Quotes from your books of facts gotten from someone else's records/notes is not Larceny so stop the fake scare tactics ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Christoph" <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Sure you can do that Edie. If it doesn't trouble your sense of morals or ethics to steal someone elses property, hey, go for it. Being a published writer who is not amused by this kind of larceny, I go after people who steal my stuff. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@suscom-maine.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy >I can go to the State Library in Augusta and photocopy just about anything >I > want without paying any fees to anybody. I don't see how getting a copy of > this article through the Internet is any different, except that I can > thereby save myself a lot of money on gas, which I would really > appreciate. > > I would like a copy of this article to further my own research. That's > what > these articles are for, and allowances are made for this. > > If anybody chooses to send me a copy via e-mail, I promise I won't tell, > and > I'll b emost appreciative and will reciprocate when and if I can. > > Edie in Maine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ditto---but I will tell if tortured just a little bit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith Bailes" <edieb@suscom-maine.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy I can go to the State Library in Augusta and photocopy just about anything I want without paying any fees to anybody. I don't see how getting a copy of this article through the Internet is any different, except that I can thereby save myself a lot of money on gas, which I would really appreciate. I would like a copy of this article to further my own research. That's what these articles are for, and allowances are made for this. If anybody chooses to send me a copy via e-mail, I promise I won't tell, and I'll b emost appreciative and will reciprocate when and if I can. Edie in Maine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By the way my wife comes from Sloat and Deffenbaugh and was born in Frisco ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Sloat" <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:12 PM Subject: [SPAM] Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fw: Article by Harry Macy Folks - all is not as dark as has been presented. 2 items - quoted from the NYGBS web site. "The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society offers a Copying Service by mail. If you are requesting copies and (1) you know the title of the book, periodical, or other item and (2) you know the page numbers that you want (or if the book is arranged alphabetically, chronologically, or has an index) we can make the copies for you. Cost - The service fee is $5.00 plus 35¢ per copy plus the cost of postage. After we receive your request for copies, we will notify you of the total cost. Please mail your request to: The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society Library 122 East 58th Street, New York, NY 10022-1939 USA When we receive your payment, we will make the copies and mail them to you. Payment by check or money order should be made payable to The NYG&B Society. If paying by credit card, please provide your name as it appears on the card, the issuer of the card, the card number, and the expiration date. We accept Visa and MasterCard. Item 2 - quoted from the NYGBS website "Copyright Restrictions - Copyright law (Title 17, U.S. Code) governs the making of copies and other reproductions of copyrighted material. Under conditions specified in the law, libraries and archives may provide a copy. One of these conditions is that the copy is not to be "used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research." If a user requests or later uses a copy for a purpose in excess of "fair use," the user may be liable for copyright infringement. Libraries reserve the right to refuse a request for copies if, in their judgment, it may involve violation of copyright law." As I read this - anyone can make a copy so long as it is for personal research - and will not be used for financial gain. If that still leaves one queasy - buy the copy from NYGBS who is the copyright holder. Frank Sloat = = = = = = = = = = = = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Christoph" <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy > > > >I remind one and all that the Harry Macy article is covered by > copyright > >and > > copying the complete article without compensating the copyright > holder is > > illegal. Not to mention unethical. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> > > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy > > > > > >> > >> I have the article "Sara (De Planck) Monfort by Harry Macy, Jr. > >> NYGB Record July 1991 pp.143-149. > >> > >> I will send copies to anyone who contacts me OFF LINE. I will > not > >> respond > >> to requests on line. Lets keep this line open for genealogy > only. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Ethel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You just answer the inquiry that is not writing a article or plagiarizing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ady" <asbalch@hal-pc.org> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy If it is illegal to copy an article without compensating the copyright holder, then many libraries, schools, etc., are in violation of the law. Ady ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Folks - all is not as dark as has been presented. 