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Would like more information on Laurens <Wessel> Wessels and Aeltje <Hendrick> Van Bommel son named Wessel Wessels born March 1695 and married Rachel <Gysbert> Van Imburgh on 12 August 1713 at New York City. Ann Wessels daughter of Wessel Wessels and Rachel Van Imburgh was born 4 May 1737 in New York. Ann Wessels married John Ent on the 8 December 1756 in New York. Their daughter Ann Mary Ent was born 19 March 1764 in Philadelphia, PA, she married Jacob Myers 10 October 1782 in Philadelphia, PA. I have some documentation on the above, which is conflicting at times. Any help would be appreciated. I would like to become a menber of a society that documents their work for future generations. Sincerely, Albert D. Skinner
Marc, I don't know a thing about the Heddy surname, but without knowing the individuals in your line, it would be difficult for anyone to comment on the origin of the name. I'd be interested in seeing who your Heddy ancestors are, where they were and when. Family origin stories are usually at least partially incorrect and occasionally completely imagined. The more specific you can be, the better the suggestions you'll get. Jim ________________________________ From: Marc Heddy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 11:17:01 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Surname question Family tradition is that our surname ( Heddy ) is Dutch however I have never been able to find anything similar in any online database. My ancestors were in the NY and NJ areas since about the mid 18th century and probably as long ago as the 17th century. If anyone has any clues or suggestions that might help me in my attempt to research this name I would be delighted to hear from you. ---Marc Heddy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
While there is no hard evidence that Annetjen Gerritse van Schaijck is the sister of Goosen Gerrits van Schaijck, there is some indication that they may indeed be related: Annetjen's father would be Gerrit ____? Van Schaijck. Gerrit Aertsen, son of Aert Jacobs named his 4th child Goosen Gerritsen. He was born c 1676. Goosen Gerritsen Van Schaijck d 1676. The name Goosen does not appear elsewhere in the van Wagenen family, so possibly he was named for Goosen Gerritsen van Schaijck. No baptismal record for Goosen Gerritsen VW in Kingston RDC; there are no records for 1676 nor 1677. Barent Gerritsen VW (son of Gerrit) b c1675, bapt witness Gerrit Ryers, 1/2 brother of Goosen Gerritsen Van Schaijck. Annetje Jacobs VW (dau Jacob Aertsen) b c1678, bpt witness Anthony/Theunis Van Schaijck. Rebecca Jacobs VW (dau Jacob Aertsen) b c1685, bpt witness Levinus Van Schaijck. Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan
You made my day with this posting! Annetje Gerrits van Schaick -- hearing that surname raises the question of her parents and siblings? On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Patricia Heffernan <[email protected]>wrote: > Symon Symonse de Groot was a man, and not married to Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. > Furthermore, Aert Jacobsz (van Wagenen) was not the son of aforementioned > Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. In fact the children of Aert Jacobsz did not begin > using the surname van Wageningen until about 1706. The first two children > (daughters) of Aert Jacobsz and Annetje Gerrits van Schaick were born in > Achtienhoven and Utrecht. The family came to Renssekaerwyck about 1646-47. > Jacob Aertse Wagenaar arrived in Rensselaerwyck in 1637 at age 25, > therefore > he was born c 1612. Aert Jacobsz married in 1640, so assuming he was about > 26, he was born c1614; even if he was only 20 when he married his birthdate > would be c 1620, so he can't possibly be the son of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. > I have seen this misinformation posted in many places and have notified > many > of the posters. Unfortunately errors of this sort abound and seem to take > on a life of their own as they are repeated and reposted in numerous > places. > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:02 AM, <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > 2. Re: Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) (Willard Saunders) > > 3. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (James Harder) > > 4. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:02:38 -0400 > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:42:04 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every > > > day. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you can be of assistance: Do you know the partner of Jacob > Aertse > > > Wagenaar who was born 1594? The partner's name I seek gave birth to a > > > descendant, Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM > > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > > > > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > > > 1594 > > > Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen > > Symonse > > > Groot > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: James Harder <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:44:00 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Jim, > > > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > > that > > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > > my > > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, > the > > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Willard Saunders > > * > > * > > > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > > further known of them. > > > > Their children were: > > > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > > Jan Decker > > > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > > Christina Brisjen. > > > > > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC > to > > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > > > Their children were: > > > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > > > (7) Sara. > > > > > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further > known. > > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > > > > * * > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Willard, > > > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > > descendant > > > of > > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > > Cornelis > > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins > of > > > the > > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > > persuaded > > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > > Wagenaer > > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > > servant > > > for > > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > > Annetien > > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > > bevesticht > > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there > names > > > seem > > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > > is > > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > > while > > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > > scenario > > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with > the > > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > > relationship. > > > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > > partner. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > > informed > > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > > male > > > name. > > > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > > The > > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > > born > > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > > > - > > > - > > > - > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Marc, For your info, most of the people who were in the Dutch colony were NOT Dutch. The WIC (West Indische Compagnie) had trouble recruiting Dutch families to emigrate to America. So they concentrated on other locales. Nora On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Marc Heddy <[email protected]> wrote: > Family tradition is that our surname ( Heddy ) is Dutch however I have > never been able to find anything similar in any online database. My > ancestors were in the NY and NJ areas since about the mid 18th century and > probably as long ago as the 17th century. If anyone has any clues or > suggestions that might help me in my attempt to research this name I would > be delighted to hear from you. ---Marc Heddy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Aert Jacobsz (van Wagenen) was not the son of aforementioned Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. In fact the children of Aert Jacobsz did not begin using the surname van Wageningen until about 1706. The first two children (daughters) of Aert Jacobsz and Annetje Gerrits van Schaick were born in Achtienhoven and Utrecht. The family came to Renssekaerwyck about 1646-47. Jacob Aertse Wagenaar arrived in Rensselaerwyck in 1637 at age 25, therefore he was born c 1612. Aert Jacobsz married in 1640, so assuming he was about 26, he was born c1614; even if he was only 20 when he married his birthdate would be c 1620, so he can't possibly be the son of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. I have seen this misinformation posted in many places and have notified many of the posters. Unfortunately errors of this sort abound and seem to take on a life of their own as they are repeated and reposted in numerous places. Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan
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Family tradition is that our surname ( Heddy ) is Dutch however I have never been able to find anything similar in any online database. My ancestors were in the NY and NJ areas since about the mid 18th century and probably as long ago as the 17th century. If anyone has any clues or suggestions that might help me in my attempt to research this name I would be delighted to hear from you. ---Marc Heddy
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The Holland Society and Family Tree DNA are having a free DNA workshop all day on October 16th. Click on the link provided below and register as it is FREE. You need to register though and then will be sent a link to view from your computer. On the registration it tells you all about the 4 workshops that you can view from your computer. _http://geneticgenealogy-hsny.eventbrite.com/_ (http://geneticgenealogy-hsny.eventbrite.com/) Any questions please email me privately. [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) Muffy
