Hi Richard, I will take a look. Thank you for the suggestion. Willard On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 7:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Willard, > > Have you ever looked at the Viele Records by Kathlyne Knickerbocker Viele? > Much of the information that I have on the families you are asking about > came from the Viele books. The books are on Google Books. > > Richard > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Willard, There is speculation on the origins of these folks and most of those in New Netherlands, but facts are hard to come by. One could suggest that Annatjen Gerritse van Schaijck who came from Achtthienhoven with Aert Jacobse is the sister of the Gosen Gerritse van Schaijk who settled in Rensselaerwyck a few years before, but I haven't seen a shred of hard evidence for it. That we have a solid record of her in Holland, her marriage and the birth of their daughter (your ancestor Neeltje) is more than we have on many others, and for my purposes enough. I have nothing but a name for Susanna, but I haven't l looked. Jim PS: The Viele books by KK Viele are interesting and quaint, but only as reliable as other 100 year old research, which is not very. She was the daughter of Egbert Ludovicus Viele, an interesting guy - war hero, engineer, conceived Central Park, etc; he has the largest tomb of any at West Point. ________________________________ From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 10:44:00 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen Jim, Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned that the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting my query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. Best regards, Willard Saunders * * *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing further known of them. Their children were: (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC (Reformed Dutch Church) (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m Jan Decker (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m Christina Brisjen. (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * Their children were: (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC (7) Sara. (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. * * On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Willard, > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a descendant > of > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > Cornelis > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > the > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > persuaded > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > Wagenaer > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm servant > for > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > Annetien > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > bevesticht > den 21. Junij 1640." > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > seem > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen is > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > while > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > scenario > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > relationship. > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > partner. > > Regards, > Jim Harder > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Willard, Have you ever looked at the Viele Records by Kathlyne Knickerbocker Viele? Much of the information that I have on the families you are asking about came from the Viele books. The books are on Google Books. Richard

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Willard Saunders" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:44 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Jim, > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > that > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > my > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > Best regards, > > Willard Saunders > * > * > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > further known of them. > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > Jan Decker > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > Christina Brisjen. > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC > to > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > (7) Sara. > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > * * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Willard, >> >> Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a >> descendant >> of >> Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. >> Cornelis >> Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of >> the >> man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not >> persuaded >> that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) >> Wagenaer >> who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm >> servant >> for >> Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at >> Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV >> Annetien >> gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck >> bevesticht >> den 21. Junij 1640." >> >> So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names >> seem >> to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen >> is >> geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer >> while >> his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that >> scenario >> is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the >> coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their >> relationship. >> >> The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man >> named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his >> partner. >> >> Regards, >> Jim Harder >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM >> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen >> >> Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob >> Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm >> informed >> by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a >> male >> name. >> >> I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. >> The >> partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was >> born >> 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. >> >> - >> - >> - >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Jim, Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned that the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting my query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. Best regards, Willard Saunders * * *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing further known of them. Their children were: (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC (Reformed Dutch Church) (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m Jan Decker (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m Christina Brisjen. (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * Their children were: (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC (7) Sara. (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. * * On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Willard, > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a descendant > of > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > Cornelis > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > the > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > persuaded > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > Wagenaer > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm servant > for > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > Annetien > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > bevesticht > den 21. Junij 1640." > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > seem > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen is > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > while > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > scenario > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > relationship. > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > partner. > > Regards, > Jim Harder > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Willard, Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a descendant of Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. Cornelis Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of the man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not persuaded that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) Wagenaer who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm servant for Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV Annetien gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck bevesticht den 21. Junij 1640." So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names seem to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen is geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer while his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that scenario is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their relationship. The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his partner. Regards, Jim Harder ________________________________ From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a male name. I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. The partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. - - - ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a male name. I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. The partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. - - -

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every > day. > > > Perhaps you can be of assistance: Do you know the partner of Jacob Aertse > Wagenaar who was born 1594? The partner's name I seek gave birth to a > descendant, Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen. > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > 1594 > Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen Symonse > Groot > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Try http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/nnd.html Terry Hj > > I seem to recall a couple of times running across the assertion, unsourced > > and time period not specified, that only about 40 percent of the >inhabitants > > of New Amsterdam were actually Dutch.

