Lorine: What a wonderful contribution to the genealogical world you have made! Suzanne

CONGRATS Lorine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Olive Tree Genealogy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 5:34 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] New book on Van Slyke Family Hello everyone I'm very excited to announce that I have completed another enealogy-history book: The Van Slyke Family in America: A Genealogy of Cornelise Antonissen an Slyke, 1604-1676 and his Mohawk Wife Ots-Toch , including the tory of Jacques Hertel, 1603-1651, Father of Ots-Toch and Interpreter o Samuel de Champlain REVISED EDITION Ever since the publication of my first Van Slyke Family in America ook in 1996, I have been continuing my research on this family. A few ears ago I found a court record in New Netherland where Cornelis Van lyke wrote about the death of a man in Breuckelen Netherlands. ornelis referred to the deceased man as his brother and asked if he as in the will. This exciting discovery spurred me to hire a Dutch esearcher to search the Breuckelen and Nijenrode archives for more etails. His findings are presented in this Revised Edition. The Van Slyke Family in America, Revised Edition, discusses Cornelise ntonissen Van Slyke born in Brueckelen, Netherlands in 1604 and his ohawk-French wife Ots-Toch born ca 1620 at Canajoharie, New York. ornelis came to the New World in May of 1634, settling at Beverwyck nd then Schenectady, New York. Cornelis was known by several names, aking research on him somewhat complicated, but not impossible. Cornelis Van Slyke's story is of a Dutchman who came to the New World s a carpenter at the age of 30, who became an interpreter for the ohawk nation, was adopted into the tribe, and who met and married a rench-Mohawk woman (Ots-Toch)who never left her native village. Their hildren, all raised at Canajoharie, one of the Mohawk castles or illages, became well-known and respected in the Dutch community. All xcept one left the village and married Dutch settlers. In the Revised Edition, new findings on the Van Slyke amily in Breuckelen are revealed. New facts are added to he descendant genealogies and a few errors from the first ook are corrected. More sources have been added and there s more detail about individuals included. There are 1,342 ootnoted sources for the facts contained in this 287 page ook. http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/store/order-books.shtml ill take those interested directly to an order form Lorine - ollow my genealogy updates on Twitter ttp://twitter.com/LorineMS Olive Tree Genealogy ttp://olivetreegenealogy.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I am looking for the article by Mable Spell titled "The Story of Rachel Banta, Our Ancestor". I descend out of Rachel and her husband Simon Van Arsdale. I have heard about this article in the past but have never seen it. Doe someone on this list have a copy of it? If not where can I find it? If someone has a copy would they be willing to get it copied and snail mail it to me. I am happy to pay the costs for doing this. I will send them my address when they contact me about the article. Thank you! Glee Van Osdol-Krapf

The article was prepared by Franklyn Frick from Mrs. Spell's notes and I thought I had a copy but unfortunately if so, I can't find it. I will keep looking but meanwhile perhaps someone else does. Judy Jun 11, 2010 02:34:43 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== I am looking for the article by Mable Spell titled "The Story of Rachel Banta, Our Ancestor". I descend out of Rachel and her husband Simon Van Arsdale. I have heard about this article in the past but have never seen it. Doe someone on this list have a copy of it? If not where can I find it? If someone has a copy would they be willing to get it copied and snail mail it to me. I am happy to pay the costs for doing this. I will send them my address when they contact me about the article. Thank you! Glee Van Osdol-Krapf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, Thank you for your prompt reply. I appreciate all of your input. In my excitement over all of your information I replied off the cuff regarding the 1920 census. A few years ago I printed out, from Ancestry.com, the easy to read version of the 1920 census with Martin's last name transcribed as Thritnor but I now recall when I checked the original it was correctly written as Whritenor. I rechecked my records this morning as well. Point well taken, I will be more careful in my postings--don't want to mislead anyone. Thank you. Regards, Christy -----Original Message----- From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] regarding the Van Voorhees Family in America Hi Christy, You wrote: > I assume Gitty and Edward are buried in the Preakness Reformed Church burial grounds per your information. I'm sorry, but you cannot make that assumption, and the book was silent n that. Edward Hedden died before 1850 but his date of death is not entioned in the book. Gitty died in 1914 (per your records), but I have o information on her burial location. By 1920, Joseph V. Ash and family ere living in Monclair Twp, but I don't know if Gitty died in Newark or ontclair. > One question- you mentioned Tichenor as a surname. I have lots of Whritenors, are they the same? I saw a Martin Tichenor on one of the census' and I know he actually was a cousin (a Whritenor) living with the other family members (Walter Ash, son of Joseph, and Mary Whritenor) since his parents died--therefore this was probably a typo. ichenor is indeed a surname; there were 40 Heads of Household in Essex ounty, NJ in the 1860 census, and 45 Heads of Household in the 1870 ensus. There were far less Whritenors in the area (mostly Passaic ounty). I would not say they were the same. 1920 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 2-WD; MONTCLAIR eries: T625 Roll: 1030 Page: 83 alter Ash, Head, age 52, Contractor, Electric ary S.[or L.] Ash, Wife, age 48 delaide V. Ash, Dau, age 20 arian S. [or L.] Ash, Dau, age 15 artin F. Whritenor, Nephew, age 23; Electric Contractor If the above is what you are referring to, I read the surname as hritenor, NOT Tichenor. egards, am Sears ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Christy, You wrote: > > I assume Gitty and Edward are buried in the Preakness Reformed Church > burial grounds per your information. I'm sorry, but you cannot make that assumption, and the book was silent on that. Edward Hedden died before 1850 but his date of death is not mentioned in the book. Gitty died in 1914 (per your records), but I have no information on her burial location. By 1920, Joseph V. Ash and family were living in Monclair Twp, but I don't know if Gitty died in Newark or Montclair. > One question- you mentioned Tichenor as a surname. I have lots of > Whritenors, are they the same? I saw a Martin Tichenor on one of the > census' and I know he actually was a cousin (a Whritenor) living with > the other family members (Walter Ash, son of Joseph, and Mary > Whritenor) since his parents died--therefore this was probably a typo. Tichenor is indeed a surname; there were 40 Heads of Household in Essex County, NJ in the 1860 census, and 45 Heads of Household in the 1870 census. There were far less Whritenors in the area (mostly Passaic County). I would not say they were the same. 1920 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 2-WD; MONTCLAIR Series: T625 Roll: 1030 Page: 83 Walter Ash, Head, age 52, Contractor, Electric Mary S.[or L.] Ash, Wife, age 48 Adelaide V. Ash, Dau, age 20 Marian S. [or L.] Ash, Dau, age 15 Martin F. Whritenor, Nephew, age 23; Electric Contractor If the above is what you are referring to, I read the surname as Whritenor, NOT Tichenor. Regards, Pam Sears

