Does anyone know if the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) records can still be easily accessed on line. It used to be you could simply type in Bureau of Land Management, click on what you wanted, and you had access to the original records. Judy

The further west you come the more BLM land there is,Nevada is about 70%,Kalitaxia 46%,if sold would cancel National debt. On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 11:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone know if the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) records can still > be easily accessed on line. It used to be you could simply type in Bureau of > Land Management, click on what you wanted, and you had access to the > original records. > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I see, for what ever reason, I included the surname Snedecker into Anna's name, when it fact, it is Anna/Annatje Remsen, Anna Snedeker was her daugher in law, wife of Rem Dorlands. Just wanted to clear that up. Judy

Mike Morrissey had an interesting thought regarding this situation. He pointed out to me that two of the male sponsors were from the family of Jan Gerritse Dorland and perhaps Marytje had a strong connection to this family.. Looking at this with new eyes today, in the past Barbara and I had previously thought that Jan, the male sponsor of Annetje was the brother of Gerret Lamberts Dorland, but in actuality he was probably the brother of Rem. Their younger brother Abraham, born in 1690 would have been age 19 and Gerret and Marytje's son Abraham could have been named after him. Perhaps this Abraham was baby Abraham's sponsor. Annetje could have been named after Anna Snedecker Remsen, wife of Jan Gerritszen. Anna Snedecker, Jan's wife, was known as Annatje Dorland when she was a sponsor for the baptism of Cathrijntje, daughter of their son Jan and Marrejte Vandervere 19 July 1705. Ryck Suydam was the son-law of Jan Gerritsen Dorlandt Sr., husband of Jan’s daughter Jannetje. It appears that the known male sponsors were chosen by Merytie while the females by her husband Gerret Lamberts Dorland. Since Gerret Lamberts was born ca. 1673, Marytje would have been in that age range give or take a few years. She seems more like an unknown daughter of the family of Jan Gerritse, vs. a widowed daughter in law. She could also have been the child of Jan Gerritse and his first wife Gerritse, I suppose although that might be a little early age wise. She had to have been born at least by 1675 if not earlier. She could also have been an adopted daughter, not uncommon in those days. Between 1704 and 1714, the family of Geerret and Marytje moved from the Brooklyn area to the Jamaica area. I already checked available records on Staten Island where the grandparents, Lambert Janse and Harmptje were living after 1690 and did not see anything recorded in that church. I also don't understand why were have two missing baptisms for Jannetje and Jan which normally would have been in Brooklyn, unless they traveled else where for the baptism. Your thoughts are always appreciated. Judy REVISED BAPTISMAL SPONSORS OF THE CHILDREN OF GERRET LAMBERTS DORLAND AND MARYTJE Harmptje, bap 20 May 1695, Brooklyn, sponsors Rem Dorland and Bennejte. Jannetje ca. 1700, sponsors and baptismal location unknown, possibly Jannetje, sister of Marytje, dau. of Jan Gerritse Jan ca. 1702, sponsors and baptismal location, unknown, possibly named after the maternal grandfather Jan Gerritse who may have been his sponsor. Annetje bp 14 Nov 1704, Brooklyn, sponsors Jan Dorlandt, Lena Dorlandt, named for Annatje/Anna Snedecker Dorland. Garret, b. 1707 sponsors and baptismal location unknown, named for Garret. Abraham b. 1709, baptismal location unknown, male sponsor perhaps Abraham, son of Jan Gerritse b. ca. 1690 Lammert 1711, baptismal location unknown, sponsors unknown, named for Lammert janse Unknown Child, may have been twin of Lamberts, unkown Lena bp. 12 Oct. 1714, Jamaica, sponsor Rijck Hendrickse, Harmptje Dorlant, named for Gerrets sister Helena/Lena Dorland, wife of Pieter Gerritsen.

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Thanks Dorothy, No we didn't and then of course Barbara became ill and we tabled all but the essential things, so thanks so much. will check into this new information. Appreciate the fact you took the time to do this Judy Dec 15, 2010 01:43:17 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Dear Judy, I have been looking through the Brooklyn and Flatbush baptismal records to see if I could find an Abraham _____ and a Jannetje ______ baptizing children in the 1670s since Gerrit Lammertsz Dorland (Marritje's future husband) was born about 1674. I could find only one such couple -- Abraham du Toict and his wife Jannetje Jeronemus Bocquet. Teunis G. Bergen has a paragraph about them on page 105 of his "Register of the early settlers of Kings County". On page 385 of the Voorhees' edition of the Flatbush records: On 2 June 1678 Catharina [child of] Abraham Du Toiet [and] Jannetje Bocquet was baptized. The witnesses were Bourgon Broucard and his wife Katharine. Bergen says that their daughter Hester was baptized on 4 April 1680 in New Utrecht (the published baptismal records for New Utrecht begin in 1718 :-(). Have you and Barbara already considered this couple who are living at the right time and place? Dorothy >It has been suggested that perhaps Maritje was actually born a >Dorland of another branch. Another thought from my perspective is >the fact that daughter #3. was named Annetje, while son # 2 was >named Abraham. To my knowledge neither name is a Dorland ancestral >name of Lammert Janse or Garrets, so it is more than possible that >these names were of Maritje's family who may not be Dorlands. >Annetje's baptismal sponsors were her Aunt Lena and Uncle Jan, >siblings of her father Garret, we have no baptismal information for >Abraham. Since Abraham never had children or even married that we >know, we can't follow his line >Annetje, however, who married Simon Van Arsdalen did have a >daughter Annetje or Ann and a son Abraham. > >Judy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Judy, I have been looking through the Brooklyn and Flatbush baptismal records to see if I could find an Abraham _____ and a Jannetje ______ baptizing children in the 1670s since Gerrit Lammertsz Dorland (Marritje's future husband) was born about 1674. I could find only one such couple -- Abraham du Toict and his wife Jannetje Jeronemus Bocquet. Teunis G. Bergen has a paragraph about them on page 105 of his "Register of the early settlers of Kings County". On page 385 of the Voorhees' edition of the Flatbush records: On 2 June 1678 Catharina [child of] Abraham Du Toiet [and] Jannetje Bocquet was baptized. The witnesses were Bourgon Broucard and his wife Katharine. Bergen says that their daughter Hester was baptized on 4 April 1680 in New Utrecht (the published baptismal records for New Utrecht begin in 1718 :-(). Have you and Barbara already considered this couple who are living at the right time and place? Dorothy >It has been suggested that perhaps Maritje was actually born a >Dorland of another branch. Another thought from my perspective is >the fact that daughter #3. was named Annetje, while son # 2 was >named Abraham. To my knowledge neither name is a Dorland ancestral >name of Lammert Janse or Garrets, so it is more than possible that >these names were of Maritje's family who may not be Dorlands. >Annetje's baptismal sponsors were her Aunt Lena and Uncle Jan, >siblings of her father Garret, we have no baptismal information for >Abraham. Since Abraham never had children or even married that we >know, we can't follow his line >Annetje, however, who married Simon Van Arsdalen did have a >daughter Annetje or Ann and a son Abraham. > >Judy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It has been suggested that perhaps Maritje was actually born a Dorland of another branch. Another thought from my perspective is the fact that daughter #3. was named Annetje, while son # 2 was named Abraham. To my knowledge neither name is a Dorland ancestral name of Lammert Janse or Garrets, so it is more than possible that these names were of Maritje's family who may not be Dorlands. Annetje's baptismal sponsors were her Aunt Lena and Uncle Jan, siblings of her father Garret, we have no baptismal information for Abraham. Since Abraham never had children or even married that we know, we can't follow his line Annetje, however, who married Simon Van Arsdalen did have a daughter Annetje or Ann and a son Abraham. Judy

One thing I would like for Christmas is to be able to discover the surname of Marytje, wife of Garret Lammertse Dorland, something Barbara Barth and I were never able to accomplish. So perhaps there is a "Santa" out there who might have some thoughts on this mystery. Garret Dorland b. abt. 1673, probably in Brooklyn, was the eldest son of Lammert Janse Dorland and his wife Harmptje Pieters. He married ca. 1694 to Marytje, surname unknown. We know the name of this wife from the Baptismal Records of their children, and if he had an additional wife prior to their marriage, that is not known. We also know that Garret died sometime after 7 Nov. 1730, the date he was a sponsor in New Utrecht for his grandson Garret, son of his son John. Property belonging to Garret, which he probably inherited from his father Lammert, whose residence was on Staten Island, NY at that date, was located in Montgomery Twp., Somerset County, NJ. This land was divided in 1739, three ways by a quit-claim deed, among his sons Garret, Abraham and Lambert who all moved there and established their plantation(s). (This quite claim deed, was in existance and in the possession of Nathaniel Mc Pherson Durling of Raritan, NJ, a contributor to the Somerset County Historical! Quarterly in the early 1900's. He also describes it as well as other documents in the Cremer, Dorland History. I knew his grandson Warren Durling, but Warren had no idea as to what became of these documents. If they were left to his siblings, he was unaware of it or what happened to the other Durland family papers in possession of Nathaniel Mc Pherson Durling. Deeds were not required to be registered in Montgomery Twp until after the Rev., thus only mortgages are available. Any deeds, if they still exist, remained in family hands or were passed on to the next owner. After the war, some people did record their deeds when the land was sold, however, it was sketchy for several years. That on 16 Jan. 1740/50 Garrets wife Marytje pledged money towards building the new church called Sourlandt and probably died at some point after that date and was buried on the Lambert Dorlandt farm cemetery with the rest of the family. As far as grandparents go, we can only confirm Lammert Janse Dorland and his wife Harmptje Pieters, who probably was Harmptje Jans Pieters, daughter of Jan Pieterszen Van Huysen and his first wife Elsie of New Amsterdam and Gowanus. The children of Garret and Marytje in order were: Harmtje bap. 1 695 Jannetje bap. ca. 17i00, m. 1719 John Corneliuis Van Arsdalen Jan b. ca. 1702, m. abt 1724 Catherine (poss) Davis Annetje bap. 1704 m. 1722 Simon Cornelisse Van Arsdale Gerrit b. abt 1707, m. Heyltje Jans Van Arsdale Abraham b. abt 1709, prob. never married Lammert b. abt. 1711, m. Dyna Van Liew, Engeltje (poss. Post). Christina Styntje Terheune, widow of Isaac Voorhees Child b. abt Dec. 1711, bur. 30 Dec. 1711 Lena bap 1714, m. abt 1i730 Jan Janse Van Arsdalen. Who was this Marytie, I have yet to figure this out, but perhaps one of you just might have some thoughts as to her family. I would love to know if anyone can identity of this Dorland woman. Judy Cassidy

Dear Jerry, The basic article on this family was published in "The New York Genealogical & Biographical Society Record", Volume 96, pages 66-76 (April 1965). It was "The Cornel Family of French Descent" by Mrs. John Spell. The article is reprinted on pages 314-324 of Volume I of "Genealogies of Long Island Families". There we learn that William was born about 1625 and married Margarita Polhemus. Their 6 children were Johannes, Maria, Peter, Catharina, Sarah, Cornelis, and Rachel. You can consult Mabel Spell's article for further particulars. Willem was buried from the Flatbush Church on 31 May 1690. Dorothy >I have read through a few postings concerning the Cornel family, >etc., dealing with William Guilliams. From what I read, I cannot >tell what the final disposition on William himself is ... his >children mentioned in various drafts of Peter Guilliams Wills ... or >have I gotten this all thoroughly confused. Can anyone give me a >general overview on William's family? > >Jerry D. Vandiver > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have read through a few postings concerning the Cornel family, etc., dealing with William Guilliams. From what I read, I cannot tell what the final disposition on William himself is ... his children mentioned in various drafts of Peter Guilliams Wills ... or have I gotten this all thoroughly confused. Can anyone give me a general overview on William's family?   Jerry D. Vandiver

Hi Holly, I don't know anything about this man, but did see that he was with his sons in Kansas, died there and was listed in the 1880 Mortality schedule with info about his parents: 1880 U.S. Federal Census Mortality Schedules: Daniel Vanantwerp Ottawa CO., KS Age: 66 Gender: M Month of Death: Mar State of Birth: NY Occupation: SHOEMAKER, CORDWAINER Cause of Death: PARALYSIS Father born Holland Mother born France Resident 1 3/12 years Disease contracted Michigan. Maybe that helps. Jim ________________________________ From: Holly Timm <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 4:58:52 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Daniel Van Antwerp parentage Daniel Van Antwerp is listed in the 1850 census of Yates County, New York, as age 36 with his 34 year old wife Sarah and 4 children, Catherine age 11, Mary H, age 9, Isaac W, age 7 and John B age 5. This family, with additional children is listed in the 1860 census of Yates County and by 1870 have removed to Lyons in Ionia County, Michigan, where Daniel and Sarah are living with 3 of their sons, John B, Walter D, and Abraham W. In 1880, sons John B and Abraham W are in Ottawa County, Kansas but they appear to have soon returned to Michigan. I have additional detail about the children in this family but can not locate any indication as to who were Daniel's parents. The death of their son John B gives his mother's maiden name as Servant and the transcript on the LDS Beta site lists the father as David although David and Daniel are easily confused in handwriting, most other renditions are as Daniel. Does anyone have any further clues on this line? Thanks Holly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Daniel Van Antwerp is listed in the 1850 census of Yates County, New York, as age 36 with his 34 year old wife Sarah and 4 children, Catherine age 11, Mary H, age 9, Isaac W, age 7 and John B age 5. This family, with additional children is listed in the 1860 census of Yates County and by 1870 have removed to Lyons in Ionia County, Michigan, where Daniel and Sarah are living with 3 of their sons, John B, Walter D, and Abraham W. In 1880, sons John B and Abraham W are in Ottawa County, Kansas but they appear to have soon returned to Michigan. I have additional detail about the children in this family but can not locate any indication as to who were Daniel's parents. The death of their son John B gives his mother's maiden name as Servant and the transcript on the LDS Beta site lists the father as David although David and Daniel are easily confused in handwriting, most other renditions are as Daniel. Does anyone have any further clues on this line? Thanks Holly

For my good and great friend, Dorothy Koenig: As one who was present in the labor room, so to speak, when NNC was born, I regretfully extend my best wishes to you as you put the last edition to bed. I hope all those who follow the Dutch-Colonies list realize what a magnificent and far-reaching contribution Dorothy has made to the cause of the history of the people of New Netherland and their descendants, as well as to us in our individual endeavors to discover our own family's role in all of that. I would only hope that associations like the NYG&BS, the Holland Society, the NGS, and other libraries will put some quality binding around their collections of what you have always modestly referred to as a "newsletter" and keep them intact for posterity. "Newsletter?" We the contributors and consumers of the by now distinguished NNC would rather think of it as a quarterly scholarly journal, minus the slick covers and bindings. The NNC has always been a quality product, of that I can assure you. Finally, Dorothy, I also extend my hope that even as the sun sets on the NNC, you will continue to be among us, contributing, encouraging, and setting us straight when needed. I feel sure our late mutual and marvelous friend, Pim Nieuwenhuis, shares those sentiments. My best regards to you, Ted Snediker On Nov 24, 2010, at 5:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > As many of you know, Dorothy is retiring the New Netherland Connections with this last issue. I feel so very fortunate to have had the opportunity to have had my articles published by her, to have had the chance to have wonderful articles written by many of you in such an easy read format and most of all to have Dorothy Koenig as someone of genealogical importance in my life. > > Thanks Dorothy, The New Netherland Connections is really going to be missed. > > Judy Cassidy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree. The New Netherland Connections have been a wonderful resource. Happy retirement Dorothy! Nora Probasco On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 5:50 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > As many of you know, Dorothy is retiring the New Netherland Connections > with this last issue. I feel so very fortunate to have had the opportunity > to have had my articles published by her, to have had the chance to have > wonderful articles written by many of you in such an easy read format and > most of all to have Dorothy Koenig as someone of genealogical importance in > my life. > > Thanks Dorothy, The New Netherland Connections is really going to be > missed. > > Judy Cassidy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As many of you know, Dorothy is retiring the New Netherland Connections with this last issue. I feel so very fortunate to have had the opportunity to have had my articles published by her, to have had the chance to have wonderful articles written by many of you in such an easy read format and most of all to have Dorothy Koenig as someone of genealogical importance in my life. Thanks Dorothy, The New Netherland Connections is really going to be missed. Judy Cassidy

Hello Is any one familiar with dutch boats or ships from the seventeenth century? I’m looking for information on a caegschuyt (caechschuyt, kaechschuyt), what exactly was it? I’ve seen reference to their operators being called cagenaer\kagenaer or caechskippers. I found a definition for Schuyt as a flat bottomed vessel so would like any detail about what it was used for. Was it for fishing in the shallow waters or was it used as a barge for ferrying cargo? I find vessel mentioned at Rotterdam, Zuid-Holland in the 1600’s. Thanks for your help. Chris -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

Mike, Thanks for the info. I already had the will abstract for this Jeremias. I guess this is about as definitive as I am going to get. The references for the birth of the earlier Jeremias b. 22 Aug 1708 were the Register of the Early Settlers of Kings Co., Long Island, New York, p. 238 and the Documentary History Of The Dutch Congregation of Oyster Bay, Vol. 1, p. 458. I am trying to put together a book for the Probasco family eventually and am trying to verify information for each generation. I feel pretty confident I have Christoffel Probasco and Eytje Stryker's children finally cleared up from all the confusion out there. I was hoping I could come up with more substantial proof for Heyltie and Jeremias Vanderbeeck Remsen's line. I have been doing exhaustive genealogical research along with a Probasco DNA project to prove the lines of the emigrant ancestor, George (Jurriaen) Probatski. With most of the children listed also naming one of their daughters Heyltje or various spelling, that also adds to the preponderance of evidence. Nora On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Michael Morrissey <[email protected]>wrote: > > Nora, > > As far as I am aware, Jeremias did not leave a will. > > His son, Jeremiah, left was will stating he had 7 brothers and sisters, > naming only one, Rem (see abstact below). The number agrees with those > listed in the Annals of Newtown. > > There was a son, Jeremiah, who was baptized at the DRC of Brooklyn on 22 > AUG 1708 (sorry but I don't have the reference), but he died young. > > Though it is not stated in the will, Barent Johnson was the husband of Ann > Remsen, d/o Jannetje Remsen, sister of Jeremiah. > > Abstracts of wills on file in the Surrogate's Office, City of New York > (Volume X. Oct 23, 1780-Nov 5, 1782), p 250, ABSTRACTS OF WILLS LIBER 35. > Page 13. In the name of God, Amen. I, JEREMIAS REMSEN, of the Wallabought > of the Township of Brooklyn, Kings County, being sick and weak in body. All > my just and lawful debts and funeral expenses to be paid. I leave all my > personal estate to my widow; also, the use of all my real estate, while my > widow. Should she remarry, she is to have no more than the personal estate; > and that in lieu of dower. At her death or remarriage all my real estate is > to go to Barrent Johnson; he paying for seven years running, £50 yearly, to > my seven brothers and sisters, or to their children; to be divided between > them. Also, £12 to my brother, Rem Remsen's grandson, Jeremias Remsen, the > first year. In case the said Barrent Johnson does not appear to take > possession of the estate, then all my real estate in the Township of > Brookland is to go to the eldest son of said Barrent, to wit: Jeremias > Johnson, he paying all the legacies in the same manner which his father was > ordered to do. Also, in, such case, all the real estate which I have in the > Township of Bushwick to go to the wife of the said Barrent while his widow; > at her death or remarriage to go to the three youngest children of said > Barrent, to wit: John, Jeromis, and Catelina, in equal shares. I make my > loving wife executrix, and my friends, Abram Remsen, Jeremias Remsen, and > Martin Schenk, executors. Dated September 26, 1776. Witnesses, John Alstyne, > of the City of New York, blacksmith, Martin Schenk, Kings County, yeoman, > Nicholas Couwenhoven. Proved, May 14, 1782 > > Mike Morrissey > > > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:09:31 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Will of Jeremias Vanderbeeck Remsen > > > > Does anyone know if there was a will for Jeremias Vanderbeeck Remsen who > > married Heyltje Probasco? I am looking for documentation that would prove > > their children's names. I have assembled the names I believe are their > > children from Bergen's Register of Early Settlers of Kings County and the > > Annals of Newtown in Queens Co., NY, but would like to have something > more > > substantial to prove who they were. > > > > Nora > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Chris, I consulted my trusty "Groot Woordenboek der Nederlandse Taal" (van Dale). They list the word under the entry "kaag". It comes from the Old Norse word "kaggi" and refers to a flat-bottomed boat: "platboomd, binnenlands vaartuig met zwaarden, een enkele schuine mast en een halve boegspriet; het voerde een sprietzeil en een of twee fokken, en diende o.a. als lichter." Related is a "kaagman" or a "kaagschipper" = iem. die met een kaag vaart. Dorothy >Hello > > > >Is any one familiar with dutch boats or ships from the seventeenth century? >I'm looking for information on a caegschuyt (caechschuyt, kaechschuyt), > what exactly was it? I've seen reference to their operators being called >cagenaer\kagenaer or caechskippers. I found a definition for Schuyt as a >flat bottomed vessel so would like any detail about what it was used for. >Was it for fishing in the shallow waters or was it used as a barge for >ferrying cargo? I find vessel mentioned at Rotterdam, Zuid-Holland in the >1600's. > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Chris > >-- >Chris Brooks >Kansas City, Missouri >816-363-1831 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look up 'ketch' on Wikipedia. I think it has to do with how the sails are arranged. On Nov 18, 2010 10:37 AM, "Chris Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello > > > > Is any one familiar with dutch boats or ships from the seventeenth century? > I’m looking for information on a caegschuyt (caechschuyt, kaechschuyt), > what exactly was it? I’ve seen reference to their operators being called > cagenaer\kagenaer or caechskippers. I found a definition for Schuyt as a > flat bottomed vessel so would like any detail about what it was used for. > Was it for fishing in the shallow waters or was it used as a barge for > ferrying cargo? I find vessel mentioned at Rotterdam, Zuid-Holland in the > 1600’s. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > Chris > > -- > Chris Brooks > Kansas City, Missouri > 816-363-1831 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message