I would like to especially encourage my Van Horn / Van Horne cousins to participate in the DNA Workshop and be tested. This is an extremely rare surname. The more members of these families who are tested the more we will about our ancestors. Genetic testing for genealogical purposes is the most powerful tool that we as researchers have available to up. This applies to all of the families we research. Marleen Van Horne Van Horne yDNA Project
Symon Symonse de Groot was a man, and not married to Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. Furthermore, Aert Jacobsz (van Wagenen) was not the son of aforementioned Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. In fact the children of Aert Jacobsz did not begin using the surname van Wageningen until about 1706. The first two children (daughters) of Aert Jacobsz and Annetje Gerrits van Schaick were born in Achtienhoven and Utrecht. The family came to Renssekaerwyck about 1646-47. Jacob Aertse Wagenaar arrived in Rensselaerwyck in 1637 at age 25, therefore he was born c 1612. Aert Jacobsz married in 1640, so assuming he was about 26, he was born c1614; even if he was only 20 when he married his birthdate would be c 1620, so he can't possibly be the son of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. I have seen this misinformation posted in many places and have notified many of the posters. Unfortunately errors of this sort abound and seem to take on a life of their own as they are repeated and reposted in numerous places. Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:02 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > 2. Re: Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) (Willard Saunders) > 3. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (James Harder) > 4. Re: Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (Willard Saunders) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:02:38 -0400 > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 10:42:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Didn't know they had gay marriages in the 1620's. Learn somethin every > > day. > > > > > > Perhaps you can be of assistance: Do you know the partner of Jacob Aertse > > Wagenaar who was born 1594? The partner's name I seek gave birth to a > > descendant, Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, September 29, 2010 10:29:46 PM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > > 1594 > > Utrecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen > Symonse > > Groot > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Harder <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Willard, > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a descendant > of > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > Cornelis > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > the > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > persuaded > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > Wagenaer > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm servant > for > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > Annetien > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > bevesticht > den 21. Junij 1640." > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > seem > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen is > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > while > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > scenario > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > relationship. > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > partner. > > Regards, > Jim Harder > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm informed > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > male > name. > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > The > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was born > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > - > - > - > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 22:44:00 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > Jim, > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > that > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > my > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > Best regards, > > Willard Saunders > * > * > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > further known of them. > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > Jan Decker > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > Christina Brisjen. > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > (7) Sara. > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > * * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >
Glenna See Hill wrote a study titled "Foshay Family of Phillipse Manor". A portion of it was published in the New York Biog & Gen Soc. Record in1987. But only a part of it was published. Is the rest of it in a library some place? It was not put in the NYBGS's library which is now in the NYC Public Library. Does any one know the location of the entire study? Sarah Clevenger
