Pat, This Belitje/Belletjie Bogert, the "Belida" Bogert who married Teunis Tiebout 18 Nov 1744, is shown by H.S. Ackerman ("Five Bogert Families") as the seventh child and second Belletje born to Nicholas Bogaert and his second wife Margaret Consilyea Van Tilburg. This Belletje was b. 5 Jun 1716 and bp. 13 Jun 1716. However, the corresponding baptismal record in the NYDRC records is for "Concelje" Bogert, daughter of Claas Bogert and Grietje Belitje. I thought that this might have been a transposition of the mother's second name and the child's, but when I checked the baptism of the first Belitje, 5 Dec 1708, the child's name is also given as Concelje and the mother's also Grietje Belitje. Can anyone untangle this? Ackerman shows Nicholas Bogaert, b. 1668 in Bedford LI, as son of Jan Louwe (Laurenes/Laurenez) Bogert of Schoonderwoert, Holland, progenitor of his line in America; but I have no primary records that confirm any of this. Nicholas's first wife is given as Belitje Van Schaick (marr. NYDRC 28 Jun 1695). Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:39 am Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? To: Dutch-Colonies List <[email protected]> > Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the > New > York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes > Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in > the > New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she > born > or baptized? > > Thanks for any help. > > Pat Wardell > [email protected] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Nancy I am sure I can but unfortunately our mails seem to have gone kerwonky. Perhaps you would private me. Thanks. Very good. HAL -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:08 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? Pat, This Belitje/Belletjie Bogert, the "Belida" Bogert who married Teunis Tiebout 18 ov 1744, is shown by H.S. Ackerman ("Five Bogert Families") as the seventh hild and second Belletje born to Nicholas Bogaert and his second wife Margaret onsilyea Van Tilburg. This Belletje was b. 5 Jun 1716 and bp. 13 Jun 1716. owever, the corresponding baptismal record in the NYDRC records is for Concelje" Bogert, daughter of Claas Bogert and Grietje Belitje. I thought that his might have been a transposition of the mother's second name and the hild's, but when I checked the baptism of the first Belitje, 5 Dec 1708, the hild's name is also given as Concelje and the mother's also Grietje Belitje. an anyone untangle this? Ackerman shows Nicholas Bogaert, b. 1668 in Bedford LI, as son of Jan Louwe Laurenes/Laurenez) Bogert of Schoonderwoert, Holland, progenitor of his line in merica; but I have no primary records that confirm any of this. Nicholas's irst wife is given as Belitje Van Schaick (marr. NYDRC 28 Jun 1695). Nancy ----- Original Message ----- rom: Pat & Walter Wardell <[email protected]> ate: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:39 am ubject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Who was Belitje Bogert? o: Dutch-Colonies List <[email protected]> > Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the New York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in the New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she born or baptized? Thanks for any help. Pat Wardell [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Who was the Belitje Bogert/Bogart who married 18 Nov 1744 in the New York Dutch Ref Church, Theunis Tiebout? He was the son of Johannes Tiebout & Maria Van Deventer, and he was baptized 20 June 1722 in the New York Dutch Ref Church. Who were her parents and when was she born or baptized? Thanks for any help. Pat Wardell [email protected]

George S. Van Dorn have a good day

many of the cemetaries in holmdel have vets of the rev. war buried in them. vets are entitled to have a monument put on their ggraves, i know the goulder cemetary on land owned by at&t have vets buried their. nicholas van dorn is one. his name on stone is spelled wrong veteran organization in the immediate location especially the sons of the amer rev have a projeect of locating rev vet graves and doing thid. i know thie to be accurate, because nicholaa doorns son william van dorn is buried in lexington cemetary pa. the local chapter and ancestors did this. the gov't pays towards this. . George S. Van Dorn have a good day

Great post, Regina! I'll try to make it on Oct. 30. Is it daytime or evening? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Regina Haring Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] family burial grounds We discovered our family cemetery in Norwood, NJ over 20 years ago. In the 1702 division of the Tappan Patent, the four Haring brothers were confirmed in large parcels of land on Tappan Road, which runs from Tappan through Northvale and then into Norwood. In the 4th generation (in 1785) John Jans Haring, the brother of our direct ancestor Abraham Jans Haring, sold a farm "exclusive of the burial ground" to his sister Elizabeth and her husband Leendert DeGrauw. When John Jans Haring died, his will did not mention the burial ground - it is one square chain, 66 x 66 feet. When George Budke read the stones in the early 20th century he noted a stone for Abraham Jans