Hi Jan, Thank you for the additional information and source references. Could you please tell us what "REC 78:162" and "REC 73:229" reference? Those who wish to independently verify these records will appreciate the details. Also, > From "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by > Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical > Record, July 1953 The above is from Volume 84 of the NYG&B Record (pp 134-148) > From "Additional Material Pertaining to the Harris Family of Block > Island and Dutchess County" by Robert H. Bowerman, New York > Genealogical & Biographical Record, October 1993, pages 222 - 224, The above is from Volume 124 of the NYG&B Record. > From "The Supposed Children of Thomas Harris of Dutchess County" by > Dr. Gale Ion Harris, The New York Genealogical and Biographical > Record, January 2002. The above is from Volume 133 of the NYG&B Record (pages 3-18) Best regards, Pam Sears

Hi Pam,   I'm sorry, I copied the refence without translating it.  The NYG&B Record established standard abbreviations for sources in 1933, I think, so in their publications,  REC always stands for The New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, and following this in parentheses is the (volume:page).  So REC (78:162), for example, would be the New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Volume 78, Page 162.   I will do better with providing volumes instead of dates in the future.   Thank you,   Jan       --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Outwater and Belitie Demarest To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 7:05 PM Hi Jan, Thank you for the additional information and source references. Could you please tell us what "REC 78:162" and "REC 73:229" reference? Those who wish to independently verify these records will appreciate the details. Also, > From "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by > Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical > Record, July 1953 The above is from Volume 84 of the NYG&B Record (pp 134-148) > From "Additional Material Pertaining to the Harris Family of Block > Island and Dutchess County" by Robert H. Bowerman, New York > Genealogical & Biographical Record, October 1993, pages 222 - 224, The above is from Volume 124 of the NYG&B Record. > From "The Supposed Children of Thomas Harris of Dutchess County" by > Dr. Gale Ion Harris, The New York Genealogical and Biographical > Record, January 2002. The above is from Volume 133 of the NYG&B Record  (pages 3-18) Best regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One correction:  Dr. Gale Ion Harris has corrected the ancestry of  Joseph Harris.  He was shown in the two earlier articles as Joseph4 (William3, Thomas2, William1) Harris.  Dr. Harris demonstrates that he is in fact Joseph3 (John2, John1), and is descended from John Harris of Albany who married Elizabeth Claasz, and whose son John2 Harris married Jannetje Nessepat. Jan --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Janice Pranger <[email protected]> wrote: From: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Outwater and Belitie Demarest To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 5:07 PM A little more about Daniel Outwater, the grandson, and Revolutionary War veteran.   >From "Additional Material Pertaining to the Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County" by Robert H. Bowerman, New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, October 1993, pages 222 - 224,   Provides a reference for the 8 Dec 1774 marriage of Daniel Outwater and Neeltje Harris at Hopewell:  REC 78:162 In 1847, Neeltje made a Revolutionary War pension application (W15933, National Archives Microfilm M804, roll 1853) based on the service of Lt. Daniel Outwater.  She presented a family record listing the birthdates for 11 children:  Petrus, Anna, Daniel, Gitty, Beljatte and Barent VanCleek shown below, plus a daughter Elizabeth b. 23 Sep 1781 (between Daniel and Gitty),  Joseph b. 15 Dec 1789, Catherine 14 Feb 1793, J___ (a son, died young) b. 1796, and Sarah b. 30 Nov 1798   Daniel & Neeltje Outwater left Dutchess County and appear in the Adolphustown Census (Ontaria, Canada) in 1803.      Daniel Outwater, the grandson, died October 14, 1827; his widow, Neeltje Harris Outwater travelled in 1847 (at the age of 91) to Oswego, New York to make her pension application and returned to Canada to collect her $80 per year pension until her death in 1851.  Neeltje Harris Outwater died at Hay Bay, Fredericksburgh Twp., 31 Dec, 1851, aged 95.  Her obituary was abstracted in The Dutchess 16:64.   Neeltje Harris was the daughter of Joseph4 (William 3, Thomas2, William1) Harris.   >From "The Supposed Children of Thomas Harris of Dutchess County" by Dr. Gale Ion Harris, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, January 2002.   Joseph Harris (Neeltje's father) bap. 15 Oct. 1727 at Kingston, sp Evert Bogardus and Elizabeth Naks, son of William2 Harris and Catherine (Naks/Noxen) Harris: m. (1) Poughkeepsie Dutch Church, 2 Jan. 1747, Annetje Viele (REC 73:229) and (2) 13 Mar. 1780, Tunta Knox (Viele Records, 1913 p. 111 & 126).   >From "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, July 1953 [but superceded in many instances by additional information, and corrected in the articles listed above]    All of Joseph Harris' children were by his first wife Annetje Viele, who was a daughter of Myndert & Neeltje (Van Kleek) Viele.    It would seem that Annetje Viele Harris must have died sometime between between the baptism of her granddaughter (#470 below) in 1777 and Joseph's remarriage in 1780.     Jan --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Outwater and Belitie Demarest To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 2:30 PM Hi Ethel and Pat, I can add a bit. Here is the will abstract of Peter Outwater: Abstracts of Wills, Vol XII, 1782-1784    p 227-228 Liber 36: Page 362.