CMZ, In trying to find the parents of my ancestor Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen (1620 - 6 Jun 1667 Kingston, Ulster, New York) who married Annatje Gerrits (1624-1666 NY). I'm a rookie at genealogical research, and don't the Dutch language, and the naming system is baffling. I'm in need of assistance which goes without saying. I'm following two new leads since I posted the email you noticed: Lead 1 *"Jacob Aertsz* >From Utrech; referred to as *Jacob Aertsz Wagenaer,* and also as *Jacob Adriansz Wagenaer* (the wagoner): sailed on den Calmer Sleutel, Dec. 1637, at the age of 25, as farm servant for Albert Andriesz. He served for 1 1/4 years at the Manhatans and June 26, 1639, began his service in the colony, for the term of six years, at wages ranging from f90 to f120 a year. He is charged in the accounts with supplies furnished by Albert Andriesz, but is entered as servant of Cornelis Maesen. April 2, 1648, the court ordered him to serve Evert Pels for one year, so as to complete his term. Feb. 23, 1649, he appeared before the court on the charge of having the preceding day, with Jacob Adriaensz Raedemaecker (wheelwright) and Harmen Bastiaensz, prevented Director van Slichtenhorst from arresting Jacob Toenijs, servant of Jan Verbeeck, in the *Greenen Bos"* * * *http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/shcs.html* * * Lead 2 I think there's a possible lead in 'Settlers of Rensselaerwyck 1630-1658', excerpted from The Van Rensselaer Bowie Manuscripts, edited by A. J. F. Van Laer. I will start looking into the text of this book as soon as possible. I appreciate your kindness in writing to me. Best regards, Willard * * * * On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Cmiddaughzuber <[email protected]>wrote: > > There is definately something wrong here Willard. Symon Symons [both > father and son] De Groot/Groot are MALES as is Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. The > parents of Symon Sr. are not known. He came to New Netherland in the > service of the West India Company as a boatswain on the ship Prince Maurice > before 1645. Symon's wife was Rebecca Du Traux/Trieux, daughter of Philip Du > Traux/Trieux. > Source: Genealogies of the Descendants of the First Settlers of Schenectady > by Jonathan Pearson. > Regards, > CMZ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 8:29 pm > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) > > > > Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born > 1594 > trecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen Symonse > root > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
There is definately something wrong here Willard. Symon Symons [both father and son] De Groot/Groot are MALES as is Jacob Aertse Wagenaar. The parents of Symon Sr. are not known. He came to New Netherland in the service of the West India Company as a boatswain on the ship Prince Maurice before 1645. Symon's wife was Rebecca Du Traux/Trieux, daughter of Philip Du Traux/Trieux. Source: Genealogies of the Descendants of the First Settlers of Schenectady by Jonathan Pearson. Regards, CMZ -----Original Message----- From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 8:29 pm Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594 trecht, Netherlands and died 1652 Albany,NY. Need parents of Symen Symonse root ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
Jim, I spent the better part of the evening trying to connect Jacomyntje Swart said to be a spouse of Cornelis Fynhout (Fijnhout) with the Viele family. Sometimes I become for reasons not yet understood. The Viele is in this category. Some (possibly) relevant sites: (1) Descendants of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison/GENE14-0001.html - - - (2) *Jacob Aertsz* >From Utrech; referred to as *Jacob Aertsz Wagenaer,* and also as *Jacob Adriansz Wagenaer* (the wagoner): sailed on den Calmer Sleutel, Dec. 1637, at the age of 25, as farm servant for Albert Andriesz. He served for 1 1/4 years at the Manhatans and June 26, 1639, began his service in the colony, for the term of six years, at wages ranging from f90 to f120 a year. He is charged in the accounts with supplies furnished by Albert Andriesz, but is entered as servant of Cornelis Maesen. April 2, 1648, the court ordered him to serve Evert Pels for one year, so as to complete his term. Feb. 23, 1649, he appeared before the court on the charge of having the preceding day, with Jacob Adriaensz Raedemaecker (wheelwright) and Harmen Bastiaensz, prevented Director van Slichtenhorst from arresting Jacob Toenijs, servant of Jan Verbeeck, in the *Greenen Bos.