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Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every day. ________________________________ From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594 Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen Symonse Groot ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Van Horne-DNA and the origin of MatthysCornelissen > I seem to recall a couple of times running across the assertion, unsourced > and time period not specified, that only about 40 percent of the inhabitants > of New Amsterdam were actually Dutch. > > --pete Probably quite true, Pete. I have a "Dutch" line which is actually Italian {Burtis} and my wife has at least one French Huguenot line - all ended up as part of the "Dutch" settlers of western Long Island {old Queens County - now Queens & Nassau.} A friend had a line which came from Estonia to New Netherland. I suppose by the time you added up all the Germans, English, Scots, Danes, Norwegians, French & threw in the odd Croat, Italian, or Estonian - the Dutch would end up as a minority. Then you have the Africans to figure into the mix - since in New Netherland/New York slavery was stronger than in any place north of the Chesapeake. It would be interesting to find out the "real" % of the population - say ca. 1700 or a couple of decades earlier. David

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Several people, trying to visualize the layout of the Conewago Church, have asked me if there was a village surrounding the Conewago Reformed Dutch Church and the northern cemetery. The first Church and Northern cemetery, located along today's Swift Run Road, was built on the tract of Henry Banta and was surrounded by farms, much as the Northern cemetery is today. Both were situated well north of todays Rt. 30. But there was no Conewago Village which sprung up around it. Any industry such as tanning or blacksmithing seems to have been located on the property belonging to the individual owning the business, much the same as you will see if you visit the "back road areas" of Lancaster County. Also today "out in the country" you will come across a school or church located on a section of someones farm, the Conewago Reformed Dutch Church was much the same idea. And since the Church was strictly for this group of Reformed Dutch they did not build it for anyone but themselve! s. You might even say they were a "closed society" at that time. They were strictly serving the members of their community, unlike other groups who were actively recruiting. So it wasn't necessary to build in an area which would attract new members not of the Reformed Dutch faith. Later Rev. Cozine deeded the lot along York Road (Rt. 30) and the church moved to this more central location which was more practical for the congregation travel wise. York Road was a major route of transportation and while there were a few businesses such as a tavern located up and down the road but in those days not actually near the Church but again no village as such. The Southern cemetery location was strictly located in an area convenient for those whose farms were located in that area, however, other non Dutch families did use it also eventually. This cemetery was built at a later date. Both cemeteries are maintained by a Trust to which descendants or others contribute to so if you are interested and wish more information you can contact Arthur Weaner, 145 Weaner Road, Gettysburg, PA 17325. A few years back, the owner of the land on which the Northern Cemetery is located, tried to sell the cemetery as a "Historic Landmark" and eventually this sale was blocked. I believe at one or two times in the past, descendants have tried to purchase the cemetery and the land it sits on, but their offer's have been refused. So the cemetery is always somewhat endangered. For years we have tried to get Adams County to put up a marker, however, their criteria for what ever reason does not seem to include this. The battlefield seems to take up most of their focus, while the Commonwealth of Pa will only mark areas they feel are of importance to many across the state. Having a marker would certianly help protect it, I would hope, but than again it might just attract vandals. If you visit this area, the original Church location now containing only the Northern cemetery is still rural while the York Road church location has disappeared. Today businesses are simply strung out along the highway until you reach an intersection but no Conewago village. The casino which I am sure many of you have been reading about was originally planned to be construction near this area off Rt. 15 and Rt. 30, however, they have reconsidered and are now looking at the Eisenhower Resort Hotel which is at the far end of Gettysburg, well away from this location. However, unfortunately it is way to close to the battlefield, being next to it, and as has been said, the families who come to the battlefield are not interested in gambling which was the mis-guided thinking in the first place. Judy Cassidy