--In the name of God, Amen. The first day of September, 1775. I, PETER OUTWATER, farmer, of Rumbouts precinct, Dutchess County, being of sound mind and memory. I leave to my loving wife Balitje, the use of the farm on which I now dwell, with its buildings, etc.; Also, that of another farm on the north side of Johannes Schurrigh's farm; Also, such of my stock, negroes, household furniture, etc., not sold to pay my just debts; all while my widow. If she remarries, then (in lieu of her dower), one bed and her choice of furniture, of a negro wench, and furniture (at my executors' discretion) for house-keeping; and her wearing apparel. Unto my grandson, Daniel Outwater, £5; the farm whereon I dwell, buildings, etc.; at the death or remarriage of my widow. Unto my granddaughter, Catharine Outwater, wife of Barndt Van Kleeck, of the same county, the use of my other farm adjoining Johannes Schurrigh, at my widow's death or remarriage. After said Catharine's decease, to go equally to the children of her body. My undisposed of lands to be sold, the proceeds of sale to pay my debts. Should there be a shortage, enough of my stock, negroes, and other moveables to be sold; any overplus to go equally to my two grandchildren. At my widow's death or remarriage all remaining moveables to be divided in like manner. I make my grandson, Daniel Outwater, Barndt Van Kleeck, my trusty friend, Samuel Dodge, of the same county, executors. Witnesses, Johannes Schurri; Clement Cornell, of said county, yeoman; Antony Helst. Codicil. The fifteenth day of May, 1777, I, PETER OUTWATER, being weak in body; my wife Balitje having died, her legacy is to go equally to the above grandchildren. Unto Peter, son of my grandson, Daniel Outwater, my grey mare. My wench Mary, and my negro boy Jim, to the one of my grandchildren she may choose; my other wench Susan, unto the other grandchild. Same witnesses. Proved, April 2, 1784. Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Fishkill : Dutchess County, N.Y., 1731-1850. (1930)    p 8 Banns 1 Dec 1752; mrd 11 Jan 1753 Daniel Outwater of Hakkensak & Elizabeth Kniffen of Ry The grandson Daniel Outwater was baptized at Rhinebeck: Daniel  #685;  Birth Date:  29 Mar 1755;  Bapt. Date: 10 Aug 1755;  Parents: Daniel Outwater, Elizabeth Snikkens;  Sponsors: Pieter Outwater, Beeltje De Mores Source:    Baptismal Record of Reformed Church, Rhinebeck No birth record for Tryntje Outwater, but born circa 1753. Great grandchildren baptized at New Hackensack [all Arthur C. M. Kelly transcriptions]: Source:    Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Hackensack Tryntje Outwater mrd Barent Van Kleeck 19 Mar 1771 at Poughkeepsie [no source] Elizabeth  #265,  Birth Date: 1 May 1772  Bapt. Date: 7 Jun 1772;  Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudwater;  Sponsors: Pieter Oudwater and his wife Beletje and Antoinetta (twins) #331,  Birth Date: 12 May 1774  Bapt. Date: 5 Jun 1774 Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudewater; Sponsors: Daniel Oudewater, Helena Reynderse Maria  #421 Birth Date: 26 Dec 1776  Bapt. Date: 12 Jan 1777;  Parents: Barent van Kleek, Cathrina Oudwater;  Sponsors: Jacob Bekker, Antonetta van Kleek his wife Susanna, baptized 25 Sept 1779 [record not found] Jacoba  #683  Birth Date: 4 Apr 1783  Bapt. Date: 4 May 1783;  Parents: Barent van Cleek, Cathrina Oudwater Sarah  #917 Birth Date: 28 Mar 1787 Bapt. Date: 6 May 1787;  Parents: Barent van Cleeck, Cathrine Oudwater Daniel Outwater mrd Neeltje Harris 8 Dec 1774 at Hopewell [no source] Petrus  #373;  Birth Date: 27 Sep 1775;  Bapt. Date: 15 Oct 1775;  Parents: Daniel Oudewater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: Pieter Oudewater, Beletje his wife Anna  #470;  Birth Date: 14 Sep 1777;  Bapt. Date: 26 Oct 1777;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: Joseph Harris and his wife Daniel  #553;  Bapt. Date: 25 Dec 1779;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Gitty  #689;  Birth Date: 24 Dec 1783;  Bapt. Date: 1 Feb 1784;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: James Edmund, Getty his wife Beljatte  #814;  Birth Date: 6 Oct 1785;  Bapt. Date: 13 Jan 1786;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Barent van Cleek  #984;  Birth Date: 14 Nov 1786;  Bapt. Date: 17 Feb 1788;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Cathrine Harris Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Found this family history info for Pieter (peter) Outwater. http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/outwater.htm http://www.outwatersmilitia.com/Outwater.html ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:34:38 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Outwater and Belitie Demarest Who is Pieter Outwater who married Belitie Demarest and did they have more   children?   Belitie Demarest, daughter of Daniel D Demarest and Rebecca DeGroot,  was baptized 21 Nov 1709 Hackensack DRCh [Hack:97].  Belitie married Pieter   Outwater 28 Sept 1728 [banns] in Schraalenburg DRCh. [Schraal:40] and they had   three children.   Daniel, bp 24 Oct 1731 [Hack:161];    Andries, bp 23 Feb 1735 [Schraal:78];    and     David, bp 13 May 1739 [Hack:179].   Regards,   Ethel Kay Konight   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ethel and Pat, I can add a bit. Here is the will abstract of Peter Outwater: Abstracts of Wills, Vol XII, 1782-1784 p 227-228 Liber 36: Page 362.