* * * *Source: *http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/shcs.html I admit to not being able to see through either of the texts at the two above sites, which makes it difficult to make any connections. I've ordered a copy of* **Settlers of Rensselaerswyck 1630-1658*, Exerpted from the Van Rensselaer Bowier Manuscripts by A. J. F. Van Laer. Possibly a clue therein. Will On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> wrote: > Willard, > > There is speculation on the origins of these folks and most of those in New > Netherlands, but facts are hard to come by. One could suggest that > Annatjen > Gerritse van Schaijck who came from Achtthienhoven with Aert Jacobse is the > sister of the Gosen Gerritse van Schaijk who settled in Rensselaerwyck a > few > years before, but I haven't seen a shred of hard evidence for it. That we > have a > solid record of her in Holland, her marriage and the birth of their > daughter > (your ancestor Neeltje) is more than we have on many others, and for my > purposes > enough. I have nothing but a name for Susanna, but I haven't l looked. > > Jim > > PS: The Viele books by KK Viele are interesting and quaint, but only as > reliable > as other 100 year old research, which is not very. She was the daughter > of Egbert Ludovicus Viele, an interesting guy - war hero, engineer, > conceived > Central Park, etc; he has the largest tomb of any at West Point. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 10:44:00 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > Jim, > > Thanks for replying. I'm grasping at straws. Your logic you mentioned > that > the names seem to be of different origin crossed my mind and made posting > my > query problematic. I'm stuck on the parents of Annetje Gerrits. Also, the > parents of Susanna Maret in the family group below. > > Best regards, > > Willard Saunders > * > * > > *Neeltje Aertsen m. Cornelis Aertsen Fynhout (2001)* > > > > (3001) ARENT "ARIE" FYNHOUT, bp 6/18/1671 KRDC, m MARYTJE VIELE, nothing > further known of them. > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 2/2/1696 Kingston RDC > (Reformed Dutch Church) > > (2) Petrus, bp 6/2/1698 Kingston RDC > > (3) Petrus, bp 4/3/1702 Kingsston RDC > > (4) Jacomyntje, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC m > Jan Decker > > (5) Geertie, bp 10/12/1707 Kingston RDC > > (6) Cornelis, bp 11/10/1710 Kingston RDC m > Christina Brisjen. > > > > (3002) *ANNETJE FYNHOUT, nothing further known, m 4/21/1701 Kingston RDC to > JAN LEGG of Kingston, son of William Legg and Susanna Maret. * > > Their children were: > > (1) Neeltje, bp 11/29/1702 Kingston RDC > > (2) Susanna, bp 9/3/1704 Kingston RDC > > (3) Willem, bp 10/31/1708 Kingston RDC > > (4) Samuel, bp 1/28/1711 Kingston RDC > > (5) Cornelis, bp 4/5/1713 Kingston RDC > > (6) Jan, bp 2/19/1716 Kingston RDC > > (7) Sara. > > > > (3003) AERT FYNHOUT, bp 11/16/1679 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses at this bp were Cornelis Masten and Lysbeth Pels. > > > > (3004) CORNELIS FYNHOUT, bp 5/25/1682 Kingston RDC, nothing further known. > Witnesses were Cornelis Masten and Elkie Aelbertz Rosa. > > > * * > > > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:49 PM, James Harder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Willard, > > > > Thanks for taking the joke in stride; I apologize. I am also a > descendant > > of > > Aert Jacobse & Annatje Gerritse, through their daughter Lysebet who md. > > Cornelis > > Masten. I can't pretend to have done serious research on the origins of > > the > > man, but I have seen much of what is known about him, and I am not > > persuaded > > that there is a link between he and the Jacob Aertsz (Jacob Adriaensz) > > Wagenaer > > who sailed on den Calmer Sleutel Dec. 1637 at the age of 25 as farm > servant > > for > > Albert Andriesz. My doubt has been reinforced by the marriage record at > > Westbroek: "den 31. Maij 1640 Aert Jacobs j.g: van Acht-thienhoven EV > > Annetien > > gerrits van Schaijck j.d: mede van Acht-thienhoven tot West broeck > > bevesticht > > den 21. Junij 1640." > > > > So there are 2 basic problems with the connection. One, that there names > > seem > > to be of different origin - Wagenaer is occupational, while van Wagenen > is > > geographic. Two, that Jacob Aertsz came to Rensselaerwyck as a laborer > > while > > his son stayed behind and was married three years later. Clearly, that > > scenario > > is possible, but I think this proposed connection has more to do with the > > coincidental similarity of their names than the facts or logic of their > > relationship. > > > > The father of Aert Jacobse van Acht-thienhoven may very well be a man > > named Jacob Aertsz. Sorry, but I have no information on him or his > > partner. > > > > Regards, > > Jim Harder > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Willard Saunders <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:02:38 AM > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Mother of Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen > > > > Several web sites list that Symen Symonse Groot (1604- ) married Jacob > > Aertse Wagenaar. I'm unfamiliar with Dutch and names of Dutch. I'm > informed > > by a reader of DUTCH-COLONIES @ roots.web that Symen Symonse Groot is a > > male > > name. > > > > I'm looking for the partner of Jacob Aertse Wagenaar who was born 1594. > > The > > partner's name I seek gave birth to Aert Jacobsen Van Wagenen who was > born > > 1620 in Wageningen Holland and died 6 June 1667 in Kingston, NY. > > > > - > > - > > - > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >