Who is Derick A Wannamaker. Property seized because he joined the "army of the King." 24 Feb 1786. Cornelius Haring, commissioner, of Bergen County, NJ to Benjamin Statwell, of Middlesex County, £726, 93 acres . . . corner to Nicholas Meysinger and Peter Wannamaker . . . seized of Derick A. Wannamaker, late of Franklin Twp, Bergen County, NJ for joining the army of the King. Signed Cornelius Haring. Wit: John Haring and John Benson. [p.96,97] Source: Bergen County New Jersey Deed Records 1689 – 1801 Compiled by John David Davis. Pub: Heritage Books, Bowie, MD. 1995 Ethel Kay Konight

Marleen Van Horne, The future is here - DNA. What you wrote is not only interesting and informative, most importantly, you did a good job of explaining it to someone with little to no knowledge of DNA. Thank you. I have Mathyjs Cornelissen, second husband of Fytje Brouwer, with two sons, Cornelis and Abram, both baptized in the Brooklyn DRCh. Who did the sons marry and how many children did they have? Thanks again, Ethel Kay Konight =========== In a message dated 9/2/2010 [email protected] writes: For the last three hundred years or so, the descendants of Cornelius and Abraham Van Horne, the sons of Matthys Cornelissen, have thought their immigrant ancestor was Dutch. This was a perfectly reasonable assumption, Matthys Cornelissen was believed to have been a resident of New Netherlands and the surname adopted by his sons was in the Dutch form, Van Horne / Van Horn. Matthys Cornelissen's oldest grandchild was born in 1720, by which time Matthys had probably died. Cornelius Van Horen married three times, all of his wives came from families of English origin. Cornelius died in 1744, leaving six children under the age of 10. Abraham Van Horn and Annetje Covenhoven had seven children over a 20 year period. Of the two sons and their wives, the only person who was actually of Dutch descent was Annetje. None of Matthys Cornelissen's grandchildren were born before his death, so they never knew him. It seems very likely, that once Cornelius and Abraham had died, none of their children had any idea of where their paternal grandfather came from. In the case of Abraham's children, their Dutch mother would have had an opportunity to give them some sense of their Dutch ancestry from her line. All of the published genealogies on this family from the first in the late 1800s to the April 1976, DeHalve Maen article, Stories derived from the 1722 Conveyance, by Paul E. Van Horn, asserted that Matthys Cornelissen was Dutch, from Hoorn, North Holland. In the bibliography for his article, Mr. Van Horn lists the 1892, Holland Society transcription of Dutch Reformed Church marriage records as the source for the marriage information of Matthys Cornelissen and Fytie Adam Brouwer. The problem with these transcription is that they only list the name of the bride and groom, and give the date. The original record included identifying facts about the bride and groom. Betrothed 20 February (1692) Matys Cornelisen van Jutlandt, young man, with Fytie Adam Brouwer, widow of Evert Hendricks, both residing at Brooklyn. Until the late 1990s, it is doubtful that most researchers of this family ever saw the original text of the marriage record. In the 1600s, as now, Jutland formed a large part of the country of Denmark. On Jutland, there are two small towns named Horne, one in Hjorring and one in Ribe. So, the surname Van Horne, could be a reference to either of these towns. The Van Horne yDNA Project at Family Tree DNA, has just received the 67 marker yDNA test results of a descendant of Niels Christensen, who was born 14 October 1873 in Copenhagen, Denmark and immigrated to Oakland, California in 1905. These test results match the six descendants of Abraham Van Horn who are already participating in the Van Horne project with a genetic distance of 3 to 5 generations. This basically means that Matthys Cornelissen and Niels Christiansen had a common ancestor who lived at least 233 years ago and confirms the Danish origin of Matthys Cornelissen. To see the test results of Niels Christiansen as compared to the descendants of Matthys Cornelissen go to: www.familytreedna.com/public/VanHorne and click on yResults. Marleen Van Horne

I seem to recall a couple of times running across the assertion, unsourced and time period not specified, that only about 40 percent of the inhabitants of New Amsterdam were actually Dutch. --pete ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marleen Van Horne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Horne-DNA and the origin of Matthys Cornelissen > For the last three hundred years or so, the descendants of Cornelius and > Abraham Van Horne, the sons of Matthys Cornelissen, have thought their > immigrant ancestor was Dutch. > > This was a perfectly reasonable assumption, Matthys Cornelissen was > believed to have been a resident of New Netherlands and the surname > adopted by his sons was in the Dutch form, Van Horne / Van Horn. > > Matthys