For those following the World Cup, the Netherlands defeated Uruguay 3-2 and will face either Germany or Spain for the title. Not really on topic but the Netherlands has never won a World Cup so it would really be exciting if they did. Chris -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

Roelof Dehayes New Castle County, DE was the son of Johannes Dehaes (both were Colonial Delaware Assemblymen) who seems to have married Sarah, a daughter of John Williams-Neering. De Haes had five children (more?): Elizabeth, Catherine, Mary, Joanna, and Sarah. Seek spouses (if any) of these daughters.

Teunis Voorhees or Van Voorhees, a Privateer, sailed out of New Brunswick on his ship the Revenge ca. 1781-. Does anyone have additional information on his ship and or career? Also his parents and wife? Thank you Judy Cassidy

David, Don't know if this is your Jacob Smith, but there was a Jacob Smith that owned property near Sergeantsville, NJ, in Hunterdon County, Delaware twp. Might be worth looking into. I have copied this article “as is” This article appeared in the HUNTERDON HISTORICAL NEWSLETTER VOL 3, ISSUE 2 FALL 1967 Unpublished Family Cemetery Inscriptions PINE HILL CEMETERY On former Jacob Smith farm, top of Pine Hill, Delaware Township. Copied 1909, by Miss Anna s. La Rue. My 5th great grandfather William Williamson owned this land for a time. Richard Williamson Tucson, AZ In a message dated 7/1/2010 6:29:36 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am looking for information on the family of Jacob Smith/Smidt/Smit and Maria Jacobs, who baptized four children in New York, namely Anna on 19 Oct 1672, Geertruyd on 12 May 1680, Sara on 31 Dec 1681 and a second Geertruyd on 2 Feb 1687. The female witness for the last of these was Catharina de Riemer, who was undoubtedly Catharina nee Smith, widow of Huybert de Riemer. Were Jacob Smith and Catharina de Riemer related? Possibly siblings? Thanks, David Lear ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam, as always .. You are incredibly kind to share yet more information ! After I was re-reading my notes I also found the 1723 baptism for Peter Buckhout, son of Jan & Marytie Buckhout, in Tarrytown. It's not uncommon for the Buckhout branches, the one that went north into Westchester & primarily descends from Matthys, and the second that went from Newtown to Bushwyck and then on to Dutchess Co. via Pieter, both sons of immigrant Jan, to get confused! It's my mission to continue to try and unravel the two branches. I'm, of course, descended from the Dutchess Co. one which is the hardest to untangle as that branch did not (for the most part) attend a Dutch church (sadly) and so often the family members' baptisms, marriages etc. are scarce. Nonetheless, I will carry on -- just to summarize (in case anyone else is remotely interested). I think we can definitely say that the Peter Buckhout who married Sara Gardenier and was having children until at least 1760, is not the same one who married Jean (Jannitje) Churchill [possibly Brouwer] in 1755. That rules one out! My job to continue the research! Thanks again for your help, Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pamela J. Sears Sent: June 30, 2010 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Peter Buckhout-Jane Brower Dear Carol and Chris, To help clarify at least one issue, Chris Chester wrote: > Also, another source, Innes Getty, "Jacob Janse Flodder, alias Jacob > Janse Gardenier" (Yonkers, NY 1947) page 55, states that Peter > Buckhout, son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine, married Sarah > GARDENIER on 2 Mar 1744 (MDC). > The author states that Peter was b. ca. 1720 at Bushwick, bapt. 27 Aug > 1723 (no source or location) and died in 1786. Which if correct, would > imply that the estate of Peter Bookhout that was assessed at Rombout > in 1770 belonged to a different Peter Buckhout. > Therefore the Peter Buckhouts need to be sorted out as well. The marriage record for this Pieter Boeckhout (cited to MDC which is an old source reference no longer in use) can be found in the marriage records of the New York Dutch Church [Volume II of the Collections of the NY Genealogical & Biographical Society, edited by Samuel S. Purple (1890)].. [NY DRC 2:171] 12 Maart 1744; Pieter Buckhout & Sarah Gardenier, van Westchester; den 12 Maart 1744. Sara Gardenier (his wife) was baptized in the Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow (Tarrytown) as follows: Zara #368; Bapt. Date: 21 Apr 1719; Parents: Jacob Gardenier, Zara his wife; Sponsors: Haremanis Gardenier, Zara Gardenier Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) However, the Pieter Boeckhout (son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine) who was said (by Mr. Getty) to be born 1720 in Bushwick and subsequently baptized 27 August 1723 (somewhere) is somewhat of a puzzlement. More importantly, the baptismal record for this supposed Pieter Boeckhout (27 August 1723) is given at the very bottom of page 55, but the names of the parents are omitted. Here is the baptismal record, at Tarrytown, for a Pieter Boeckhout: Petrus #481 Bapt. Date: 27 Aug 1723; Parents: Jan Boeckhout, Maritie his wife Sponsors: Pieter Buys, Geertie his wife Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) This Petrus (Pieter) was the son of John Boeckhout & his wife Maria Bancker, and married at Tarrytown to Aeltje Cuyper on 16 March 1745: From: First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow' Organized in 1697 and now The First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N. Y. by Rev. David Cole, D.D., Yonkers, N. Y., Published by The Yonkers Historical and Library Association, 1901. [Fifth Book, #189] Mar. 16, 1745 - Petrus Boechout, j. m., b. in Philips Burgh, and Aeltie Kupper, j. d., b. in Haverstroo. Both l. here. This Pieter Boeckhout was not mentioned in the will of his father, dated 20 January 1774 and proved 28 April 1785 [WNYHS 8:151/2] although it could well have been an oversight. John Boeckhout and Maria Bancker had a total of 16 children baptized at Tarrytown (1711 to 1735), and his death record reads as follows: Perry, William Graves, The old Dutch burying ground of Sleepy Hollow, in North Tarrytown, New York : a record of the early gravestones and their inscriptions. Boston: Rand Press, 1953, page 34 John Buckout who departed this life 10 Apr 1785 aged 103 years, and left behind him when he died 240 children and grandchildren; also Mary the wife of John Buck't died Aug 1755 aged 75 years My point is this. Mr. Getty appears to have been confused. Pieter Boeckhout, born 1720 in Bushwick, the son of John Boeckhout and Hester Fyn, was not identical with the Pieter Boeckhout who was baptized at Tarrytown on 27 August 1723. Pieter Boeckhout & Aeltje Cuyper had 2 children baptized as follows: Jan #1404; Birth Date: 19 Jan 1746; Bapt. Date: 2 Mar 1746; Pieter Boeckhouyt, Aeltye Cuyper; Sponsors: Jan Boeackhouyt and his wife Marytye Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] Eliesabet #1216 Birth Date: 21 Oct 1746; Bapt. Date: 15 Nov 1746; Parents: Pieter Bockhout; Sponsors: Jacob Bockhout, Marytie Bockhout Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) Pieter Boeckhout & Sara Gardenier had 4 children baptized as follows: Jacob #1535; Birth Date: 14 Jan 1749; Bapt. Date: 2 Apr 1749; Parents: Pieter Boeckhouyt, Sara Gardenier; Sponsors: Abraham Ryke and his wife Elisabeth Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] [NY RDC, p 174] 19 Feb 1752; Pieter Boekholt, Sara Gardenier; Johannes; Petrus Boekholt, Hester Boekholt, j.d. [NY RDC, p 207] 25 Dec 1755; Pieter Boekhout, Sara Gardenier; Sara, geboren den 8 Decemb; Cornelis Terp, Applonia nit den Boogart, z.h.v. [NY RDC, p 244] 29 Jun 1760; Pieter Boekhout, Sara Gardenier; Johannes; Gerrit van Weert, Marytje Gardenier, z.h.v. Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information on the family of Jacob Smith/Smidt/Smit and Maria Jacobs, who baptized four children in New York, namely Anna on 19 Oct 1672, Geertruyd on 12 May 1680, Sara on 31 Dec 1681 and a second Geertruyd on 2 Feb 1687. The female witness for the last of these was Catharina de Riemer, who was undoubtedly Catharina nee Smith, widow of Huybert de Riemer. Were Jacob Smith and Catharina de Riemer related? Possibly siblings? Thanks, David Lear

Dear Carol and Chris, To help clarify at least one issue, Chris Chester wrote: > Also, another source, Innes Getty, "Jacob Janse Flodder, alias Jacob > Janse Gardenier" (Yonkers, NY 1947) page 55, states that Peter > Buckhout, son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine, married Sarah > GARDENIER on 2 Mar 1744 (MDC). > The author states that Peter was b. ca. 1720 at Bushwick, bapt. 27 Aug > 1723 (no source or location) and died in 1786. Which if correct, would > imply that the estate of Peter Bookhout that > was assessed at Rombout in 1770 belonged to a different Peter Buckhout. > Therefore the Peter Buckhouts need to be sorted out as well. The marriage record for this Pieter Boeckhout (cited to MDC which is an old source reference no longer in use) can be found in the marriage records of the New York Dutch Church [Volume II of the Collections of the NY Genealogical & Biographical Society, edited by Samuel S. Purple (1890)].. [NY DRC 2:171] 12 Maart 1744; Pieter Buckhout & Sarah Gardenier, van Westchester; den 12 Maart 1744. Sara Gardenier (his wife) was baptized in the Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow (Tarrytown) as follows: Zara #368; Bapt. Date: 21 Apr 1719; Parents: Jacob Gardenier, Zara his wife; Sponsors: Haremanis Gardenier, Zara Gardenier Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) However, the Pieter Boeckhout (son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine) who was said (by Mr. Getty) to be born 1720 in Bushwick and subsequently baptized 27 August 1723 (somewhere) is somewhat of a puzzlement. More importantly, the baptismal record for this supposed Pieter Boeckhout (27 August 1723) is given at the very bottom of page 55, but the names of the parents are omitted. Here is the baptismal record, at Tarrytown, for a Pieter Boeckhout: Petrus #481 Bapt. Date: 27 Aug 1723; Parents: Jan Boeckhout, Maritie his wife Sponsors: Pieter Buys, Geertie his wife Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) This Petrus (Pieter) was the son of John Boeckhout & his wife Maria Bancker, and married at Tarrytown to Aeltje Cuyper on 16 March 1745: From: First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow' Organized in 1697 and now The First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N. Y. by Rev. David Cole, D.D., Yonkers, N. Y., Published by The Yonkers Historical and Library Association, 1901. [Fifth Book, #189] Mar. 16, 1745 - Petrus Boechout, j. m., b. in Philips Burgh, and Aeltie Kupper, j. d., b. in Haverstroo. Both l. here. This Pieter Boeckhout was not mentioned in the will of his father, dated 20 January 1774 and proved 28 April 1785 [WNYHS 8:151/2] although it could well have been an oversight. John Boeckhout and Maria Bancker had a total of 16 children baptized at Tarrytown (1711 to 1735), and his death record reads as follows: Perry, William Graves, The old Dutch burying ground of Sleepy Hollow, in North Tarrytown, New York : a record of the early gravestones and their inscriptions. Boston: Rand Press, 1953, page 34 John Buckout who departed this life 10 Apr 1785 aged 103 years, and left behind him when he died 240 children and grandchildren; also Mary the wife of John Buck't died Aug 1755 aged 75 years My point is this. Mr. Getty appears to have been confused. Pieter Boeckhout, born 1720 in Bushwick, the son of John Boeckhout and Hester Fyn, was not identical with the Pieter Boeckhout who was baptized at Tarrytown on 27 August 1723. Pieter Boeckhout & Aeltje Cuyper had 2 children baptized as follows: Jan #1404; Birth Date: 19 Jan 1746; Bapt. Date: 2 Mar 1746; Pieter Boeckhouyt, Aeltye Cuyper; Sponsors: Jan Boeackhouyt and his wife Marytye Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] Eliesabet #1216 Birth Date: 21 Oct 1746; Bapt. Date: 15 Nov 1746; Parents: Pieter Bockhout; Sponsors: Jacob Bockhout, Marytie Bockhout Source: First Reformed Church of Tarrytown (Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow) Pieter Boeckhout & Sara Gardenier had 4 children baptized as follows: Jacob #1535; Birth Date: 14 Jan 1749; Bapt. Date: 2 Apr 1749; Parents: Pieter Boeckhouyt, Sara Gardenier; Sponsors: Abraham Ryke and his wife Elisabeth Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] [NY RDC, p 174] 19 Feb 1752; Pieter Boekholt, Sara Gardenier; Johannes; Petrus Boekholt, Hester Boekholt, j.d. [NY RDC, p 207] 25 Dec 1755; Pieter Boekhout, Sara Gardenier; Sara, geboren den 8 Decemb; Cornelis Terp, Applonia nit den Boogart, z.h.v. [NY RDC, p 244] 29 Jun 1760; Pieter Boekhout, Sara Gardenier; Johannes; Gerrit van Weert, Marytje Gardenier, z.h.v. Regards, Pam Sears

Chris, thanks so much. The marriage of Peter & Jean (Churchill) Buckhout in 1755 in Rumbout is not new to me.. However, previously that marriage was attributed by Frank Doherty, "Settlers of the Beekman Patent" (and others), to a Peter Buckhout, the nephew of the one I noted below, son of John Buckhout who died 1770 (will written Aug 20, 1770 & proved Feb. 11, 1771, NY Co., NY Wills 27:553) in Fishkill. Not to say that is correct, but that is to whom it's been identified previously. It's always been a curiousity to me though that the names were so close so that is something to reconsider. For sure, there is a Peter Buckhout in the Tax Records living with or adjacent to John Buckhout in June 1769 and then is the "estate of" in 1770. It's highly unlikely that John included his son Peter in his will as he did, if Peter died in the months before, while we know that he had a brother named Peter.. Ah.. Much more work for me! I appreciate the information on Jannetje Brouwer's marriages as that is definitely 'new' to me and worth pursuing. I'm not surprised about the incorrect attribution to Adolphus Brouwer from the New Brunswick Archives records as it was only as 'others' believed and I also hadn't found anything to support that supposition in fact. As for the marriage to Sara Gardenier, I've certainly seen it attributed to Peter who resided in Dutchess Co previously by others .. I'm still cautious about that one as I have also found a hereto unknown "Peter Buckhout" baptised in 1729 in the Newtown Presbyterian Church: "1729 Jan. 5th Peter Buckhout baptized on Johannis Culvor's Acct Promising to do the Part of a Christian Parent to him." If you believe that this son Peter is the child of Pieter Boeckhout & Elizabeth Way (his 3rd wife) then it makes some sense. Elizabeth was related by marriage to Johannes Culver through Johannes' wife Sara Way. By 1729, both Pieter Boeckhout (he prior to 1722, most likely in NJ) and Elizabeth (she by Oct 1729, Newtown Presbyterian Church records) would be dead thus placing their child in the care of Johannes Culver. If that's true, then this Peter Buckhout (likely born between 1712-1715) lived in Newtown and NY City most of his life and is also a candidate to marry Sara Gardenier and die in NY City in 1786. All that being said, I am very curious about the 1723 baptism that was noted as that is something I don't have, and so will be scouring the NY church records again for that reference. Anyway, lots more for me to do -- Thanks again, Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Chester Sent: June 29, 2010 5:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Peter Buckhout-Jane Brower Carol, This is in reply to your question from earlier today regarding Jane Brower who is said to have married Peter Buckhout ("Moses Vail of Huntington" page 42). On 2 Nov 1755, Peter Buckhout married Jean CHURCHILL, widow. Record of Marriages in the Presbyterian Churches of Rumbout and Poughkeepsie (NYGBR 69[1938]:287). I do not know with certainty who the Jane Brower mentioned in the Moses Vail genealogy is, however, I can suggest the following lead with the understanding that much more research is needed: Jannetje Brouwer, baptized 18 May 1719, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, daughter of Adolphus Brouwer and Jannetje Verdon, married first Richard Truman (Hoffman, "Brouwer Corrections" NYGBR 69[1938]:177) and second, 14 Dec 1748, RDC NY, John CHURCHWELL/ CHURCHILL (Purple, RDC NA/NY Marriages page 179). Their daughter, Jannetje, was baptized at Tappan, 25 Feb 1753. I know of no other children for this couple and it is conceivable that John Churchwell/ Churchill could have died between his daughter's birth in 1753 and the marriage of "Jean CHURCHILL, widow" in 1755. However, also in the Presbyterian Church records of Rumbout and Poughkeepsie is the marriage of one John CHURCHILL, widower, and Rebecca Southard on 26 Jan 1756 (same citation as above). Therefore, in order to solve this puzzle you may have to research and sort out your John CHURCHILLs. Two other points regarding your initial inquiry: Adolphus Brouwer, the husband of Jannetje Verdon, is NOT a grandson of Everardus Bogardus and Anneke Jans. Adolphus is a son of Nicholas Brouwer and Jannetje Caljer, with Nicholas being a son of Adam Brouwer and Magdalena Verdon. Also, another source, Innes Getty, "Jacob Janse Flodder, alias Jacob Janse Gardenier" (Yonkers, NY 1947) page 55, states that Peter Buckhout, son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine, married Sarah GARDENIER on 2 Mar 1744 (MDC). The author states that Peter was b. ca. 1720 at Bushwick, bapt. 27 Aug 1723 (no source or location) and died in 1786. Which if correct, would imply that the estate of Peter Bookhout that was assessed at Rombout in 1770 belonged to a different Peter Buckhout. Therefore the Peter Buckhouts need to be sorted out as well. If nothing else I hope this at least supplies some leads as to what to research next. Regards, Chris Chester ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, This is in reply to your question from earlier today regarding Jane Brower who is said to have married Peter Buckhout ("Moses Vail of Huntington" page 42). On 2 Nov 1755, Peter Buckhout married Jean CHURCHILL, widow. Record of Marriages in the Presbyterian Churches of Rumbout and Poughkeepsie (NYGBR 69[1938]:287). I do not know with certainty who the Jane Brower mentioned in the Moses Vail genealogy is, however, I can suggest the following lead with the understanding that much more research is needed: Jannetje Brouwer, baptized 18 May 1719, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, daughter of Adolphus Brouwer and Jannetje Verdon, married first Richard Truman (Hoffman, "Brouwer Corrections" NYGBR 69[1938]:177) and second, 14 Dec 1748, RDC NY, John CHURCHWELL/ CHURCHILL (Purple, RDC NA/NY Marriages page 179). Their daughter, Jannetje, was baptized at Tappan, 25 Feb 1753. I know of no other children for this couple and it is conceivable that John Churchwell/ Churchill could have died between his daughter's birth in 1753 and the marriage of "Jean CHURCHILL, widow" in 1755. However, also in the Presbyterian Church records of Rumbout and Poughkeepsie is the marriage of one John CHURCHILL, widower, and Rebecca Southard on 26 Jan 1756 (same citation as above). Therefore, in order to solve this puzzle you may have to research and sort out your John CHURCHILLs. Two other points regarding your initial inquiry: Adolphus Brouwer, the husband of Jannetje Verdon, is NOT a grandson of Everardus Bogardus and Anneke Jans. Adolphus is a son of Nicholas Brouwer and Jannetje Caljer, with Nicholas being a son of Adam Brouwer and Magdalena Verdon. Also, another source, Innes Getty, "Jacob Janse Flodder, alias Jacob Janse Gardenier" (Yonkers, NY 1947) page 55, states that Peter Buckhout, son of John Buckhout and Esther Fine, married Sarah GARDENIER on 2 Mar 1744 (MDC). The author states that Peter was b. ca. 1720 at Bushwick, bapt. 27 Aug 1723 (no source or location) and died in 1786. Which if correct, would imply that the estate of Peter Bookhout that was assessed at Rombout in 1770 belonged to a different Peter Buckhout. Therefore the Peter Buckhouts need to be sorted out as well. If nothing else I hope this at least supplies some leads as to what to research next. Regards, Chris Chester

I am wondering if there is anyone who is a Brouwer/Brower researcher on the List who can verify (or dispute) the following marriage between Peter Buckhout & Jannetje Brouwer, possibly at Bushwyck, Kings Co. or Fishkill, Dutchess Co., NY. According to "Moses Vail of Huntington, LI Showing his Descent from Joseph (2) Vail, son of Thomas Vail, at Salem, Massachusetts 1640" by Wm. Penn Vail, M.D., 1947, p. 63, Jesse Vail (son of Joseph & Rachel (Miller) Vail) married Elizabeth Buckhout, dau. of Peter Buckhout & Jane Brower. Jesse was born May 5, 1748 and died at Fishkill, Dutchess Co., between 1819 - 1823. Elizabeth died Jan. 19, 1842 and had children from abt. 1774-1803 (according to Vail). I should also mention that one of Jesse & Elizabeth's children, Mary Vail, b. June 12, 1774, m. Cornelius J. Brower. The afore-mentioned Peter Buckhout is the son of Johannis Buckhout and Esther Fine who were married 1712 at Newtown and who resided at Bushwyck, Kings Co., until abt. 1739/1740. The family then removed to Fishkill, Dutchess Co., where Johannis purchased 578 acres of lot #2 at Fishkill with William Barnes, they later partitioned the land and Johannis resided on the northern half of the property. Peter Buckhout is found living in Fishkill, as noted from Tax Assessment records from at least 1755 until 1769, then noted as "Bookhout, Peter estate of" in 1770. From that time period onwards, his wife, Jannetje, is found in numerous court records (Ancient Court Records Dutchess Co.) representing debts owed by her deceased husband Peter Buckhout. I have also traced another child of Peter Buckhout and the purported Jannetje Brower/Brouwer, John Bookhout, who served in the Loyal American Regiment during the Revolutionary War and settled in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada after 1783. In the New Brunswick Archives, "First Families," Manuscript Collection (MC3047), MS2D, Item 5 Donald P. Wright fonds, Chester Lucas notes - "John Bookhout of Saint John, N.B., and Some of his Family "John Bookhout, a Loyalist from Dutchess County, New York, settled following the American Revolution in Saint John, N.B., where he received a grant of Lot 1028, Parrtown. During the War, he had seen service as a Sergeant in Lt. Col. Beverley Robinson's Company of the Loyal American Regiment. On Feb. 26, 1819, John Bookhout, yeoman, gave to his son William, mariner, Lot 1028, Saint John, "in consideration of the Love good will and Affection" he held for him. He died in Saint John, N.B., Oct. 13, 1819. [handwritten notation in the margin: Freeman, St. John, 1795, S-1: 221] Family tradition has it that he was descended from the Rev. Everardus Bogardus and his wife Anneke Jans through their grandson Adolphus Brouwer and his wife Jannetie F(V)erdon." So, I'm wondering if anyone can corroborate the possibility that Jannetje Brouwer (possibly descendant of Adolphus Brouwer and Jannetje F(V)erdon?) did marry Peter Buckhout. Carol Murray 15521 Madrona Drive Surrey, BC V4A 5N2 Phone: (604) 538-5763 Email: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Visit my web site: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/o/a/Carol-E-Roach/index.html?We lcome=1075778923 Only a Genealogist regards a step backwards as progress...

Nice! ________________________________ From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, June 28, 2010 10:06:55 AM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenbergh Hi Ethel et al, A correction to my previous: > This Margaret Hoagland married Dirck Vanderbilt (baptized 10 November > 1727 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 106:205]), the son of Jacob Vanderbilt & Maria > Van der Vliet. Dirck Vanderbilt, baptized at Jamaica on 10 November 1727, was the son of Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenberg. NYG&B Record 106(1975):205  First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1726-29 1727, novem 10;  Dierck, child of Jan vanderbilt, Geertruy vanderbilt; wit: marytie hartenberch It was he who married Margaret Hooglandt, baptized 25 July 1730 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 107:36], the daughter of Cornelius Hooglandt & Maria Hardenbergh. The witnesses were: Johannes and Sara Hardenbergh [brother and sister of Maria]. Sorry about that. Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nice! ________________________________ From: Pamela J. Sears <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, June 27, 2010 8:26:25 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenbergh Hi Ethel, You're welcome. Glad to have helped and thanks for the Voorhees marriage record for Jacob Jansz Vanderbilt and Maria Dircks Van der Vliet. And Mike Morrissey contributed the following, but forgot to make his point :-): > >From "Baptismal record of the Reformed Dutch Church at Oyster Bay, > Long Island, New York, 1741-1846 (1913)", transcribed by Josephine C. > Frost, pg 3, several baptisms are recorded with some comments. They > appear in the order shown below: > > Different writing from last three commences here > 1747, April 22, Isaac Remsen, Geertruy Vanderbilt, Jan, Jan > Vanderbilt, Margarita Hogelant his wife. (A query after this > suggesting the wife's name as Cathrina) > The next name is still in a different had from the others. > [same day] Jan Vanderbilt, Margarit Hogelant, Hendrik [no witnesses] > [same day] Jeromus Bennet, Neeltje Hogeland, Neeltje [no witnesses] > [same day] Abraham Hogelant, Anatje Durje, Neeltje [no witnesses] > > In the above records the relationships between the parents are not > stated, but can be summarized as: > 1) Geertruy Vanderbilt is the daughter of Jan Vanderbilt and his first > wife, Geertruy Hardenbergh. > 2) Jan Vanderbilt and his second wife, Margaret Hoogland > 3) Neeltje Hoogland, sister of Margaret Hoogland > 4) Abraham Hoogland, brother of Margaret Hoogland. > > Mike Morrissey I'm sure Mike meant to say that Margaret, Neeltje and Abraham (siblings), were all children of Willem Hooglandt and his wife Neeltje Adrians Ryerson, which helps to confirm the placement of Margaret (wife of Jan Vanderbilt) in that family (i.e. daughter of Willem). I've been trying to determine just how (or why) Daniel Hoogland Carpenter ("The Hoagland Family in America" p 180) was so confused in this regard, and it must be because another Hoogland sibling, Cornelius Hoogland, married (1st) Maria Hardenbergh, and they had a daughter named Margaret, baptized 25 July 1730 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 107:36]. This Margaret Hoagland married Dirck Vanderbilt (baptized 10 November 1727 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 106:205]), the son of Jacob Vanderbilt & Maria Van der Vliet. Naturally, Cornelius Hoogland mentioned his daughter Margaret Vanderbilt in his will dated 16 May 1777 [WNYHS 10:98/99], but failed to specify her husband's name. Never mind that Jan Vanderbilt married Margaret Hoogland (daughter of Willem) about the same time (circa 1732) that the other Margaret Hoogland was baptized (25 July 1730). And Jean M. Rand in 1991 never blinked an eye, and simply perpetuated the error. So, as far as I'm concerned, that has become a non-issue. Regards, Pam Sears ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jon. If you have a copy of Barbara Barth's book, the Dorland Enigma Solved, this appears on page 171. If you do not have a copy then: Isaac Vanarsdalen, b. 6 June, bap. 27 June 1762, Harlingen DRC, will dated 20 Aug. 1842, codicil 1 Dec. 1844, pro. 18 Jan. 1845, Straban Twp., Adams Co, PA. m. ca. 1782 Esther Houghteling b. 1760 d. 15 apr. 1843 age 83 years. Children in Isaac's Will: Lucretia. bap. 6 Apr. 1783 Conewago; Maria bap. 4 Sept. 1785; [Dr.] Isaac bap. Dec. 1791, will 1863; Garrett b. say 1793, m. 26 Oct. 1826, m. Elizabeth Garvin, he d. 4 Jan. 1843, drowned while crossing the Allegheny River near Pittsburgh; Charity b. say 1795; Hannah b. say 1797 m. 6 Oct. 1816 Adams Co., William Irwin; William b. 20 May 1798 d. 6 Feb. 1858 bur. Conewago Cem. m. 27 Jan. 1824 Mary Osborn of Straban Twp., Hezekiah b. say 1799, member 1815 Methodist Ch. later lay preacher, appointed Gettysburg Postmaster 1841 moved to Baltimore, died there in a Methodist Home for the Ages 2 May 1876; Sally b. 4 Oct. 1800, d. 12 June 1881 Judy. Jun 28, 2010 01:13:00 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Hello Judy Cassidy, What are the dates and places of birth of Isaac Van Arsdalen and Ester Houghteling? Who are their children and birth dates? Thank you for your help. Have a good day, Jon Wenzel in Mariposa, California --- On Fri, 3/12/10, [email protected] wrote: From: [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] no subject To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:39 AM I was asleep at the wheel evidently, regarding Janice's question about Low Dutch from Conewago migrating to Redstone. Redstone was never a "Dutch Church,"  or Colony rather is was Presbyterian Church area. Nor was this area what I would consider a Low Dutch Colony, nor were Washington Co., Westmoreland and Fayette Co.  These Counties were areas where many of the Dutch migrated from various locations in PA other states, settling for a time prior to moving over into Ohio.  A few families from the Conewago Church Community removed to Unity and Greensburg, PA  after 1800 once the majority left for Kentucky and New York State. Once the main groups from Conewago, departed in 1780, 1783 and 1793/4, the Conewago church was left without a regular minister.  Rev. Black, a local Presbyterian minister who had served at Upper Marsh Creek Presbyterian Church in now Adams County, PA , served as a supply pastor to the remaining Conowago Congregation from 1794 to 1800. "From 1794 Mr. Black remained in the neighborhood of Gettysburg, preaching statedly to a Reformed Dutch Congregation which then existed in the vicinity of Hunterstown. In 1800 Mr. Black received a call from the churches of Unity and Greensburg in Westmoreland County, PA which he accepted and was enrolled as a member of the Presbytery of Redstone.  He died Aug. 16, 1802."  Several Conowago parishioners migrated to this area of Westmoreland Co., including the children of Isaac and Esther Houghteling Van Arsdale and Thomas and Annetie Hoogtely Van Tine.  In an article  "A Bit of History About Early Settlers,"  by B.V.M. McPherson, "Gettysburg Times, 3 Dec. 1960, pg. 52, which mention Monday January 30, 1843, "Melancholy accident, - On Tuesday night, January 4, 1843, five men were crossing the Allegheny River at Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, in a skiff, when a gust of wind struck and upset the boat and three of the fiver were drowned.  One of these was Garret vanorsdallen, formerly of this place.  The others were taken up nearly exausted."  Garret, son of Isaac Van Arsdalen and Ester Houghteling married Elizabeth Garvin, both of Gettysburg 26 Oct. 1826 in Gettysburg.  His sister Hannah Vanorsdal who married William irwin, 16 Oct. 1816 as did brother Isaac. Who else was in that skiff is unknown.    SOURCES; :Demarest, Historical Discourse, 32; The Centennial Memorial of the Presbytery of Carlisle, 2 (Harrisburg,  PA: Meyers Printing and Publishing, House, 1889), 68; History of Presbytery of Redstone Organized by The Synod of New York and Philadelphia, Sept. 10, 1781 and Under its care till 1788: A Part of the Syod of Virginia, 1788-1802; of The Synod of Pittsburg, 1802-1881 and now of The Synod of Pennsylvania, 1881-1889, (Washington, PA: Observer Book and Job Print, 1889) 186, Black served from 21 Apr. 1801-21 Apr. 1802.29 Barbara A. Barth, The Dorland Enigma Solved, A Revision of the Dorland Genealogy (Sandisfield, MA: Diane Barth 2006) [hereafter Barth, The Dorland Enigma Solved], 171, Isaac, Garret, Hannah w/o W. Irwin; Van Tine Family info. courtesy of Carol van Tine Yocum, 4320 S. 700 East #5, Salt Lake City, UT 84107. 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Hi Ethel, > Hi Pam, > > You wrote, A correction to my previous: Dirck Vanderbilt, bp at Jamaica > on 10 Nov 1727, was the son of Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenberg. > It was he who married Margaret Hooglandt, bp 25 July 1730 at Jamaica the > daughter of Cornelius Hooglandt & Maria Hardenbergh. > > I had the following Dirck Vanderbilt family, from Rockland County, NY, > hanging loose in my files for years. Is this the correct Dirck Vanderbilt? > Naming of children agrees. Dircks parents, Jan and Geertruy. Margritie's > parents, Cornelis and Maria. > > WILL: Derick Vanderbelt of Clarkstown, in a good state of health, left a > will dated 28 July 1810 and proved 17 Sept 1817, mentioning his children. > Son Cornelius. Son William. Heirs of my son Derick, deceased. Margaret > Vanderbelt, daughter of my son John. Daughter Polly, wife of John Acker. > Daughter Charity, wife of Aury Smith. Daughter Margaret. John Sarvant, son > of Aury Sarvant. Executors: Daughter Polly, Son Cornelius, Son William. > [Budke Wills #217] Yes, that is correct. And, thank you for the Budke Will which helps tie that family together. I have not found a baptismal record for Jan/John Vanderbilt, the son of Dirck Vanderbilt and Margrietje Hooglandt, but I believe he married Geertje Stevens: Margritje #1274; Birth Date: 27 Sep 1774 Bapt. Date: 23 Oct 1774; Parents: Jan Vander Bilt, Geertje Steve; Sponsors: Dirck Vander Bilt, Gritje Vander Bilt Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Also, I believe this Margrietje married Aury/Arie Servant 12 June 1795 in Rockland County, and they had the son John mentioned in the will of Dirck Vanderbilt. Daughter Maria Vanderbilt was baptized at Wolver Hollow as follows: [NYG&BR 73:30] "Reformed Dutch Church of Wolver Hollow (Oyster Bay), Long Island" 16 Feb 1755; Marya, child of Dyrk Vanderbielt, Etye [sic] Hogelant; wit: Cornelus Hogelant & wife Sara Wortman The witnesses were the maternal grandfather, Cornelius Hooglandt, and his second wife Sarah Woertman (married by license dated 30 April 1737). I have found one child for Maria Vanderbilt and Jan Eckerson: Dirck #479; Birth Date: 29 Aug 1788; Bapt. Date: 21 Sep 1788; Parents: Jan Eckesen, Maria Vanderbilt Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Best regards, Pam Sears

Hi Pam, You wrote, A correction to my previous: Dirck Vanderbilt, bp at Jamaica on 10 Nov 1727, was the son of Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenberg. It was he who married Margaret Hooglandt, bp 25 July 1730 at Jamaica the daughter of Cornelius Hooglandt & Maria Hardenbergh. I had the following Dirck Vanderbilt family, from Rockland County, NY, hanging loose in my files for years. Is this the correct Dirck Vanderbilt? Naming of children agrees. Dircks parents, Jan and Geertruy. Margritie's parents, Cornelis and Maria. WILL: Derick Vanderbelt of Clarkstown, in a good state of health, left a will dated 28 July 1810 and proved 17 Sept 1817, mentioning his children. Son Cornelius. Son William. Heirs of my son Derick, deceased. Margaret Vanderbelt, daughter of my son John. Daughter Polly, wife of John Acker. Daughter Charity, wife of Aury Smith. Daughter Margaret. John Sarvant, son of Aury Sarvant. Executors: Daughter Polly, Son Cornelius, Son William. [Budke Wills #217] CHILDREN of Dirck Vanderbilt and Margritie Hooglandt: *Child: John. Baptism not found. Named in father's will. "Margaret Vanderbilt, daughter of my son John". *Child: Maria. Baptism not found. [Named in father's will. "Daughter Polly, wife of John Acker." Maria married Jan T Eckerson 2 April 1787 in Tappan DRCh. [NYGBR 85:102] *Child: Cornelis. Parents: Dirck Vander Bilt, Gritje Hogelant. Born: 6 June 1757, Bp: 30 June 1757. Wits: None named. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#295] *Child: Dirck. Parents: Dirck Vander Bilt, Gritje Hogelant. Born: 8 June 1760, Bp: 10 July 1760. Wits: Dirck Vander Bilt, Sara Vander Bilt. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#426] Dirck married Sara Hennion 18 Jan 1785 Tappan DRCh. [NYGBR 85:100] *Child: William. Parents: Dirck Vanderbilt, Gritje Hogelant. Born: 14 Mar 1763, Bp: 10 Apr 1763. Wits: None named. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#1718] *Child: Geertje. Parents: Dirck Vander Bilt, Gritje Hogelant. Born: 1 Nov 1765, Bp: 8 Dec 1765. Wits: Andris Onderdonck, Wilmyntje Onderdonck. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#611] Named in father's will. "Daughter Charity, wife of Aury Smith." Geertje married Arie Smith 31 Jan 1792, Tappan DRCh. [NYGBR 85:168] They had a son John and probably the one mentioned in the will. "John Sarvant, son of Aury Sarvant." *Child: Margritje. Parents: Dirck Vander Bilt, Gritje Hogelant. Born: 1 Nov 1765, Bp: 8 Dec 1765. Wits: Daniel Martyn, Debora Martyn. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#1231] *Child: Gerret. Parents: Dirck Vanderbilt, Gritje Hogelandt. Born: 30 June 1773. Bp: 1 Aug 1773. Wits: None named. Clarkstown Reformed Church [#621] Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ===================================== In a message dated 6/28/2010 [email protected] writes: Hi Ethel et al, A correction to my previous: > This Margaret Hoagland married Dirck Vanderbilt (baptized 10 November > 1727 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 106:205]), the son of Jacob Vanderbilt & Maria > Van der Vliet. Dirck Vanderbilt, baptized at Jamaica on 10 November 1727, was the son of Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenberg. NYG&B Record 106(1975):205 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1726-29 1727, novem 10; Dierck, child of Jan vanderbilt, Geertruy vanderbilt; wit: marytie hartenberch It was he who married Margaret Hooglandt, baptized 25 July 1730 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 107:36], the daughter of Cornelius Hooglandt & Maria Hardenbergh. The witnesses were: Johannes and Sara Hardenbergh [brother and sister of Maria]. Sorry about that. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi Ethel et al, A correction to my previous: > This Margaret Hoagland married Dirck Vanderbilt (baptized 10 November > 1727 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 106:205]), the son of Jacob Vanderbilt & Maria > Van der Vliet. Dirck Vanderbilt, baptized at Jamaica on 10 November 1727, was the son of Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenberg. NYG&B Record 106(1975):205 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1726-29 1727, novem 10; Dierck, child of Jan vanderbilt, Geertruy vanderbilt; wit: marytie hartenberch It was he who married Margaret Hooglandt, baptized 25 July 1730 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 107:36], the daughter of Cornelius Hooglandt & Maria Hardenbergh. The witnesses were: Johannes and Sara Hardenbergh [brother and sister of Maria]. Sorry about that. Regards, Pam Sears

Hello Judy Cassidy, What are the dates and places of birth of Isaac Van Arsdalen and Ester Houghteling? Who are their children and birth dates? Thank you for your help. Have a good day, Jon Wenzel in Mariposa, California --- On Fri, 3/12/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] no subject To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 11:39 AM I was asleep at the wheel evidently, regarding Janice's question about Low Dutch from Conewago migrating to Redstone. Redstone was never a "Dutch Church,"  or Colony rather is was Presbyterian Church area. Nor was this area what I would consider a Low Dutch Colony, nor were Washington Co., Westmoreland and Fayette Co.  These Counties were areas where many of the Dutch migrated from various locations in PA other states, settling for a time prior to moving over into Ohio.  A few families from the Conewago Church Community removed to Unity and Greensburg, PA  after 1800 once the majority left for Kentucky and New York State. Once the main groups from Conewago, departed in 1780, 1783 and 1793/4, the Conewago church was left without a regular minister.  Rev. Black, a local Presbyterian minister who had served at Upper Marsh Creek Presbyterian Church in now Adams County, PA , served as a supply pastor to the remaining Conowago Congregation from 1794 to 1800. "From 1794 Mr. Black remained in the neighborhood of Gettysburg, preaching statedly to a Reformed Dutch Congregation which then existed in the vicinity of Hunterstown. In 1800 Mr. Black received a call from the churches of Unity and Greensburg in Westmoreland County, PA which he accepted and was enrolled as a member of the Presbytery of Redstone.  He died Aug. 16, 1802."  Several Conowago parishioners migrated to this area of Westmoreland Co., including the children of Isaac and Esther Houghteling Van Arsdale and Thomas and Annetie Hoogtely Van Tine.  In an article  "A Bit of History About Early Settlers,"  by B.V.M. McPherson, "Gettysburg Times, 3 Dec. 1960, pg. 52, which mention Monday January 30, 1843, "Melancholy accident, - On Tuesday night, January 4, 1843, five men were crossing the Allegheny River at Pittsburg, Pennsylvania, in a skiff, when a gust of wind struck and upset the boat and three of the fiver were drowned.  One of these was Garret vanorsdallen, formerly of this place.  The others were taken up nearly exausted."  Garret, son of Isaac Van Arsdalen and Ester Houghteling married Elizabeth Garvin, both of Gettysburg 26 Oct. 1826 in Gettysburg.  His sister Hannah Vanorsdal who married William irwin, 16 Oct. 1816 as did brother Isaac. Who else was in that skiff is unknown.    SOURCES; :Demarest, Historical Discourse, 32; The Centennial Memorial of the Presbytery of Carlisle, 2 (Harrisburg,  PA: Meyers Printing and Publishing, House, 1889), 68; History of Presbytery of Redstone Organized by The Synod of New York and Philadelphia, Sept. 10, 1781 and Under its care till 1788: A Part of the Syod of Virginia, 1788-1802; of The Synod of Pittsburg, 1802-1881 and now of The Synod of Pennsylvania, 1881-1889, (Washington, PA: Observer Book and Job Print, 1889) 186, Black served from 21 Apr. 1801-21 Apr. 1802.29 Barbara A. Barth, The Dorland Enigma Solved, A Revision of the Dorland Genealogy (Sandisfield, MA: Diane Barth 2006) [hereafter Barth, The Dorland Enigma Solved], 171, Isaac, Garret, Hannah w/o W. Irwin; Van Tine Family info. courtesy of Carol van Tine Yocum, 4320 S. 700 East #5, Salt Lake City, UT 84107. Judy Cassidy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ethel, You're welcome. Glad to have helped and thanks for the Voorhees marriage record for Jacob Jansz Vanderbilt and Maria Dircks Van der Vliet. And Mike Morrissey contributed the following, but forgot to make his point :-): > >From "Baptismal record of the Reformed Dutch Church at Oyster Bay, > Long Island, New York, 1741-1846 (1913)", transcribed by Josephine C. > Frost, pg 3, several baptisms are recorded with some comments. They > appear in the order shown below: > > Different writing from last three commences here > 1747, April 22, Isaac Remsen, Geertruy Vanderbilt, Jan, Jan > Vanderbilt, Margarita Hogelant his wife. (A query after this > suggesting the wife's name as Cathrina) > The next name is still in a different had from the others. > [same day] Jan Vanderbilt, Margarit Hogelant, Hendrik [no witnesses] > [same day] Jeromus Bennet, Neeltje Hogeland, Neeltje [no witnesses] > [same day] Abraham Hogelant, Anatje Durje, Neeltje [no witnesses] > > In the above records the relationships between the parents are not > stated, but can be summarized as: > 1) Geertruy Vanderbilt is the daughter of Jan Vanderbilt and his first > wife, Geertruy Hardenbergh. > 2) Jan Vanderbilt and his second wife, Margaret Hoogland > 3) Neeltje Hoogland, sister of Margaret Hoogland > 4) Abraham Hoogland, brother of Margaret Hoogland. > > Mike Morrissey I'm sure Mike meant to say that Margaret, Neeltje and Abraham (siblings), were all children of Willem Hooglandt and his wife Neeltje Adrians Ryerson, which helps to confirm the placement of Margaret (wife of Jan Vanderbilt) in that family (i.e. daughter of Willem). I've been trying to determine just how (or why) Daniel Hoogland Carpenter ("The Hoagland Family in America" p 180) was so confused in this regard, and it must be because another Hoogland sibling, Cornelius Hoogland, married (1st) Maria Hardenbergh, and they had a daughter named Margaret, baptized 25 July 1730 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 107:36]. This Margaret Hoagland married Dirck Vanderbilt (baptized 10 November 1727 at Jamaica [NYG&BR 106:205]), the son of Jacob Vanderbilt & Maria Van der Vliet. Naturally, Cornelius Hoogland mentioned his daughter Margaret Vanderbilt in his will dated 16 May 1777 [WNYHS 10:98/99], but failed to specify her husband's name. Never mind that Jan Vanderbilt married Margaret Hoogland (daughter of Willem) about the same time (circa 1732) that the other Margaret Hoogland was baptized (25 July 1730). And Jean M. Rand in 1991 never blinked an eye, and simply perpetuated the error. So, as far as I'm concerned, that has become a non-issue. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi Pam, I didn't know Jan Vanderbilt had two wives. Adding the second marriage made some pieces fall into place and you topped it off with a copy of his will. Many thanks. I greatly appreciate your help. You wrote <Jan Vanderbilt was the son of Jacob Jansz Vanderbilt and Maria Van der Vliet (widow of Andries Onderdonck), who married (Banns) at Flatbush after 13 August 1687 [Sorry, but I don't have a Voorhees citation for this > MARRIAGE: den 13 augustus 1687 ondertroudt. Jacob Janse vander bilt J:m: van manadas met maria dirks vander vliet weedu van anderies onderdonck biejde woenachtigh op het flackebos. Translation. Betrothed the 13 August 1687. Jacob Jansz vander Bilt, young man from Manhattan; with Maria Dirks vander Vliet, widow of Andries Onderdonck, both residing at Flatbush. Flatbush DRCh. Kings County, NY [Voorhees:260] Regards, Ethel Kay Konight ================= In a message dated 6/27/2010 11:56:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Ethel, > Who is Jan Vanderbilt who married Geertruy Hardenbergh? > > Geertruy Hardenbergh, daughter of Jan Hardenbergh and Grietje Gerrits > Van Blarcom, was baptized 30 Oct 1695 in Flatbush DRCh. [Voorhees:449]. > Geertruy married Jan Vanderbilt on 2 Apr 1715 [banns] in Flatbush DRCh > [Voorhees:309]. Jan Vanderbilt and Geertruy Hardenbergh had six > children baptized in the Jamaica L.I. DRCh. > > Maria, baptized on 19 Feb 1716. > Margrieta baptized on 10 Nov 1717. > Geertruij baptized on 7 Feb 1720. > Jan baptized on 19 Aug 1722. > Jacob baptized on 15 Nov 1724 . > Dirck was baptized on 10 Nov 1727 > > MARRIAGE: > Jan van der Bilt, young man, born and residing in Jamaica, and > Gertruit Hardenberg, young lady, born and residing at Jamaica. Records > of The Protestant Dutch Church of Flatbush, Kings County, New York. > 1677-1720 by David William Voorhees. [Voorhees:308,309] > > Regards, > Ethel Kay Konight According to Jean M. Rand in her "Some Descendants of Jan Aertsen Vanderbilt," Gateway Press, Baltimore (1991), pages 13-14, Jan Vanderbilt was the son of Jacob Jansz Vanderbilt and Maria Van der Vliet (widow of Andries Onderdonck), who married (Banns) at Flatbush after 13 August 1687 [Sorry, but I don't have a Voorhees citation for this]. Jean M. Rand also shows a daughter Antje, baptized 7 September 1730 at Jamaica, but I have not independently verified any of the baptismal records at Jamaica for the children of Jan Vanderbilt and Gertruit Hardenbergh [and/or Margaret Hoagland]. This same Jan Vanderbilt married 2nd to Margaret Hooglandt/Hoagland, the widow of Gerrit Hardenbergh and probably the daughter of Willem Hooglandt and Neeltje Adrians Ryerson. Margaret's parents are not confirmed by Daniel Hoagland Carpenter in his "History and Genealogy of the Hoagland Family in America" New York (1891). However, Jan Vanderbilt in his will (see below) mentions his father-in-law William Hoogland. Children of Jan Vanderbilt and Margaret Hoagland: Gerrit, baptized 9 November 1733 at Jamaica William, baptized 17 September 1740 at Jamaica Hendrick, baptized 19 February 1747 at Wolver Hollow (Oyster Bay) [NYG&BR 73:27] Abstracts of Wills Vol VII 1766-1771 pp 167, 168 Liber 26 Page 280.--In the name of God, Amen. April 30, 1761. I, JOHN VANDERBILT, of Hempstead, in Queens County, being of perfect mind. I leave to my son John £20 and the wagon he now has. I also give to my son John all the farm he now lives on, and he is to pay to my four sons, Jacob, Geritt, William, and Hendrick, £235, in six payments, in six years. And whereas I have bonds against my son Dirck to the amount of £365, If he pays the amount of £335 to my said sons, then the bonds to be cancelled. I leave to the daughter of my wife, Margaret Van Noorstrand [?], 1/4 of the money that my father-in-law, William Hoogland, left me, provided she remains satisfied with the division of her father's estate. I leave to my granddaughter, Antie Van Noorstrand, a cupboard. I leave to my wife Margaret the use of my farm and all my movables, so long as she remains my widow. "If she marries, I give her the household goods which was hers when I married her." After the death of my wife, all my lands and movable estate shall be sold. From the proceeds, I leave to my sons, Jacob, Dirck, Gerritt, William, Hendrick, and John, each £20. Of the rest, I leave 1/9 to the 5 children of my daughter Mary, deceased, and all the rest to my sons and my daughters, Margaret Dodge and Geritie Remsen. I make my sons John and Geritt, and my two nephews, Hendricus and Petrus Onderdonk, executors. Witnesses, Joris Rapelye, Andries Hegeman, Sr., Elbert Hegeman, Jr. Proved, April 30, 1768. Abstracts of wills (Volume XVII. Corrections to Vol.VI-IX and XI) p 290 PAGE 168. 19 lines from bottom for Geritie Remsen read Geertruy Remsen. So, there are still some issues regarding the above family that remain unresolved. Regards, Pam Sears

Hi again Ethel, Here are the baptismal records from Jamaica, all Kenn Stryker-Rodda transcriptions: First wife, Geertruij Hardenbergh: NYG&B Record 105(1974):207 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1714-16 1716, 19 Feb. Maria, child of Jan Van der Bilt, Geertie V: Der Bilt; wit: Jacob Van der Bilt, Maria Van der Bilt NYG&B Record 106(1975):21 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1717-20 1717, 9BR 10; Margrieta, child of Jan Van Der Bilt, Geertuij V. D. Bilt; wit: Jan Hardenbergh, Grietie Hardenbergh NYG&B Record 106(1975):26 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1717-20 1720, Feb 7. Geertruij, child of Jan Van Der Bilt, Geertruij V: Der Bilt; wit: Adriaen Onderdonck, Sara Onderdonck NYG&B Record 106(1975):91 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1720-23 1722, Augus. 19; Jan, child of Jan vanderbelt, geertruy Vanderbelt; wit: Aart Remsen, geese Remsen NYG&B Record 106(1975):141 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1723-25 1724, Novem 15; Jacob, child of Jan Vanderbelt, Geertruy Vanderbelt; wit: Coobus Vanderbelt, Helletie Vanderbelt NYG&B Record 106(1975):205 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1726-29 1727, novem 10; Dierck, child of Jan vanderbilt, Geertruy vanderbilt; wit: marytie hartenberch NYG&B Record 107(1976):36 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1729-32 1730, Sep. 7; Antie, child of Jan vanderbilt, Geertruy vanderbilt; no witnesses Second wife, Margriet Hooglandt: NYG&B Record 107(1976):106 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1733-34 1733, novem. 9; Gerret, child of Jan vanderbilt, Margrita vanderbilt; no witnesses NYG&B Record 107(1976):209 First Reformed Dutch ch., Jamaica, bapt., 1737-41 1740, desem. 19; Willem, child of Jan vanderbilt, Marregritie vanderbilt; no witnesses Regards, Pam Sears