Pam, This is unbelievable information--I am thrilled! That particular line has now been connected all the way up--amazing. Thank you so much! I assume Gitty and Edward are buried in the Preakness Reformed Church burial grounds per your information. Joseph Vail Ash and Mary Hedden's son Walter Ash was married to Mary Whritenor, (all buried in the Clinton Cemetery NJ). One question- you mentioned Tichenor as a surname. I have lots of Whritenors, are they the same? I saw a Martin Tichenor on one of the census' and I know he actually was a cousin (a Whritenor) living with the other family members (Walter Ash, son of Joseph, and Mary Whritenor) since his parents died--therefore this was probably a typo. Thank you so much, Christy PS now I have to connect the Blauvelt that married a Voorhees. So much to do and so little time. So my grandparents are related over and over--definitely interesting. -----Original Message----- From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] regarding the Van Voorhees Family in America Dear Christy, > I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I found the following: 6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. ccording to George Warne Labaw in his: "Preakness and the Preakness Reformed Church, Passaic County, New Jersey a history 1695-1902 : with genealogical notes, the records of the hurch and tombstone inscriptions" New York: Board of Publication of the eformed Church in America, 1902, age 83 Gitty/Gertrude [aka Charity] Voorhees, the daughter of Albert P. oorhees (1794-1819) and his wife Christina Berdan of Preakness, married dward Hedden. Gitty's sister Mary married David Hedden, the brother of dward. Gitty/Gertrude Voorhees was the granddaughter of Peter .Voorhees (1773-1860) and his 1st wife Gertrude Berdan. The 1900 census also tells us that Gertrude/Gitty Voorhees and Edward edden had only one child who survived infancy, and that was Mary edden, who married Joseph Vail Ash. 1900 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 9-WD NEWARK eries: T623 Roll: 964 Page: 55 oseph V. Ash, Head, age 59, b Dec 1840; mrd 38 yrs; Machinist ary E. Ash, Wife, age 58, b Apr 1842; 9 children, 7 living da E. Ash, Dau, age 25, b Dec 1874 ertrude M. Ash, Dau, age 15, b May 1885 ertrudy Hedden, Mother-in-Law, age 82, b Dec 1817; Widowed; 2 children, living Edward {Edwin] Hedden was born 9 Jan 1807 in Newark [no source] and died efore the 1850 census [some say as early as 1834, but I think that must ave been closer to 1844]. He was probably the son of Cyrus Hedden and uldah Tichenor, and his brother David was born 25 March 1814 and arried Mary Voorhees 4 July 1844. Charity Hedden and her daughter Mary appeared in the 1860 census thusly: 9 July 1860 860 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 5-WD NEWARK eries: M653 Roll: 688 Page: 601 harity Hedden, age 46, Tailoress ary Hedden, age 18, Shirt maker Mary Hedden married Joseph V. Ash in 1862. 22 Jun 1870 870 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 10-WD NEWARK eries: M593 Roll: 881 Page: 364 oseph Ash, age 29, Policeman ary Ash, age 27, K.H. lizabeth Ash, age 7 eorge Ash, age 4 alter Ash, age 2 mma Ash, age 1 month [Apr] harity Hedden, age 54, Tailoress 1 June 1880 880 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > NEWARK eries: T9 Roll: 778 Page: 242 partially blacked out] oseph E. Ash, age 34, Bit maker, b NJ/PA/NJ ary Ash, age 38, K.H.; b NJ/NJ/NJ lizabeth S. Ash, Dau, age 17, K.H. eorgia E. Ash, Dau, age 14, Button maker alter V. Ash, Son, age 12, at school oseph H. Ash, Son, age 7, at school mma F. Ash, Dau, age 10, at school da S. Ash, Dau, age 5 dward D. Ash, Son, age 4 months [Feb] harity Hedden, Mother-in-Law, age 64 You asked about the church they may have attended, and I found the ollowing list of Houses of Worship in Newark; there appear to be 3 utch Reformed churches, but I'd have no way of knowing if the Ash amily were members of any of them. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njessex/towns/newark/how.htm Hope this helps get you started in the right direction. egards, am Sears ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear Christy, > I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I > found the following: > > 6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. According to George Warne Labaw in his: "Preakness and the Preakness Reformed Church, Passaic County, New Jersey : a history 1695-1902 : with genealogical notes, the records of the church and tombstone inscriptions" New York: Board of Publication of the Reformed Church in America, 1902, page 83 Gitty/Gertrude [aka Charity] Voorhees, the daughter of Albert P. Voorhees (1794-1819) and his wife Christina Berdan of Preakness, married Edward Hedden. Gitty's sister Mary married David Hedden, the brother of Edward. Gitty/Gertrude Voorhees was the granddaughter of Peter A.Voorhees (1773-1860) and his 1st wife Gertrude Berdan. The 1900 census also tells us that Gertrude/Gitty Voorhees and Edward Hedden had only one child who survived infancy, and that was Mary Hedden, who married Joseph Vail Ash. 1900 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 9-WD NEWARK Series: T623 Roll: 964 Page: 55 Joseph V. Ash, Head, age 59, b Dec 1840; mrd 38 yrs; Machinist Mary E. Ash, Wife, age 58, b Apr 1842; 9 children, 7 living Ida E. Ash, Dau, age 25, b Dec 1874 Gertrude M. Ash, Dau, age 15, b May 1885 Gertrudy Hedden, Mother-in-Law, age 82, b Dec 1817; Widowed; 2 children, 1 living Edward {Edwin] Hedden was born 9 Jan 1807 in Newark [no source] and died before the 1850 census [some say as early as 1834, but I think that must have been closer to 1844]. He was probably the son of Cyrus Hedden and Huldah Tichenor, and his brother David was born 25 March 1814 and married Mary Voorhees 4 July 1844. Charity Hedden and her daughter Mary appeared in the 1860 census thusly: 9 July 1860 1860 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 5-WD NEWARK Series: M653 Roll: 688 Page: 601 Charity Hedden, age 46, Tailoress Mary Hedden, age 18, Shirt maker Mary Hedden married Joseph V. Ash in 1862. 