Hi Mary, I found a couple of entries in the Albany DRC Records that might interest you. On page 26 there is a marriage on 29 Oct 1693 between Jacob Supplisoo and Eytje Hendriksz. Eyte was the widow of Dirk Hessling, the father of Maria Dirkse Hessling. The other entry on page 27 was the marriage of Jonathan Deyer from Wales to Maria Dirkse Hessling on 21 Nov 1695. Maria was the widow of Harmannus Hagedoorn. Both entries indicate that all of these persons were living in Schenectady. Jonathan Deyer and Maria Dirkse had 4 children baptized in the Schenectady Reformed Church. I have the children of Hendrick and Annatje Stevens and the children of Samuel and Dina Stevens on my website at www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family/ I would be interested in the information about Dirk and Maritie Matyssen. Richard

Thank you for spotting this article.  I Googled:   Monzingo LA Times May 17, 2010 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others who are interested.   Jan --- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM If you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you most likely have an on line subscription to the LA Times.  Today there is a terrific article, listed below.  Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a black African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian for generations or what ever.  He did a superior job of writing this article which comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show.  While Monzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely could be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves.  Moving into the future, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be more tracings not just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between.  If you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing service and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you,  hopefully.  Judy  A FAMILY SECRET In search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' By Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. Curious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to the 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past Photos: Wide-ranging roots Interactive: Mozingos in America Part 2: An old diary throws him a curve He could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A slave? Part 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans He wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact that their common forefather was black. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning. I am hoping someone on the list is more knowledgeable about Harmanus Hagedoorn (died before 1695) and his wife Maria Dirkse Hessling. They married about 1681 and I know not where. They had three sons: Hendrick who married Annatje Stevens Dirk who married Maritie Matyssen Samuel who married Dina Stevens I have two general questions: 1. Harmanus Hagedoorn's birth and parents? 2. Who were Maritie Matyssen? She is a real mystery. Thank you for your time and any help you can provide me. Mary in Alaska

Hi Douglas, > I have been trying to locate the birth dates for Rachel, Martha and > Isaac Quackenbush, the children of Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy van > der Werken. According to "The Story of Old Saratoga" Jacob, his wife > and three children were captured and sent to the prison in Quebec > between Dec. 11, 1745 and Feb. 22, 1746. Gratus Van der Werken, the > brother of Geertruy and both of her parents were also captured. Jacob, > Isaac and Martha all died in prison and Rachel who was separated from > her parents lived with the Indians and survived. > The 1909 edition of "The Quackenbush Family in Holland and America" > states that Rachel, the daughter of Pieter Quackenbosch and his wife > Neeltie Marinus who was baptized on Jan. 22, 1716 was the Rachel who > was captured by the Indians. This could not be correct because the > Rachel who was captured was between the ages of 12-14. I have not been > able to locate the 1989 edition of the book written by Gail Richard > Quackenbus. > > Douglas C. Buckelew Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken were married at Albany: 1719; Sept. 20. With B. Jacob Quakkenbosch and Geertruy Van der Werken. Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken had issue (all baptized at Albany [HSYBs 1905 & 1906], unless otherwise noted): 14 May 1721; Abraham, of Jacob and Geertruy Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Isack Quakkenbosch, Anna Wyngaard. 15 Mar 1724; Gerrit, of Jac. and Geert. Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Gerr. and Mar. V. D. Werken. ***21 Apr 1728;. Isaac, of Jac. Quakkenbos and Geert. Quakkbos. Wit.: Jac. and Jann. Pearson. 2 Oct 1731; Maria, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbosch. Wit.: D. and Christ. V. Dyk. 13 Apr 1735; Jacob, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbos. Wit.: Abr. Quackenbos, Geertr. d. Fou. ***28 May 1737; Machtel, of J. and G. Quackenbos. Wit.: G. V. D. Werke, A. V. Franken. [Machtel is Martha] Rachel was baptized at Schenectady [Note: the father's name, Isaac, is in error for Jacob] ***Rachel #1321; Bapt. Date: 13 Apr 1740; Father: Isaac Quackenbos; Mother: Geertruy Quackenbos; Sponsors: Gerrit van Franker, Magrit Quackenbos Source: Baptism Records of Schenectady Reformed Church [1694-1811] Regards, Pam Sears

Marianne, > Would anyone know the parents of Cornelius Wyckoff that married the > widow Lammetje Kroesen in Vol II of Pa. German Marriages and it is > labeled as the North and Southampton Dutch Reformed Church, > Churchville, Bucks Co.. Part 2 Roll 130 and and the church is also > called Neshaminy (SP?) Church. > Marianne Dillow > Illinois I do not know the names of the parents of the above Cornelius Wyckoff, but he was also widowed when he married Lammetje (Van Arsdalen) Croesen. Pennsylvania Vital Records, Volume I, Reformed Dutch Church, Churchville, Bucks Co., Pa.: Baptisms, 1737-1780; Marriages, 1738-1772, Page 266 Anno 1761; On 24 Mar, with a license, were married: Cornelius Wykoff, widower, with Lammetje Kroesen, widow. The church at Churchville, Bucks Co, PA _was_ known as Neshaminy and Bensalem until the church of North and Southampton was organized. Dutch Reformed Church of Neshaminy & Bensalem, 1710-1738 Dutch Reformed Church of North & Southampton, 1737-1788 Best regards, Pam Sears

Thanks Pam., I did have that but can't find out who Cornelius parents are... Marianne Dillow May 15, 2010 03:28:01 PM, [email protected] wrote: Marianne, > >> Would anyone know the parents of Cornelius Wyckoff that married the >> widow Lammetje Kroesen in Vol II of Pa. German Marriages and it is >> labeled as the North and Southampton Dutch Reformed Church, >> Churchville, Bucks Co.. Part 2 Roll 130 and and the church is also >> called Neshaminy (SP?) Church. >> Marianne Dillow >> Illinois > >I do not know the names of the parents of the above Cornelius Wyckoff, >but he was also widowed when he married Lammetje (Van Arsdalen) Croesen. > >Pennsylvania Vital Records, Volume I, Reformed Dutch Church, >Churchville, Bucks Co., Pa.: Baptisms, 1737-1780; Marriages, 1738-1772, >Page 266 >Anno 1761; On 24 Mar, with a license, were married: Cornelius Wykoff, >widower, with Lammetje Kroesen, widow. > >The church at Churchville, Bucks Co, PA _was_ known as Neshaminy and >Bensalem until the church of North and Southampton was organized. > >Dutch Reformed Church of Neshaminy & Bensalem, 1710-1738 >Dutch Reformed Church of North & Southampton, 1737-1788 > > >Best regards, >Pam Sears > >

I have been trying to locate the birth dates for Rachel, Martha and Isaac Quackenbush, the children of Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy van der Werken. According to "The Story of Old Saratoga" Jacob, his wife and three children were captured and sent to the prison in Quebec between Dec. 11, 1745 and Feb. 22, 1746. Gratus Van der Werken, the brother of Geertruy and both of her parents were also captured. Jacob, Isaac and Martha all died in prison and Rachel who was separated from her parents lived with the Indians and survived. The 1909 edition of "The Quackenbush Family in Holland and America" states that Rachel, the daughter of Pieter Quackenbosch and his wife Neeltie Marinus who was baptized on Jan. 22, 1716 was the Rachel who was captured by the Indians. This could not be correct because the Rachel who was captured was between the ages of 12-14. I have not been able to locate the 1989 edition of the book written by Gail Richard Quackenbus. Douglas C. Buckelew

Would anyone know the parents of Cornelius Wyckoff that married the widow Lammetje Kroesen in Vol II of Pa. German Marriages and it is labeled as the North and Southampton Dutch Reformed Church, Churchville, Bucks Co.. Part 2 Roll 130 and and the church is also called Neshaminy (SP?) Church. Marianne Dillow Illinois