--In the name of God, Amen. The first day of September, 1775. I, PETER OUTWATER, farmer, of Rumbouts precinct, Dutchess County, being of sound mind and memory. I leave to my loving wife Balitje, the use of the farm on which I now dwell, with its buildings, etc.; Also, that of another farm on the north side of Johannes Schurrigh's farm; Also, such of my stock, negroes, household furniture, etc., not sold to pay my just debts; all while my widow. If she remarries, then (in lieu of her dower), one bed and her choice of furniture, of a negro wench, and furniture (at my executors' discretion) for house-keeping; and her wearing apparel. Unto my grandson, Daniel Outwater, £5; the farm whereon I dwell, buildings, etc.; at the death or remarriage of my widow. Unto my granddaughter, Catharine Outwater, wife of Barndt Van Kleeck, of the same county, the use of my other farm adjoining Johannes Schurrigh, at my widow's death or remarriage. After said Catharine's decease, to go equally to the children of her body. My undisposed of lands to be sold, the proceeds of sale to pay my debts. Should there be a shortage, enough of my stock, negroes, and other moveables to be sold; any overplus to go equally to my two grandchildren. At my widow's death or remarriage all remaining moveables to be divided in like manner. I make my grandson, Daniel Outwater, Barndt Van Kleeck, my trusty friend, Samuel Dodge, of the same county, executors. Witnesses, Johannes Schurri; Clement Cornell, of said county, yeoman; Antony Helst. Codicil. The fifteenth day of May, 1777, I, PETER OUTWATER, being weak in body; my wife Balitje having died, her legacy is to go equally to the above grandchildren. Unto Peter, son of my grandson, Daniel Outwater, my grey mare. My wench Mary, and my negro boy Jim, to the one of my grandchildren she may choose; my other wench Susan, unto the other grandchild. Same witnesses. Proved, April 2, 1784. Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Fishkill : Dutchess County, N.Y., 1731-1850. (1930) p 8 Banns 1 Dec 1752; mrd 11 Jan 1753 Daniel Outwater of Hakkensak & Elizabeth Kniffen of Ry The grandson Daniel Outwater was baptized at Rhinebeck: Daniel #685; Birth Date: 29 Mar 1755; Bapt. Date: 10 Aug 1755; Parents: Daniel Outwater, Elizabeth Snikkens; Sponsors: Pieter Outwater, Beeltje De Mores Source: Baptismal Record of Reformed Church, Rhinebeck No birth record for Tryntje Outwater, but born circa 1753. Great grandchildren baptized at New Hackensack [all Arthur C. M. Kelly transcriptions]: Source: Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Hackensack Tryntje Outwater mrd Barent Van Kleeck 19 Mar 1771 at Poughkeepsie [no source] Elizabeth #265, Birth Date: 1 May 1772 Bapt. Date: 7 Jun 1772; Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudwater; Sponsors: Pieter Oudwater and his wife Beletje and Antoinetta (twins) #331, Birth Date: 12 May 1774 Bapt. Date: 5 Jun 1774 Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudewater; Sponsors: Daniel Oudewater, Helena Reynderse Maria #421 Birth Date: 26 Dec 1776 Bapt. Date: 12 Jan 1777; Parents: Barent van Kleek, Cathrina Oudwater; Sponsors: Jacob Bekker, Antonetta van Kleek his wife Susanna, baptized 25 Sept 1779 [record not found] Jacoba #683 Birth Date: 4 Apr 1783 Bapt. Date: 4 May 1783; Parents: Barent van Cleek, Cathrina Oudwater Sarah #917 Birth Date: 28 Mar 1787 Bapt. Date: 6 May 1787; Parents: Barent van Cleeck, Cathrine Oudwater Daniel Outwater mrd Neeltje Harris 8 Dec 1774 at Hopewell [no source] Petrus #373; Birth Date: 27 Sep 1775; Bapt. Date: 15 Oct 1775; Parents: Daniel Oudewater, Neeltje Harris; Sponsors: Pieter Oudewater, Beletje his wife Anna #470; Birth Date: 14 Sep 1777; Bapt. Date: 26 Oct 1777; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris; Sponsors: Joseph Harris and his wife Daniel #553; Bapt. Date: 25 Dec 1779; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Gitty #689; Birth Date: 24 Dec 1783; Bapt. Date: 1 Feb 1784; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris; Sponsors: James Edmund, Getty his wife Beljatte #814; Birth Date: 6 Oct 1785; Bapt. Date: 13 Jan 1786; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Barent van Cleek #984; Birth Date: 14 Nov 1786; Bapt. Date: 17 Feb 1788; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Cathrine Harris Regards, Pam Sears

A little more about Daniel Outwater, the grandson, and Revolutionary War veteran.   >From "Additional Material Pertaining to the Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County" by Robert H. Bowerman, New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, October 1993, pages 222 - 224,   Provides a reference for the 8 Dec 1774 marriage of Daniel Outwater and Neeltje Harris at Hopewell:  REC 78:162 In 1847, Neeltje made a Revolutionary War pension application (W15933, National Archives Microfilm M804, roll 1853) based on the service of Lt. Daniel Outwater.  She presented a family record listing the birthdates for 11 children:  Petrus, Anna, Daniel, Gitty, Beljatte and Barent VanCleek shown below, plus a daughter Elizabeth b. 23 Sep 1781 (between Daniel and Gitty),  Joseph b. 15 Dec 1789, Catherine 14 Feb 1793, J___ (a son, died young) b. 1796, and Sarah b. 30 Nov 1798   Daniel & Neeltje Outwater left Dutchess County and appear in the Adolphustown Census (Ontaria, Canada) in 1803.      Daniel Outwater, the grandson, died October 14, 1827; his widow, Neeltje Harris Outwater travelled in 1847 (at the age of 91) to Oswego, New York to make her pension application and returned to Canada to collect her $80 per year pension until her death in 1851.  Neeltje Harris Outwater died at Hay Bay, Fredericksburgh Twp., 31 Dec, 1851, aged 95.  Her obituary was abstracted in The Dutchess 16:64.   Neeltje Harris was the daughter of Joseph4 (William 3, Thomas2, William1) Harris.   >From "The Supposed Children of Thomas Harris of Dutchess County" by Dr. Gale Ion Harris, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, January 2002.   Joseph Harris (Neeltje's father) bap. 15 Oct. 1727 at Kingston, sp Evert Bogardus and Elizabeth Naks, son of William2 Harris and Catherine (Naks/Noxen) Harris: m. (1) Poughkeepsie Dutch Church, 2 Jan. 1747, Annetje Viele (REC 73:229) and (2) 13 Mar. 1780, Tunta Knox (Viele Records, 1913 p. 111 & 126).   >From "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, July 1953 [but superceded in many instances by additional information, and corrected in the articles listed above]    All of Joseph Harris' children were by his first wife Annetje Viele, who was a daughter of Myndert & Neeltje (Van Kleek) Viele.    It would seem that Annetje Viele Harris must have died sometime between between the baptism of her granddaughter (#470 below) in 1777 and Joseph's remarriage in 1780.     Jan --- On Sun, 5/30/10, Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> wrote: From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Pieter Outwater and Belitie Demarest To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 2:30 PM Hi Ethel and Pat, I can add a bit. Here is the will abstract of Peter Outwater: Abstracts of Wills, Vol XII, 1782-1784    p 227-228 Liber 36: Page 362.--In the name of God, Amen. The first day of September, 1775. I, PETER OUTWATER, farmer, of Rumbouts precinct, Dutchess County, being of sound mind and memory. I leave to my loving wife Balitje, the use of the farm on which I now dwell, with its buildings, etc.; Also, that of another farm on the north side of Johannes Schurrigh's farm; Also, such of my stock, negroes, household furniture, etc., not sold to pay my just debts; all while my widow. If she remarries, then (in lieu of her dower), one bed and her choice of furniture, of a negro wench, and furniture (at my executors' discretion) for house-keeping; and her wearing apparel. Unto my grandson, Daniel Outwater, £5; the farm whereon I dwell, buildings, etc.; at the death or remarriage of my widow. Unto my granddaughter, Catharine Outwater, wife of Barndt Van Kleeck, of the same county, the use of my other farm adjoining Johannes Schurrigh, at my widow's death or remarriage. After said Catharine's decease, to go equally to the children of her body. My undisposed of lands to be sold, the proceeds of sale to pay my debts. Should there be a shortage, enough of my stock, negroes, and other moveables to be sold; any overplus to go equally to my two grandchildren. At my widow's death or remarriage all remaining moveables to be divided in like manner. I make my grandson, Daniel Outwater, Barndt Van Kleeck, my trusty friend, Samuel Dodge, of the same county, executors. Witnesses, Johannes Schurri; Clement Cornell, of said county, yeoman; Antony Helst. Codicil. The fifteenth day of May, 1777, I, PETER OUTWATER, being weak in body; my wife Balitje having died, her legacy is to go equally to the above grandchildren. Unto Peter, son of my grandson, Daniel Outwater, my grey mare. My wench Mary, and my negro boy Jim, to the one of my grandchildren she may choose; my other wench Susan, unto the other grandchild. Same witnesses. Proved, April 2, 1784. Records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Fishkill : Dutchess County, N.Y., 1731-1850. (1930)    p 8 Banns 1 Dec 1752; mrd 11 Jan 1753 Daniel Outwater of Hakkensak & Elizabeth Kniffen of Ry The grandson Daniel Outwater was baptized at Rhinebeck: Daniel  #685;  Birth Date:  29 Mar 1755;  Bapt. Date: 10 Aug 1755;  Parents: Daniel Outwater, Elizabeth Snikkens;  Sponsors: Pieter Outwater, Beeltje De Mores Source:    Baptismal Record of Reformed Church, Rhinebeck No birth record for Tryntje Outwater, but born circa 1753. Great grandchildren baptized at New Hackensack [all Arthur C. M. Kelly transcriptions]: Source:    Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Hackensack Tryntje Outwater mrd Barent Van Kleeck 19 Mar 1771 at Poughkeepsie [no source] Elizabeth  #265,  Birth Date: 1 May 1772  Bapt. Date: 7 Jun 1772;  Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudwater;  Sponsors: Pieter Oudwater and his wife Beletje and Antoinetta (twins) #331,  Birth Date: 12 May 1774  Bapt. Date: 5 Jun 1774 Parents: Barent van Kleek, Tryntje Oudewater; Sponsors: Daniel Oudewater, Helena Reynderse Maria  #421 Birth Date: 26 Dec 1776  Bapt. Date: 12 Jan 1777;  Parents: Barent van Kleek, Cathrina Oudwater;  Sponsors: Jacob Bekker, Antonetta van Kleek his wife Susanna, baptized 25 Sept 1779 [record not found] Jacoba  #683  Birth Date: 4 Apr 1783  Bapt. Date: 4 May 1783;  Parents: Barent van Cleek, Cathrina Oudwater Sarah  #917 Birth Date: 28 Mar 1787 Bapt. Date: 6 May 1787;  Parents: Barent van Cleeck, Cathrine Oudwater Daniel Outwater mrd Neeltje Harris 8 Dec 1774 at Hopewell [no source] Petrus  #373;  Birth Date: 27 Sep 1775;  Bapt. Date: 15 Oct 1775;  Parents: Daniel Oudewater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: Pieter Oudewater, Beletje his wife Anna  #470;  Birth Date: 14 Sep 1777;  Bapt. Date: 26 Oct 1777;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: Joseph Harris and his wife Daniel  #553;  Bapt. Date: 25 Dec 1779;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Gitty  #689;  Birth Date: 24 Dec 1783;  Bapt. Date: 1 Feb 1784;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris;  Sponsors: James Edmund, Getty his wife Beljatte  #814;  Birth Date: 6 Oct 1785;  Bapt. Date: 13 Jan 1786;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Neeltje Harris Barent van Cleek  #984;  Birth Date: 14 Nov 1786;  Bapt. Date: 17 Feb 1788;  Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Cathrine Harris Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ethel -- Here's what I have for this family group: Pieter Ouwater, son of Thomas Frans Outwater & Tryntie Bresteede, m. 28 Sep 1728 Schraalenburgh Ref Ch, Billetje DeMarest (Beeltje; Beletje), dau. of Daniel D. Demarest & Rebecca DeGroot/ Pieter Outwater was bp. abt/ 1698 NYC Ref Ch Beletje Demarest was bp. 21 Nov 1709 Hackensack Ref Ch In the m. record, they are "Pieter Houtwater, y.m., and Beeleetje Demarest, y.d., both born and living at Hackensack." ---children of Pieter Outwater & Billetje DeMarest: • Tomes Outwater (Thomas), b. 1730; bp. 24 Feb 1730 Tappan Ref Ch (wit: Tomas Outwater, Anatye —) • Daniel Ouwater, bp. 24 Oct 1731 Hackensack Ref Ch (wit: Daniel DeMarest and wife, Rebecka DeGroot); m. (prob) 11 Jan 1753 Fishkill Dutch Ref Ch, Elizabeth