Haring, dated 1801, and said that there was a broken stone next to it - presumably his wife's - Elizabeth Mabie, the sister of the Casparus Mabie who built the '76 House in Tappan. There is no evidence of Elizabeth's stone now, and Abraham's was completely silted over when we discovered the cemetery, and all of the other stones had been lain flat as well. Through a grant and private donations the stones have been expertly restored by Bob Carpenter, and are now upright. The boro had set aside an easement for access to the cemetery, and the burial ground did appear on an earlier tax map as boro property. There are seven stones now - Abraham's, his grandson and wife (David Peter Haring and Lydia Zabriskie) and gr-grandson and wife (Peter David Haring and Betsey Bogert). There are also two very nice stones for children - a Ruth and a Bessie Hering, whose parents we have not identified. Fast forward to a few years ago and the peace of the little burial ground in a grove of trees on a little rise was shattered. The four 1950s houses which surrounded the site of the burial ground were torn down and replaced with McMansions on very small pieces of property. After a lot of time and effort on the part of the Norwood Preservation Committee and the Norwood Historical Society who attended town meetings and worked for the preservation of the cemetery, the town did officially take over the ownership of the site, re-affirming what the older tax map had indicated. However the brand-new people in the houses on too-small lots cannot stop coveting the little .1 acre bit of property - one adjacent owner removed a marker post and installed an ornamental pond where it had been, which the town made him remove. Another planted a line of evergreens which curved across a large corner of the burial site (and they all died...). Since it was already referred to as a cemetery in 1785 (I have the original deed) we know there are earlier interments there. We knew of the little girls' stones from the Budke list but they were not in place when we discovered the site - inquiry revealed that a neighbor had put them in his basement for safety. So when we returned them to the site, we of course had no idea of where in the plot they were supposed to be. Their burial does show that the plot was used by non-family members. Abraham's son Peter Abraham was married three times. It would only make sense that his first two wives would have been buried in his father's burial ground - and that his third wife - who outlived him by many years and is buried in Park Ridge - would have buried him there as well. Betsey and Peter lost a son Newton, who must be there, and David Peter, our direct ancestor, is undoubtedly there along with his two sons who died the year after he himself died. There are bones if not stones, and we do not know where in that 66 x 66 feet they were lain. There is controversy over how to protect the cemetery. The committees were willing to accept just a low stone wall to establish the boundary clearly, but then the town and the adjacent owners came to an agreement that would set the wall in from the true border by five feet on two sides, and three and ten feet on the others. The committees feel that they would rather not have a wall at all than have one that made it look as though the homes were on larger lots than they are at the expense of making the cemetery look smaller, which would open a wide door for encroachment upon ground where there may indeed be remains. This is all still up in the air at this writing, and there have been frequent articles in the Bergen newspaper regarding the controversy. The Bergen County Historical Society is having a Harvest Homecoming on Saturday, October 30, with a photographic exhibit titled "Hier Ligt Begraven: Historic Cemeteries and Family Burying Grounds of Bergen County," and I'm going to speak about our beleaguered burial ground and its inhabitants as one part of the program. The marvelous album quilt made by Betsey Bogert which the Society owns will be on display,as well as the 1785 deed, and the blue and white coverlet woven for Betsey Bogert. Regina Haring Nanuet, NY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We discovered our family cemetery in Norwood, NJ over 20 years ago. In the 1702 division of the Tappan Patent, the four Haring brothers were confirmed in large parcels of land on Tappan Road, which runs from Tappan through Northvale and then into Norwood. In the 4th generation (in 1785) John Jans Haring, the brother of our direct ancestor Abraham Jans Haring, sold a farm "exclusive of the burial ground" to his sister Elizabeth and her husband Leendert DeGrauw. When John Jans Haring died, his will did not mention the burial ground - it is one square chain, 66 x 66 feet. When George Budke read the stones in the early 20th century he noted a stone for Abraham Jans Haring, dated 1801, and said that there was a broken stone next to it - presumably his wife's - Elizabeth Mabie, the sister of the Casparus Mabie who built the '76 House in Tappan. There is no evidence of Elizabeth's stone now, and Abraham's was completely silted over when we discovered the cemetery, and all of the other stones had been lain flat as well. Through a grant and private donations the stones have