2 items - quoted from the NYGBS web site. "The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society offers a Copying Service by mail. If you are requesting copies and (1) you know the title of the book, periodical, or other item and (2) you know the page numbers that you want (or if the book is arranged alphabetically, chronologically, or has an index) we can make the copies for you. Cost - The service fee is $5.00 plus 35¢ per copy plus the cost of postage. After we receive your request for copies, we will notify you of the total cost. Please mail your request to: The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society Library 122 East 58th Street, New York, NY 10022-1939 USA When we receive your payment, we will make the copies and mail them to you. Payment by check or money order should be made payable to The NYG&B Society. If paying by credit card, please provide your name as it appears on the card, the issuer of the card, the card number, and the expiration date. We accept Visa and MasterCard. Item 2 - quoted from the NYGBS website "Copyright Restrictions - Copyright law (Title 17, U.S. Code) governs the making of copies and other reproductions of copyrighted material. Under conditions specified in the law, libraries and archives may provide a copy. One of these conditions is that the copy is not to be "used for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research." If a user requests or later uses a copy for a purpose in excess of "fair use," the user may be liable for copyright infringement. Libraries reserve the right to refuse a request for copies if, in their judgment, it may involve violation of copyright law." As I read this - anyone can make a copy so long as it is for personal research - and will not be used for financial gain. If that still leaves one queasy - buy the copy from NYGBS who is the copyright holder. Frank Sloat = = = = = = = = = = = = > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Christoph" <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:21 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy > > > >I remind one and all that the Harry Macy article is covered by > copyright > >and > > copying the complete article without compensating the copyright > holder is > > illegal. Not to mention unethical. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> > > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:36 AM > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy > > > > > >> > >> I have the article "Sara (De Planck) Monfort by Harry Macy, Jr. > >> NYGB Record July 1991 pp.143-149. > >> > >> I will send copies to anyone who contacts me OFF LINE. I will > not > >> respond > >> to requests on line. Lets keep this line open for genealogy > only. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Ethel > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ************************************** See what's free at > >> http://www.aol.com. > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC

You do what the rest of us do ,do not cite the source openly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E Hopper" <behopper@rogers.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: [SPAM] [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fw: Article by Harry Macy Sorry folks, I, too, was unaware that the article was copyrighted. Can't respond to anyone's request! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Christoph" <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy >I remind one and all that the Harry Macy article is covered by copyright >and > copying the complete article without compensating the copyright holder is > illegal. Not to mention unethical. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ETHELKK@aol.com> > To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy > > >> >> I have the article "Sara (De Planck) Monfort by Harry Macy, Jr. >> NYGB Record July 1991 pp.143-149. >> >> I will send copies to anyone who contacts me OFF LINE. I will not >> respond >> to requests on line. Lets keep this line open for genealogy only. >> >> Regards, >> Ethel >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would love to have a copy. My e-mail is DonnaStarkKY@fewpb.net. I usually scan a messagellike this to myself then I can forward it much easier. Try it. I sent so many that I found in my books on the Dutch families. Donna in Ky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce E Hopper" <behopper@rogers.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] [Bulk] Re: Article by Harry Macy Hi, I have a copy of this particular issue and would be pleased to make the article in question available to all who may be interested in it. I do not know if scanned documents can be attached to this site. Maybe someone can advise on this point. But what I can do is scan the 7 pages and send them as attachments to messages sent to individual e-mail addresses. I will scan the article later on today and start off by sending it to Barbara Whiteside. Anyone else who wishes a copy either send me a message directly or place a message on this site. Bruce Hopper, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara, I should have rread the rest of my e-mail before responding. Sorry. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Sloat <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Frank Sloat <Fwsloat@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 7:27:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have a copy of this particular issue and would be pleased to make the article in question available to all who may be interested in it. I do not know if scanned documents can be attached to this site. Maybe someone can advise on this point. But what I can do is scan the 7 pages and send them as attachments to messages sent to individual e-mail addresses. I will scan the article later on today and start off by sending it to Barbara Whiteside. Anyone else who wishes a copy either send me a message directly or place a message on this site. Bruce Hopper, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara de Mare" <barbarademare@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara, I should have rread the rest of my e-mail before responding. Sorry. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Sloat <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Frank Sloat <Fwsloat@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 7:27:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have the article "Sara (De Planck) Monfort by Harry Macy, Jr. NYGB Record July 1991 pp.143-149. I will send copies to anyone who contacts me OFF LINE. I will not respond to requests on line. Lets keep this line open for genealogy only. Regards, Ethel ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Barbara I have all the hard copies of the Record back to 1973, including the 1991 issue with Harry's article. It shows Sara DePlanck Montforts parents wereh Jacques Deplancque and Sara Fauconnier. The article is about 8 pages. I can't send you the article right now as my scanner isn't working properly and I leave tomorrow for a month in London on business. If you don't have the article by the time I return July 5 I can send it to you Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: Dutch - Colonies <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 5:53 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written for the YG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen reference to it in everal genealogies and would like to read the full article if possible. Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C 126:245 Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical Biographical Record. ol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com Researching the Monfort family since 1962 Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com -------------------------------- ahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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I'll see if the local library has the volume and will let you know. Ady ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Sloat" <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Frank Sloat" <Fwsloat@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., "Sarah (De Planck) Monfort" 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 > > If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > > Researching the Monfort family since 1962 > Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. > 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am also descended from Sara De Planck Montfort and would love to have a copy of that article. I would love to prove her parents were both born in France and her grandparents also. I tried to have a supplement on the mother of Sara and the Huguenot Society would not accept that she was born in France. It would be great if I could prove that. Donna Stark in Ky. (P.S.) My mother was a Montfort. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Sloat" <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Frank Sloat" <Fwsloat@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., "Sarah (De Planck) Monfort" 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 > > If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > > Researching the Monfort family since 1962 > Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. > 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara, I should have rread the rest of my e-mail before responding. Sorry. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Frank Sloat <fwsloat@yahoo.com> To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Frank Sloat <Fwsloat@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 7:27:46 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 >

You can get it from the society New York Genealogical and Biographical Society. Check their website. If I recall correctly it is New york family.org, but I could be off a little. You can Google the Society to find it, which is what I generally do. Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Historian, genealogist and attorney 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office BarbaradeMare@yahoo.com (home) http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> To: Dutch - Colonies <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 3, 2007 6:53:07 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Article by Harry Macy I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the full article if possible. Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C 126:245 "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical & Biographical Record. Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com Researching the Monfort family since 1962 Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Pam, This is certainly puzzling. One would certainly think that Theodore M. BANTA would list his step-mother (Mary Ann) in his SAYRE Genealogy. Could George Olin Zabriskie have gotten it wrong? It is certainly true that Mary Ann (Price) (Hoppe?) married a BANTA. Was it Theodore's father, Albert Z. BANTA? Or perhaps another BANTA? The 1850 census from NYC shows: 1850 – New York, NY – 9-WD, ED-1 – 424 – 840 – pg. Line 18 – 2 family house - Albert C. [sic] Banta, head, age 52, M, Feed Store, b. NJ; Mary Ann Banta, [m. 1842], age 49, F, b. NY; Emily M. Banta, age 30, F, b. NY; Sarah Banta, age 26, F, b. NY; William Banta, age 21, M, Clerk, b. NY; Pucah [=Jacob] Banta, age 19, M, Clerk, b. NY; Lavina Banta, age 25, F, b. NY; Theodore Banta, age 16, b. NY; Mary Banta, age 14, b. NY; Thomas C. Banta, age 25, M, Clerk, b. NY, Aug 6, 1850. These are the children listed for Albert Z. BANTA (from his first wife, Sarah Ann Sayre), by Zabriskie. I assume that the middle initial "C." was a mis-hearing for "Z.", by the Census taker, as the children fit those given by Zabriskie. And here is his (second) wife, Mary Ann. Albert died 4 years later: Obit - NYTimes - Sep 1, 1854 - “In this city, on Thursday morning, Aug 31, of consumption, Albert Z. BANTA, in the 56th year of his age. His friends, and those of his family, are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from his late residence, No. 34 Troy st., on Saturday morning Sept. 2, at 8 o’clock. His remains will be taken to Hackensack, N. J. for interment.” The widow BANTA shows up in the 1860 census, living in the same house as her daughter (Deborah (Rivers Skaats GESLAIN) and son-in-law (Charles T. GESLAIN)'s family; with Sarah Gilbert who was her widowed dau from her earlier marriage: 1860 – 1st Div, WD-7, Brooklyn, NY, ED-1 -2 – 3 – 2 family house - Charles T. Geislin/Geeslin, age 39, M, Conductor, $500, b. NY; Deborah, age 33, F, b. NY; Victor, age 13, M, b. NY; Charles, age 9, M, b. NY, at school; Joseph, age 7, M, b. NY, at school; Margaret [Gilbert], age 5, F, b. NY; Adelaide, age 3, F, b. NY; Bartholmew, age 1, M, b. NY. [next family, (4) same house] Sarah S. Gilbert, age 34 [b. 1825-6], S, $100, b. NY; Mary Banta [mother of Sarah, by m1.], age 59, F, b. [1800-1] [She m. A. Z. Banta, 1842.], NY; Deborah, age 10, [b. 1849-50]. F, b. NY; Louise, age 5, b. NY. [Jun 7, 1860]. Her BANTA step-children, now aged 24-40 are not with her. She died after 1870 (found in 1870 census). Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" > Hi Bob, > > You wrote (in part): > > > Does anyone have access to the SAYRE Genealogy, by Theodore M. > > BANTA? Is there any information on Albert Zabriskie BANTA and his > > wives in it? Theoodore M. BANTA, the genealogist, was the son of > > Albert Zabriskie BANTA and Sarah Ann SAYRE, and hence a step- > son of > > Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA. > > > I found the Sayre Genealogy by Theodore M. Banta on-line at > Heritage Quest. > > Banta, Theodore Melvin, Sayre family : lineage of Thomas Sayre, a > founder of Southampton; New York: (1901) > > On page 497, Mr. Banta said (believe it or not), ABSOLUTELY NOTHING > about a second marriage for his father. He mentioned the death > of his > mother, Sarah Ann Sayre on 5 Sep 1839 in Augusta, GA (and that > Albert > Zabriskie Banta returned to NYC in 1841 and died there 31 Aug > 1854), and > then proceeded to list the children (without missing a beat). > > Since Theodore M. Banta was born 23 Nov 1834, you would think he might > have been aware of a strange woman in the household . > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Barbara I am a member of NYGBS. They do not appear to have this issue on their web site - but I would be willing to request a copy for you - if no one else comes up easier! Let me know Frank Sloat - - -- - - - - - - - - - - --- Barbara Whiteside <bobbeo60@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written > for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen > reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the > full article if possible. > > > Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C > 126:245 > "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical > & Biographical Record. > Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 > > If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. > > Thanks > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com > > Researching the Monfort family since 1962 > Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. > 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 > > > > Barbara Whiteside > bobbeo60@yahoo.com > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web > links. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

I am looking for a copy of the article listed below that was written for the NYG&B quarterly. Does anyone have access to it? I have seen reference to it in several genealogies and would like to read the full article if possible. Macy, Harry Jr., “Sarah (De Planck) Monfort” 122:143-149; A/C 126:245 "Sara (De Planck) Monfort," Macy, Harry Jr (New York Genealogical & Biographical Record. Vol. 122, N. 3, Jul 1991 If anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com THE MONTFORT FAMILY: A NARRATIVE http://bar-b-k.tripod.com Researching the Monfort family since 1962 Curious about the Montfort family since 1952. 12th generation of the Montfort family in America since 1942 Barbara Whiteside bobbeo60@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