Thank you Pam for your extensive research into my question. I have a lot of what you sent but I will need some time to compare what you sent with my data. I am a direct descendent of John Conselyea and Elizabeth Devoe, both of whom were born in Hackensack, NJ. I have always suspected that Alexander Conselyea is connected to this family but haven't been able to prove it. I'll get back when I can digest what you have sent. Thanks, Alan Eckert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela J. Sears" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] CONSELYEA > Hi Alan, > > You wrote: > >> >> I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. >> His son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. >> married Rachel Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander >> and Rachel had children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. >> I am certain Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of >> Bushwick but I can not find a direct connection. I have been able to >> trace my mother, Lydia Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, >> back to the original CONSELYEAs of Bushwick. I have been in contact >> with some great grand children of Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South >> Carolina but they have no idea how they connect to the Bushwick >> CONSELYEAs. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Alan Eckert > > Have you definitely eliminated the family of John Conselyea and his wife > Elizabeth Devoe who married at Schraalenburgh on 30 April 1796?: > > Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, > New Jersey > [New York] :: Printed for the Society, (1891), page 65 > John Dolf Canselje and Elizabeth Devoe > > There were 2 children baptized at Schraalenburgh, but that does not > preclude there being an "Alexander" (born after 1800) ..... > > p. 347; Sally, b 5 Feb; bpt 24 Mar 1797; child of John Canselyea and > Elizabeth Devoe > p. 352; Polly, bpt 28 Apr 1799; child of John Canselye and Elizabeth Devoe > > Yes, Alexander was said to be age 55 (born New Jersey) in the 1850 > census (therefore born 1795), but the ages given in the census are never > 100% accurate. > > 6 August 1850 > 1850 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN > Series: M432 Roll: 442 Page: 218 > Elexander Conselyea, age 55, Shoemaker, b NJ > Susan Conselyea, age 43, b NJ > George Conselyea, age 17, Laborer, b NY > Agnes Conselyea, age 15, b NJ > Ann Eliza Conselyea, age 12, b NJ > Alexander Conselyea, age 10, b NJ > Jane Conselyea, age 8, b NJ > John Conselyea, age 6, b NJ > Benjamin Conselyea, age 4, b NJ > Louisa Conselyea, age 2, b NJ > Hester Ann Conselyea, age 21, b NJ > > > 1850 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN > Series: M432 Roll: 442 Page: 217 > Cornelius Van Diene, age 32, Farmer > Susan Van Diene, age 31 > Sophia Van Diene, age 10 > Edward Conselyea, age 16, Laborer, b NJ > > > The family appears to have made a brief sojourn to New York, for George > is said to have been born in New York (in 1833). Also interesting to > note is that "Elexander" was listed as "Alexander" in the 1840 census > (as Head of Household) which means that the census enumerator used the > "E" when it should have been an "A" (in 1850). > > 1840 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN > Series: M704 Roll: 247 Page: 151 > Alexander Conselyea household > 2 males under 5 > 1 males 5-10 > 1 male 30-40 > 2 females under 5 > 1 female 5-10 > 1 female 40-50 > > Based on the above, I am also inclined to think that Susan, the wife > listed in the 1850 census, may have been a second wife, and that > Alexander was more likely born between 1800 and 1810. Unfortunately, > census enumerations cannot be verified. > > I can only find son John Conselyea in the 1860 census, who was working > on the farm of Garret Van Dien. > > 12 July 1860 > 1860 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN TWP > Series: M653 Roll: 683 Page: 341 > Garret Van Dean, age 27, Farmer > Rachel Van Dean, age 26 > Casper Van Dean, age 5 > Kate Van Dean, age 3 > Peter Van Dean, age 6 months > John Conselya, age 17, Farm laborer > Mary DeWitt, age 9 > ************************ > Jane Van Dean, age 69 > > The rest appear to have either left the area by 1860, or the names were > illegible and are therefore not indexed correctly. > > A survey of the Conselyea Heads of Household in earlier census > enumerations only mentions one [possible] family living in New Jersey > (in 1830): > > 1790 > Andrew, Ann, William > 1800 > Andrew, Ann, John, William [Conselyee in Bushwick] > 1810 > Andrew, John, Joseph, Mercy, William, William, all in Bushwick > 1820 > Joseph, William, John, Peter (all Flat Lands) and Andrew (Flatbush) > 1830 > (Bushwick/Williamsburg) Andrew, Andrew S., Joseph, William [Consilyea] > William Conselvea [Bushwick] > John Consellia [Caldwell, Essex, NJ] > > > Nothing definitive, but at least something to consider. > > > > Best regards, > Pam Sears > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Alan, You wrote: > > I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. > His son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. > married Rachel Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander > and Rachel had children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. > I am certain Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of > Bushwick but I can not find a direct connection. I have been able to > trace my mother, Lydia Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, > back to the original CONSELYEAs of Bushwick. I have been in contact > with some great grand children of Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South > Carolina but they have no idea how they connect to the Bushwick > CONSELYEAs. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Alan Eckert Have you definitely eliminated the family of John Conselyea and his wife Elizabeth Devoe who married at Schraalenburgh on 30 April 1796?: Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey [New York] :: Printed for the Society, (1891), page 65 John Dolf Canselje and Elizabeth Devoe There were 2 children baptized at Schraalenburgh, but that does not preclude there being an "Alexander" (born after 1800) ..... p. 347; Sally, b 5 Feb; bpt 24 Mar 1797; child of John Canselyea and Elizabeth Devoe p. 352; Polly, bpt 28 Apr 1799; child of John Canselye and Elizabeth Devoe Yes, Alexander was said to be age 55 (born New Jersey) in the 1850 census (therefore born 1795), but the ages given in the census are never 100% accurate. 6 August 1850 1850 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN Series: M432 Roll: 442 Page: 218 Elexander Conselyea, age 55, Shoemaker, b NJ Susan Conselyea, age 43, b NJ George Conselyea, age 17, Laborer, b NY Agnes Conselyea, age 15, b NJ Ann Eliza Conselyea, age 12, b NJ Alexander Conselyea, age 10, b NJ Jane Conselyea, age 8, b NJ John Conselyea, age 6, b NJ Benjamin Conselyea, age 4, b NJ Louisa Conselyea, age 2, b NJ Hester Ann Conselyea, age 21, b NJ 1850 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN Series: M432 Roll: 442 Page: 217 Cornelius Van Diene, age 32, Farmer Susan Van Diene, age 31 Sophia Van Diene, age 10 Edward Conselyea, age 16, Laborer, b NJ The family appears to have made a brief sojourn to New York, for George is said to have been born in New York (in 1833). Also interesting to note is that "Elexander" was listed as "Alexander" in the 1840 census (as Head of Household) which means that the census enumerator used the "E" when it should have been an "A" (in 1850). 1840 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN Series: M704 Roll: 247 Page: 151 Alexander Conselyea household 2 males under 5 1 males 5-10 1 male 30-40 2 females under 5 1 female 5-10 1 female 40-50 Based on the above, I am also inclined to think that Susan, the wife listed in the 1850 census, may have been a second wife, and that Alexander was more likely born between 1800 and 1810. Unfortunately, census enumerations cannot be verified. I can only find son John Conselyea in the 1860 census, who was working on the farm of Garret Van Dien. 12 July 1860 1860 > NEW JERSEY > BERGEN > FRANKLIN TWP Series: M653 Roll: 683 Page: 341 Garret Van Dean, age 27, Farmer Rachel Van Dean, age 26 Casper Van Dean, age 5 Kate Van Dean, age 3 Peter Van Dean, age 6 months John Conselya, age 17, Farm laborer Mary DeWitt, age 9 ************************ Jane Van Dean, age 69 The rest appear to have either left the area by 1860, or the names were illegible and are therefore not indexed correctly. A survey of the Conselyea Heads of Household in earlier census enumerations only mentions one [possible] family living in New Jersey (in 1830): 1790 Andrew, Ann, William 1800 Andrew, Ann, John, William [Conselyee in Bushwick] 1810 Andrew, John, Joseph, Mercy, William, William, all in Bushwick 1820 Joseph, William, John, Peter (all Flat Lands) and Andrew (Flatbush) 1830 (Bushwick/Williamsburg) Andrew, Andrew S., Joseph, William [Consilyea] William Conselvea [Bushwick] John Consellia [Caldwell, Essex, NJ] Nothing definitive, but at least something to consider. Best regards, Pam Sears

My two cents. . . . could it be Consuella having been spelled by the English - Gonzales occurs to me also as a surname SKIP2MLOU > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:11:43 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] CONSELYEA > > Thanks Barbara for your suggestion, but I have looked at many spelling > variations and have found no clues. > > Alan Eckert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barbara rogers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] CONSELYEA > > > You might try Consalus or even Gunsolus. They seem to have used many > versions of this name. BR > > I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. His > son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. married Rachel > Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander and Rachel had > children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. I am certain > Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of Bushwick but I can > not find a direct connection. I have been able to trace my mother, Lydia > Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, back to the original CONSELYEAs > of Bushwick. I have been in contact with some great grand children of > Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South Carolina but they have no idea how they > connect to the Bushwick CONSELYEAs. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Alan Eckert > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Barbara for your suggestion, but I have looked at many spelling variations and have found no clues. Alan Eckert ----- Original Message ----- From: "barbara rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] CONSELYEA You might try Consalus or even Gunsolus. They seem to have used many versions of this name. BR I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. His son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. married Rachel Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander and Rachel had children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. I am certain Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of Bushwick but I can not find a direct connection. I have been able to trace my mother, Lydia Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, back to the original CONSELYEAs of Bushwick. I have been in contact with some great grand children of Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South Carolina but they have no idea how they connect to the Bushwick CONSELYEAs. Any help would be appreciated. Alan Eckert ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to David M. Riker, in "Genealogical and Biographical Directory To Persons in New Netherland"a Jean de Conselyea arrived approx 1662 and settled in Brooklyn. If you don't have this information, I will fill in the scant details if you will email me privately. Willard Saunders On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Alan Eckert <[email protected]> wrote: > I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. His > son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. married Rachel > Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander and Rachel had > children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. I am certain > Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of Bushwick but I can > not find a direct connection. I have been able to trace my mother, Lydia > Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, back to the original CONSELYEAs > of Bushwick. I have been in contact with some great grand children of > Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South Carolina but they have no idea how they > connect to the Bushwick CONSELYEAs. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Alan Eckert > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You might try Consalus or even Gunsolus.  They seem to have used many versions of this name.  BR I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. His son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. married Rachel Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander and Rachel had children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. I am certain Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of Bushwick but I can not find a direct connection. I have been able to trace my mother, Lydia Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, back to the original CONSELYEAs of Bushwick. I have been in contact with some great grand children of Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South Carolina but they have no idea how they connect to the Bushwick CONSELYEAs. Any help would be appreciated. Alan Eckert  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for the ancestors of Elexander CONSELYEA, b 1795 in NJ. His son, Alexander CONSELYEA, b May 04, 1840 in Bergen Co., NJ. married Rachel Ann MacDonald and moved to Georgia abt 1870. Alexander and Rachel had children, George G., Emma L., Samuel, Clarence Roland. I am certain Elexander CONSELYEA descends from the CONSELYEA family of Bushwick but I can not find a direct connection. I have been able to trace my mother, Lydia Isabel CONSELYEA b, 1905 in Glens Falls NY, back to the original CONSELYEAs of Bushwick. I have been in contact with some great grand children of Clarence Roland CONSELYEA in South Carolina but they have no idea how they connect to the Bushwick CONSELYEAs. Any help would be appreciated. Alan Eckert