been expertly restored by Bob Carpenter, and are now upright. The boro had set aside an easement for access to the cemetery, and the burial ground did appear on an earlier tax map as boro property. There are seven stones now - Abraham's, his grandson and wife (David Peter Haring and Lydia Zabriskie) and gr-grandson and wife (Peter David Haring and Betsey Bogert). There are also two very nice stones for children - a Ruth and a Bessie Hering, whose parents we have not identified. Fast forward to a few years ago and the peace of the little burial ground in a grove of trees on a little rise was shattered. The four 1950s houses which surrounded the site of the burial ground were torn down and replaced with McMansions on very small pieces of property. After a lot of time and effort on the part of the Norwood Preservation Committee and the Norwood Historical Society who attended town meetings and worked for the preservation of the cemetery, the town did officially take over the ownership of the site, re-affirming what the older tax map had indicated. However the brand-new people in the houses on too-small lots cannot stop coveting the little .1 acre bit of property - one adjacent owner removed a marker post and installed an ornamental pond where it had been, which the town made him remove. Another planted a line of evergreens which curved across a large corner of the burial site (and they all died...). Since it was already referred to as a cemetery in 1785 (I have the original deed) we know there are earlier interments there. We knew of the little girls' stones from the Budke list but they were not in place when we discovered the site - inquiry revealed that a neighbor had put them in his basement for safety. So when we returned them to the site, we of course had no idea of where in the plot they were supposed to be. Their burial does show that the plot was used by non-family members. Abraham's son Peter Abraham was married three times. It would only make sense that his first two wives would have been buried in his father's burial ground - and that his third wife - who outlived him by many years and is buried in Park Ridge - would have buried him there as well. Betsey and Peter lost a son Newton, who must be there, and David Peter, our direct ancestor, is undoubtedly there along with his two sons who died the year after he himself died. There are bones if not stones, and we do not know where in that 66 x 66 feet they were lain. There is controversy over how to protect the cemetery. The committees were willing to accept just a low stone wall to establish the boundary clearly, but then the town and the adjacent owners came to an agreement that would set the wall in from the true border by five feet on two sides, and three and ten feet on the others. The committees feel that they would rather not have a wall at all than have one that made it look as though the homes were on larger lots than they are at the expense of making the cemetery look smaller, which would open a wide door for encroachment upon ground where there may indeed be remains. This is all still up in the air at this writing, and there have been frequent articles in the Bergen newspaper regarding the controversy. The Bergen County Historical Society is having a Harvest Homecoming on Saturday, October 30, with a photographic exhibit titled "Hier Ligt Begraven: Historic Cemeteries and Family Burying Grounds of Bergen County," and I'm going to speak about our beleaguered burial ground and its inhabitants as one part of the program. The marvelous album quilt made by Betsey Bogert which the Society owns will be on display,as well as the 1785 deed, and the blue and white coverlet woven for Betsey Bogert. Regina Haring Nanuet, NY

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One problem many private family owned cemeteries have had, is that when they wish to fence in the cemetery, with a permanent fence, getting funding is hard, since they don't actually own the land and many people don't wish to put money into a project they won't own in the long run, location on someone else's property is an issue if there is not a path, and permission from the owner can be a real problem. Owners often don't wish to permit access simply because they don't want strangers crossing their land. Many of these private cemeteries don't have trustees or anyone looking out for them actually. Distance can be a destroyer. Judy

One problem many private family owned cemeteries have had, is that when they wish to fence in the cemetery, with a permanent fence, getting funding is hard, since they don't actually own the land and many people don't wish to put money into a project they won't own in the long run, location on someone else's property is an issue if there is not a path, and permission from the owner can be a real problem. Owners often don't wish to permit access simply because they don't want strangers crossing their land. Many of these private cemeteries don't have trustees or anyone looking out for them actually. Distance can be a destroyer. Judy

cassidy. don't deeds count when property is destroyd. how about suing the destructor George S. Van Dorn have a good day