Kniffen • Andries Outwater, bp. 23 Feb 1735 Schraalenburgh Ref Ch (wit: Thomas Outwater. Susanna Demarest) • David Outwater, bp. 13 May 1739 Hackensack Ref Ch (wit: Pieter DeMarest and wife) ---Sources: Hackensack Baptisms; Schraalenburgh Marriages; "Oudewater- Outwater Lineage of Dr. Samuel Outwater" in NYG&B Record, Oct 1924, p. 349, 350; Schraalenburgh Baptisms; Tappan Baptisms; New York #2, 1740s-1880s Marriage Index online at genealogy.com If anyone can make any corrections or addition, I would love to have them Thanks. Pat [email protected] On May 30, 2010, at 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Who is Pieter Outwater who married Belitie Demarest and did they > have more > children? > > > Belitie Demarest, daughter of Daniel D Demarest and Rebecca > DeGroot, was > baptized 21 Nov 1709 Hackensack DRCh [Hack:97]. Belitie married > Pieter > Outwater 28 Sept 1728 [banns] in Schraalenburg DRCh. [Schraal:40] > and they had > three children. Daniel, bp 24 Oct 1731 [Hack:161]; > Andries, bp 23 Feb 1735 [Schraal:78]; and David, bp 13 May 1739 > [Hack:179]. > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Who is Pieter Outwater who married Belitie Demarest and did they have more children? Belitie Demarest, daughter of Daniel D Demarest and Rebecca DeGroot, was baptized 21 Nov 1709 Hackensack DRCh [Hack:97]. Belitie married Pieter Outwater 28 Sept 1728 [banns] in Schraalenburg DRCh. [Schraal:40] and they had three children. Daniel, bp 24 Oct 1731 [Hack:161]; Andries, bp 23 Feb 1735 [Schraal:78]; and David, bp 13 May 1739 [Hack:179]. Regards, Ethel Kay Konight

Would this be your Julia? Julia Ingersoll Mizner, b. 30 May 1856 Detroit, MI; d. 25 May 1937 Detroit, MI. Parents: Henry Rutgers Mizner (1827-1915) & Eliza Whiting HOWARD. Sp: Richard Henry POILLON, m. 23 Dec 1874 Detroit, MI, divorced. He was b. 2 Nov 1846 New York City, NY; d. 1 Aug 1925 New York City, NY, s/o Richard POILLON & Anna VALENTINE. 1870 res with mother at Detroit, MI; 1900 res with parents at Detroit, Wayne Co, MI; 1910 res with widowed father at Detroit, MI, age 53, m. once 34y, 3 ch b, 3 ch living. Ch: (1) Richard Henry POILLON Jr., b. 4 Oct 1875 NY, m. Carolina DAUBON Y SCHOMBURG, b. c1882 Puerto Rico, ch: (a) Julita POILLON, b. 3 Jan 1902 Puerto Rico, m. John Thomas LYNCH (2 ch); (2) Mary Howard POILLON, b. 8 Dec 1876 Brooklyn, NY; d. 26 Mar 1969 Bexar Co, TX, m. 28 Jun 1905 Detroit, MI, to Samuel Charles GURNEY, b. 2 May 1869 Gravesend, Kent Co, England; d. 21 May 1953 Bexar Co, TX, s/o Charles Montegue GURNEY & Ann Elizabeth CAPON, ch: (a) Winifred GURNEY, b. 18 Jul 1906 Detroit, MI; d. 25 Dec 1975 Bexar Co, TX, m. 19 Jul 1924 Salt Lake City, UT, to Hugh French Thomason HOFFMAN (2 ch living); (b) Annette GURNEY, b. 10 Jun 1908 Manilla, Philippines; d. 29 Mar 1989 Gainesville, FL, m. 21 Feb 1934 Fort Worth, TX, to Douglass Rufus WOOD, b. 1910 (2 ch living); (c) Samuel Charles GURNEY Jr., b. 14 Aug 1910 Manila, Philippines; d. 14 Apr 2006, m. 1) Sally JONES (1 ch); 2) Marian HAGEN (2 ch); (3) Julia POILLON, b. c1880 NY, m. George BYERLY, b. c1880 MI, ch: (a) Margaret BYERLY, b. c1902 MI, m. Robert LAPSLEY (1 ch); (b) George Edgar BYERLY, b. 18 Feb 1905 MI; d. Dec 1968 (SSDI), m. Julie ________; (c) Julia BYERLY, b. c1907 MI, m. George BURGESS (3 ch). Source:  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~grannyapple/MISNER/MISNER%20Data%20J.html    near bottom of the page. I also found this: http://books.google.com/books?id=W7LhAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA120&dq=Poillon+julia+ingersoll&hl=en&ei=-_H9S7PDKY24Nv7hvN8N&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Poillon%20julia%20ingersoll&f=false Since the Sociol Security system only first started up in 1935, there wouldn't be much funds, if any, for Julia to collect from. That may be why her name is not on their list. She probably never was in their system. Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:38:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Death Date of Julia Ingersoll POILLON (1857-1937) Julia Ingersoll. Poillon was a life long resident of Detroit,  Michigan.   She most likely died in Detroit, but there is no record in the  SSDI.   I would like to acquire the date.   Hugh   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia Ingersoll. Poillon was a life long resident of Detroit, Michigan. She most likely died in Detroit, but there is no record in the SSDI. I would like to acquire the date. Hugh

Hi Lorine, I hope that you corrected most of the errors that I found in the 1996 version of your Van Slyke history. I have cross referenced each person in the book on my website. The only problem is that I have not updated the information to my website. I will be purchasing a copy of the book in about a month. Richard

Dear Lorine, Congratulations on your new book. It must make you feel good. Regards Cor Snabel

Hello everyone I'm very excited to announce that I have completed another genealogy-history book: The Van Slyke Family in America: A Genealogy of Cornelise Antonissen Van Slyke, 1604-1676 and his Mohawk Wife Ots-Toch , including the story of Jacques Hertel, 1603-1651, Father of Ots-Toch and Interpreter to Samuel de Champlain REVISED EDITION Ever since the publication of my first Van Slyke Family in America book in 1996, I have been continuing my research on this family. A few years ago I found a court record in New Netherland where Cornelis Van Slyke wrote about the death of a man in Breuckelen Netherlands. Cornelis referred to the deceased man as his brother and asked if he was in the will. This exciting discovery spurred me to hire a Dutch researcher to search the Breuckelen and Nijenrode archives for more details. His findings are presented in this Revised Edition. The Van Slyke Family in America, Revised Edition, discusses Cornelise Antonissen Van Slyke born in Brueckelen, Netherlands in 1604 and his Mohawk-French wife