I've received some great information from my online friends that has led me to the "Second Annual Report of the State Historian of the State of New York", published in 1897. In this book I find the name of my great(5)-grandfather twice in connection with two different military regiments. The problem now, is that I don't know enough about how the army was set up back in the 1710's, or what they were doing, to get really understand what these records are telling me. Can anyone recommend someone whose passion is early 18th century US military who can give me a quick rundown as to what was going on? Thanks, Chris

My great(5)-grandfather Daniel Cooper lived in Piscataway, NJ for a few years, maybe something like 1713-1730, and I have just stumbled upon some notes written by my great-great-uncle who was doing research 100 years ago, he wrote: "In 1715 the N.J. Records show that Daniel Cooper was a member of the 4th Company (Piscataway) of Col. Ffarmer's N.J. Reg't" . Where might I find these "N.J. Records"? I've got the set of "Documents Relating to the Revolutionary History of the State of New Jersey" but I can't find a record like this anywhere in them. My great-great-uncle went on to say that: "Col. Ffarmer lived on Staten Island" . How do you suppose he knew that? My great-great-uncle then connected these two pieces of data, and said: "The N.Y. State Records give Daniel Cooper as one of the quota of six sent in 1711 from Richmond Co. (Staten Island) for the expedition against Canada" Daniel was probably born about 1695 in the city of New York, or near it on the North River, but when his father died (I don't exactly when) Daniel left home, so it's not unreasonable for Daniel to be found on Staten Island in 1711, and I guess the connection of Col. Ffarmer was enough for my great-great-uncle to assume the 1711 record was for my ancestor. I would agree with him, to the best of my knowledge there were only 2 Daniel Coopers running around NY/NJ at this point in history, and the other one was in South New Jersey with no New York connection. . Any idea where I can find these "N.Y. State Records"? Thanks for any and all advice, Chris p.s. I have much more info on Daniel starting with his marriage in Piscataway in 1726; it's his life prior to 1726 that is mostly a mystery to me right now . people having trouble getting to sleep are welcome to peruse my research here: http://www.gencircles.com/users/cscooper/1/data/353

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Hi Chris, > The common story is that my great(5)-grandfather Daniel Cooper was born at > sea in 1695 while emigrating to the US from Holland, and that his father > died on the same voyage. > > However, my great-something-uncle Theodore Cooper did quite a bit of > genealogical research, and in 1903 he wrote that Daniel's grandson John > Cooper had said: > > "My great-grand-father [Daniel Cooper's father] was born in England, from > there went to Holland and married a Low-Dutch woman, by whom he had > one son > who also married in Holland and moved from there about 1700 to the city of > New York or near it on the North River and died there leaving a widow and > among other children my grand-father [Daniel Cooper]. The widow's > house was > burned and the family were left quite poor. Daniel learned the weavers > trade and for many years worked at the trade about New Brunswick [New > Jersey] and on the Raritan . he told me his brother Immanuel settled > in West > Jersey on the Delaware." > > There is plenty of documentation about Daniel's life from about 1726 > on, but > I have absolutely no solid proof of anything in Daniel's life from birth > until then. > > Does anyone have suggestions for places I could look to find some proof of > some of these statements? > > . If Daniel's father died in New York (or near it on the North > River) between (guessing) 1700 and 1720, would any records exist of his > death? > > . If Daniel was a weaver for many years in New Jersey and New York - > say between 1710 and 1720, would there be any record of that? > > . If someone named Immanuel Cooper existed in "West Jersey on the > Delaware", what records would still exist of him? That's a unique-enough > name that if I found someone by that name in the right time period I could > feel some confidence it's the right guy. > > . Does anyone know anything about records in Holland during the late > 1600's - anything over there I should try to find? > > . I assume that in 1690-1700, there wouldn't be any immigration > records available? > > . Ship records are scarce from that time period too I'm sorry to say that I do not have answers to your main questions, and I cannot speak for anything presented by Theodore or John, which conflicts with that given below. However, it appears that the source (which is itself unsourced) saying that Daniel Cooper was born at sea is the following publication: Family Records, Or, Genealogies of the First Settlers of Passaic Valley (and vicinity) above Chatham ... By John Littell; Feltville, N.J.: Stationers' Hall Press : (1851) Pages 90-92 DANIEL COOPER. The parents of Daniel Cooper emigrated from Holland to New York, in the year 1695. It is said that he was born at sea on their voyage, and that his father never arrived. He first lived in Piscataway, and then moved to Passaic Valley, Morris County, NJ He was born 1 May 1695; married Grace Runyon (b Jan 1706) on 17 April 1726; she died Nov 1755; he married 5 more times, his last wife being Hannah (the widow of Ephraim Martin) when he died 2 May 1795. The abstract will of Daniel Cooper follows: Volume XXXVII - Calendar of New Jersey Wills, VOL. VIII, 1791-1795 p 84 1791, Feb. 1. Cooper, Daniel, of Morris Twsp. and Co.; will of. Wife, Hannah, use of negro wench, Het, and interest from £100, while widow. Grandson, John Ludlow (son of daughter, Agness Ludlow), £50. Grandsons, Daniel Cooper and Solomon Cooper (sons of son John Cooper, dec'd), 28 acres lying in the great swamp whereon John Bruse now lives; also 6 acres northeast corner of land of Daniel Cooper, Jr., dec'd and the southwest corner of the land of James Van Derveer; also 23 acres in the long field running in straight course from said Daniel Cooper, Jrs corner to Peter Layton's line. Grandson, Joseph Gaston (son of Robert Gaston, Esq.), a negro boy. Granddaughter, Charity Cooper, (daughter of son John Cooper), a negro girl, 6 sheep and 2 cows. Residue of real and personal to be sold; children of son Daniel Daniel, dec'd (male and female), 1/8 part. Son, Benjamin Cooper, 1/8 part; he to discharge obligations in which I stand as his security, to wit: bond to Samuel Wells, bond to Elias Boudinott, Esq., £5 to Richard Stockton, Esq.; also for costs of suit brought by William Neilson. Granddaughter, Charity Cooper (daughter of son John, dec'd), 1/8 part. To the other children of son John, dec'd, 1/8 part. Grandson, John Ludlow, 1/8 part. Daughter, Rosanna Gaston (wife of Robert Gaston, Esq.), 1/8 part. Daughter, Providence Manning (wife of Joseph Manning), 1/8 part. To the children of daughter Anna (wife of Jonas Carle), 1/8 part. Executors -- Robert Gaston, Esq., of Somerset Co., Elias Coriell, of said Co. and James Linn and Colonel Ephraim Martin, of Somerset Co. Witnesses -- Moses Squier, Joseph Thompson and Peter Runyon. 1792, April 24. Codicil. The bequest of 1/8 part of residue left to children of son Daniel, dec'd, revoked. Granddaughter, Lydia (wife of Samuel Annin (?) and daughter of said son Daniel), 1/11 part of revoked legacy. Granddaughter, Mary Crane (daughter of son Daniel), 1/11 part. The remaining parts of revoked egacy to be equally divided between the children of son John, the children of son Benjamin, children of daughters, Rosanna, Providence and Anna, and grandson, John Ludlow (son of daughter Agness). Witnesses -- Robert Robertson, David Burnet and John Muckkel. Proved June 20, 1795. Lib. 36, p. 67; File 873N Best regards, Pam Sears

Hi Chris, I've done some research in the New Brunswick Area in the 1700's - what do you have so far on your Cooper family in 1726? If Daniel's father was English and married a Dutch woman, he may have been escaping religious intolerance in England at the end of the 17th Century. There is a John Cooper in the NY Reformed Church register in the 1720's with a Dutch-sounding wife. Terry HJ >The common story is that my great(5)-grandfather Daniel Cooper was born at >sea in 1695 while emigrating to the US from Holland, and that his father >died on the same voyage. > > > >However, my great-something-uncle Theodore Cooper did quite a bit of >genealogical research, and in 1903 he wrote that Daniel's grandson John >Cooper had said: > > > >"My great-grand-father [Daniel Cooper's father] was born in England, from >there went to Holland and married a Low-Dutch woman, by whom he had one son >who also married in Holland and moved from there about 1700 to the city of >New York or near it on the North River and died there leaving a widow and >among other children my grand-father [Daniel Cooper]. The widow's house was >burned and the family were left quite poor. Daniel learned the weavers >trade and for many years worked at the trade about New Brunswick [New >Jersey] and on the Raritan . he told me his brother Immanuel settled in West >Jersey on the Delaware." > > > >There is plenty of documentation about Daniel's life from about 1726 on, but >I have absolutely no solid proof of anything in Daniel's life from birth >until then. > > > >Does anyone have suggestions for places I could look to find some proof of >some of these statements? > > > >. If Daniel's father died in New York (or near it on the North >River) between (guessing) 1700 and 1720, would any records exist of his >death? > >. If Daniel was a weaver for many years in New Jersey and New York - >say between 1710 and 1720, would there be any record of that? > >. If someone named Immanuel Cooper existed in "West Jersey on the >Delaware", what records would still exist of him? That's a unique-enough >name that if I found someone by that name in the right time period I could >feel some confidence it's the right guy. > >. Does anyone know anything about records in Holland during the late >1600's - anything over there I should try to find? > >. I assume that in 1690-1700, there wouldn't be any immigration >records available? > >. Ship records are scarce from that time period too > > > >I have an Ancestry account and have already checked that with no success. > > > >Thanks for all suggestions, > >Chris > > > >p.s. The line goes like this: > >1. Daniel's father (name not certain, perhaps Daniel Keiper, written in >Dutch) > >2. Daniel (1695-1795) - supposedly born at sea > >3. Daniel, Jr. (1729-1787) > >4. John, Sr. (1765-1851) - speaker of the quote as recorded by Theodore > >5. John, Jr. (1799-1863) > >6. Fred (1842-1918) > >etc. > >me > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The common story is that my great(5)-grandfather Daniel Cooper was born at sea in 1695 while emigrating to the US from Holland, and that his father died on the same voyage. However, my great-something-uncle Theodore Cooper did quite a bit of genealogical research, and in 1903 he wrote that Daniel's grandson John Cooper had said: "My great-grand-father [Daniel Cooper's father] was born in England, from there went to Holland and married a Low-Dutch woman, by whom he had one son who also married in Holland and moved from there about 1700 to the city of New York or near it on the North River and died there leaving a widow and among other children my grand-father [Daniel Cooper]. The widow's house was burned and the family were left quite poor. Daniel learned the weavers trade and for many years worked at the trade about New Brunswick [New Jersey] and on the Raritan . he told me his brother Immanuel settled in West Jersey on the Delaware." There is plenty of documentation about Daniel's life from about 1726 on, but I have absolutely no solid proof of anything in Daniel's life from birth until then. Does anyone have suggestions for places I could look to find some proof of some of these statements? . If Daniel's father died in New York (or near it on the North River) between (guessing) 1700 and 1720, would any records exist of his death? . If Daniel was a weaver for many years in New Jersey and New York - say between 1710 and 1720, would there be any record of that? . If someone named Immanuel Cooper existed in "West Jersey on the Delaware", what records would still exist of him? That's a unique-enough name that if I found someone by that name in the right time period I could feel some confidence it's the right guy. . Does anyone know anything about records in Holland during the late 1600's - anything over there I should try to find? . I assume that in 1690-1700, there wouldn't be any immigration records available? . Ship records are scarce from that time period too I have an Ancestry account and have already checked that with no success. Thanks for all suggestions, Chris p.s. The line goes like this: 1. Daniel's father (name not certain, perhaps Daniel Keiper, written in Dutch) 2. Daniel (1695-1795) - supposedly born at sea 3. Daniel, Jr. (1729-1787) 4. John, Sr. (1765-1851) - speaker of the quote as recorded by Theodore 5. John, Jr. (1799-1863) 6. Fred (1842-1918) etc. me