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Hi Phyllis, that is my intent, hopefully. Judy May 11, 2010 06:24:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Judy and others, Sorry, Dorothy, to intercept your publication. Slaves are enumerated on the VA and KY tax lists. Enumerated by age group(s) on the VA Personal Property Tax Lists which began in 1782 and earlier on the colonial tax lists with slaves first names. Both are available on microfilm through interlibrary loan from the Library of Virginia and the LDS Family History Center nearest you. Mercer Co.,. KY Tax lists begins with 1787, includes slaves enumeration without names. Microfilmed, these are available at your nearest LDS Family History Center and they can be purchased from the Kentucky Department of Libraries and Archives for about $20 per microfilm. Check their online catalog for the needed years. Would be an interesting article if combined with any purchases/sales and devised property gathered from wills. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy and others, Sorry, Dorothy, to intercept your publication. Slaves are enumerated on the VA and KY tax lists. Enumerated by age group(s) on the VA Personal Property Tax Lists which began in 1782 and earlier on the colonial tax lists with slaves first names. Both are available on microfilm through interlibrary loan from the Library of Virginia and the LDS Family History Center nearest you. Mercer Co.,. KY Tax lists begins with 1787, includes slaves enumeration without names. Microfilmed, these are available at your nearest LDS Family History Center and they can be purchased from the Kentucky Department of Libraries and Archives for about $20 per microfilm. Check their online catalog for the needed years. Would be an interesting article if combined with any purchases/sales and devised property gathered from wills. Phyllis Vannoy Spiker

Probably, I am just beginning this project, so am not quite sure just where I am going with it. But I should add Shelby and Henry Counties also. Here are some of the surnames who owned slaves in Mercer Co. KY: Banta, Brewer, Armstrong, Vanarsdel, Smock, Westerfield, Terhune, Vandveer, Vannice. Riker, Stagg, Commigore and in Henry and Shelby Counties, KY, Monfort, Voreis, Darland, Demaree. I am looking for early wills and inventories especially, as well as deeds or mortgages. Thanks Judy Don't add this in, but just wanted to mention, that there was a posting to the Mercer Co. List where someone felt that they descended from one of the slaves owned by an L. Vanarsdale, who had come to Leake MS from Mercer Co., So I did a little research and discovered that this was Luke Vanarsdale, the grandson of Capt. Luke Vanarsdale, who purchased all the land in Kentucky for the Conewago Low Dutch over in Henry County and helped to start the Low Dutch Company there. I posted an answer but the person never responded. I thought this was quite interesting and knew from documents I had in my possession that many of these Low Dutch did have slaves at Conewago some of which were sold to each other and some which were brought down to Kentucky. So I thought I would try and find out how many, and if possible their names. Using the Slave census for 1850 and 1860 I got that information but also found that there were many of the Low Dutch with identical surnames who came directly f! rom N. J. So I am sorting this all out but hopefully in the end, using the 1870 census, descendants of these slaves might be able to determine who if any of these slaves they might descend from. Judy May 11, 2010 02:37:09 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Dear Judy, Do you think your query would have more drawing power if you added an "e.g." with some sample surnames like Banta, etc.? Dorothy >Hello Dorothy: I do have a brief Query: looking for information on >Mercer Co., KY families who were slave owners, with Low Dutch >connections. Judy Cassidy > >May 11, 2010 12:08:12 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >=========================================== > >Dear