Feudal Tenure' at page 167) > > Also in Chapter 15 - entitled, 'In what Manner Feudal Tenure is acquired', > Van Leeuwen writes in sec. 2 (1) > > "[t]he fee is not divisible, (unless by consent, as we have already shewn), > but devolves only upon one person to the exclusion of all others." (See page > 172) > > Simple translation - Jansz had no right to subdivide his property and sell a > portion thereof to Brouwer without getting authorization for the subdivision > from his over lord. So without the patent, Brouwer's deed would not have > been worth the paper upon which it was written. Although, I assume that > Brouwer could have sued to get his money back under the Roman-Dutch version > of the theory that says 'impossibility' makes the contract null and void. > > Van Leeuwen goes into much greater detail about Servitudes than either Lee > or Van Der Linden. On the subject of "Drop-right" Van Leeuwen writes at page > 196, > > "Sec. 8 Drop-right is the right of making the rain-water of my roof fall > upon another's ground, which otherwise no person need suffer, as every one > is bound to carry away or conduct the water of his own house upon or though > his house. Whoever is obligated to receive upon his ground the water of > another, is bound to leave for that purpose a certain vacant place not built > upon, of the breath of about half a foot; but in some cities there are > statutes which enact that every person, for his own convenience, and between > houses and ground receiving water, may build and inclose it; provided he > received the said water with a leaden gutter under the roof, and by that > means carries off the water, and likewise all open watercourses may commonly > be lead away under the earth. > > Sec. 9 The receiving of drops is the right of catching the rainwater running > from another's roof or premises, for one's own benefit; for other wise, the > water falling upon my roof or premises belongs to me." > > I have also been reading "History of the Roman-Dutch Law" by Johannes > Willelmus Wessels, on-line. Like the other three authors, Wessels comments > on law in the Netherlands and South Africa. Colonial New Amsterdam does not > seem to have made an impression on Roman-Dutch legal scholars or had any > effect on Roman-Dutch legal conventions. Therefore it is not mentioned. > Yesterday, I started out to read the documents pertaining to the Dutch West > India Company in "Documents Relating to the Colonial History of New York" by > Callahan. Unfortunately, my asthma triggered and that finished me for the > day. I assume that the Dutch West India Company had the legal status of > "over lord" to all patent holders in the colony, who were mere vassals, but > I just wanted to make sure. > > I have been reading Gerard on "New York Real Property" and the "Laws of the > Duke of York", in order to better understand what effect the English take > over had on the Roman-Dutch legal conventions as practiced by the ethnic > Dutch. Although I know that the English confirmed the Dutch patents, I still > have no feel for how the transition from Roman-Dutch law to English law was > accomplished. I assume that the residents of the colony would have been able > to subdivide their property under English law, but I have not yet found any > specific evidence to support that assumption. I shall will report back when > I have that area of the law sorted out. > > Sincerely, > > Leslie > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message