Cornelissen's oldest grandchild was born in 1720, by which time > Matthys had probably died. Cornelius Van Horen married three times, all > of his wives came from families of English origin. Cornelius died in > 1744, leaving six children under the age of 10. Abraham Van Horn and > Annetje Covenhoven had seven children over a 20 year period. Of the two > sons and their wives, the only person who was actually of Dutch descent > was Annetje. None of Matthys Cornelissen's grandchildren were born > before his death, so they never knew him. It seems very likely, that > once Cornelius and Abraham had died, none of their children had any idea > of where their paternal grandfather came from. In the case of Abraham's > children, their Dutch mother would have had an opportunity to give them > some sense of their Dutch ancestry from her line. > > All of the published genealogies on this family from the first in the > late 1800s to the April 1976, DeHalve Maen article, Stories derived from > the 1722 Conveyance, by Paul E. Van Horn, asserted that Matthys > Cornelissen was Dutch, from Hoorn, North Holland. > > In the bibliography for his article, Mr. Van Horn lists the 1892, > Holland Society transcription of Dutch Reformed Church marriage records > as the source for the marriage information of Matthys Cornelissen and > Fytie Adam Brouwer. The problem with these transcription is that they > only list the name of the bride and groom, and give the date. The > original record included identifying facts about the bride and groom. > > Betrothed 20 February (1692) > > Matys Cornelisen van Jutlandt, young man, with > Fytie Adam Brouwer, widow of Evert Hendricks, > both residing at Brooklyn. > > Until the late 1990s, it is doubtful that most researchers of this > family ever saw the original text of the marriage record. > > In the 1600s, as now, Jutland formed a large part of the country of > Denmark. On Jutland, there are two small towns named Horne, one in > Hjorring and one in Ribe. So, the surname Van Horne, could be a > reference to either of these towns. > > The Van Horne yDNA Project at Family Tree DNA, has just received the 67 > marker yDNA test results of a descendant of Niels Christensen, who was > born 14 October 1873 in Copenhagen, Denmark and immigrated to Oakland, > California in 1905. These test results match the six descendants of > Abraham Van Horn who are already participating in the Van Horne project > with a genetic distance of 3 to 5 generations. This basically means > that Matthys Cornelissen and Niels Christiansen had a common ancestor > who lived at least 233 years ago and confirms the Danish origin of > Matthys Cornelissen. > > To see the test results of Niels Christiansen as compared to the > descendants of Matthys Cornelissen go to: > > www.familytreedna.com/public/VanHorne > > and click on yResults. > > Marleen Van Horne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For the last three hundred years or so, the descendants of Cornelius and Abraham Van Horne, the sons of Matthys Cornelissen, have thought their immigrant ancestor was Dutch. This was a perfectly reasonable assumption, Matthys Cornelissen was believed to have been a resident of New Netherlands and the surname adopted by his sons was in the Dutch form, Van Horne / Van Horn. Matthys Cornelissen's oldest grandchild was born in 1720, by which time Matthys had probably died. Cornelius Van Horen married three times, all of his wives came from families of English origin. Cornelius died in 1744, leaving six children under the age of 10. Abraham Van Horn and Annetje Covenhoven had seven children over a 20 year period. Of the two sons and their wives, the only person who was actually of Dutch descent was Annetje. None of Matthys Cornelissen's grandchildren were born before his death, so they never knew him. It seems very likely, that once Cornelius and Abraham had died, none of their children had any idea of where their paternal grandfather came from. In the case of Abraham's children, their Dutch mother would have had an opportunity to give them some sense of their Dutch ancestry from her line. All of the published genealogies on this family from the first in the late 1800s to the April 1976, DeHalve Maen article, Stories derived from the 1722 Conveyance, by Paul E. Van Horn, asserted that Matthys Cornelissen was Dutch, from Hoorn, North Holland. In the bibliography for his article, Mr. Van Horn lists the 1892, Holland Society transcription of Dutch Reformed Church marriage records as the source for the marriage information of Matthys Cornelissen and Fytie Adam Brouwer. The problem with these transcription is that they only list the name of the bride and groom, and give the date. The original record included identifying facts about the bride and groom. Betrothed 20 February (1692) Matys Cornelisen van Jutlandt, young man, with Fytie Adam Brouwer, widow of Evert Hendricks, both residing at Brooklyn. Until the late 1990s, it is doubtful that most