22 Jun 1870 1870 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > 10-WD NEWARK Series: M593 Roll: 881 Page: 364 Joseph Ash, age 29, Policeman Mary Ash, age 27, K.H. Elizabeth Ash, age 7 George Ash, age 4 Walter Ash, age 2 Emma Ash, age 1 month [Apr] Charity Hedden, age 54, Tailoress 1 June 1880 1880 > NEW JERSEY > ESSEX > NEWARK Series: T9 Roll: 778 Page: 242 [partially blacked out] Joseph E. Ash, age 34, Bit maker, b NJ/PA/NJ Mary Ash, age 38, K.H.; b NJ/NJ/NJ Elizabeth S. Ash, Dau, age 17, K.H. Georgia E. Ash, Dau, age 14, Button maker Walter V. Ash, Son, age 12, at school Joseph H. Ash, Son, age 7, at school Emma F. Ash, Dau, age 10, at school Ida S. Ash, Dau, age 5 Edward D. Ash, Son, age 4 months [Feb] Charity Hedden, Mother-in-Law, age 64 You asked about the church they may have attended, and I found the following list of Houses of Worship in Newark; there appear to be 3 Dutch Reformed churches, but I'd have no way of knowing if the Ash family were members of any of them. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~njessex/towns/newark/how.htm Hope this helps get you started in the right direction. Regards, Pam Sears

Thanks so much Dorothy, I must say I'm very disappointed. I guess that I must continue to look at census records, try to find church records... to make this connection. I just can't seem to find anything though. Also thank you since you just saved me a big trip tomorrow to the CT State library. Christy -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2010 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] regarding the Van Voorhees Family in America Dear Christy, I'm sorry to say that you are out of luck! The second ome of Volume I of "The Van Voorhees Family in America" does not ontain the family of Edw. Hedden and Gitty Voorhis. The individuals ho are listed in sequence are #6853 and next #6859. So you can see hat there is a glaring hiatus where Gitty's number would fall. Dorothy >Hi all, I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I found the following: 6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. The book ended in the 3000's. Has anyone a copy of the 7th and 8th generation (mentioning #6857) or 9th CD? I'm trying to find out who their children were. I think one may be Mary Hedden (1842-1914) married to Joseph Vail Ash (1840-1934). The census of 1900 Newark Ward 9, Essex, NJ shows a Gertrude Hedden living w Joseph V Ash (as his mother in law) and Mary E Ash. This is assuming Gitty is a nickname for Gertrude. Maybe short for Geertje, generation 6. She was known as Charity according to the book. Anyone know what church Gitty and Edward were part of? Thank you, Christy -----Original Message----- From: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:24 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo Thank you for spotting this article. I Googled: Monzingo LA Times May 17, 010 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others who re interested. an --- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: rom: [email protected] <[email protected]> ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo o: [email protected], [email protected] ate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM f you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you most likely ave an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific rticle, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a lack African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian or generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this article hich comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While onzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely ould be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into the uture, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be more tracings ot just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between. f you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing ervice and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, hopefully. Judy A FAMILY SECRET n search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' y Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. urious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to he 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past Photos: Wide-ranging roots Interactive: Mozingos in America art 2: An old diary throws him a curve e could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A lave? art 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans e wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact hat their common forefather was black. ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Dorothy, Did I send in a renewal for this year? I am too forgetful. Donna Stark, 12 Breckinridge Blvd., Frankfort, KY 40601 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy Koenig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] regarding the Van Voorhees Family in America > Dear Christy, I'm sorry to say that you are out of luck! The second > tome of Volume I of "The Van Voorhees Family in America" does not > contain the family of Edw. Hedden and Gitty Voorhis. The individuals > who are listed in sequence are #6853 and next #6859. So you can see > that there is a glaring hiatus where Gitty's number would fall. > > Dorothy > >>Hi all, >> >> I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I >>found the following: >> >>6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. >> >>The book ended in the 3000's. Has anyone a copy of the 7th and 8th >>generation (mentioning #6857) or 9th CD? I'm trying to find out who >>their children were. >> >>I think one may be Mary Hedden (1842-1914) married to Joseph Vail >>Ash (1840-1934). The census of 1900 Newark Ward 9, Essex, NJ shows >>a Gertrude Hedden living w Joseph V Ash (as his mother in law) and >>Mary E Ash. >> >>This is assuming Gitty is a nickname for Gertrude. Maybe short for >>Geertje, generation 6. She was known as Charity according to the >>book. >> >>Anyone know what church Gitty and Edward were part of? >> >>Thank you, >> >>Christy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:24 am >>Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo >> >> >>Thank you for spotting this article. I Googled: Monzingo LA Times May >>17, >>010 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others >>who >>re interested. >> >>an >>--- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> >>wrote: >> >>rom: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo >>o: [email protected], [email protected] >>ate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM >> >>f you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you >>most likely >>ave an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific >>rticle, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage >>to a >>lack African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were >>Italian >>or generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this >>article >>hich comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While >>onzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most >>likely >>ould be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into >>the >>uture, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be >>more tracings >>ot just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in >>between. >>f you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an >>emailing >>ervice and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, >>hopefully. Judy >> >>A FAMILY SECRET >>n search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' >>y Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. >>urious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage >>to >>he 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. >>Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past >>Photos: Wide-ranging roots >>Interactive: Mozingos in America >>art 2: An old diary throws him a curve >>e could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A >>lave? >>art 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans >>e wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the >>fact >>hat their common forefather was black. >>------------------------------- >>o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] >>ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of >>he message >> >>------------------------------ >>o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] >>ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of >>he message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Christy, I'm sorry to say that you are out of luck! The second tome of Volume I of "The Van Voorhees Family in America" does not contain the family of Edw. Hedden and Gitty Voorhis. The individuals who are listed in sequence are #6853 and next #6859. So you can see that there is a glaring hiatus where Gitty's number would fall. Dorothy >Hi all, > > I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I >found the following: > >6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. > >The book ended in the 3000's. Has anyone a copy of the 7th and 8th >generation (mentioning #6857) or 9th CD? I'm trying to find out who >their children were. > >I think one may be Mary Hedden (1842-1914) married to Joseph Vail >Ash (1840-1934). The census of 1900 Newark Ward 9, Essex, NJ shows >a Gertrude Hedden living w Joseph V Ash (as his mother in law) and >Mary E Ash. > >This is assuming Gitty is a nickname for Gertrude. Maybe short for >Geertje, generation 6. She was known as Charity according to the >book. > >Anyone know what church Gitty and Edward were part of? > >Thank you, > >Christy > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:24 am >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo > > >Thank you for spotting this article. I Googled: Monzingo LA Times May 17, >010 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others who >re interested. > >an >--- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > >rom: [email protected] <[email protected]> >ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo >o: [email protected], [email protected] >ate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM > >f you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you >most likely >ave an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific >rticle, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a >lack African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian >or generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this article >hich comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While >onzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely >ould be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into the >uture, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be >more tracings >ot just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between. >f you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing >ervice and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, >hopefully. Judy > >A FAMILY SECRET >n search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' >y Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. >urious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to >he 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. >Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past >Photos: Wide-ranging roots >Interactive: Mozingos in America >art 2: An old diary throws him a curve >e could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A >lave? >art 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans >e wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact >hat their common forefather was black. >------------------------------- >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > >------------------------------ >o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >he message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again, Also I am having trouble researching families in NJ. Any ideas for me? I've found it so much easier looking in NY state. Thanks, Christy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jun 8, 2010 1:13 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] regarding the Van Voorhees Family in America i all, I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I found the ollowing: 6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. The book ended in the 3000's. Has anyone a copy of the 7th and 8th generation mentioning #6857) or 9th CD? I'm trying to find out who their children were. I think one may be Mary Hedden (1842-1914) married to Joseph Vail Ash 1840-1934). The census of 1900 Newark Ward 9, Essex, NJ shows a Gertrude edden living w Joseph V Ash (as his mother in law) and Mary E Ash. This is assuming Gitty is a nickname for Gertrude. Maybe short for Geertje, eneration 6. She was known as Charity according to the book. Anyone know what church Gitty and Edward were part of? Thank you, Christy ----Original Message----- rom: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:24 am ubject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo hank you for spotting this article. I Googled: Monzingo LA Times May 17, 10 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others who e interested. an -- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: rom: [email protected] <[email protected]> bject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo : [email protected], [email protected] te: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM f you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you most likely ve an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific ticle, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a ack African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian r generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this article ich comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While nzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely uld be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into the ture, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be more tracings t just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between. you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing rvice and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, hopefully. Judy A FAMILY SECRET search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. rious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to e 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. udio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past hotos: Wide-ranging roots nteractive: Mozingos in America rt 2: An old diary throws him a curve could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A ave? rt 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact at their common forefather was black. ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi all, I was reading The Van Voorhees Family in America and on page 733 I found the following: 6857. ii. Gitty Voorhis; born circa 1817; married Edw. Hedden. The book ended in the 3000's. Has anyone a copy of the 7th and 8th generation (mentioning #6857) or 9th CD? I'm trying to find out who their children were. I think one may be Mary Hedden (1842-1914) married to Joseph Vail Ash (1840-1934). The census of 1900 Newark Ward 9, Essex, NJ shows a Gertrude Hedden living w Joseph V Ash (as his mother in law) and Mary E Ash. This is assuming Gitty is a nickname for Gertrude. Maybe short for Geertje, generation 6. She was known as Charity according to the book. Anyone know what church Gitty and Edward were part of? Thank you, Christy -----Original Message----- From: Janice Pranger <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 11:24 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo Thank you for spotting this article. I Googled: Monzingo LA Times May 17, 010 and got a link directly to full article, which might work for others who re interested. an --- On Mon, 5/17/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: rom: [email protected] <[email protected]> ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] In Search of the Meaning of Monzingo o: [email protected], [email protected] ate: Monday, May 17, 2010, 8:57 AM f you have a MAC and go into Safari, and then your News folder, you most likely ave an on line subscription to the LA Times. Today there is a terrific rticle, listed below. Joe Mozingo, a while journalist, traced his linage to a lack African in Virginia, quite a surprise as they thought they were Italian or generations or what ever. He did a superior job of writing this article hich comes in three parts, along with photographs and a slide show. While onzingo is not Dutch, it is however a story that well could be and most likely ould be Dutch as we know our Dutch ancestors did have slaves. Moving into the uture, I believe that we are going to discover that there will be more tracings ot just from black to white but also white to black and all mixes in between. f you don't have access to this paper, let me know and they have an emailing ervice and I can arrange to have the article emailed to you, hopefully. Judy A FAMILY SECRET n search of the meaning of 'Mozingo' y Joe Mozingo | 5:10 a.m. urious about his unusual name, a journalist and father traces his lineage to he 1600s -- and unearths a conflicted past. Audio slide show: Tracing a family name to a hidden past Photos: Wide-ranging roots Interactive: Mozingos in America art 2: An old diary throws him a curve e could grasp having a black ancestor way back in the 1600s. But 1800s? A lave? art 3: A Mozingo hears the tale of two clans e wonders how each family -- one black, one white -- would react to the fact hat their common forefather was black. ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I thought these distribution lists would be interested in an original patent of land at Marbletown that was sold at auction lately. It was the original patent from Governor Thomas Dongan to John Post dated 28 October 1686. I tried to purchase the document but the price went way above the estimated price and out of my price range. It eventually was sold for $800. I can only hope it went to a library and can be viewed or the information at least inspected and made available to the public. The auction catalog has a picture but it could not be zoomed so it was impossible to transcibe the information. The auction abstract and a link to the catalog are provided below. I checked in the Endorsed Land Papers, 1643 - 1803 and this patent is not mentioned in the book so this could be an interesting find. The patentee was called John Post and I assume this is Jan Jansen Post/Postma who married Jannetje Leseuer as I am not familiar with a John Post at Marbletown. I thought persons on these lists who are descendants of this person would find this interesting and might be able to contact the auction house and see if they can be put in touch with the purchaser. It looked like it was is excellent condition and had Dongan's signature and seal. Take care Chris *THOMAS DONGAN* (1634-1715) Second Earl of Limerick, member of the Irish Parliament, Royalist officer in the English Civil War, and Governor of New York from 1684 to 1688. Manuscript D.S. "*Thomas Dongan*" as Governor, 1p. large oblong folio, Oct. 28, 1686 a grant of land to "...*John Post A certain tract of land being Scituate and lying upon the south side of Esopus Kill or River ... within the limits of Marbletowne in the county of Ulster....*..." together with other parcels totaling hundreds of acres. Boldly signed by Dongan in the lower margin with an intact paper seal affixed. Some marginal wear and weak at folds (repaired with archival tape), light toning, else very good condition. *Estimate $ 200-300* http://auctions.alexautographs.com/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=41++++++++25+&refno=+++65949 -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

What lovely and very moving is this work of Howell's I thank you for sharing. My mother in law, daughter of Emma Conkwright, a lovely little woman, would have so enjoyed this bit of nostalgia. SKIP2MLOU > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 05:21:22 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kronkhyte-Cronk families of Orange Co., NY query > > I would like to add a little more information to my > original query. The John Kronkite family in Cornwall, Orange County, from about 1800 or before, up until about 1870, is a branch of the Kronkite family that William > Thompson Howell referred to several times in his writings. > > > > > > In his 1905 New York > Times article, describing his wanderings in the > Hudson Highlands, Howell says: > > > > “In this clove, now so wild, generations of > inhabitants have lived over a period much longer than a century. > Fifty years ago there were five houses and a flourishing brickyard. > Building > stones were being quarried from the granite on Storm King and may be > seen > to-day in New York City. > A quartz vein was being worked and its product shipped to glass works at > Kingston, > N. Y., and two > fairly productive iron mines were in operation for a time. Heavy > lumbering was > carried on, and one of the sights of passengers on the afternoon boats > was the > operation of a great log slide hundreds of feet down the side of Cro’ > Nest into > the Hudson. > > > “……..Back from the > river, on a > beautiful knoll, flanked by two mountain brooks, sleep many of the early > toilers in this secluded valley…………… > > > > “Nearly all the stones > bear the > quaint inscriptions familiar to frequenters of old-time graveyards, and > throw > interesting light on the life of the residents of the beyond. Among > these, the > leading spirits were the Cronks, who conducted the old brickyard.” > > > > We know definitely of three family members buried > in the old > cemetery on a knoll overlooking the Hudson. > According to her grave marker, Harriet Rogers, first wife of John Cronk, > died January 26, > 1829, aged 43 > years, 7 months and 8 days. She died the day her daughter, Harriet, was > born. > Her stone reads: > > > > “Twenty-four years of > her last days > were spent > > In serving > Christ the Lord; > > She lov'd the place > where Christians > went > > To hear God's holy > word. > > Look on, spectators, > now and > see > > Your sister laid in > dust; > > As she is now, so you > must be; > > God's Word declares > you must. > > She sleeps beneath the > silent clod, > > Her soul in heaven, > we > trust, > > Till Gabriel sounds the > trump of > God > > To wake the > slumbering dust.” > > > > Then, in 1834, little Lydia Jane, daughter of John > S. Cronk > and his second wife, Lydia Ireland, died on July 10, aged 3 years and 3 > months. > > > > “Dear Lydia Jane, thy > lovely charms > > Thy parents's souls > possess; > > Thou art calle'd away > to Jesus' > arms > > Forever there to > rest, > > Dear Lydia Jane, thy > sparkling eyes > > Just open'd to see > earth's toys, > > When Jesus calls thee > to the skies > > To reap eternal > joys. > > How short on earth thy > stay > has been > > Thy weeping parents > say. > > So all the pleasures we > have seen > > Are subject to > decay.” > > > > And Catherine, daughter of John S. and Harriet, > died December 21, > 1839, aged 19 > years, 4 months and 23 days. > > > > “This marble stone > placed at my > head, > > Shows where I sleep > among the dead. > > Not twenty years below > the sun > > Before my glass of life > had run. > > May God be praised that > in my youth > > I sought, I found, and > loved the > truth, > > That when my body sunk > in death > > I praised the Lord with > latest > breath. > > Now you who o'er my > ashes tread, > > Sigh and say poor > Catherine's dead. > > Know that she lives and > reigns > above, > > And shout for Joy > redeeming love.” > > > > Howell says, “A friend of the writer, > visiting this > cemetery one occasion, struck with the wild beauty of the spot, spoke on > the > poetic fitness of burial in so peaceful and secluded a sleeping place.” > > Although we have been able to discover quite a lot about the family, we have been unable to trace their exact ancestral line. Any information, clues, hints, suggestions, or even wild guesses will be sincerely appreciated! Thanks so much. > > Carol and Gary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to add a little more information to my original query. The John Kronkite family in Cornwall, Orange County, from about 1800 or before, up until about 1870, is a branch of the Kronkite family that William Thompson Howell referred to several times in his writings. In his 1905 New York Times article, describing his wanderings in the Hudson Highlands, Howell says:   “In this clove, now so wild, generations of inhabitants have lived over a period much longer than a century. Fifty years ago there were five houses and a flourishing brickyard. Building stones were being quarried from the granite on Storm King and may be seen to-day in New York City. A quartz vein was being worked and its product shipped to glass works at Kingston, N. Y., and two fairly productive iron mines were in operation for a time. Heavy lumbering was carried on, and one of the sights of passengers on the afternoon boats was the operation of a great log slide hundreds of feet down the side of Cro’ Nest into the Hudson.   “……..Back from the river, on a beautiful knoll, flanked by two mountain brooks, sleep many of the early toilers in this secluded valley……………   “Nearly all the stones bear the quaint inscriptions familiar to frequenters of old-time graveyards, and throw interesting light on the life of the residents of the beyond. Among these, the leading spirits were the Cronks, who conducted the old brickyard.”   We know definitely of three family members buried in the old cemetery on a knoll overlooking the Hudson. According to her grave marker, Harriet Rogers, first wife of John Cronk, died January 26, 1829, aged 43 years, 7 months and 8 days. She died the day her daughter, Harriet, was born. Her stone reads:   “Twenty-four years of her last days were spent     In serving Christ the Lord; She lov'd the place where Christians went   To hear God's holy word. Look on, spectators, now and see     Your sister laid in dust; As she is now, so you must be;    God's Word declares you must. She sleeps beneath the silent clod,   Her soul in heaven, we trust, Till Gabriel sounds the trump of God   To wake the slumbering dust.”   Then, in 1834, little Lydia Jane, daughter of John S. Cronk and his second wife, Lydia Ireland, died on July 10, aged 3 years and 3 months.   “Dear Lydia Jane, thy lovely charms    Thy parents's souls possess; Thou art calle'd away to Jesus' arms    Forever there to rest, Dear Lydia Jane, thy sparkling eyes    Just open'd to see earth's toys, When Jesus calls thee to the skies    To reap eternal joys.  How short on earth thy stay has been    Thy weeping parents say. So all the pleasures we have seen    Are subject to decay.”   And Catherine, daughter of John S. and Harriet, died December 21, 1839, aged 19 years, 4 months and 23 days.   “This marble stone placed at my head, Shows where I sleep among the dead. Not twenty years below the sun Before my glass of life had run. May God be praised that in my youth I sought, I found, and loved the truth, That when my body sunk in death I praised the Lord with latest breath. Now you who o'er my ashes tread, Sigh and say poor Catherine's dead. Know that she lives and reigns above, And shout for Joy redeeming love.”   Howell says, “A friend of the writer, visiting this cemetery one occasion, struck with the wild beauty of the spot, spoke on the poetic fitness of burial in so peaceful and secluded a sleeping place.” Although we have been able to discover quite a lot about the family, we have been unable to trace their exact ancestral line. Any information, clues, hints, suggestions, or even wild guesses will be sincerely appreciated! Thanks so much. Carol and Gary

gctodd: Meet Court Conkwright - Court, meet gctodd . . . . . we're all somehow cousins perhaps. My husband's maternal grandmother was a Conkwright in Ohio. Plenty of the early settlers found their way to Ohio and many points south and west of there. SKIP2MLOU > Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 06:11:36 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Kronkhyte-Cronk families of Orange Co., NY query > > > > > > We are seeking information on the Cornwall, Orange County, > NY, Cronk/Kronkhytes; specifically the ancestry of John Cronk/Kronkhyte, who > lived in the Clove between Storm King Mountain and Cro’Nest in the early-to-mid > 1800’s. Although we are sure that he is descended from Herck Syboutsen and > Wyntie Theuis/Quick, we have not yet been able to trace the exact line. (There > was a different John Kronkhyte, b. 1750, who lived at West Grove in Orange Co., during much of this same period; > he was married to Abigail Parr.) > > > > Recently discovered Cronk family Bible pages list the > following: (Phrases in italics are not found in the Bible pages, but are > explanatory or study notes. The spelling of the surname also changes.) > > > > John Kronkhyte born May 7 1783 > > Harriet, his wife June 18 1785 (Harriet Rogers) > > William born July 18 1804 > > Betsy born March 1 1806 > > Joshua born January 20 1808 (married Mary Ireland, a sister of Lydia Ireland) > > Martha born July 14 1810 (married Abram Ireland, > a brother of Lydia > Ireland) > > Sally born May 1 1812 > > John R. born Sept 14 1814 > > Henry born March 6 1817 > > Catherine born July 29 1820 > > Saunders born March 25 1822 > > Milton born Dec 28 1925 > > Harriet born January 27 1829 > > > > Lydia Ireland the second wife of > John Kronk was born October > 28 1808 > > Lydia Jane Kronk born April the 12th 1831 (died July 10, 1834) > > Hannah was born November 17 1834 (d. May 30, 1855) > > Nickless (sic) was born 1841 (not clear; year looks like “41” is a later correction from “183__,” > perhaps 1837.) > > John and Lydia > had two younger daughters not shown, as the bottom of page is torn: > > Emily was born about 1841 > > Mary was born about 1846 > > > > PAGE 2 > > John Kronkhyte and Harriet Rogers > were joined in Matrimony August > 17 1803 > > John Kronk and Lydia Ireland were > joined in Matrimony December > the first 1829 > > > > Several members of this family are buried in the old cemetery > near the river in what is now Storm King State Park. Son Joshua recalled many > years later that family members crossed the river from Putnam County, > presumably Cold Spring, for his mother Harriet’s funeral in 1829. > > > > We would especially like to find information on John’s > parents/ancestors, and when they came to Orange > and the Clove. There was a William Cronk living nearby, who we believe may have > been his father. Also a Joshua Kronkite, who died about 1815 and is buried in > the local cemetery. We presume a close relationship because of the names of John and Harriet's two eldest sons. We are also searching for the family of John’s first wife, > Harriet Rogers, who may have come from Putnam County. And, of course, we would > be more than happy to share our research. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are seeking information on the Cornwall, Orange County, NY, Cronk/Kronkhytes; specifically the ancestry of John Cronk/Kronkhyte, who lived in the Clove between Storm King Mountain and Cro’Nest in the early-to-mid 1800’s. Although we are sure that he is descended from Herck Syboutsen and Wyntie Theuis/Quick, we have not yet been able to trace the exact line. (There was a different John Kronkhyte, b. 1750, who lived at West Grove in Orange Co., during much of this same period; he was married to Abigail Parr.)   Recently discovered Cronk family Bible pages list the following: (Phrases in italics are not found in the Bible pages, but are explanatory or study notes. The spelling of the surname also changes.)   John Kronkhyte born May 7 1783 Harriet, his wife June 18 1785 (Harriet Rogers) William born July 18 1804 Betsy born March 1 1806 Joshua born January 20 1808 (married Mary Ireland, a sister of Lydia Ireland) Martha born July 14 1810 (married Abram Ireland, a brother of Lydia Ireland) Sally born May 1 1812 John R. born Sept 14 1814 Henry born March 6 1817 Catherine born July 29 1820 Saunders born March 25 1822 Milton born Dec 28 1925 Harriet born January 27 1829   Lydia Ireland the second wife of John Kronk was born October 28 1808 Lydia Jane Kronk born April the 12th 1831 (died July 10, 1834) Hannah was born November 17 1834 (d. May 30, 1855) Nickless (sic) was born 1841 (not clear; year looks like “41” is a later correction from “183__,” perhaps 1837.) John and Lydia had two younger daughters not shown, as the bottom of page is torn: Emily was born about 1841 Mary was born about 1846   PAGE 2 John Kronkhyte and Harriet Rogers were joined in Matrimony August 17 1803 John Kronk and Lydia Ireland were joined in Matrimony December the first 1829   Several members of this family are buried in the old cemetery near the river in what is now Storm King State Park. Son Joshua recalled many years later that family members crossed the river from Putnam County, presumably Cold Spring, for his mother Harriet’s funeral in 1829.   We would especially like to find information on John’s parents/ancestors, and when they came to Orange and the Clove. There was a William Cronk living nearby, who we believe may have been his father. Also a Joshua Kronkite, who died about 1815 and is buried in the local cemetery. We presume a close relationship because of the names of John and Harriet's two eldest sons. We are also searching for the family of John’s first wife, Harriet Rogers, who may have come from Putnam County. And, of course, we would be more than happy to share our research.

Hi Jan, > Hi Pam, > > I'm sorry, I copied the refence without translating it. The NYG&B > Record established standard abbreviations for sources in 1933, I > think, so in their publications, REC always stands for The New York > Genealogical & Biographical Record, and following this in parentheses > is the (volume:page). So REC (78:162), for example, would be the New > York Genealogical & Biographical Record, Volume 78, Page 162. > > I will do better with providing volumes instead of dates in the future. > > Thank you, > > Jan http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=96 The Standard Source Abbreviations of 1933 have been tweaked and updated and the results are a bit different under the editorial direction of Patricia Law Hatcher in 2010. If nothing else, NYG&B should precede REC if you insist on the 1933 version, especially for articles or citations that are not appearing in the Record itself. However, the source reference today ought to be something like this: [NYG&B Record 78(1947):162]. 8 Dec 1774; Daniel Outwater and Nelly Harris Adding the title of the article is also helpful. In this case, for the marriage of Daniel Outwater and Nelly Harris, that would be "Marriages in the Dutch Reformed Church in Hopewell, Dutchess County, N.Y." The marriage record for Joseph Harris and Annatje Viele is: [NYG&B Record 73 (1942):229] "Records of the First Reformed (Dutch) Church of Poughkeepsie, New York" 2 Jan 1747 [or 1748]; Joseph Herris, Y.M. of Esopus, living Poughkeepsie, and Annatje Viele, Y.D., of Poughkeepsie, living Poughkeepsie. > One correction: Dr. Gale Ion Harris has corrected the ancestry of > Joseph Harris. He was shown in the two earlier articles as Joseph4 > (William3, Thomas2, William1) Harris. Dr. Harris demonstrates that he > is in fact Joseph3 (John2, John1), and is descended from John Harris > of Albany who married Elizabeth Claasz, and whose son John2 Harris > married Jannetje Nessepat. > > Jan You've lost me on the above. On page 10 of the NYG&B Record 133(2002), Dr. Harris shows Joseph Harris to be the child baptized at Kingston on 15 October 1727, the son of William Harris and Catharine Noxon: [Hoes B#3670] 15 Oct 1727; Wil Herris, Catryntjen Naks; Joseph; Evert Bogardus, Elisabeth Naks William Harris, the father, was baptized at Albany on 6 Sep 1691, the son of Jan Harris and Lysbeth Claes [Dr. Harris failed to identify her as Lysbeth Claes Stavast]. This William Harris was the younger brother of Jan Harris who married Jannetje Nessepat. [HSYB 1904, p 54] 6 Sep 1691; Willem, of Jean Harris and Lysbeth Claasz. Wit.: Mr Kint, Benoni Van Corlar, Lysbeth Van der Poel. William Harris married Catharine Noxon at Kingston on 13 July 1713: [Hoes M#301] 13 July 1713; William Harris, j.m., and Catryntjen Naks, both resid. in Kingston. Married on the presentation of a license. The line of descent is therefore: Jan Harris/Lysbeth Claes [Stavast] Willem Harris/Catharine Noxon (Naks) Joseph Harris/Annatje Viele Neeltje Harris/Daniel Outwater The children of Joseph Harris and Annatje Viele are listed on pages 146-148 of Volume 84 of the Record in "The Harris Family of Block Island and Dutchess County, N.Y." by Roderick Bissell Jones, The New York Genealogical & Biographical Record, July 1953. Be careful of another error, for Daniel Outwater only married once, and that was to Neeltje Harris, for she appeared in the pension application in 1847 and is said to have died in 1851 in Ontario Province, Canada. Roderick Bissell Jones appears to have been confused or mis-led by the baptismal record for Barent Van Kleeck Outwater at New Hackensack. Barent van Cleek #984; Birth Date: 14 Nov 1786; Bapt. Date: 17 Feb 1788; Parents: Daniel Oudwater, Cathrine Harris Source: Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Hackensack There is obviously an error in the records [the mother should have been Neeltje Harris]. Hope the above helps. Best regards, Pam Sears

Hi Mike, Thank you for sharing with me...You make a very provocative case !!!! Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with the Van Nest family... I've often wondered whether they might have become "Van Ness" or "Van Nuys"; but given names don't seem to support that notion. more 'direct' comments below... mike wrote: > Barbara, > > /I am wondering if Susannah, wife of Jeronimus Van Nest, might be a > daughter of Jan Albertse Terhune and Margaret Van Sicklen. I have > little on which to make this assumption except the naming of Jeronimus > and Susannah's children:/ Personally, I find children's names MOST persuasive (especially when we have birth order). I think you could be right. There IS a "window of opportunity" between 1698 and 1705/8 for Jan Albertse Terhune and Margaret Van Sicklen to have additional children. The 1698 Census indicates he had 6 living children. Daughter Sarah (m. Harmanus Barkelow) was born about 1705-1708. In addition, we now know that Jan died after 1731, NOT in 1705 as previously recorded. Margaret Van Sicklen's paternal grandparents were Jan and __Susanna__ Van Schyellen, so it is entirely within reason that she would name one daughter Susanna. And, of course, as you note below, Margaret V.S. also had a sister named Susannah, whose will kindly provided the names of her siblings. > > > /*1.* JERONIMUS^3 VAN NEST (PETER^2 , PETER PIETERSEN^1 ) was born > Bef. 02 May 1697 in near NYC, NY. He married (1) SUSANNAH UNKNOWN. _ > __She was born Bef. 1710.__ _ He married (2) CATHERINE BROKAW, > daughter of ABRAHAM BROKAW and MARY DAVIDS. She was born Bef. 06 Aug > 1712 in near Raritan, NJ./ > If Susannah __was__ a Terhune, you can be reasonably sure she was born before 1710. None of the Terhune daughters married before the age of 18, ESPECIALLY in those early days. In fact, that is also the case with most of the early Dutch families. I would put her "projected" birth at or before 1705 to bear a child in 1725 (others may disagree). > > > /Notes for Susannah Unknown:/ > > /Some show Susanna as the daughter of Ferdinand & Eva Van Sicklen, b > 1681. However, their daughter left a will with no apparent > descendants, but does mention the children of her brothers, Ferdinand > and Reynier, the children of her sisters, Eva and Margaret, and her > sisters, Ann and Cornelia. Susannh, wife of Jeronimus, was not > mentioned in the will of Ferdinand Van Sicklen, h/o Geertje Minnes, > nor the will of Reynier Van Sicklen.. She could be a daughter of Eva > or Margaret. The children of Eva seem all accounted for. / > > / / > > /Children of JERONIMUS VAN NEST and SUSANNAH UNKNOWN are:/ > > / i. PETER^4 VAN NEST,bap. 14 Nov 1725, > Readington, NJ; d. Bef. 1737./ > > / ii. JOHN VAN NEST, bap. 22 Jan 1726/27, > Readington, NJ./ > > / iii. JORIS VAN NEST, bap. 26 Sep 1731, Raritan, NJ./ > > / iv. FERDINAND VAN NEST, bap. 25 Dec 1732, > Raritan, NJ./ > > / v. JACOB VAN NEST, bap. 02 Mar 1734/35, Raritan, > NJ./ > > / vi. PETER VAN NEST//, bap. 30 Jan > 1736/37, Raritan, NJ./ > > /Children of JERONIMUS VAN NEST and CATHERINE BROKAW are:/ > > / vii. MARY^4 VAN NEST, bap 27 May 1744, Raritan, NJ./ > > / viii. CATHERINE VAN NEST, bap. 01 Apr > 1748, Raritan, NJ./ > > / ix. ABRAHAM VAN NEST, bap. 24 May 1751, Raritan, NJ./ > > / x. DIANA VAN NEST, bap. 02 Feb 1755, Raritan, NJ./ > > / / > > /In the above listing, Peter and Catherine are named after their > paternal grandparents. Mary and Abraham, children of Catherine, are > named after their maternal grandparents. It seems likely John was > named after his maternal grandfather. The name of Susannah's son, > Ferdinand, is what points to the Van Sicklen family. I have not found > any other connection./ > I find "Ferdinand", in the company of "John" especially persuasive!!! > > > /Have you come across any evidence of a Susannah Terhune?/ > Sadly, no. My earliest Susannah Terhune was born in 1813 in Fleming Co., KY. But don't let that discourage you...keep digging. See if baptismal witnesses for grandchildren of Jeronimus might prove fruitful. I'm going to share your quest with the experts on the Dutch-Colonies mail list. I'll bet they can shed some light on your search as well. Warmest regards, Barb Terhune > / / > > /Thanks for your time./ > > / / > > /Mike Morrissey/ > > > >