This is horrible, horrible news and I extend my heartfelt condolences to the descending families! In New York, such destruction is not legal to a private cemetery that continues to bury its dead there, within prescribed and clearly defined intervals, into modern times. This is very important to those of us who want our ancestral burying places to be preserved. If your State does not have similar laws, it behooves you to work towards having the same sort of legislation where you live. Active cemeteries in NY have nearly automatic protection from such travesties as have now happened to the Hendricksen burial grounds. As long as the trustees attend to the niceties of the laws. [Condo-types should learn to buy and install curtains, or bricks maybe. Of course, it's about them, not their probable ancestors and descendants. Nor any ones' kin. It's about their stupifyingly ignorant displeasures.]. ________________________________ From: Andrew Hendricks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 2:14:21 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Destruction of the Hendrickson Cemetery, Holmdel, Monmouth County, NJ       In case you haven't heard, I wanted to share some sad news.  About a month ago, I received phone calls from the Asbury Park Press.  Our Hendricks(on) family 300-year-old private cemetery in  Holmdel, Monmouth County, NJ was completely destroyed on the orders of the Board of Directors of the Beau Ridge Homeowners Assocation  (HOA).  Even though this is a private, one acre lot on the old Daniel Hendrickson farm restricted by will as a cemetery, the Board had most of the cemetery stones removed and destroyed around August 24, 2010.  Apparently, one of the Beau Ridge Board members did not like looking at a cemetery from her 2nd floor condo window.          The whole Monmouth County community is outraged by the destruction of the Hendricks(on) Cemetery.  This is the same cemetery that some of you  visited with me on a bus tour during our 1999 Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Reunion to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of Old Brick Church.  Our family members William Hendricks(on) and his brother, Daniel, are buried in the cemetery.  They were among the first settlers in Monmouth County, NJ in 1693 and were among the founders of Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ  (also known as Dutch Reformed Church of the Navesink later Dutch Reformed Church of Freehold and Middletown.      Attached are two front page Asbury Park Press articles:    http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109120350      http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109070344 Apparently, NJ does not have laws which protect private cemeteries, only public cemeteries.  I am planning a Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association meeting on a Saturday,  November 13,  2010.  We will have a luncheon / picnic between        3-4 PM at Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ.  This will be followed by a lecture from 5- 6 PM on New Netherland and the recent discovery of the Origins of the Hendricks(on) family of Monmouth County, NJ.  We will then have a family meeting from 6 PM  onward to discuss what to do about the destruction of the cemetery.  The  President of the Holmdel Historical Society, George Joynson, believes that the cemetery can be replicated based on photos and prevous studies of the cemetery.  I hope you will be able make this meeting.  A church service at Old Brick Church will follow the next day on Sunday, November 14th at 10 PM. A formal invitation will follow.  Anyone interested in the Hendrickson Cemetery is invited.. Andrew A. Hendricks, MD President, Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association     of Monmouth County, NJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The cemeteries that I am speaking of, were old family cemeteries located on family farms which at some point were sold when the original family died out or moved west, what ever. Sometimes the next family would continue to bury family members there some times not when a church cemetery came into existance. In some cases, descendants of the original family returned to replace the crude stone marker with the more traditional stones, but often field stones were used and people discounted the fact that this really was a burial ground simply because it does not contain traditional stones. Over growth of trees and grasses often obscure their locations. Or perhaps the house and barn are gone so the location becomes lost. Many of these family farms were later purchased by large corporations, town homes, golf courses and the old family cemeteries were in the way of expansion. That being said, unless the deed contained mention of the cemeteries existence the buyer might not kno! w or realized it existed. But in Montgomery Twp. Somerset Co., the historical society has always been ahead of the game in their watch dog observations to ensure that no one removed or damaged a family cemetery. They have done a great job. I must say, that I had quite a go around with the farmer on the Dorland farm, now a re-habit unit for women, who swore up and down that no cemetery existed. However, the marker erected in 1940's still stood as did a few of the non-traditional stones so he had to back down. I don't