Ots-Toch born ca 1620 at Canajoharie, New York. Cornelis came to the New World in May of 1634, settling at Beverwyck and then Schenectady, New York. Cornelis was known by several names, making research on him somewhat complicated, but not impossible. Cornelis Van Slyke's story is of a Dutchman who came to the New World as a carpenter at the age of 30, who became an interpreter for the Mohawk nation, was adopted into the tribe, and who met and married a French-Mohawk woman (Ots-Toch)who never left her native village. Their children, all raised at Canajoharie, one of the Mohawk castles or villages, became well-known and respected in the Dutch community. All except one left the village and married Dutch settlers. In the Revised Edition, new findings on the Van Slyke family in Breuckelen are revealed. New facts are added to the descendant genealogies and a few errors from the first book are corrected. More sources have been added and there is more detail about individuals included. There are 1,342 footnoted sources for the facts contained in this 287 page book. http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/store/order-books.shtml will take those interested directly to an order form Lorine -- Follow my genealogy updates on Twitter http://twitter.com/LorineMS Olive Tree Genealogy http://olivetreegenealogy.com

I don't believe Mr. Sisser does email or has an email address. Contact The Somerset County Historical Society and they can direct you. judy May 17, 2010 12:40:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Does anyone have an e-mail address for Fred Sisser III? I have a difficult NJ Dutch issue on which I'd like to consult with him. I don't think he participates in this group, but I'm sure his work is well known to many of this list's members. Many thanks, Dave Morehouse Hopkins, MN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Douglas, I sincerely doubt that anyone could correct any of the so-called errors, for they were made by the New England men who were "companions in distress, at Quebec, of a number of the Saratoga captives," according to John Henry Brandow in "The story of old Saratoga" (1919). _No dates are given for their journal entries_. And that includes Gail Richard Quackenbush (1989) and/or Paul W. Prindle in The Van Derwerken - Van Derwerker Family. Johnstown (NY): Author published, (1966). I would simply not consider the information recorded in the journals to be 100% reliable. Did the New England men just happen to have pen, ink and paper in the prison, or did they record the information later, after their release? There are far too many discrepancies that cannot be explained. > Pam, > Thank you for looking up the baptisms for the children for Jacob Quackenbush and > his wife Geertruy. I am still confused because "The Story of Old Saratoga" > reported them as having three children, Isaac, Rachel and Martha. "Rachel was said > to be 16 by one journalist and 18 by another" so this was probably not the Rachel > baptized by Isaac Quackenbos on 13 April 1740. Since there is no baptism for > Martha, it's possible that the daughter could have been Maria who was baptized on > 2 Oct. 1731. The article said that Martha died at age 12. It's possible that the > book written by Gail Richard Quackenbush in 1989 could have corrected these > errors. My local library said there are 22 libraries that have this book but none > that will lend it. I know the Mormon Library will not send books to their > churches. I will see if their research department will look this up for me. > I think I have hit a dead end. > Thanks, Maria is not Martha. A lot would depend on what Jacob Quackenbush called his daughter, and whether or not the New England men understood this. Martha was Machtelt. "Gratus" was Gerardus, and John Henry Brandow reported [from the journals): "Gratus" Vander Vericke died of the fever in prison on 1 Dec 1746, at age 30 Gerardus was baptized at Albany on 4 March 1711, so he would have been age 35 in 1746 (not 30). Rachel was not baptized by Isaac [sic] Quackenbush. The minister performed the baptism, and the father's name should have been Jacob. The witness at that baptism was Gerrit Van Vranken, the son of Geertruy Quackenbush and nephew of Jacob Quackenbush, who was living in Schenectady at the time (he married Maria Fort 7 July 1738 at Schenectady). The son Isaac is the only one whose age happens to come close to what it should have been: he was baptized 21 April 1728 at Albany, and said to be age 20 when he died 26 April 1747 (but actually he was age 19). Nothing is said of Gerrit Roelofs (Van der Werken) who was said to be age 75 at the time; he had walked from Saratoga to Quebec; but managed to survive the ordeal (at the prison as well) because he was apparently buried in the Albany churchyard on 2 Jun 1756. Yes, Rachel was said to be age 16 in one journal, and age 18 in another, but do we know the date those entries were recorded by the New England men? The answer is NO. Rachel was separated from the family, and compelled to go live with the Indians. Then one day, she just happened to find a canoe and paddled across the river and walked to Quebec where she was taken in by a French gentleman who treated her kindly. It was in his care that she converted to Catholicism, but we don't know when she visited her (grieving) mother in the prison, for no date is given. It could have been in 1756 for all we know. Then someone attempted to ransom her away from the Frenchman, but the offer was refused. Mr. Brandow seemed to think that Rachel's mother was a shrew [my word, not his], so Rachel decided to stay with the Frenchman. > Pam, > I did find this reference in "Capt. Wm. Pote's Journal" > May ye 26 Died Jacob Qiiacinbush and his Son > Isaac, ^ aged about 20 Years of age a Likely Young > man who has been Sick But a few Days, ye wife of > Said Jacob Quacinbush is Now Sick at ye hospital, > and has Lost Since In this place, her husband and > Son aforsd and a Dughter^ aged about 12 Years > and her Brother aged about 30, and has now a > Daughter^ of about 18 years of age with ye Indians, > and her father and mother with us at this time In > Prison aged about 75 Years Each > Quackinbush, Martha, captured > at Saratoga, dies in captivity > at Qiiebec, 106, 106, n, 165. > > Quackinbush, Rachel, daughter > of Jacob Quackinbush, 135; > visits parents in prison at Que- > bec, iiT,, n4; remains in Can- > ada, n3, n; escapes from In- > dians, 145, 146; visits her > mother in prison, 146, 149; > her redemption sought, 149. > Doug > > Again, I see no dates that the above information was entered into the journals, nor does it mention the name of the informant. I don't see how anyone could sort out the details to anyone's satisfaction. All I'm trying to do is report the baptismal records as published. Regards, Pam Sears

Pam, I did find this reference in "Capt. Wm. Pote's Journal" May ye 26 Died Jacob Qiiacinbush and his Son Isaac, ^ aged about 20 Years of age a Likely Young man who has been Sick But a few Days, ye wife of Said Jacob Quacinbush is Now Sick at ye hospital, and has Lost Since In this place, her husband and Son aforsd and a Dughter^ aged about 12 Years and her Brother aged about 30, and has now a Daughter^ of about 18 years of age with ye Indians, and her father and mother with us at this time In Prison aged about 75 Years Each Quackinbush, Martha, captured at Saratoga, dies in captivity at Qiiebec, 106, 106, n, 165. Quackinbush, Rachel, daughter of Jacob Quackinbush, 135; visits parents in prison at Que- bec, iiT,, n4; remains in Can- ada, n3, n; escapes from In- dians, 145, 146; visits her mother in prison, 146, 149; her redemption sought, 149. Doug -----Original Message----- From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Rachel Quackenbush Hi Douglas, > I have been trying to locate the birth dates for Rachel, Martha and Isaac Quackenbush, the children of Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy van der Werken. According to "The Story of Old Saratoga" Jacob, his wife and three children were captured and sent to the prison in Quebec between Dec. 11, 1745 and Feb. 22, 1746. Gratus Van der Werken, the brother of Geertruy and both of her parents were also captured. Jacob, Isaac and Martha all died in prison and Rachel who was separated from her parents lived with the Indians and survived. The 1909 edition of "The Quackenbush Family in Holland and America" states that Rachel, the daughter of Pieter Quackenbosch and his wife Neeltie Marinus who was baptized on Jan. 22, 1716 was the Rachel who was captured by the Indians. This could not be correct because the Rachel who was captured was between the ages of 12-14. I have not been able to locate the 1989 edition of the book written by Gail Richard Quackenbus. Douglas C. Buckelew Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken were married at Albany: 1719; Sept. 20. With B. Jacob Quakkenbosch and Geertruy Van der Werken. Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken had issue (all baptized at lbany [HSYBs 1905 & 1906], unless otherwise noted): 14 May 1721; Abraham, of Jacob and Geertruy Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Isack uakkenbosch, Anna Wyngaard. 15 Mar 1724; Gerrit, of Jac. and Geert. Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Gerr. and ar. V. D. Werken. ***21 Apr 1728;. Isaac, of Jac. Quakkenbos and Geert. Quakkbos. Wit.: ac. and Jann. Pearson. 2 Oct 1731; Maria, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbosch. Wit.: D. and hrist. V. Dyk. 13 Apr 1735; Jacob, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbos. Wit.: Abr. uackenbos, Geertr. d. Fou. ***28 May 1737; Machtel, of J. and G. Quackenbos. Wit.: G. V. D. Werke, . V. Franken. [Machtel is Martha] Rachel was baptized at Schenectady [Note: the father's name, Isaac, is n error for Jacob] ***Rachel #1321; Bapt. Date: 13 Apr 1740; Father: Isaac Quackenbos; other: Geertruy Quackenbos; Sponsors: Gerrit van Franker, Magrit uackenbos ource: Baptism Records of Schenectady Reformed Church [1694-1811] egards, am Sears ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Pam, Thank you for looking up the baptisms for the children for Jacob Quackenbush and his wife Geertruy. I am still confused because "The Story of Old Saratoga" reported them as having three children, Isaac, Rachel and Martha. "Rachel was said to be 16 by one journalist and 18 by another" so this was probably not the Rachel baptized by Isaac Quackenbos on 13 April 1740. Since there is no baptism for Martha, it's possible that the daughter could have been Maria who was baptized on 2 Oct. 1731. The article said that Martha died at age 12. It's possible that the book written by Gail Richard Quackenbush in 1989 could have corrected these errors. My local library said there are 22 libraries that have this book but none that will lend it. I know the Mormon Library will not send books to their churches. I will see if their research department will look this up for me. I think I have hit a dead end. Thanks, Doug Hi Douglas, > I have been trying to locate the birth dates for Rachel, Martha and Isaac Quackenbush, the children of Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy van der Werken. According to "The Story of Old Saratoga" Jacob, his wife and three children were captured and sent to the prison in Quebec between Dec. 11, 1745 and Feb. 22, 1746. Gratus Van der Werken, the brother of Geertruy and both of her parents were also captured. Jacob, Isaac and Martha all died in prison and Rachel who was separated from her parents lived with the Indians and survived. The 1909 edition of "The Quackenbush Family in Holland and America" states that Rachel, the daughter of Pieter Quackenbosch and his wife Neeltie Marinus who was baptized on Jan. 22, 1716 was the Rachel who was captured by the Indians. This could not be correct because the Rachel who was captured was between the ages of 12-14. I have not been able to locate the 1989 edition of the book written by Gail Richard Quackenbus. Douglas C. Buckelew Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken were married at Albany: 1719; Sept. 20. With B. Jacob Quakkenbosch and Geertruy Van der Werken. Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken had issue (all baptized at lbany [HSYBs 1905 & 1906], unless otherwise noted): 14 May 1721; Abraham, of Jacob and Geertruy Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Isack uakkenbosch, Anna Wyngaard. 15 Mar 1724; Gerrit, of Jac. and Geert. Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Gerr. and ar. V. D. Werken. ***21 Apr 1728;. Isaac, of Jac. Quakkenbos and Geert. Quakkbos. Wit.: ac. and Jann. Pearson. 2 Oct 1731; Maria, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbosch. Wit.: D. and hrist. V. Dyk. 13 Apr 1735; Jacob, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbos. Wit.: Abr. uackenbos, Geertr. d. Fou. ***28 May 1737; Machtel, of J. and G. Quackenbos. Wit.: G. V. D. Werke, . V. Franken. [Machtel is Martha] Rachel was baptized at Schenectady [Note: the father's name, Isaac, is n error for Jacob] ***Rachel #1321; Bapt. Date: 13 Apr 1740; Father: Isaac Quackenbos; other: Geertruy Quackenbos; Sponsors: Gerrit van Franker, Magrit uackenbos ource: Baptism Records of Schenectady Reformed Church [1694-1811] egards, am Sears -----Original Message----- From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Rachel Quackenbush Hi Douglas, > I have been trying to locate the birth dates for Rachel, Martha and Isaac Quackenbush, the children of Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy van der Werken. According to "The Story of Old Saratoga" Jacob, his wife and three children were captured and sent to the prison in Quebec between Dec. 11, 1745 and Feb. 22, 1746. Gratus Van der Werken, the brother of Geertruy and both of her parents were also captured. Jacob, Isaac and Martha all died in prison and Rachel who was separated from her parents lived with the Indians and survived. The 1909 edition of "The Quackenbush Family in Holland and America" states that Rachel, the daughter of Pieter Quackenbosch and his wife Neeltie Marinus who was baptized on Jan. 22, 1716 was the Rachel who was captured by the Indians. This could not be correct because the Rachel who was captured was between the ages of 12-14. I have not been able to locate the 1989 edition of the book written by Gail Richard Quackenbus. Douglas C. Buckelew Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken were married at Albany: 1719; Sept. 20. With B. Jacob Quakkenbosch and Geertruy Van der Werken. Jacob Quackenbush and Geertruy Van der Werken had issue (all baptized at lbany [HSYBs 1905 & 1906], unless otherwise noted): 14 May 1721; Abraham, of Jacob and Geertruy Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Isack uakkenbosch, Anna Wyngaard. 15 Mar 1724; Gerrit, of Jac. and Geert. Quakkenbosch. Wit.: Gerr. and ar. V. D. Werken. ***21 Apr 1728;. Isaac, of Jac. Quakkenbos and Geert. Quakkbos. Wit.: ac. and Jann. Pearson. 2 Oct 1731; Maria, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbosch. Wit.: D. and hrist. V. Dyk. 13 Apr 1735; Jacob, of Jac. and Geertr. Quackenbos. Wit.: Abr. uackenbos, Geertr. d. Fou. ***28 May 1737; Machtel, of J. and G. Quackenbos. Wit.: G. V. D. Werke, . V. Franken. [Machtel is Martha] Rachel was baptized at Schenectady [Note: the father's name, Isaac, is n error for Jacob] ***Rachel #1321; Bapt. Date: 13 Apr 1740; Father: Isaac Quackenbos; other: Geertruy Quackenbos; Sponsors: Gerrit van Franker, Magrit uackenbos ource: Baptism Records of Schenectady Reformed Church [1694-1811] egards, am Sears ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Does anyone have an e-mail address for Fred Sisser III? I have a difficult NJ Dutch issue on which I'd like to consult with him. I don't think he participates in this group, but I'm sure his work is well known to many of this list's members. Many thanks, Dave Morehouse Hopkins, MN

Dave, As far as I know, Fred Sisser has never had an email address. You might try phoning him. Dorothy > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Fred Sisser III? > >I have a difficult NJ Dutch issue on which I'd like to consult with >him. I don't think he participates in this group, but I'm sure his >work is well known to many of this list's members. > >Many thanks, > >Dave Morehouse >Hopkins, MN > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you most likely have an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific article, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a black African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian for generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this article which comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While Monzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely could be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into the future, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be more tracings not just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between. If you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing service and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, hopefully. Judy A FAMILY SECRET In search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' By Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. Curious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to the 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past Photos: Wide-ranging roots Interactive: Mozingos in America Part 2: An old diary throws him a curve He could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A slave? Part 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans He wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact that their common forefather was black.