Check the Hoppe family as it is well researched.I still use their bore cleaner. ----- Original Message ----- From: <protzy41@optonline.net> To: <dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com> Cc: <pjsears@stratos.net> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 Thank you Pam, This is certainly puzzling. One would certainly think that Theodore M. BANTA would list his step-mother (Mary Ann) in his SAYRE Genealogy. Could George Olin Zabriskie have gotten it wrong? It is certainly true that Mary Ann (Price) (Hoppe?) married a BANTA. Was it Theodore's father, Albert Z. BANTA? Or perhaps another BANTA? The 1850 census from NYC shows: 1850 – New York, NY – 9-WD, ED-1 – 424 – 840 – pg. Line 18 – 2 family house - Albert C. [sic] Banta, head, age 52, M, Feed Store, b. NJ; Mary Ann Banta, [m. 1842], age 49, F, b. NY; Emily M. Banta, age 30, F, b. NY; Sarah Banta, age 26, F, b. NY; William Banta, age 21, M, Clerk, b. NY; Pucah [=Jacob] Banta, age 19, M, Clerk, b. NY; Lavina Banta, age 25, F, b. NY; Theodore Banta, age 16, b. NY; Mary Banta, age 14, b. NY; Thomas C. Banta, age 25, M, Clerk, b. NY, Aug 6, 1850. These are the children listed for Albert Z. BANTA (from his first wife, Sarah Ann Sayre), by Zabriskie. I assume that the middle initial "C." was a mis-hearing for "Z.", by the Census taker, as the children fit those given by Zabriskie. And here is his (second) wife, Mary Ann. Albert died 4 years later: Obit - NYTimes - Sep 1, 1854 - “In this city, on Thursday morning, Aug 31, of consumption, Albert Z. BANTA, in the 56th year of his age. His friends, and those of his family, are respectfully invited to attend his funeral, from his late residence, No. 34 Troy st., on Saturday morning Sept. 2, at 8 o’clock. His remains will be taken to Hackensack, N. J. for interment.” The widow BANTA shows up in the 1860 census, living in the same house as her daughter (Deborah (Rivers Skaats GESLAIN) and son-in-law (Charles T. GESLAIN)'s family; with Sarah Gilbert who was her widowed dau from her earlier marriage: 1860 – 1st Div, WD-7, Brooklyn, NY, ED-1 -2 – 3 – 2 family house - Charles T. Geislin/Geeslin, age 39, M, Conductor, $500, b. NY; Deborah, age 33, F, b. NY; Victor, age 13, M, b. NY; Charles, age 9, M, b. NY, at school; Joseph, age 7, M, b. NY, at school; Margaret [Gilbert], age 5, F, b. NY; Adelaide, age 3, F, b. NY; Bartholmew, age 1, M, b. NY. [next family, (4) same house] Sarah S. Gilbert, age 34 [b. 1825-6], S, $100, b. NY; Mary Banta [mother of Sarah, by m1.], age 59, F, b. [1800-1] [She m. A. Z. Banta, 1842.], NY; Deborah, age 10, [b. 1849-50]. F, b. NY; Louise, age 5, b. NY. [Jun 7, 1860]. Her BANTA step-children, now aged 24-40 are not with her. She died after 1870 (found in 1870 census). Bob Protzmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" Date: Friday, June 1, 2007 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] * Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA - who was she? by protzy41 To: "Dutch-Colonies@rootsweb.com" > Hi Bob, > > You wrote (in part): > > > Does anyone have access to the SAYRE Genealogy, by Theodore M. > > BANTA? Is there any information on Albert Zabriskie BANTA and his > > wives in it? Theoodore M. BANTA, the genealogist, was the son of > > Albert Zabriskie BANTA and Sarah Ann SAYRE, and hence a step- > son of > > Mary Ann HOPPE(R) SKAATS BANTA. > > > I found the Sayre Genealogy by Theodore M. Banta on-line at > Heritage Quest. > > Banta, Theodore Melvin, Sayre family : lineage of Thomas Sayre, a > founder of Southampton; New York: (1901) > > On page 497, Mr. Banta said (believe it or not), ABSOLUTELY NOTHING > about a second marriage for his father. He mentioned the death > of his > mother, Sarah Ann Sayre on 5 Sep 1839 in Augusta, GA (and that > Albert > Zabriskie Banta returned to NYC in 1841 and died there 31 Aug > 1854), and > then proceeded to list the children (without missing a beat). > > Since Theodore M. Banta was born 23 Nov 1834, you would think he might > have been aware of a strange woman in the household . > > > Regards, > Pam Sears > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, You wrote: > While you are in theSayre book, is there any reference to the > following Daniel Sayre This is a dead end in my Dayton line JOHN C > VAN BUSKIRK <snip> Descendants of Daniel Sayre 2. MARY2 SAYRE (DANIEL1) She married JOHN OWEN. <snip> I'm not sure what you mean. I do not own the Sayre book, but it is available on-line at Heritage Quest. I have accessed the book again, and find the following: Banta, Theodore Melvin, Sayre family : lineage of Thomas Sayre, a founder of Southampton; New York: (1901), page 68 Sarah [not Mary] Sayre, daughter of Daniel Sayre (who was possibly the son of Samuel Sayre), and Rebecca Bond, married John Owen, a weaver of Elizabeth, N.J. John Owen's will was dated 21 Mar 1761; proved 6 Jun 1761 [NJ Wills, G 399], and in it he mentions 6 children: Mary, Rebecca, Hannah, Sarah, Daniel and Jedediah. No dates of birth/marriage/death are given for any of them. The line is not carried forward. Since you provided no dates or location in your query, I have no idea if this is a match (or even comes close). Regards, Pam Sears