Listers, Over the years some people have expressed their >disappointment to me that their families of interest have not >appeared in the pages of "New Netherland Connections". I always >suggest that they submit a query -- of any length -- to present their >current research puzzles to the readers of NNC. Queries are free to >subscribers and to non-subscribers alike. (Non-subscribers will >receive a free copy of the issue in which their queries appear.) > >At present I am putting the final touches on the current issue and >still have room for a few new queries. > >If you have undocumented gaps in any of your Dutch colonial lines or >if you have a stubby branch on your family tree, please send me your >query directly to [email protected] for inclusion in the May 2010 >issue. > >Dorothy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Dorothy & List, I would appreciate some feedback if people are willing to do so. There might be some that are researching Lena (Houghtaling) Parish or her parents Jonathan Houghteling and Dorothea Middagh. Probably not ready for publication. I thought I would share an update in case you were interested. I still have a lot to prove. Surname: Houghtaling (Lena) spouse of Stephen Parish I am in the process of hopefully proving that the Elonor Parish of Monroe Co., NY is our ever elusive Lena (Houghtaling) Parish. the Zebulon Parish family were CT settlers in the Lackaway District in the "Susquehanna Company Settlement" in PA. Source: CT's Pennsylvania "Colony" 1754-1810 : Vol II The Settlers page 99. It looks like they then went to Goshen, Orange Co, NY after the battle of Wyoming Valley. Zebulon Parish is in Goshen by 1790. Stephen Parish went back to PA after 1790 he is in the Palmyra Twp., Wayne Co., PA census in 1800 and 1810. Then by 1820 he is in Rush, Ontario Co., NY. It looks like maybe Lena went by the name of Eleanor not Lena in the Federal census and NY State Census. Thanks to the Michigan marriages/death's databases at the LDS Labs website this family is coming together. Most of Lena's children were born in Palmyra Twp, Wayne Co., PA. Sources: Irene (Parish) Woodward (LDS Labs) scanned death certificate says parents Stephen Parish & Lany Hougtaling, Irene's place of birth Palmyra, Wayne Co, PA Ellen (Parish) Whipple (LDS Labs) scanned death certificate says parents Stephen Passiole and mother's maiden name is Houghtading, Ellen's place of birth new York Eunice (Parish) Ewer Fritz (LDS Labs) marriage to John P Fritz says place of birth Palmyra, PA Stephen Parish marriage (LDS Labs) to Hannah M Taft says place of birth PA Fatima (Parish) Rossiter census says PA Dorcas Parish marriage to Amos Freeman - Palmyra, Wayne County, PA Source: newspaper - Susquehanna Democrat I am waiting to receive Roxia's death certificate (I hope) Name: Eleanor / Lena - Daughter of Jonathan Hoogtelink & Dorothea Midagh Birth Date: Abt 1770-1773 Place: United States Chr. Date: 10 Feb 1773 Place: Machackemack (Deer Park) Orange Co., New York Death Date: probably before 1865 (?1862) Events 1 She appeared on the Federal census in 1830 in Rush, Monroe, New York, United States. 2 She appeared on the Federal census in 1840 in Rush, Monroe, New York, United States. 1 If I read this correctly: 1 Female 60-70, 1 Male 20-30 3 She appeared on the Federal census in 1850 in Rush, Monroe, New York, United States. 2 living by herself age 75 born in Pennsylvania. She is next door to an Andrew Rutland household. This household has a Levi Darby, Roxia (probably her daughter) Darby, and (probably her granddaughters) Cordelia Ewers, Henrietta Ewers. 4 She appeared on the State census in 1855 in Rush, Monroe, New York, United States. living with (probably her son) Stephen Parish & his wife Rachel Ann Parish. 5 She appeared on the Federal census in 1860 in Rush, Monroe, New York, United States. 3 Eleanor Parish 83 years old, born in New Jersey. Living in the Levi Darby household. Wife Roxia Darby 52 years old born in PA, daughter Henrietta Ewer, and a Caroline and Catherine Taft in the household. Henrietta Ewer, Caroline and Catherine Taft born in Monroe County, New York. Spouse: *Stephen Parish (28 Jan 1755 - Abt 1827)4 Source Citations 1. 1840 U.S. census, Monroe, New York, Rush, p. 89, Eleanor Parish; NARA microfilm publication M704, roll 297. 2. 1850 U.S. census, Monroe, New York, population schedule, Rush, Eleanor Parish; NARA microfilm publication M432. 3. 1860 U.S. census, Monroe, New York, population schedule, Rush, Eleanor Parish; NARA microfilm publication M653. Debbie Freeman - a descendant of Dorcas (Parish) Freeman