know what its future is, however. We are all growing older, and there does not seem to be younger family members interested or willing to step in and keep an eye out. Not only that but regarding deeds, for the most part only the mortgages exist for the early years in that part of NJ, people were not required to register or record deeds until the latter part of the 1700's or so and most families did not do so. Wills might contain that kind of information,! if one was left, if not, family histories are often the only ! way to g et any information on them, although of course many early maps did record their existance. So as I said, when people quite taking trips by car, which in many cases included stopping to check out the old family cemeteries, it really impacted on their existence. Our family trips always included these stops along the way, and usually some kind of relationship sprung up between my parents and those who owned the land on which they existed, my husband and I also did the same thing. Today everyone flies so I have to say, that is probably one of the major reasons no one is checking up on these cemeteries. When you drove, it was part of the trip. Judy Oct 12, 2010 07:29:49 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== cassidy. don't deeds count when property is destroyd. how about suing the destructor > >George S. Van Dorn have a good day > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message >

That's depressing, but I can believe it. My grandfather was buried in Philadelphia in 1887 (Glenwood Cemetery, 27th and Ridge). In the 20's the cemetery was dug up and the remains removed to another cemetery of the same name (Glenwood, Broomall Pa.). Accounts of the time talk about grave robbing of the remains as they were excavated. And reburial of remains in a mass grave. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 4:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually Judy, unless the laws have changed, in PA if there hasn't been a > burial in 20 years and the graveyard isn't listed as a historical site you > CAN remove the stones and do what you want. I used to work recording > older > cemeteries. The nightmare stories I can tell you. I know of one > graveyard that they removed the stones in order for the land owners to > resell the > plots. I know of a graveyard called the Dale Cemetery in Clearfield > County, > PA where the church caretaker pokes a rod down through the ground of an > old grave. If there is no resistance they resell the grave. We recorded > the > Dale cemetery and went back a week later to recheck our data entry. One > stone we had listed was missing. The caretaker was there and he told us > he > had buried the stone (strange, but the ground wasn't dug up). > > When they built the new prison on Clearfield they had to remove a > graveyard. They dug up the coffins, had them lined up on the side of the > road for > weeks. When they finally loaded them on the trucks the guys doing the > work > were rifling through the caskets for rings and things. What happened to > the coffins after that no one knows. I have records of the graveyards in > that county and these coffins were never added. True story, my Uncle was > a > witness. The only reason that the old Perks cemetery was left where it > was > is because someone was buried there within the past 20 years and they > couldn't touch it. This is how I learned about the 20 year law. I have > the law > as it pertains to old graveyards in PA in my computer somewhere. If > anyone wants it I can try to find it for them. > > Renee Waring > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Actually Judy, unless the laws have changed, in PA if there hasn't been a burial in 20 years and the graveyard isn't listed as a historical site you CAN remove the stones and do what you want. I used to work recording older cemeteries. The nightmare stories I can tell you. I know of one graveyard that they removed the stones in order for the land owners to resell the plots. I know of a graveyard called the Dale Cemetery in Clearfield County, PA where the church caretaker pokes a rod down through the ground of an old grave. If there is no resistance they resell the grave. We recorded the Dale cemetery and went back a week later to recheck our data entry. One stone we had listed was missing. The caretaker was there and he told us he had buried the stone (strange, but the ground wasn't dug up). When they built the new prison on Clearfield they had to remove a graveyard. They dug up the coffins, had them lined up on the side of the road for weeks. When they finally loaded them on the trucks the guys doing the work were rifling through the caskets for rings and things. What happened to the coffins after that no one knows. I have records of the graveyards in that county and these coffins were never added. True story, my Uncle was a witness. The only reason that the old Perks cemetery was left where it was is because someone was buried there within the past 20 years and they couldn't touch it. This is how I learned about the 20 year law. I have the law as it pertains to old graveyards in PA in my computer somewhere. If anyone wants it I can try to find it for them. Renee Waring

Here is the web site to check out. www.dgs.state.pa.us/...pt/.../pennsylvania_laws...cemeteries/1956 This is from the Commonwealth of PA. Judy Oct 11, 2010 04:06:39 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Actually Judy, unless the laws have changed, in PA if there hasn't been a >burial in 20 years and the graveyard isn't listed as a historical site you > >CAN remove the stones and do what you want. I used to work recording older > >cemeteries. The nightmare stories I can tell you. I know of one >graveyard that they removed the stones in order for the land owners to resell > the >plots. I know of a graveyard called the Dale Cemetery in Clearfield County, > >PA where the church caretaker pokes a rod down through the ground of an >old grave. If there is no resistance they resell the grave. We recorded the > >Dale cemetery and went back a week later to recheck our data entry. One >stone we had listed was missing. The caretaker was there and he told us he > >had buried the stone (strange, but the ground wasn't dug up). > >When they built the new prison on Clearfield they had to remove a >graveyard. They dug up the coffins, had them lined up on the side of the road >for >weeks. When they finally loaded them on the trucks the guys doing the work > >were rifling through the caskets for rings and things. What happened to >the coffins after that no one knows. I have records of the graveyards in >that county and these coffins were never added. True story, my Uncle was a > >witness. The only reason that the old Perks cemetery was left where it was > >is because someone was buried there within the past 20 years and they >couldn't touch it. This is how I learned about the 20 year law. I have >the law >as it pertains to old graveyards in PA in my computer somewhere. If >anyone wants it I can try to find it for them. > >Renee Waring > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message >

Hi Albert, Marriage Banns were published for Wessel Evertszen and Geertje Bouwkens on 15 March 1643 in the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam as follows: 1643; 15 Mart. "Wessel Evertzen, j.m. Van Naerden, en Geertie Bouwkens, j.d. als vooren." The above is taken from "Records of the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam and New York; Marriages" which was edited by Samuel S. Purple and published in 1890 as the Collections of the New York Genealogical & Biographical Society, Volume I (page 12). Baptismal records will be taken from "Records of the Reformed Dutch church of New Amsterdam and New York," Baptisms 1639-1730 [Vol II, edited by Thomas Grier Evans] and Baptisms 1731-1801 [Vol III, edited by Tobias A. Wright] You wrote: > Would like more information on Laurens<Wessel> Wessels and Aeltje<Hendrick> Van > Bommel son named Wessel Wessels born March 1695 and married Rachel<Gysbert> Van > Imburgh on 12 August 1713 at New York City. Laurens Wessels was baptized in the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam on 16 April 1651 [Volume II, page 29 of the published records]: 1651, 16 Apr; Wessel Evertszen; Laurens; Jan Teuniszen, Grietie Hendricks Laurens Wessels (Banns 10 November 1678) married Aeltje Jans (van Bommel) on 11 December 1678 in the Reformed Dutch Church of New York, and the record reads [Volume 1, page 45 of the published records]: 1678, 11 Dec; Laurens Wesselszen, j.m. Van N. York, en Aeltje Jans, j.d. als boven Aeltje Jans (van Bommel) was the daughter of Jan Hendricksz and Lysbeth Jans (his 1st wife), and was baptized in the Reformed Dutch Church of New Amsterdam on 20 February 1658 [Vol II, page 48] as follows: 1658, 20 Feb; Jan Hendr. Bommel, Lysbeth Jans; Aeltje; Jan Adriaenszen, Styntie Jans Their son Wessel was baptized in New York on 6 March 1695 [Vol II, page 224]: 1695, 6 Mar; Laurens Wesselsz., Aeltje Jans; Wessel; Wessel Evertszen, Geertje Everts Wessel Wessels married Rachel van Imburgh on 12 August 1714 in the New York Dutch Church: 1714, Aug 12; Wessel Wesselsze & Racel Van Imburg Rachel Van Imburgh was baptized on 11 April 1697 [Volume II, page 243] in the New York Dutch Church, the daughter of Gysbert Van Imburgh and Jannetje Pieters Mesier, who had married there on 4 June 1688 [Vol I, page 64]: With Banns proclaimed 12 May, Gysbert Van Imburg, j.m. van Kingstouwne, en Jannetje Messuer, j.d. van N. Yorke, beyde woonende alhier. den 4 Jun 1688. 1697, Apr 11; Gysbert Van Imburg, Jannetje Mesier; Rachel; Johannes Kip, Elisabeth van Kouwenhoven See the following article which appeared in the New York Genealogical & Biographical Record: [NYG&BR 58 (Apr 1927):172-180] & [NYG&BR 59 (Jan 1928):77-83] "The Mesier Family of New Amsterdam and Wappingers Falls" by Rev. Creighton Spencer-Mounsey Rachel Van Imburgh is mentioned on page 177 and Anna Wessels on page 178 of the above article. You wrote: > Ann Wessels daughter of Wessel Wessels and Rachel Van Imburgh was born 4 May 1737 in > New York. Ann Wessels married John Ent on the 8 December 1756 in New York. Their > daughter Ann Mary Ent was born 19 March 1764 in Philadelphia, PA, she married Jacob > Myers 10 October 1782 in Philadelphia, PA. > Anna Wessels, the daughter of Wessel Wessels and Rachel Van Imburgh, was baptized 15 June 1735 in the New York Dutch Church [Vol III, page 43] as follows: 1735, Jun 15; Wessel Wessels, Rachel Van Imburg; Anna; Obadia Huntt, Jannetje Wessels, s.h.v. She married John Ent by NY License dated 7 December 1756: Names of Persons for whom Marriage Licenses were issued by the Secretary of the Province of New York Previous to 1784 (edited and transcribed by E. B. O'Callaghan) Pages 130, 453 [M. B. Vol. l, page. 376]. 1756. Dec. 7. Wessels, Ann, and John Ent Lois Stewart, an excellent researcher and Dutch-Colonies List member, on her de la Montagne website (RootsWeb), also lists the following source: "Ent-Hensel Bible, 1737-1911" Vineland Historical Magazine; Vineland, NJ Historical Society Library Page: October 1929. Vol. 14, Iss. 4. See: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=delamontagne&id=I00925 Sorry, but I cannot verify the dates shown in Philadelphia. The elder siblings of Ann Mary Ent (born 1764), (viz. Sybilee in 1758, John Wessel in 1760 and Rachel in 1761) were all baptized in the First Presbyterian Church of the City of New York [see NYG&B Record, Oct 1873 and Apr 1874] and her younger brother Stephen Ent was baptized 20 April 1766 in the Reformed Dutch Church of New York. Regards, Pam Sears

My understanding is that in New Jersey, family cemeteries are protected by State Law. I know in Montgomery Twp. that they certianly are, however annoyed a business or condo is that owns the property it sits on. You will find that most of these organizations are very ignorant about them, unless someone actually is associated with a family cemetery. Family cemeteries are also protected in PA. Many years ago, the woman who owned the land that the northern cemetery at Conewago near Gettysburg tried to sell or auction this as a "Historic Cemetery" and the law stepped in and stopped the sale. NC protects their family cemeteries, you see them everywhere in the middle of fields. I believe it is important that everyone who has family members buried in one of the cemeteries, even if there are only three stones standing, should become familiar with the laws of that state and township. It is very difficult when you live, even as I do here near Philadelphia, to keep an eye on the Dorland cemetery. We were once told it had been destroyed when a septic system was put in, however, that was not true. Farmers, builders, businesses, really hate family cemeteries unfortunately and they are often destroyed before any family member knows about it. Now sometimes, there is an agreement, especially in cities, to more the stones and bodies to a different location. In Ill. such a cemetery exists for the Steers family in the middle of the golf course and the golf course owner's maintain it beautifully. I am very sorry to hear about this destruction. Did they just remove the stones, or did they dig up family members also. If it is only the stones, which it can be difficult to reset them back in the correct location, you still might be able to check and see if any one has taken photo's and use those for restoration. Often people are extremely supersititous about cemeteries. When Lambert Dorlands family on Sunset Road, in Skillman, NJ was owned by a family back in the 1940's, they used it as a trash dump, and went out of their way to avoid it, best as they could. Family maintaining your cemetery in an attractive way, is essential, but doesn't always work. One year, a major company in NJ volunteered and came out to restore and clean up our Dorland cemetery, however, due to lack of interest of the family, distance from the cemetery, and the location of the cemetery its self as well as the rapid grown of tall grass, wild canes, it is back to dissappearing under a jungle ! of growth. Truthfully when the farmer who once grazed his cows there, departed, it all went down hill. At one time, we did have a descendant who was willing to provide an iron fence, but the woman in charge went about it in a way that took so long, he died before it was acomplished. The local boy scouts came out and put up a fence and a lovely sign but the farmer's cows knocked it down and destroyed it. Sometimes it is simply and completely frustrating. I know that Walter Baker of the Van Harlingen Society, made a map and completed brief sketches of all the local family owned cemeteries in Montgomery Twp., Somerset County, NJ. They really got to bat for their local cemeteries in that community. On the other hand the small Dutch cemetery in Park County Indiana where my grandfather Dorland is buried in on a farmers land, high on a hill over looking the Raccoon Creek and the only way we even found the location was because that farmer was kind enough to take us up there, w! here only two stones were left, Abraham Darlands and a Smock s! tone, pr obably gone now. But we have a map. I don't know whether or not, local historical societies are willing to become watch dogs over these cemeteries, when family members live a great distance away or not, but I was also under the impression, that family members do have access to them, and don't have to rely on "permission" to visit. Perhaps this is an area we all need to become familiar with, especially for NY, NJ, and PA. Judy Cassidy Oct 11, 2010 02:14:44 AM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== In case you haven't heard, I wanted to share some sad news. About a month >ago, I received phone calls from the Asbury Park Press. Our Hendricks(on) family >300-year-old private cemetery in Holmdel, Monmouth County, NJ was completely destroyed >on the orders of the Board of Directors of the Beau Ridge Homeowners Assocation > (HOA). Even though this is a private, one acre lot on the old Daniel Hendrickson >farm restricted by will as a cemetery, the Board had most of the cemetery stones >removed and destroyed around August 24, 2010. Apparently, one of the Beau Ridge >Board members did not like looking at a cemetery from her 2nd floor condo window. > > > The whole Monmouth County community is outraged by the destruction of >the Hendricks(on) Cemetery. This is the same cemetery that some of you visited >with me on a bus tour during our 1999 Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Reunion to >celebrate the 300th Anniversary of Old Brick Church. Our family members William >Hendricks(on) and his brother, Daniel, are buried in the cemetery. They were among >the first settlers in Monmouth County, NJ in 1693 and were among the founders of >Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ (also known as Dutch Reformed Church of the Navesink >later Dutch Reformed Church of Freehold and Middletown. > >Attached are two front page Asbury Park Press articles: >target="_blank">http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109120350 >target="_blank">http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109070344 > >Apparently, NJ does not have laws which protect private cemeteries, only public >cemeteries. > >I am planning a Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association meeting on a Saturday, > November 13, 2010. We will have a luncheon / picnic between 3-4 PM at >Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ. This will be followed by a lecture from 5- 6 >PM on New Netherland and the recent discovery of the Origins of the Hendricks(on) >family of Monmouth County, NJ. We will then have a family meeting from 6 PM onward >to discuss what to do about the destruction of the cemetery. The President of >the Holmdel Historical Society, George Joynson, believes that the cemetery can be >replicated based on photos and prevous studies of the cemetery. I hope you will >be able make this meeting. A church service at Old Brick Church will follow the >next day on Sunday, November 14th at 10 PM. > >A formal invitation will follow. Anyone interested in the Hendrickson Cemetery >is invited.. > >Andrew A. Hendricks, MD >President, Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association > of Monmouth County, NJ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >body of the message >

In case you haven't heard, I wanted to share some sad news. About a month ago, I received phone calls from the Asbury Park Press. Our Hendricks(on) family 300-year-old private cemetery in Holmdel, Monmouth County, NJ was completely destroyed on the orders of the Board of Directors of the Beau Ridge Homeowners Assocation (HOA). Even though this is a private, one acre lot on the old Daniel Hendrickson farm restricted by will as a cemetery, the Board had most of the cemetery stones removed and destroyed around August 24, 2010. Apparently, one of the Beau Ridge Board members did not like looking at a cemetery from her 2nd floor condo window. The whole Monmouth County community is outraged by the destruction of the Hendricks(on) Cemetery. This is the same cemetery that some of you visited with me on a bus tour during our 1999 Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Reunion to celebrate the 300th Anniversary of Old Brick Church. Our family members William Hendricks(on) and his brother, Daniel, are buried in the cemetery. They were among the first settlers in Monmouth County, NJ in 1693 and were among the founders of Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ (also known as Dutch Reformed Church of the Navesink later Dutch Reformed Church of Freehold and Middletown. Attached are two front page Asbury Park Press articles: http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109120350 http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109070344 Apparently, NJ does not have laws which protect private cemeteries, only public cemeteries. I am planning a Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association meeting on a Saturday, November 13, 2010. We will have a luncheon / picnic between 3-4 PM at Old Brick Church in Marlboro, NJ. This will be followed by a lecture from 5- 6 PM on New Netherland and the recent discovery of the Origins of the Hendricks(on) family of Monmouth County, NJ. We will then have a family meeting from 6 PM onward to discuss what to do about the destruction of the cemetery. The President of the Holmdel Historical Society, George Joynson, believes that the cemetery can be replicated based on photos and prevous studies of the cemetery. I hope you will be able make this meeting. A church service at Old Brick Church will follow the next day on Sunday, November 14th at 10 PM. A formal invitation will follow. Anyone interested in the Hendrickson Cemetery is invited.. Andrew A. Hendricks, MD President, Hendricks and Hendrickson Family Association of Monmouth County, NJ

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