researchers of this family ever saw the original text of the marriage record. In the 1600s, as now, Jutland formed a large part of the country of Denmark. On Jutland, there are two small towns named Horne, one in Hjorring and one in Ribe. So, the surname Van Horne, could be a reference to either of these towns. The Van Horne yDNA Project at Family Tree DNA, has just received the 67 marker yDNA test results of a descendant of Niels Christensen, who was born 14 October 1873 in Copenhagen, Denmark and immigrated to Oakland, California in 1905. These test results match the six descendants of Abraham Van Horn who are already participating in the Van Horne project with a genetic distance of 3 to 5 generations. This basically means that Matthys Cornelissen and Niels Christiansen had a common ancestor who lived at least 233 years ago and confirms the Danish origin of Matthys Cornelissen. To see the test results of Niels Christiansen as compared to the descendants of Matthys Cornelissen go to: www.familytreedna.com/public/VanHorne and click on yResults. Marleen Van Horne

Nicholas De La Fountaine (Fountain) (1638-1708) married Grace Dennis (1646-1708). Had daughter Marcy Fountain (1666-1727). Nicholas De La Fountaine an ancestor National Society of Colonial Dames XVII Century Ancestor (MD) cited for military service. Any connection to the Anne Fountain mentioned in your research? 1On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Willora Glee <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for your help and for answering my questions. I left town right > after > I sent you that last e-mail and just got home this morning. That is > why I am so slow in writing back to you. > Glee > > At 04:10 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote: > > Glee, > > > > > > > >Henry Perrine (son of Pieter Perrine & Anna Holmes) and his wife Anne > >Fountain had no daughter named Anne. > > > > > Calendar of New Jersey Wills. Vol III 1751-1760 p 250 (Vol 32 of > > > the Series) > > > 22 Sep 1752. Henry Perrine, of Cranberry, Middlesex Co., yeoman; will > > > of. Wife, Martha. Children -- Henry, Anthony, Nancey, John, William, > > > Joseph, Martha, and James. Real and personal estate. Executors -- the > > > wife, John Perrine and Peter Perrine. Witnesses -- John Davison, > > > George Eggers, James Farrill. Proved March 6, 1753. Lib. F, p. 92 > > > Inv. made 3 Mar 1753 by Luycas Schanck, Petrick Vance and John > > > Davison. Incl. an 80 acre farm in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., an 80 > > > acre farm in the City of Amboy, Middlesex, Co., and another farm in > > > Amboy amounting to 96 acres. > > > >Anne Perrine (who married Pieter Stryker), was the daughter of Pieter > >Perrine and Anna Holmes. > > > > > >Regards, > >Pam Sears > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for your help and for answering my questions. I left town right after I sent you that last e-mail and just got home this morning. That is why I am so slow in writing back to you. Glee At 04:10 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote: > Glee, > > > >Henry Perrine (son of Pieter Perrine & Anna Holmes) and his wife Anne >Fountain had no daughter named Anne. > > > Calendar of New Jersey Wills. Vol III 1751-1760 p 250 (Vol 32 of > > the Series) > > 22 Sep 1752. Henry Perrine, of Cranberry, Middlesex Co., yeoman; will > > of. Wife, Martha. Children -- Henry, Anthony, Nancey, John, William, > > Joseph, Martha, and James. Real and personal estate. Executors -- the > > wife, John Perrine and Peter Perrine. Witnesses -- John Davison, > > George Eggers, James Farrill. Proved March 6, 1753. Lib. F, p. 92 > > Inv. made 3 Mar 1753 by Luycas Schanck, Petrick Vance and John > > Davison. Incl. an 80 acre farm in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., an 80 > > acre farm in the City of Amboy, Middlesex, Co., and another farm in > > Amboy amounting to 96 acres. > >Anne Perrine (who married Pieter Stryker), was the daughter of Pieter >Perrine and Anna Holmes. > > >Regards, >Pam Sears > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone ... The names I quoted in my subject line, which appeared in a recent discussion on the list, triggered a memory of some research I did a while back. I still have some questions about my findings, and thought it would be good to post what I have so far. Any and all comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc. welcome! This particular line of research started when I found on p. 136 of Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume XVI. Corrections to Vol.I-V) a correction to the will abstract of William Tillyer (will written 1 Dec 1738) that states that Mary Tillyer alias Prime's portion should go to Benjamin Britten. So I went to the microfilm of William Tillyer's will (FHL #497594, which appears to me to be a transcription rather than the original) and read "Mary Tillyer alias Prine her part or Portion to be given to Benjamin Britten the said Mary Prine Son" (Note that Mary Tillyer's "alias" reads "Prime" in William Tillyer's will abstract as well as the abstract correction but the transcription in the FHL film clearly reads "Prine" in both places it occurs.) So then, when tracking down which Prine/Perine/Perrines might fit the description of Mary Tillyer's husband, I found the will abstract of a Peter Perine (will written 10 Mar 1752; abstract quoted at bottom of this message) that names Nicholas, Ann, and Mary Britton as grandchildren. So at this point I have three main questions: 1) whether or not Mary Tillyer's "Prine" husband was (or could have been) the Peter Perine of Staten Island who wrote his will 10 Mary 1752 2) if so, whether these Britton grandchildren that Peter names could be Mary's grandchildren (i.e. the children of her son Benjamin Britten) (Or else if not, which of Peter Perine's daughters married which Britton, or ... ?) 3) who might have been the father of Mary Tillyer's son Benjamin Britten? Thoughts? [As an side note to all this -- and just to muddy the Perrine/Ann(a) Holmes waters -- on pp. 25-26 of the book "The Story and Documentary History of the Perine House" by Charles Gilbert Hine it states that the above-mentioned Peter Perine's son Edward married an Ann Holmes. (Hine apparently used as a source the same info recorded by Howland D. Perrine on p. 68-69 of "Daniel Perrin, 'The Huguenot'", which states that Edward Perines's wife Ann Holmes was the only child of Joseph and Sarah Holmes.)] ;-) -- Constance From p. 139 of Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York (Volume V. 1754-1760) Liber 20, page 131 N.Y. County Surrogates Court In the name of God, Amen, March 10, 1752. I, Peter Perine, of Richmond County, being in good health. "My wife Mary is to have that part of my real estate, as long as she lives, as the Law directs," and the use of the east room in my house, and the bed and furniture for the room, and two cows, and fire wood, and the use of £125. I leave to my son Peter my silver hilted sword. To my son James £40. To my daughter Mary, wife of Thomas Arrowsmith, £50. To my daughter Margaret, wife of John Poillon, £50. These to be paid by my son Henry. To my daughter Sarah, wife of John See, £50. To my daughter Dinah, wife of Thomas Lee, £50, to be paid by my son Edward. I leave to my two youngest sons, Henry and Edward, all my real estate on Staten Island, having formerly disposed of my lands in Middlesex County, East New Jersey, to my sons Peter and William. My son Henry is to have the east part of my farm with the buildings, and he is to pay to my son Edward £30 towards building and improvements. I leave to my son Henry a gun, and a horse and saddle. I leave to my son Edward my long gun, and a horse and saddle. I leave to my three grand children, Nicholas, Ann, and Mary Britton, each £10. All the rest to my children, Peter, William, James, Mary Arrowsmith, Margaret Poillon, Sarah See, Dinah Lee, and the children Daniel Perine. My executors are to sell personal estate at public vendue, except my apparell, which I give to my sons Peter, William, and James. I make Thomas Arrowsmith, John Poillon, John Lee, of Somerset, and Henry Perine, executors. Witnesses, Daniel Stillwell, Isaac Mone, John Mesereau. Proved, November 29, 1756.

Glee, Henry Perrine (son of Pieter Perrine & Anna Holmes) and his wife Anne Fountain had no daughter named Anne. > Calendar of New Jersey Wills. Vol III 1751-1760 p 250 (Vol 32 of > the Series) > 22 Sep 1752. Henry Perrine, of Cranberry, Middlesex Co., yeoman; will > of. Wife, Martha. Children -- Henry, Anthony, Nancey, John, William, > Joseph, Martha, and James. Real and personal estate. Executors -- the > wife, John Perrine and Peter Perrine. Witnesses -- John Davison, > George Eggers, James Farrill. Proved March 6, 1753. Lib. F, p. 92 > Inv. made 3 Mar 1753 by Luycas Schanck, Petrick Vance and John > Davison. Incl. an 80 acre farm in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., an 80 > acre farm in the City of Amboy, Middlesex, Co., and another farm in > Amboy amounting to 96 acres. Anne Perrine (who married Pieter Stryker), was the daughter of Pieter Perrine and Anna Holmes. Regards, Pam Sears

I do not understand the below statement. Is Anne the daughter of Peter Perrine and Anna Holmes. You say that they (Peter and Anna had no daughter with the name of Ann). You say the opposite things in this paragraph. I am confused. Does Peter Perrine and Anna Holmes have children named Henry who married Ann Fountain and Ann who married Peter Stryker? Who had no daughter named Ann? Hope that I do not now mix you up too. Glee At 12:22 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote: >The above Henry Perrine was the son of Pieter Perrine and Anna Holmes, >but they had no daughter named Anne who married Pieter Stryker. Rather, >the wife of Pieter Stryker was Anne Perrine, a daughter of Pieter >Perrine and Anna Holmes, and therefore the sister of Henry Perrine (who >married Anne Fountain).

Hi Pam, I did mean the New Netherland Connections and 2009, thanks. I always hesitate to use the term ALL is simply because as soon as I do, some unknown someone creeps out of the past. Thanks Judy Aug 27, 2010 12:22:53 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Dear Judy and Glee, > >Judy wrote: > >> Antoine alias Anthony Fountain was of >> Staten Island, Richmond County New York. I briefly mention this on the >first page >> in my article Which Charles Fountyn? appearing in the 2990-2010 publication >of the >> New Netherland Connection. > > > >Don't you mean New Netherland Connections, edited by Dorothy Koenig? The > >article "Which Charles Fontyn?" began in the November _2009_ issue >of >that publication, and your statement (above) appears on Page 87 of >Volume 14 [and was footnoted to a conversation with Harry Macy, Jr.]. > > >> All of Anthony's male descendants apparently remained on >> Staten Island during the Fonteyn family years in New Jersey. I suggest >that would >> be the place to check. > >The above should read: "All of Anthony *Fountain's* male descendants > >apparently remained on Staten Island..." > >Glee, > >> I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above >> families. These were here in the1600s. >> Anthony Fountain& Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son >> Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse >> their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion >> Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. >> I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry >> Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married >> Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain >> married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman >> Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right >> tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the >> web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I >> have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the >> states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy >> books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, >> Glee > > >I have very little on the Fountain family of Staten Island, but the >following may be of some help. > >From: > >Leng, Charles W. Staten Island and its people : a history, 1609-1929 >New York: Lewis Historical Pub. Co., 1930, page 897 > >"Fountain, Anthony or Antoine Fontaine, who appears in court records of > >1681 as thirty or thirty-five years of age, was the first of the name on >Staten Island. He had a grant at the present Richmond Valley in 1685. He >bought land in 1686. John Fountain and Vincent Fountain, were land >owners in 1695 and 1696. Vincent, who will names Sarah Dye as his >honored mother, had his cattle mark recorded in 1701, gave his age in >1706 for the census as thirty-six, served in the militia in 1715, and >made his will in 1732. His sons were Anthony and Vincent; his daughter >Anne, married Henry Perine. Vincent Fountain, Jr, died in 1740, leaving >three sons, Anthony, John and Vincent, to continue the name until now. >The Fountain House on the Richmond Road, and one of the same name in >West New Brighton, are reminiscenses of this family." > >The line of descent you refer to is as follows: > >Anthony Fountain & Sarah Vincent >Vincent Fountain & Ann Martineau (aka Martinse) >Anne Fountain & Henry Perrine > >The above Henry Perrine was the son of Pieter Perrine and Anna Holmes, >but they had no daughter named Anne who married Pieter Stryker. Rather, >the wife of Pieter Stryker was Anne Perrine, a daughter of Pieter >Perrine and Anna Holmes, and therefore the sister of Henry Perrine (who >married Anne Fountain). > >Following is the will abstract of Henry Perrine of Cranbury, Middlesex, NJ: > >Calendar of New Jersey Wills. Vol III 1751-1760 p 250 (Vol 32 of the >Series) >22 Sep 1752. Henry Perrine, of Cranberry, Middlesex Co., yeoman; will >of. Wife, Martha. Children -- Henry, Anthony, Nancey, John, William, >Joseph, Martha, and James. Real and personal estate. Executors -- the >wife, John Perrine and Peter Perrine. Witnesses -- John Davison, George >Eggers, James Farrill. Proved March 6, 1753. Lib. F, p. 92 >Inv. made 3 Mar 1753 by Luycas Schanck, Petrick Vance and John Davison. >Incl. an 80 acre farm in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., an 80 acre farm >in the City of Amboy, Middlesex, Co., and another farm in Amboy >amounting to 96 acres. > >Therefore, your line of descent should be: > >Daniel Perrine & Maria Thorel >Pieter Perrine & Anna Holmes >Anne Perrine married Pieter Stryker > > >Following is the will abstract of Pieter Stryker of Millstone, Somerset >Co, NJ: > >New Jersey Calendar of Wills 1771-1780, Vol V [Vol 34 of the Series] pg 511 > >Will dated 27 Oct 1773; proved 27 Jan 1775 (NJA 34:511) Peter Stryker >of Millstone, Somerset County; yeoman; will of. Wife, Cathrina, all she >brought with her. Son John, my plantation, and he is to pay John Brokaw, >the heir of my daughter Magdalena, deceased, £250, when my grandson is > >21; also, to children of my daughter Sarah, deceased, namely Peter >Strycker Harlengen, £155, and Mary Van Harlinge, £50. Son Peter, >plantation where he lives. Daughter Anne, wife of Court Williamson, >£229; daughter Greetje, wife of Jores Brokaw, £229; daughter Maria, >wife >of Hendrick Banta Jr., £25; daughter Elizabeth, wife of Aaron Auten, >£204. Executors -- sons John and Peter, and my brother Johannis Stryker. >Witnesses -- Hendrick Willson, Andrew Voorhees, Peter Stryker. Proved >Jan 27, 1775. > >1774, Dec. 23. Inventory, L1,053.17.0, made by Daniel Perrine and John >Van Dorn. Lib. L, p. 405. > > >For further information on the Perrine family, I suggest you access the >following source, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy: > >Perrine, Howland Delano. Daniel Perrin "The Huguenot" South Orange, >New >Jersey: Privately Printed, 1910. > > >Regards, >Pam Sears > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message

Dear Judy and Glee, Judy wrote: > Antoine alias Anthony Fountain was of > Staten Island, Richmond County New York. I briefly mention this on the first page > in my article Which Charles Fountyn? appearing in the 2990-2010 publication of the > New Netherland Connection. Don't you mean New Netherland Connections, edited by Dorothy Koenig? The article "Which Charles Fontyn?" began in the November _2009_ issue of that publication, and your statement (above) appears on Page 87 of Volume 14 [and was footnoted to a conversation with Harry Macy, Jr.]. > All of Anthony's male descendants apparently remained on > Staten Island during the Fonteyn family years in New Jersey. I suggest that would > be the place to check. The above should read: "All of Anthony *Fountain's* male descendants apparently remained on Staten Island..." Glee, > I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above > families. These were here in the1600s. > Anthony Fountain& Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son > Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse > their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion > Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. > I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry > Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married > Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain > married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman > Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right > tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the > web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I > have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the > states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy > books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, > Glee I have very little on the Fountain family of Staten Island, but the following may be of some help. From: Leng, Charles W. Staten Island and its people : a history, 1609-1929 New York: Lewis Historical Pub. Co., 1930, page 897 "Fountain, Anthony or Antoine Fontaine, who appears in court records of 1681 as thirty or thirty-five years of age, was the first of the name on Staten Island. He had a grant at the present Richmond Valley in 1685. He bought land in 1686. John Fountain and Vincent Fountain, were land owners in 1695 and 1696. Vincent, who will names Sarah Dye as his honored mother, had his cattle mark recorded in 1701, gave his age in 1706 for the census as thirty-six, served in the militia in 1715, and made his will in 1732. His sons were Anthony and Vincent; his daughter Anne, married Henry Perine. Vincent Fountain, Jr, died in 1740, leaving three sons, Anthony, John and Vincent, to continue the name until now. The Fountain House on the Richmond Road, and one of the same name in West New Brighton, are reminiscenses of this family." The line of descent you refer to is as follows: Anthony Fountain & Sarah Vincent Vincent Fountain & Ann Martineau (aka Martinse) Anne Fountain & Henry Perrine The above Henry Perrine was the son of Pieter Perrine and Anna Holmes, but they had no daughter named Anne who married Pieter Stryker. Rather, the wife of Pieter Stryker was Anne Perrine, a daughter of Pieter Perrine and Anna Holmes, and therefore the sister of Henry Perrine (who married Anne Fountain). Following is the will abstract of Henry Perrine of Cranbury, Middlesex, NJ: Calendar of New Jersey Wills. Vol III 1751-1760 p 250 (Vol 32 of the Series) 22 Sep 1752. Henry Perrine, of Cranberry, Middlesex Co., yeoman; will of. Wife, Martha. Children -- Henry, Anthony, Nancey, John, William, Joseph, Martha, and James. Real and personal estate. Executors -- the wife, John Perrine and Peter Perrine. Witnesses -- John Davison, George Eggers, James Farrill. Proved March 6, 1753. Lib. F, p. 92 Inv. made 3 Mar 1753 by Luycas Schanck, Petrick Vance and John Davison. Incl. an 80 acre farm in Upper Freehold, Monmouth Co., an 80 acre farm in the City of Amboy, Middlesex, Co., and another farm in Amboy amounting to 96 acres. Therefore, your line of descent should be: Daniel Perrine & Maria Thorel Pieter Perrine & Anna Holmes Anne Perrine married Pieter Stryker Following is the will abstract of Pieter Stryker of Millstone, Somerset Co, NJ: New Jersey Calendar of Wills 1771-1780, Vol V [Vol 34 of the Series] pg 511 Will dated 27 Oct 1773; proved 27 Jan 1775 (NJA 34:511) Peter Stryker of Millstone, Somerset County; yeoman; will of. Wife, Cathrina, all she brought with her. Son John, my plantation, and he is to pay John Brokaw, the heir of my daughter Magdalena, deceased, £250, when my grandson is 21; also, to children of my daughter Sarah, deceased, namely Peter Strycker Harlengen, £155, and Mary Van Harlinge, £50. Son Peter, plantation where he lives. Daughter Anne, wife of Court Williamson, £229; daughter Greetje, wife of Jores Brokaw, £229; daughter Maria, wife of Hendrick Banta Jr., £25; daughter Elizabeth, wife of Aaron Auten, £204. Executors -- sons John and Peter, and my brother Johannis Stryker. Witnesses -- Hendrick Willson, Andrew Voorhees, Peter Stryker. Proved Jan 27, 1775. 1774, Dec. 23. Inventory, L1,053.17.0, made by Daniel Perrine and John Van Dorn. Lib. L, p. 405. For further information on the Perrine family, I suggest you access the following source, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy: Perrine, Howland Delano. Daniel Perrin "The Huguenot" South Orange, New Jersey: Privately Printed, 1910. Regards, Pam Sears

David VANDERHEYDEN was born in Albany, New York in about 1728. He was the son of David VANDERHEYDEN born Albany in 1696 and Geertry VISSCHER. I have seen records that state that the wife of David, born 1728, was Mrs Poyer VANDERHEYDEN. She was born about 1735. I have what I need for now on the ancestry of the VANDERHEYDEN family. My particular interest is in David junior and his wife. There are records of him trading in America in the 1750s and 1760s although his son was born in England in 1759. David died in England in 1805. A report of his death in the Gentleman's Magazine states that he was 'formerly of the East India Company's civil service' (the British Government of India). I don't know how he had time to pursue both these careers! Can anyone tell me where and when David and Poyer married, anything about Poyer's ancestry and anything about David that I cannot find by searching the web? David Railton

I have a copy of an original document concerning Vincent Fountain on Staten Island and a map of Staten Island showing the location of his property. The document reads: . “Whereas our loving subject Theunis Eghbertse of our County of Richmond, planter hath by his peitcon presented unto our trusty and welbeloved Benjamin Ffletcher our Captaine General and Governour in Cheife of our Province of New Yorke and Territoryes depending thereon in America &c prayed our Grant and confirmation of a certaine lott of land situate lyeing and being within our said County of Richmond between the land of Vincent Ffountaine and Bartlett neere the head of the fresh kills containing by estimacon eighty acres more or less and also eight acres of meadow adjoyning thereunto in the front to the said fresh kills which land was by mean assureance in the law conveyed by one Peter Buckelewen unto the said Theunis Theunis Eghbertse which reasonable request we being willing to grant Know Yee that of our speciall grace certain knowledge and meere mocon We have given granted ratifyed and confirmed and these presents do for us our heirs and successours grant ratifye and confirme unto the said Theunis Eghbertse all the aforere cited lott of land and meadow”-------(document continues for two more pages). This was signed on May 27, 1697. The Peter Buckelew mentioned in this deed was my 8th great grandfather. Douglas C. Buckelew

Fonteyn and Fontaigne might be alternate spellings to check, if you hadn't seen those before. My impression is that the actual surname was Fonteyn, but it is just an impression. > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400 > To: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fountain, Martinse, Vincent & Poillion Families > > I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above > families. These were here in the1600s. > Anthony Fountain & Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son > Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse > their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion > Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. > I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry > Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married > Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain > married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman > Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right > tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the > web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I > have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the > states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy > books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, > Glee > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above families. These were here in the1600s. Anthony Fountain & Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, Glee

David, Contributions for the Genealogies of the First Settlers of the Ancient County of Albany from 1630 to 1800<http://www.amazon.com/Contributions-Genealogies-Settlers-Ancient-County/dp/0806307293/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1282837496&sr=8-1> by Jonathan Pearson<http://www.amazon.com/Jonathan-Pearson/e/B001KHNEXM/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1282837496&sr=8-1> (Paperback - 1976) both new/used available from Amazon.com has a good deal of information on the Vander Heyden family you speak of including the will of David who married Geertruy Visscher. The print is so small so that trying to send you the page (121) might be self-defeating. I would be happy to send p.121 by surface mail if you provide an address. Willard Saunders On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:06 AM, David Railton < [email protected]> wrote: > David VANDERHEYDEN was born in Albany, New York in about 1728. He was the > son of David VANDERHEYDEN born Albany in 1696 and Geertry VISSCHER. > > I have seen records that state that the wife of David, born 1728, was Mrs > Poyer VANDERHEYDEN. She was born about 1735. > > I have what I need for now on the ancestry of the VANDERHEYDEN family. My > particular interest is in David junior and his wife. There are records of > him trading in America in the 1750s and 1760s although his son was born in > England in 1759. David died in England in 1805. A report of his death in > the > Gentleman's Magazine states that he was 'formerly of the East India > Company's civil service' (the British Government of India). I don't know > how > he had time to pursue both these careers! > > Can anyone tell me where and when David and Poyer married, anything about > Poyer's ancestry and anything about David that I cannot find by searching > the web? > > David Railton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Fonteyn/Fountain name. The Antoine/Anthony Fountain family was a separate family, no connection to the Fonteyn Family of New York and New Jersey even though at times Fonteyn was misspelled as Fountain. Antoine alias Anthony Fountain was of Staten Island, Richmond County New York. I briefly mention this on the first page in my article Which Charles Fountyn? appearing in the 2990-2010 publication of the New Netherland Connection. All of Anthony's male descendants apparently remained on Staten Island during the Fonteyn family years in New Jersey. I suggest that would be the place to check. Judy Cassidy Aug 26, 2010 12:18:33 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== >Fonteyn and Fontaigne might be alternate spellings to check, if you hadn't >seen those before. My impression is that the actual surname was Fonteyn, but it >is just an impression. > >> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:14:44 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Fountain, Martinse, Vincent & Poillion Families >> >> I have found in the Archives Abstract of wills for the above >> families. These were here in the1600s. >> Anthony Fountain & Wife Sarah Hance Vincent their son >> Vincent and his wife Anna Hannah Martinse >> their son Vincent and his wife Martha Poillion >> Vincent sister Anne Fountain who married Henry Perrine. >> I know little to nothing about these families. Also which Henry >> Perrine did Anne marry? I descend out of her. Their daughter married >> Peter Stryker. One of the will abstracts says the Anne Fountain >> married Henry Perrine. This also mentioned in the William Norman >> Stryker book. The will of Anne's father meant I was on the right >> tract but need more info. I have tried to find info on them on the >> web but not much out there. Maybe I just do not know where to look. I >> have poor eyesight so cannot drive and cannot go running all over the >> states looking for original documents. I can look on the web and buy >> books. So please point me in the right direction. Thank you, >> Glee >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message >

Nora, Thanks for checking. This is a big help to me. Mike Morrissey -------------------------------------------------- From: "Nora Probasco" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:44 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Brookly Baptism verification > Hi Mike, > > Here is what is in the "Old First Reformed Church of Brooklyn" by Jos Van > Der Linde, p. 136 > > 1696, October 18: > - Jannitje; parents: Hendrik Jansen, Geertje Andriesse; > witnesses: Benjamin Hegeman, Geertruijt Hegeman. > > Nora > > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:23 PM, mike <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The baptismal record below was taken from the transcription done by the >> Holland Society of the records of the Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, >> New >> York. >> Can someone who has access to the transcription done by A.P.G. Jos Van >> Der >> Linde "Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, First Book of >> Records" >> confirm the name of the father in this record? >> >> 1696 Oct. 18, Jannitje. Hendrik Jansen, Geertje Andriesse. Witnesses: >> Benjamin Hegeman, Geertruyt Hegeman. >> Holland Society Yearbook, 1897, pg 170. First Book of Records of the >> Dutch >> Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New York >> >> Thanks for your help. >> >> Mike Morrissey >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, There is nothing even near to that name in the index. Nora On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Bill Forshay <[email protected]> wrote: > Nora: > > I've found the name spelled 142 way so far. I gave you the most used > except FORSHEE. > They are all mostly from Westchester and Rockland Counties. I was hoping > you > would find some there. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > >

Bill, I checked the index and there are no Forshay or Foshay listed. Many of the listings are patronymics and not the surnames later adopted. What would be the full name? By the way, I don't know of any website. I own the book. Nora On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Bill Forshay <[email protected]> wrote: > Nora: > > Does the "Old First Reformed Church of Brooklyn" have a web site? If > not, > could you look to see if any FORSHAY's or FOSHAY's are listed there? > > I appreciate any help you can provide. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > > > > >