> Can someone please check for me a baptismal record in the Schenectady DRC, 9 Dec. 1798, for Claara, Since the original question has been answered, I will mention that there are some transcriptions of church records linked from the Churches section at the Schenectady Digital History Archive: <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/churches/index.html> This includes Betty Fink's collections from the Dutch churches of Schenectady, Princetown and other places; Robert Billard's extracts from Pearson's genealogies; Channon Moon's work with the First Reformed Church of Scotia; and Cliff Lamere's set from St. George's Episcopal. There are also many links to various church histories from the church sites and books I've put online. -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

>From *Baptism Record of Schenectady Reformed Church: Schenectady, New York, 1694-1811* (New York: Arthur C. Kelly, 1987), page 371. "1798 12. 9 Harmannus Van Slyke (name as father) 8480 Clara Van Slyke Evert Schermerhoorn Neltje Schermerhoorn b 10. 6 Elizabeth Schermerhoorn" Hope the formatting comes through. Mary On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:30 PM, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > Can someone please check for me a baptismal record in the Schenectady DRC, > 9 Dec. 1798, for Claara, child of Neeltje Schermerhorn and Harmannus Van > Slyke. The father's name is upside down. I hadn't known, until told, that > this meant an illegitimate birth. What I had was Neeltje's own New > Testament, where she listed her children. Claara is listed there as her > first, without a last name or a father, unlike her later children. > > A number of years ago, someone on this list got this record for me from > Kelly. I was a newbie, and I didn’t write down the number from Kelly, or > the names of the sponsors. I do remember that at the time I didn’t > recognize the names; now that I’ve done more research and have more of > Neeltje’s relatives, they may be more meaningful. And now I know the > importance of having Kelly’s number, just for future reference. I've got > all the children from her marriage to Hendrick Bastiaanse accounted for, > Kelly's numbers, sponsors and all, so I just need Claara's. > <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" > /> > Thanks, > Doris Waggoner > ____________________________________________________________ > Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d3622c62a3cbc540a5st03vuc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Pam, for your kind words and thank you even more for "catching" and taking the time to document and correct MY error. I believe you are correct that Andries, husband of Elizabeth Town, was the son of Petrus Van Orden and Geertje Snyder, rather than son of Stephen Van Orden and Maria Koning. The names of Andries' (and Elizabeth Town) children leave little room for doubt. Absence of a son named Stephen, and the presence of: Geertje, Petrus, Catrina Andries, son of Petrus and Geertje (Snyder) Van Orden, had the following siblings: Katrina, Antje, Hendrick and Petrus, Jr. ************ For the record (of interested parties): I posted the following: As noted previously, Stephen married Marytje Koning 31 May 1760; both listed as young and single. He and Mary had 6 children, the 5 youngest were baptized at Schraalenburg DRC: i. Andries6 Van Orden, b. c 1760; d. Aft. 1801. ii. Rachel Van Orden, b. 13 May 1761 d. 05 Jan 1830, Mercer Co., KY. iii. Peter S. Van Orden, b. 14 Aug 1763 d. 09 Nov 1846, Rockland Co., NY. Iv. Jan S. Van Orden, b. 08 Jul 1766 d. 21 Apr 1837, Rockland Co., NY. v. Elizabeth Van Orden, b. 08 Jan 1769 d. 13 Sep 1856. Rockland Co., NY. vi. Marytje Van Orden, b. 26 Jul 1771 d. 10 Nov 1847, New York City, NY. Andries Van Orden should be removed from this family group above. *************** I beg your pardon, one and all, for this mistake. Barb Terhune On 1/6/2011 1:37 PM, Pamela J. Sears wrote: > Hi Barb, > > Good sleuthing, and it appears you have finally identified the second > wife of Rev. Cornelius Cozine. > > My question involves the identification of Andries Van Norden, born > circa 1760, as the son of Stephen Van Orden and Maria Koning and the > husband of Elizabeth Town (daughter of John). Although no baptismal > record has been found, it would be a very tight fit for him to have been > born in 1760 since his parents married 31 May 1760 in Schraalenburgh, > and their first child of record was born 13 May 1761 and subsequently > baptized at Schraalenburgh on 17 May 1761. [It is likely that Rachel, > the daughter, was conceived in August of 1760.] > > Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, > New Jersey > [New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 146 > B 13 May, Bpt 17 May 1761; Rachel, child of Stephen Van Orden, Marytje > Koning; wit: Jan Van Orden, Rachel, his wife [the witnesses were the > paternal grandparents] > > > More importantly, this proposed Andries Van Orden [son of Stephen] and > his wife Elizabeth Town did not name a son Stephen, after the paternal > grandfather. > > Rather, I believe this Andries/Andrew Van Orden was the son of Petrus > Van Orden and his wife Geertje Snyder who married at Schraalenburgh on 7 > March 1751 [page 47 of the published records]. > > This Andries Van Orden was born 3 August 1756 at Schraalenburgh and > baptized there as follows: > > Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, > New Jersey > [New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 135 > Born 3 Aug, Bpt 8 Aug 1756; Andries, child of Petrus Van Orden and > Geertie Snyder; wit: Andries Van Orden, Gerrebreghie Ackerman > > ...

Dear All, A correction to my previous. I wrote: > Andries Van Orden & Geertje Snyder had the following 11 children, all > baptized at Clarkstown: Should be: Andries [son of Petrus] Van Orden and Elizabeth Town had the following children: Antje #154; Birth Date: 7 Sep 1780; Bapt. Date: 24 Sep 1780; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Town; Sponsors: Antje Van Orden Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown John #992; Birth Date: 13 Mar 1782; Bapt. Date: 14 Apr 1782; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Toun Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Geertje #655; Birth Date: 2 Aug 1783; Bapt. Date: 30 Aug 1783; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Town Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Petrus #1474; Birth Date: 7 Jan 1785; Bapt. Date: 9 Feb 1785; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Toun Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Catrina #391; Birth Date: 17 Mar 1787; Bapt. Date: 17 May 1787; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Town Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Elisabeth #580; Birth Date: 15 Nov 1788; Bapt. Date: 18 Jan 1788; Parents: Andris Van Orden, Elisabeth Town Source: Baptisms at Clarkstown Auny #3045; Birth Date: 19 Dec 1790; Bapt. Date: 12 Jan 1791; Parents: Andries Van Orde, Elilzabeth Town Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] Maria #3144; Birth Date: 21 Jan 1793; Bapt. Date: 6 Feb 1793; Parents: Andrias Van Orden, Elizabeth Town Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] Andrew #3309; Birth Date: 13 May 1797; Bapt. Date: 21 Jun 1797; Parents: Andrias Van Orden, Elizabeth Town Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County (1694-1899) Andrew #3309; Birth Date: 13 May 1797; Bapt. Date: 21 Jun 1797; Parents: Andrias Van Orden, Elizabeth Town Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County (1694-1899) Sarah #3480; Birth Date: 4 Sep 1801; Bapt. Date: 22 Oct 1801; Parents: Andreas Van Orden, Elizabeth Town Source: Baptism Record of the Tappan Reformed Church, Tappan, Rockland County [1694-1899] Regards, Pam Sears

Hi Barb, Good sleuthing, and it appears you have finally identified the second wife of Rev. Cornelius Cozine. My question involves the identification of Andries Van Norden, born circa 1760, as the son of Stephen Van Orden and Maria Koning and the husband of Elizabeth Town (daughter of John). Although no baptismal record has been found, it would be a very tight fit for him to have been born in 1760 since his parents married 31 May 1760 in Schraalenburgh, and their first child of record was born 13 May 1761 and subsequently baptized at Schraalenburgh on 17 May 1761. [It is likely that Rachel, the daughter, was conceived in August of 1760.] Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey [New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 146 B 13 May, Bpt 17 May 1761; Rachel, child of Stephen Van Orden, Marytje Koning; wit: Jan Van Orden, Rachel, his wife [the witnesses were the paternal grandparents] More importantly, this proposed Andries Van Orden [son of Stephen] and his wife Elizabeth Town did not name a son Stephen, after the paternal grandfather. Rather, I believe this Andries/Andrew Van Orden was the son of Petrus Van Orden and his wife Geertje Snyder who married at Schraalenburgh on 7 March 1751 [page 47 of the published records]. This Andries Van Orden was born 3 August 1756 at Schraalenburgh and baptized there as follows: Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey [New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 135 Born 3 Aug, Bpt 8 Aug 1756; Andries, child of Petrus Van Orden and Geertie Snyder; wit: Andries Van Orden, Gerrebreghie Ackerman Andries Van Orden & Geertje Snyder had the following 11 children, all baptized at Clarkstown: Antje, baptized 7 September 1780 [wit: Antje Van Orden] John, baptized 13 March 1782 Geertje, baptized 2 August 1783 Petrus, baptized 7 January 1785 Catrina, baptized 17 March 1787 Elizabeth, baptized 15 November 1788 Auny, baptized 19 December 1790 Maria, baptized 21 January 1793 Andrew, baptized 13 May 1797 Susanna, baptized 25 September 1799 Sarah, baptized 4 September 1801 John Town may have named his son-in-law [Andrew Van Orden] in his will, but he did not specify just who this Andrew Van Orden was the son of. And, the only baptismal witness of record [above] was "Antje Van Orden" who was probably the sister of Andries/Andrew, also baptized at Schraalenburgh: Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey [New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 143 B 13 Nov, Bpt 16 Dec 1759; Antye, child of Petrus Van Orden, Gertruy Snyder; wit: Andries Van Orden, Jannetye, his wife [this Andries Van Orden was the brother of Petrus; thus, the paternal uncle] 1800 Will of John Town, father of Elizabeth Town, Abstracts of wills of Rockland Co., NY, Liber A. of Wills. Rockland County Surrogate's Office, #59, Will. Fol. 43. (available online) http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html No. 59. Will. fol. 43. John Town of Haverstraw Precinct, D. May 20, 1800. P. Apr. 15, 1801, Infirm and weak. Son, John, Dau. Elizabeth wife of Andrew Van Orden, To (Altia Barns and Charity Barns) the daughters of Jacob Barns, deceased, the lot I bought of Jacobus De Clark, Hope the above helps. Good luck with "West of the Salt." Regards, Pam Sears

Yes, that was fantastic!!! I read it all the way through and I don't have any of those names that I know of Barbara Southern California At 10:37 AM 1/6/2011, you wrote: >Hi Barb, > >Good sleuthing, and it appears you have finally identified the second >wife of Rev. Cornelius Cozine. > >My question involves the identification of Andries Van Norden, born >circa 1760, as the son of Stephen Van Orden and Maria Koning and the >husband of Elizabeth Town (daughter of John). Although no baptismal >record has been found, it would be a very tight fit for him to have been >born in 1760 since his parents married 31 May 1760 in Schraalenburgh, >and their first child of record was born 13 May 1761 and subsequently >baptized at Schraalenburgh on 17 May 1761. [It is likely that Rachel, >the daughter, was conceived in August of 1760.] > >Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, >New Jersey >[New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 146 >B 13 May, Bpt 17 May 1761; Rachel, child of Stephen Van Orden, Marytje >Koning; wit: Jan Van Orden, Rachel, his wife [the witnesses were the >paternal grandparents] > > >More importantly, this proposed Andries Van Orden [son of Stephen] and >his wife Elizabeth Town did not name a son Stephen, after the paternal >grandfather. > >Rather, I believe this Andries/Andrew Van Orden was the son of Petrus >Van Orden and his wife Geertje Snyder who married at Schraalenburgh on 7 >March 1751 [page 47 of the published records]. > >This Andries Van Orden was born 3 August 1756 at Schraalenburgh and >baptized there as follows: > >Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, >New Jersey >[New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 135 >Born 3 Aug, Bpt 8 Aug 1756; Andries, child of Petrus Van Orden and >Geertie Snyder; wit: Andries Van Orden, Gerrebreghie Ackerman > > >Andries Van Orden & Geertje Snyder had the following 11 children, all >baptized at Clarkstown: > >Antje, baptized 7 September 1780 [wit: Antje Van Orden] >John, baptized 13 March 1782 >Geertje, baptized 2 August 1783 >Petrus, baptized 7 January 1785 >Catrina, baptized 17 March 1787 >Elizabeth, baptized 15 November 1788 >Auny, baptized 19 December 1790 >Maria, baptized 21 January 1793 >Andrew, baptized 13 May 1797 >Susanna, baptized 25 September 1799 >Sarah, baptized 4 September 1801 > >John Town may have named his son-in-law [Andrew Van Orden] in his will, >but he did not specify just who this Andrew Van Orden was the son of. >And, the only baptismal witness of record [above] was "Antje Van Orden" >who was probably the sister of Andries/Andrew, also baptized at >Schraalenburgh: > >Records of the Reformed Dutch churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, >New Jersey >[New York] :: Printed for the Society,, 1891, p 143 >B 13 Nov, Bpt 16 Dec 1759; Antye, child of Petrus Van Orden, Gertruy >Snyder; wit: Andries Van Orden, Jannetye, his wife [this Andries Van >Orden was the brother of Petrus; thus, the paternal uncle] > >1800 Will of John Town, father of Elizabeth Town, Abstracts of wills of >Rockland Co., NY, Liber A. of Wills. Rockland County Surrogate's Office, >#59, Will. Fol. 43. (available online) >http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html > >No. 59. Will. fol. 43. > >John Town of Haverstraw Precinct, > >D. May 20, 1800. P. Apr. 15, 1801, > >Infirm and weak. > >Son, John, > >Dau. Elizabeth wife of Andrew Van Orden, > >To (Altia Barns and Charity Barns) the daughters of Jacob Barns, >deceased, the lot I >bought of Jacobus De Clark, > >Hope the above helps. Good luck with "West of the Salt." > > >Regards, >Pam Sears > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

sometimes REAL genealogy facts do look convoluted. I married first Miller-then a Thompson-followed by another unrelated Thompson. My first born (daughter from the first Thompson) married a Miller...going from Thompson (maiden name) to Miller (married name)....... If I didn't do genealogy for my family and set the record straight, some descendent would be bald from tearing their hair out in frustration... I also have an ex-sister-in-law (sis to my first husband, Miller), whose maiden name was Miller-marry a man named Miller....so it is twists like these that cause us the most problems....just have the facts as we find them proved out... Which I know you do excellent work and I thank you for your many helpful posts! Barbara in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Terhune" <[email protected]> To: "Dutch-Colonies " <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Cozine - Brewer/Brouwer, Demarest, Van Orden,and Koning Families To Dutch-Colony listers interested in the Subject families, We have been writing our book, /West of the Salt/, for several years. However, we have continued researching associated families. Recently we came across a problem in current genealogies dealing with Domine Cornelius Cozine of Conewago which we felt needs addressing separately. An error as to the correct identity of his second wife also affects other families, such as the Demarests and the Brouwer/Brewers. We had hoped to submit this to Dorothy Koenig's NNC, but didn't complete it until after she retired from publishing. Barb Terhune COZINE ADDENDUM Domine Cozine's WidowMisidentified -Affects Brouwer and Demarest Family Lines- Reference is made to the will of Domine Cornelius Cozine, Sr. (pages 49-51, /West of the Salt/), dated 5 Aug 1786, also available online with Ken Heindl's post to the Dutch-Colonies mail list of Aug 2000. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2000-08/0966628298 We will focus on two details of this will: * The identification of his second wife is simply “Mary,” together with the specifications of her inheritance. * His direction to executors to provide an “outset” (usually monies and/or goods upon marriage) to “Elizabeth Venordir.” This individual is otherwise unidentified and uncorrelated with Domine Cozine. So there are these two uncertainties in Cozine's will that are also incorrectly presented in existing genealogies. With regard to Cozine's second wife, “Mary,” the Rev. Demarest wrote in 1884: “/His /[Dom. Cozine]/wife, Maria //Brewer//was the daughter of one of the colonists She upon his death went to Haverstraw, N.Y. where she married David S/./Demarest of Hackensack, N.J.”/ Rev. Demarest was notable for researching and writing a marvelous historical paper detailing the Dutch colony that established what has come to be known as Conewago in York (now Adams) County, PA. The colony was first populated in 1767 and mostly migrated further west by the mid-1790s. Demarest wrote his paper in 1884 when “Conewago” and the Dutch colonists were but a dim memory. Many subsequent genealogies have copied Demarest and specified Mary to be a Brouwer or Brewer. We recently became aware of documents, legal court evidence that disputes and obsoletes Demarest's identification of Mary (Maria) _Brewer_ as Cozine's second wife and identifies the family of the recipient of the “outset” Elizabeth Venordir ! It is as follows: _Dauphin Co., PA Deed Book H, Vol. 2, page 430_ John Yurry and his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Mary, wife of Rev. Co. Cozine, dec'd” of the town of Haverstraw in the County of Orange, N.Y. appoints Joseph Brinkerhoff of York Co., PA their attorney to receive whatever due them from [Cozine's] estate. _Dauphin Co., PA Deed Book H, Vol. 2, page 429_ Mary Cozine, widow of Cornelious Cozine married David Demerest, Bergen Co, Oct 4, 1790, came before the court and said she appointed Jacob Vanorden--no more David Van Orden of Orange Co NY her attorney in the estate of the said Cornelious Cozine dec 'd, David Beatty. EX. On August 1, 1787, she while a widow, empowered David Van Orden her Ex. The significance of these Dauphin Co., PA records cannot be overstated. They reveal that Mary, second wife of Cornelius Cozine, Sr. was _widow_ Mary Van Orden, prior to her marriage to Cozine. She was not Mary Brewer, since her daughter Elizabeth was a Van Orden. They also reveal that “Elizabeth Venordir” (recipient of an outset in Cozine's will) was in fact, the daughter of Mary Van Orden, Cozine's second wife. Elizabeth was a teenager (born 1769) living in the home of her stepfather Cornelius Cozine and her mother, Mary. So... * Elizabeth was genealogically a Van Orden and * Elizabeth was a daughter of Mary and a prior Van Orden husband... * Hence, Mary was a Van Orden widow (not Brewer nor even a Westerfield widow) But, what _was_ the maiden name of the widow Mary Van Orden? Armed with the above data, it didn't take long to locate the following marriage record that identifies her as Mary Koning (not Mary Brewer), along with baptismal records of their children, including Elizabeth in 1769 (recipient of an outset in Dom. Cozine's will). Marriage Record: Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, pg. 50, [1760] 31 May Stephen Van Orden, y.m.; Mary Koning, y.d. Baptismal Record: Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ - 29 Jan 1769; Elizabeth; Stephen Van Orden and Mary Koning; wit: Johannes Westervelt. Magdalene Christi The Van Orden attorneys, David and Jacob, appointed by Mary (Koning) Van Orden Cozine Demarest to represent her inheritance from Domine Cozine's estate, were brothers of her first husband, Stephen Van Orden, deceased. To summarize, Mary (Koning) Van Orden was the second wife of Domine Cornelius Cozine; and her 5^th child by her first husband Stephen Van Orden was Elizabeth Van Orden (baptized 08 Jan 1769, died 13 Sep 1856). Unfortunately, Rev. J.K. Demarest, in writing his paper about Conewago, apparently failed to consider the fact that Domine Cozine had a son, Cornelius Cozine Jr., and that son had married a _Mary Brewer_(baptized 22 Apr 1755, died after 1796). Also Cornelius Jr and his wife, Mary Brewer, a much younger couple, had four children born, all baptized in Conewago. However, Rev. Demarest was correct in stating that the Domine's widow, Mary, married David Demarest and moved to New Jersey (but she was not Mary Brewer). We do not wish to convey any real criticism of Rev. Demarest, because he contributed so much fine historical work in the area of the early Dutch settlers of Conewago. Our research has failed to identify the parents of Mary Koning. However, Frank Van Orden's genealogy research may already have answered this question. He identifies her parents and siblings, as well as the children she had by her husband, Stephen Van Orden. Frank Van Orden indicates that Mary was the daughter of Arie Koning and his wife, Elizabeth [Conraed] Hartje, married in 1719 in Rockland Co., NY. He lists 8 known children born between 1720-1738: Jacob, Conrad, Pieter, Margrithje, Leuntje, Elizabeth, Marya (b. 1736, Tappan) and Antje. Marya, born in 1736 looks like a very good "fit". Based on her 1760 first marriage to Stephen Van Orden as a "young woman", we estimated that her birth was no later than 1742. Frank's web site does not include sources, so we will leave documentation to prove or disprove this lineage to others. His work can be seen here: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095 The Marriage of Stephen Van Orden and Mary Koning Stephen Van Orden (1735-1771) and Mary Koning were married 31 May 1760 at Schraalenburgh Dutch Reformed Church in Bergen Co., NJ. He died before 18 Aug 1771 when their youngest child, Marytje was baptized at Schraalenburg DRC with the notation as to parents: "Marytje Van Orden, widow of Stephen Van Orden.” Stephen and Mary (Koning) Van Orden had the following children: Andries, Rachel, Peter S., Jan S., Elizabeth,* and Marytje. * This Elizabeth (5^th child, above) was the Elizabeth living in the Cozine household with the Domine and her mother, Mary, at the time of the Domine's death. These children and their father are discussed further below in Ancillary Data. The Marriage of David Sam Demarest and Mary Koning Four years after the death of Domine Cornelius Cozine, Sr., his widow, Mary (Koning) Van Orden cozine married her 3rd husband, David Sam Demarest on 04 Oct 1790. Schraalenburgh DRC records show that David and Mary witnessed the baptism of their mutual grand-daughter, Margrietje Demarest on 14 Nov. 1790, witnesses: David Sam Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife. They again witnessed the baptism of a mutual grandson, David on 25 Jan 1796. The parents of both children were David D. Demarest (son of David Sam Demarest) and Marytje Van Orden (daughter of Maria Koning)! In addition, on 08 Mar 1795, Mary Koning and her 3rd husband David Demarest witnessed the baptism of Maria Van Orden at Tappan DRC, parents: Peter S. Van Orden and Margrietje Haring, witnesses were David Sam Demarest, Maria Demarest [nee Koning, paternal grandmother and namesake]. Ancillary Data The Facts about Mary^5 Brewer (Daniel^4 , Abraham^3 Brouwer, Peter ADAMSE^2 , Adam PIETERSE^1 ) and her husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. Mary^5 Brewer/Brouwerand her husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. baptized four children at Conewago DRC between 1776 and 1783: Antie, Daniel, Sarah and Cornelius III. They are listed in the 1783 Tax List of Straban, York Co., PA. This family migrated to Mercer Co., KY between 1783 and 1786. There they purchased a farm, as previously indicated in /West of the Salt, Cozine Section,//pp. 45-64/. Unfortunately, Cornelius Jr. died between February and May 1787, leaving his wife Mary (Brewer) and 4 children, all of whom were named in his will (recorded in Mercer Co., KY Will Book 1, p. 12), as well as, Mercer Co., KY Guardian bonds for several years. These 4 were the grandchildren of Dom. Cornelius Cozine Sr., who had died one year earlier in August of 1786. About nine months later, on 10 Jan 1788, Mary Brewer Cozine married (2nd, not 3rd) Samuel Demaree Jr. (son of Samuel Demaree and Leah Demarest) in Mercer Co., KY; and they relocated to Shelby Co., KY. before 1790 when tragedy struck. Young Daniel was killed and his sister, Sarah, was kidnapped by Indians. Mary Brewer did _not_travel back to New Jersey, marry David Sam Demarest there, bury him, then scurry back to Kentucky in time to marry Sam Demaree, Jr in January 1788! In addition, Mary had four young children by her late husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. that have to be accounted for. Furthermore, as noted above, David Sam Demarest, of New Jersey, was still alive in 1796, welcoming his grandchildren into the world. Unfortunately, more than a few current genealogies continue this impossible fiction as fact. Hopefully this paper will help correct these misconceptions. Stephen^5 Van Orden (John^4 , Andriese^3 , Jan^2 , Pieter^1 ) Mary Koning's first husband, Stephen^5 Van Orden,//was born 02 May 1735 in Hackensack, Bergen Co., NJ. His parents were John^4 [Andriese]Van Orden and Rachel [Wouter]Van Schyven. He was baptized 22 June 1735 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Stephen Terhune & his wife, Lydia [Demarest]. His siblings were: Andries, Wouter, David, Leah, Rachel, and Jacobus. As noted previously, Stephen married Marytje Koning 31 May 1760; both listed as young and single. He and Mary had 6 children, the 5 youngest were baptized at Schraalenburg DRC: i. Andries^6 Van Orden, b. c 1760; d. Aft. 1801. ii. Rachel Van Orden, b. 13 May 1761 d. 05 Jan 1830, Mercer Co., KY. Iii. Peter S. Van Orden, b. 14 Aug 1763 d. 09 Nov 1846, Rockland Co., NY. Iv. Jan S. Van Orden, b. 08 Jul 1766 d. 21 Apr 1837, Rockland Co., NY. v. Elizabeth Van Orden, b. 08 Jan 1769 d. 13 Sep 1856. Rockland Co., NY. vi. Marytje Van Orden, b. 26 Jul 1771 d. 10 Nov 1847, New York City, NY. More facts about these children: _Andries_^_6_ _Van Orden_:Born:about 1760, Died: after 1801 -He married Elizabeth [John] TOWN before 1782, according to her father's will. -They had 10 children between 1782 and 1801 in Clarkstown, Rockland Co., NY: John, Geertje, Petrus, Catrina, Elizabeth, Auny, Maria, Andrew, Susanna, and Sarah. _Rachel_^_6_ _Van Orden_: Born: 13 May 1761 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died: 05 Jan 1830 in Mercer Co., KY -She was baptized 17 May 1761, witnesses were: Jan Van Orden. Rachel [Van Schyven], his wife [paternal grandparents]. -She married married Pieter LUYSTER before 1786. He died 05 Jan 1830 in Mercer Co., KY. They had 7 known children between 1786 and 1806 (the first 3 baptized at Conewago, York Co., PA): John, Stephen, Cornelius, Molly, Elizabeth, Abraham and David. _Peter S._^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 14 Aug 1763 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 09 Nov 1846 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY. -He was baptized 28 Aug 1763, Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Albert Dirje[sic] and wife [Leah Van Orden, paternal aunt]. -He had a stellar record in the Rev. War, and was a Major General during the war of 1812. Read his fascinating record here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vanorden/2000-04/0954817381 -He married 10 Apr 1790 (1) Margrietje [Frederick] HARING in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. She was born 31 Mar 1770, and died 13 Oct 1812. -They had only two children: daughter Maria was baptized 31 Jan 1795 at Tappan DRC, witnesses were David Sam^5 Demarest, _Maria__Demarest__[nee KONING_, paternal grandmother]. -Peter's son Frederick was baptized 01 Jan 1799 at Tappan DRC, witnesses were Fredericus Haring, Annetje Haring. -On 15 Dec 1792. Peter and his wife Margrietje witnessed the baptism of his nephew, Stephen YURRY at Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. -On 07 Oct 1813 Peter married (2) Maria BLAUVELT in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY, daughter of Theunis BLAUVELT and Catherine DEBAUN. In 1815,Peter and Maria Blauvelt were listed as members of Dutch Reformed Church Membership of Saddle River, NJ. They had no children. -In 1825 Peter served as Co-Exececutor (with his brother-in-law, John YURRY) of the will of David D. Ackerman, Hampstead, Rockland Co., NY. Said Ackerman was the father-in-law of John YURRY, Jr. (son of John Yurry,Sr. And his wife Elizabeth Van Orden). -Peter wrote his will on 13 Nov 1838 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY and it was probated 25 Oct 1847, Rockland Co., NY. _Jan S._^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 08 Jul 1766 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 21 Apr 1837 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY -He was baptized 13 Jul 1766, witnesses: Jan WESTERVELT, Janetje HARING, his wife. -On 18 Apr 1795 he married Elizabeth ECKERSON in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY, daughter of Thomas D. ECKERSON. Jan and Elizabeth had 7 children: Maritje, Stephen, Martha, Thomas, Peter, Lucas, and Mariah. _Elizabeth_^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 08 Jan 1769 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 13 Sep 1856 -She was baptized 29 Jan 1769 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Johannes Westervelt. Magdalene Christi -On 05 Aug 1786, Domine Cornelius Cozine wrote his will and directed his executors to provide an outset for her. -On 14 Apr 1790 she married JOHN YURRY in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. They had 9 children (YURRY): Stephen, Frederick, William, John Jr., Elizabeth, Rachel, Martha, Margaret and Mary. _Marytje_^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 26 Jul 1771 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 10 Nov 1847 in New York City, NY -She was baptized 18 Aug 1771 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, no witnesses; under parents the record stated: /"Marytje Van Orden, widow of Stephen Van Orden” / -On 19 Jun 1789 she married _David D._^_6_ _DEMAREST_in Schraalenburgh DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, _son of David Sam.DEMAREST _and Margrietje DURIE. They had 3 known children: Margrietje, baptized: 14 Nov 1790, Schraalenburg DRC, wit: _David Sam. Demarest_and_Maria Koning_, his wife, paternal gf and maternal gm. Stephen , baptized 22 Jun 1794, Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ - no witnesses David, baptized 25 Jan 1796, Schraalenburg DRC, - _wit: David Sam. Demarest_and _Maria Koning_, his wife, paternal gf and maternal gm. NOTE: Marytje^6 Van Orden's mother, Mary (nee Koning) widow of Stephen Van Orden and Dom. Cornelius Cozine, Sr, married (3) in 1790 David Samuel DEMAREST, the father of Marytje's husband. And the grandparents witnessed the baptisms of two of their “mutual” grandchildren. Clarification of the 3^rd marriage of Maria (Koning) Van Orden Cozine Demarest This might qualify for Ripley's Believe It or Not.... Between 1789 and 1790, (mother) Maria (Koning) Van Orden Cozine and (daughter) Maria Van Orden marry men with the same bloomin' name...David Demarest! Thank Heaven for the following baptismal records that present both couples, sharing the same space and time, and thus, distinguishes between them. Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, p. 300, Baptismal Register: [1790] baptism: 11 Nov "Child: Margreta Born Oct 11 Parents: David Demarest and Maria Van Orden Witnesses: David Sam. Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife" Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, pg. 321, [1796] David born and bap. 25 Jan. Parents: "David D.^Demarest and Maria Van Norden" Witnesses: "David Sam. Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife" David^5 Sam Demarest/////(Samuel II/^4 /, Samuel/^3 /, David/^2 /, JEAN/^1 /DEMAREST/DESMARETS )/ Mary Koning's third husband, was born in 1728 in Bergen Co., NJ and died after 1796. His parents were Samuel Demarest II and Annetje Cornelis Van Hooren. He married (1) Belitje Westervelt on 04 Jan 1750 in Bergen Co., NJ. He married (2) Margrietje Durie on 09 Nov 1751 in Bergen Co., NJ. Widower, David Demarest was the father of 8 children, all but the first borne by his 2^nd wife, Margrietje Durie: Johannes, Belitje, Petrus, Annatie, Samuel, Maria, David D, and Margaret. It was his son David D.^6 who married 19 Jun 1789, Mary Van Orden, the daughter of Maria Koning, by her first husband, Peter Van Orden. He married (3) Mary Koning, widow of Stephen Van Orden and Dom. Cornelius Cozine, 04 Oct 1790 in Bergen Co., NJ. SOURCES York Co., PA Will Book G, p. 122+, 1786 will of Dom. Cornelius Cozine. Available online: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2000-08/0966628298 /History of the Low Dutch Colony of Conewago/; Rev. J. K. Demarest; reprint 1960 and 1962 in "a Gettysburg newspaper" (Gettysburg Star?) Dauphin Co., PA Deed Bk. H, Vol. 2, Pages 429-430. Courtesy of Judy Cassidy, posted to the Dutch-Colonies Mail List, August 2000. /Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ/, (Holland Society of New York 1891). /Documents Relating to the Colonial History of NJ/, (1982, edited by William Nelson), Vol. XXII. Van Orden Mail List, http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/VANORDEN/1999-11 1800 Will of John Town, father of Elizabeth Town, Abstracts of wills of Rockland Co., NY, Liber A. of Wills. Rockland County Surrogate's Office, #59, Will. Fol. 43. (available online) http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html Abstracts of Wills of Orange and Rockland Counties, N.Y., P. 23. DAVID D. ACKERMAN, of Hampstead Dated May 25, 1824. Probated February 1, 1825 Leiby, Adrian, /Revolutionary War in the Hackensack Valley/, (1962), pp 203-204, See: Dutch-Colonies Archiver>Vanorden>2000-04>0954817381 or http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vanorden/2000-04/0954817381 Will Abstract, http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html, 1838/1847 Will of Peter S. Van Orden. /Marriage Records of the Dutch Reformed Churches of Tappan and Clarkstown, Rockland Co., NY/, prepared by George H. Budke from the translation of Rev. David Cole, available online: http://dutchdoorgenealogy.com/dutch_reformed_church_marriage_records_tappan_clarkstown_new_york. Will of John Yurry, Rockland Co. NY Wills, #628, Will folio 184, dated Sep.9, 1847. P. Apr. 29, 1850. Available online: http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html "The Conewago Colony - Baptisms 1769-1793" by A. Van Doren Honeyman, Conewago Baptisms, Somerset County Historical Quarterly Volume 4 – 1915. Guardian Bonds of Mercer Co., Ky dated 1788 through 1800 for orphans of Cornelius Cozine, Jr., dec'd. Draper Manuscript, 163176-177: "In 9 Aug 1790 nine year old Sarah Cozine was scalped by the Pottowattomie Indians, but spared her life. She was a captive for 5 years, being ransomed 14 Sep 1795. Her 12 years old brother Daniel Cozine was taken by the Pottowattomie Indians, Daniel's skull was crushed by a tomahawk.” Van Orden Genealogy, by Frank Van Orden, http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095 <http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Dutch-Colony listers interested in the Subject families, We have been writing our book, /West of the Salt/, for several years. However, we have continued researching associated families. Recently we came across a problem in current genealogies dealing with Domine Cornelius Cozine of Conewago which we felt needs addressing separately. An error as to the correct identity of his second wife also affects other families, such as the Demarests and the Brouwer/Brewers. We had hoped to submit this to Dorothy Koenig's NNC, but didn't complete it until after she retired from publishing. Barb Terhune COZINE ADDENDUM Domine Cozine's WidowMisidentified -Affects Brouwer and Demarest Family Lines- Reference is made to the will of Domine Cornelius Cozine, Sr. (pages 49-51, /West of the Salt/), dated 5 Aug 1786, also available online with Ken Heindl's post to the Dutch-Colonies mail list of Aug 2000. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2000-08/0966628298 We will focus on two details of this will: * The identification of his second wife is simply “Mary,” together with the specifications of her inheritance. * His direction to executors to provide an “outset” (usually monies and/or goods upon marriage) to “Elizabeth Venordir.” This individual is otherwise unidentified and uncorrelated with Domine Cozine. So there are these two uncertainties in Cozine's will that are also incorrectly presented in existing genealogies. With regard to Cozine's second wife, “Mary,” the Rev. Demarest wrote in 1884: “/His /[Dom. Cozine]/wife, Maria //Brewer//was the daughter of one of the colonists She upon his death went to Haverstraw, N.Y. where she married David S/./Demarest of Hackensack, N.J.”/ Rev. Demarest was notable for researching and writing a marvelous historical paper detailing the Dutch colony that established what has come to be known as Conewago in York (now Adams) County, PA. The colony was first populated in 1767 and mostly migrated further west by the mid-1790s. Demarest wrote his paper in 1884 when “Conewago” and the Dutch colonists were but a dim memory. Many subsequent genealogies have copied Demarest and specified Mary to be a Brouwer or Brewer. We recently became aware of documents, legal court evidence that disputes and obsoletes Demarest's identification of Mary (Maria) _Brewer_ as Cozine's second wife and identifies the family of the recipient of the “outset” Elizabeth Venordir ! It is as follows: _Dauphin Co., PA Deed Book H, Vol. 2, page 430_ John Yurry and his wife Elizabeth, daughter of Mary, wife of Rev. Co. Cozine, dec'd” of the town of Haverstraw in the County of Orange, N.Y. appoints Joseph Brinkerhoff of York Co., PA their attorney to receive whatever due them from [Cozine's] estate. _Dauphin Co., PA Deed Book H, Vol. 2, page 429_ Mary Cozine, widow of Cornelious Cozine married David Demerest, Bergen Co, Oct 4, 1790, came before the court and said she appointed Jacob Vanorden--no more David Van Orden of Orange Co NY her attorney in the estate of the said Cornelious Cozine dec 'd, David Beatty. EX. On August 1, 1787, she while a widow, empowered David Van Orden her Ex. The significance of these Dauphin Co., PA records cannot be overstated. They reveal that Mary, second wife of Cornelius Cozine, Sr. was _widow_ Mary Van Orden, prior to her marriage to Cozine. She was not Mary Brewer, since her daughter Elizabeth was a Van Orden. They also reveal that “Elizabeth Venordir” (recipient of an outset in Cozine's will) was in fact, the daughter of Mary Van Orden, Cozine's second wife. Elizabeth was a teenager (born 1769) living in the home of her stepfather Cornelius Cozine and her mother, Mary. So... * Elizabeth was genealogically a Van Orden and * Elizabeth was a daughter of Mary and a prior Van Orden husband... * Hence, Mary was a Van Orden widow (not Brewer nor even a Westerfield widow) But, what _was_ the maiden name of the widow Mary Van Orden? Armed with the above data, it didn't take long to locate the following marriage record that identifies her as Mary Koning (not Mary Brewer), along with baptismal records of their children, including Elizabeth in 1769 (recipient of an outset in Dom. Cozine's will). Marriage Record: Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, pg. 50, [1760] 31 May Stephen Van Orden, y.m.; Mary Koning, y.d. Baptismal Record: Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ - 29 Jan 1769; Elizabeth; Stephen Van Orden and Mary Koning; wit: Johannes Westervelt. Magdalene Christi The Van Orden attorneys, David and Jacob, appointed by Mary (Koning) Van Orden Cozine Demarest to represent her inheritance from Domine Cozine's estate, were brothers of her first husband, Stephen Van Orden, deceased. To summarize, Mary (Koning) Van Orden was the second wife of Domine Cornelius Cozine; and her 5^th child by her first husband Stephen Van Orden was Elizabeth Van Orden (baptized 08 Jan 1769, died 13 Sep 1856). Unfortunately, Rev. J.K. Demarest, in writing his paper about Conewago, apparently failed to consider the fact that Domine Cozine had a son, Cornelius Cozine Jr., and that son had married a _Mary Brewer_(baptized 22 Apr 1755, died after 1796). Also Cornelius Jr and his wife, Mary Brewer, a much younger couple, had four children born, all baptized in Conewago. However, Rev. Demarest was correct in stating that the Domine's widow, Mary, married David Demarest and moved to New Jersey (but she was not Mary Brewer). We do not wish to convey any real criticism of Rev. Demarest, because he contributed so much fine historical work in the area of the early Dutch settlers of Conewago. Our research has failed to identify the parents of Mary Koning. However, Frank Van Orden's genealogy research may already have answered this question. He identifies her parents and siblings, as well as the children she had by her husband, Stephen Van Orden. Frank Van Orden indicates that Mary was the daughter of Arie Koning and his wife, Elizabeth [Conraed] Hartje, married in 1719 in Rockland Co., NY. He lists 8 known children born between 1720-1738: Jacob, Conrad, Pieter, Margrithje, Leuntje, Elizabeth, Marya (b. 1736, Tappan) and Antje. Marya, born in 1736 looks like a very good "fit". Based on her 1760 first marriage to Stephen Van Orden as a "young woman", we estimated that her birth was no later than 1742. Frank's web site does not include sources, so we will leave documentation to prove or disprove this lineage to others. His work can be seen here: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095 The Marriage of Stephen Van Orden and Mary Koning Stephen Van Orden (1735-1771) and Mary Koning were married 31 May 1760 at Schraalenburgh Dutch Reformed Church in Bergen Co., NJ. He died before 18 Aug 1771 when their youngest child, Marytje was baptized at Schraalenburg DRC with the notation as to parents: "Marytje Van Orden, widow of Stephen Van Orden.” Stephen and Mary (Koning) Van Orden had the following children: Andries, Rachel, Peter S., Jan S., Elizabeth,* and Marytje. * This Elizabeth (5^th child, above) was the Elizabeth living in the Cozine household with the Domine and her mother, Mary, at the time of the Domine's death. These children and their father are discussed further below in Ancillary Data. The Marriage of David Sam Demarest and Mary Koning Four years after the death of Domine Cornelius Cozine, Sr., his widow, Mary (Koning) Van Orden cozine married her 3rd husband, David Sam Demarest on 04 Oct 1790. Schraalenburgh DRC records show that David and Mary witnessed the baptism of their mutual grand-daughter, Margrietje Demarest on 14 Nov. 1790, witnesses: David Sam Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife. They again witnessed the baptism of a mutual grandson, David on 25 Jan 1796. The parents of both children were David D. Demarest (son of David Sam Demarest) and Marytje Van Orden (daughter of Maria Koning)! In addition, on 08 Mar 1795, Mary Koning and her 3rd husband David Demarest witnessed the baptism of Maria Van Orden at Tappan DRC, parents: Peter S. Van Orden and Margrietje Haring, witnesses were David Sam Demarest, Maria Demarest [nee Koning, paternal grandmother and namesake]. Ancillary Data The Facts about Mary^5 Brewer (Daniel^4 , Abraham^3 Brouwer, Peter ADAMSE^2 , Adam PIETERSE^1 ) and her husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. Mary^5 Brewer/Brouwerand her husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. baptized four children at Conewago DRC between 1776 and 1783: Antie, Daniel, Sarah and Cornelius III. They are listed in the 1783 Tax List of Straban, York Co., PA. This family migrated to Mercer Co., KY between 1783 and 1786. There they purchased a farm, as previously indicated in /West of the Salt, Cozine Section,//pp. 45-64/. Unfortunately, Cornelius Jr. died between February and May 1787, leaving his wife Mary (Brewer) and 4 children, all of whom were named in his will (recorded in Mercer Co., KY Will Book 1, p. 12), as well as, Mercer Co., KY Guardian bonds for several years. These 4 were the grandchildren of Dom. Cornelius Cozine Sr., who had died one year earlier in August of 1786. About nine months later, on 10 Jan 1788, Mary Brewer Cozine married (2nd, not 3rd) Samuel Demaree Jr. (son of Samuel Demaree and Leah Demarest) in Mercer Co., KY; and they relocated to Shelby Co., KY. before 1790 when tragedy struck. Young Daniel was killed and his sister, Sarah, was kidnapped by Indians. Mary Brewer did _not_travel back to New Jersey, marry David Sam Demarest there, bury him, then scurry back to Kentucky in time to marry Sam Demaree, Jr in January 1788! In addition, Mary had four young children by her late husband, Cornelius Cozine, Jr. that have to be accounted for. Furthermore, as noted above, David Sam Demarest, of New Jersey, was still alive in 1796, welcoming his grandchildren into the world. Unfortunately, more than a few current genealogies continue this impossible fiction as fact. Hopefully this paper will help correct these misconceptions. Stephen^5 Van Orden (John^4 , Andriese^3 , Jan^2 , Pieter^1 ) Mary Koning's first husband, Stephen^5 Van Orden,//was born 02 May 1735 in Hackensack, Bergen Co., NJ. His parents were John^4 [Andriese]Van Orden and Rachel [Wouter]Van Schyven. He was baptized 22 June 1735 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Stephen Terhune & his wife, Lydia [Demarest]. His siblings were: Andries, Wouter, David, Leah, Rachel, and Jacobus. As noted previously, Stephen married Marytje Koning 31 May 1760; both listed as young and single. He and Mary had 6 children, the 5 youngest were baptized at Schraalenburg DRC: i. Andries^6 Van Orden, b. c 1760; d. Aft. 1801. ii. Rachel Van Orden, b. 13 May 1761 d. 05 Jan 1830, Mercer Co., KY. Iii. Peter S. Van Orden, b. 14 Aug 1763 d. 09 Nov 1846, Rockland Co., NY. Iv. Jan S. Van Orden, b. 08 Jul 1766 d. 21 Apr 1837, Rockland Co., NY. v. Elizabeth Van Orden, b. 08 Jan 1769 d. 13 Sep 1856. Rockland Co., NY. vi. Marytje Van Orden, b. 26 Jul 1771 d. 10 Nov 1847, New York City, NY. More facts about these children: _Andries_^_6_ _Van Orden_:Born:about 1760, Died: after 1801 -He married Elizabeth [John] TOWN before 1782, according to her father's will. -They had 10 children between 1782 and 1801 in Clarkstown, Rockland Co., NY: John, Geertje, Petrus, Catrina, Elizabeth, Auny, Maria, Andrew, Susanna, and Sarah. _Rachel_^_6_ _Van Orden_: Born: 13 May 1761 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died: 05 Jan 1830 in Mercer Co., KY -She was baptized 17 May 1761, witnesses were: Jan Van Orden. Rachel [Van Schyven], his wife [paternal grandparents]. -She married married Pieter LUYSTER before 1786. He died 05 Jan 1830 in Mercer Co., KY. They had 7 known children between 1786 and 1806 (the first 3 baptized at Conewago, York Co., PA): John, Stephen, Cornelius, Molly, Elizabeth, Abraham and David. _Peter S._^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 14 Aug 1763 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 09 Nov 1846 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY. -He was baptized 28 Aug 1763, Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Albert Dirje[sic] and wife [Leah Van Orden, paternal aunt]. -He had a stellar record in the Rev. War, and was a Major General during the war of 1812. Read his fascinating record here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vanorden/2000-04/0954817381 -He married 10 Apr 1790 (1) Margrietje [Frederick] HARING in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. She was born 31 Mar 1770, and died 13 Oct 1812. -They had only two children: daughter Maria was baptized 31 Jan 1795 at Tappan DRC, witnesses were David Sam^5 Demarest, _Maria__Demarest__[nee KONING_, paternal grandmother]. -Peter's son Frederick was baptized 01 Jan 1799 at Tappan DRC, witnesses were Fredericus Haring, Annetje Haring. -On 15 Dec 1792. Peter and his wife Margrietje witnessed the baptism of his nephew, Stephen YURRY at Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. -On 07 Oct 1813 Peter married (2) Maria BLAUVELT in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY, daughter of Theunis BLAUVELT and Catherine DEBAUN. In 1815,Peter and Maria Blauvelt were listed as members of Dutch Reformed Church Membership of Saddle River, NJ. They had no children. -In 1825 Peter served as Co-Exececutor (with his brother-in-law, John YURRY) of the will of David D. Ackerman, Hampstead, Rockland Co., NY. Said Ackerman was the father-in-law of John YURRY, Jr. (son of John Yurry,Sr. And his wife Elizabeth Van Orden). -Peter wrote his will on 13 Nov 1838 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY and it was probated 25 Oct 1847, Rockland Co., NY. _Jan S._^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 08 Jul 1766 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 21 Apr 1837 in Ramapo, Rockland Co., NY -He was baptized 13 Jul 1766, witnesses: Jan WESTERVELT, Janetje HARING, his wife. -On 18 Apr 1795 he married Elizabeth ECKERSON in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY, daughter of Thomas D. ECKERSON. Jan and Elizabeth had 7 children: Maritje, Stephen, Martha, Thomas, Peter, Lucas, and Mariah. _Elizabeth_^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 08 Jan 1769 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 13 Sep 1856 -She was baptized 29 Jan 1769 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, witnesses were Johannes Westervelt. Magdalene Christi -On 05 Aug 1786, Domine Cornelius Cozine wrote his will and directed his executors to provide an outset for her. -On 14 Apr 1790 she married JOHN YURRY in Tappan DRC, Rockland Co., NY. They had 9 children (YURRY): Stephen, Frederick, William, John Jr., Elizabeth, Rachel, Martha, Margaret and Mary. _Marytje_^_6_ _Van Orden_Born 26 Jul 1771 in Bergen Co., NJ, Died 10 Nov 1847 in New York City, NY -She was baptized 18 Aug 1771 at Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, no witnesses; under parents the record stated: /"Marytje Van Orden, widow of Stephen Van Orden” / -On 19 Jun 1789 she married _David D._^_6_ _DEMAREST_in Schraalenburgh DRC, Bergen Co., NJ, _son of David Sam.DEMAREST _and Margrietje DURIE. They had 3 known children: Margrietje, baptized: 14 Nov 1790, Schraalenburg DRC, wit: _David Sam. Demarest_and_Maria Koning_, his wife, paternal gf and maternal gm. Stephen , baptized 22 Jun 1794, Schraalenburg DRC, Bergen Co., NJ - no witnesses David, baptized 25 Jan 1796, Schraalenburg DRC, - _wit: David Sam. Demarest_and _Maria Koning_, his wife, paternal gf and maternal gm. NOTE: Marytje^6 Van Orden's mother, Mary (nee Koning) widow of Stephen Van Orden and Dom. Cornelius Cozine, Sr, married (3) in 1790 David Samuel DEMAREST, the father of Marytje's husband. And the grandparents witnessed the baptisms of two of their “mutual” grandchildren. Clarification of the 3^rd marriage of Maria (Koning) Van Orden Cozine Demarest This might qualify for Ripley's Believe It or Not.... Between 1789 and 1790, (mother) Maria (Koning) Van Orden Cozine and (daughter) Maria Van Orden marry men with the same bloomin' name...David Demarest! Thank Heaven for the following baptismal records that present both couples, sharing the same space and time, and thus, distinguishes between them. Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, p. 300, Baptismal Register: [1790] baptism: 11 Nov "Child: Margreta Born Oct 11 Parents: David Demarest and Maria Van Orden Witnesses: David Sam. Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife" Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ, (Holland Society of New York 1891), Part 2, pg. 321, [1796] David born and bap. 25 Jan. Parents: "David D.^Demarest and Maria Van Norden" Witnesses: "David Sam. Demarest and Maria Koning, his wife" David^5 Sam Demarest/////(Samuel II/^4 /, Samuel/^3 /, David/^2 /, JEAN/^1 /DEMAREST/DESMARETS )/ Mary Koning's third husband, was born in 1728 in Bergen Co., NJ and died after 1796. His parents were Samuel Demarest II and Annetje Cornelis Van Hooren. He married (1) Belitje Westervelt on 04 Jan 1750 in Bergen Co., NJ. He married (2) Margrietje Durie on 09 Nov 1751 in Bergen Co., NJ. Widower, David Demarest was the father of 8 children, all but the first borne by his 2^nd wife, Margrietje Durie: Johannes, Belitje, Petrus, Annatie, Samuel, Maria, David D, and Margaret. It was his son David D.^6 who married 19 Jun 1789, Mary Van Orden, the daughter of Maria Koning, by her first husband, Peter Van Orden. He married (3) Mary Koning, widow of Stephen Van Orden and Dom. Cornelius Cozine, 04 Oct 1790 in Bergen Co., NJ. SOURCES York Co., PA Will Book G, p. 122+, 1786 will of Dom. Cornelius Cozine. Available online: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Dutch-Colonies/2000-08/0966628298 /History of the Low Dutch Colony of Conewago/; Rev. J. K. Demarest; reprint 1960 and 1962 in "a Gettysburg newspaper" (Gettysburg Star?) Dauphin Co., PA Deed Bk. H, Vol. 2, Pages 429-430. Courtesy of Judy Cassidy, posted to the Dutch-Colonies Mail List, August 2000. /Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack & Schraalenburgh, NJ/, (Holland Society of New York 1891). /Documents Relating to the Colonial History of NJ/, (1982, edited by William Nelson), Vol. XXII. Van Orden Mail List, http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/VANORDEN/1999-11 1800 Will of John Town, father of Elizabeth Town, Abstracts of wills of Rockland Co., NY, Liber A. of Wills. Rockland County Surrogate's Office, #59, Will. Fol. 43. (available online) http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html Abstracts of Wills of Orange and Rockland Counties, N.Y., P. 23. DAVID D. ACKERMAN, of Hampstead Dated May 25, 1824. Probated February 1, 1825 Leiby, Adrian, /Revolutionary War in the Hackensack Valley/, (1962), pp 203-204, See: Dutch-Colonies Archiver>Vanorden>2000-04>0954817381 or http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/vanorden/2000-04/0954817381 Will Abstract, http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html, 1838/1847 Will of Peter S. Van Orden. /Marriage Records of the Dutch Reformed Churches of Tappan and Clarkstown, Rockland Co., NY/, prepared by George H. Budke from the translation of Rev. David Cole, available online: http://dutchdoorgenealogy.com/dutch_reformed_church_marriage_records_tappan_clarkstown_new_york. Will of John Yurry, Rockland Co. NY Wills, #628, Will folio 184, dated Sep.9, 1847. P. Apr. 29, 1850. Available online: http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com/abstracts_of_rockland_county_wills.html "The Conewago Colony - Baptisms 1769-1793" by A. Van Doren Honeyman, Conewago Baptisms, Somerset County Historical Quarterly Volume 4 – 1915. Guardian Bonds of Mercer Co., Ky dated 1788 through 1800 for orphans of Cornelius Cozine, Jr., dec'd. Draper Manuscript, 163176-177: "In 9 Aug 1790 nine year old Sarah Cozine was scalped by the Pottowattomie Indians, but spared her life. She was a captive for 5 years, being ransomed 14 Sep 1795. Her 12 years old brother Daniel Cozine was taken by the Pottowattomie Indians, Daniel's skull was crushed by a tomahawk.” Van Orden Genealogy, by Frank Van Orden, http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095 <http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=fvano&id=I1095>

Hi folks, Yes, I'm still around, just been very low profile for quite awhile. Been adding things here and there to my website at www.AncestralCurios.com My latest project has been scanning some pages from one of the OLD books kicking around here with the fancy title: Die Cronycke van Hollandt Zeelandt ende Vrieslant beghinnende van Adams tiden tot die geboerte ons heren Jhesum voertgaende tot den jare M.CCCCC. ende Xvij. Leiden, Jan Seversz., 18 August 1517. This is the famous first Dutch national chronicle, generally known as the Divisiekroniek as it was composed in 3 parts and 23 divisions by the Christian humanist scholar and Augustinian monk Cornelius Aurelius printed in 1517. What I have is a copy of the second edition printed in the year 1585 by Peeter Verhaghen in Dordrecht with a continuation to 1584. This is not something you just find in any old library. I'm still trying to determine just how rare it might be. Feel free to take a look: www.ancestralcurios.com/Die_Cronycke.htm I have also updated my RecordSearch program and added a lot more record files of Marriages and Baptisms. Many of them are not yet on the website, but are part of the full installation of RecordSearch. Enjoy & Happy New Year! Bob Billard

Chris: Thanks for the info. I sent it to my friend and he said that is probably what it stands for. Merry Christmas Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: Chris Brooks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:35:04 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Grave inscription Bill K.S. likely means Konungariket Sverige or Kingdom of Sweden, but I would think your Swedish friend would know that. Chris On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Bill Forshay <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi: > > > I have a friend in Sweden that asked me a question that I can't answer. > There is a grave of a Swedish sailor in Nassau Cemetery, Nassau, NY. The > grave > is just a wooden cross with "K.S." on it. Can any one tell me what the K.S. > stands for. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that is him. Thank you. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 10:19:17 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Grave inscription HI Bill, I found it... with the story and a picture of the gentleman... "His full name is Karl Ivar Rickard Sjögren." http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=1993196&GRid=63072474 & ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:22:11 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Grave inscription Hi: I have a friend in Sweden that asked me a question that I can't answer. There is a grave of a Swedish sailor in Nassau Cemetery, Nassau, NY. The grave is just a wooden cross with "K.S." on it. Can any one tell me what the K.S. stands for. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Bill, I found it... with the story and a picture of the gentleman... "His full name is Karl Ivar Rickard Sjögren." http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GScid=1993196&GRid=63072474 & ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Forshay" <[email protected]oo.com> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:22:11 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Grave inscription Hi:     I have a friend in Sweden that asked me a question that I can't answer. There is a grave of a Swedish sailor in Nassau Cemetery, Nassau, NY. The grave is just a wooden cross with "K.S." on it. Can any one tell me what the K.S. stands for.                      Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX          ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill K.S. likely means Konungariket Sverige or Kingdom of Sweden, but I would think your Swedish friend would know that. Chris On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Bill Forshay <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi: > > > I have a friend in Sweden that asked me a question that I can't answer. > There is a grave of a Swedish sailor in Nassau Cemetery, Nassau, NY. The > grave > is just a wooden cross with "K.S." on it. Can any one tell me what the K.S. > stands for. > > Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Brooks Kansas City, Missouri 816-363-1831

Hi: I have a friend in Sweden that asked me a question that I can't answer. There is a grave of a Swedish sailor in Nassau Cemetery, Nassau, NY. The grave is just a wooden cross with "K.S." on it. Can any one tell me what the K.S. stands for. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX

Dear Janice, You shared: "> N. York Den 17 Feb 1766 "Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" Catharina Ridner, > h.v.v. David Herris, member of the RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and > Biographical Record July, 1930, Vol 61 No. 3, page 269) ** what does this > mean?" The translation of the Dutch phrase is contained in the citation. The journal published the membership list of members in 1766 of the Dutch church in New York City. "h.v.v." means "huis vrouw van" (wife of) David Harris. So Catherine was a member of the Dutch congregation, but it appears that her husband was not. Dorothy

"Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" means On professsion of Faith. The person is now joining the church as a member. There could be several reasons why the person is professing his/her faith at this moment, including: -- Person is converting from another faith/sect. Has taken instruction, etc. -- Person has moved from another location, but has no certificate from their former church. The elders/deacons would ask questions until they were satisfied that the prospective member knew and understood the doctrine of the church, and intended to practice this form of religion. -- A young person has recently finished religious classes, etc., and is now joining the church as an adult member of the community. Usually the parents were members, and now thi person is grown-up enough to become a member him/herself. Best I can tell (and this MAY vary!) is this type of membership initialization occured when the prospective member was in her/his late teens. Also note with this last comment that I am referring to what I have observed in Dutch records of the seventeenth century, in the Dutch Reformed Church in the Netherlands, and NOT to any records of any Presbyterian Church of anywhere in NJ, or in the North American colonies. Religious leaders frequently held synods, conventions, etc, in which they sometimes reviewed and modified various aspects of their doctrine or function. But, the bottom line would still be: "Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" means On Profosssion of faith. The person is now admitted to this particular church as a member. Best wishes, Liz J On 19 December 2010 21:42, Janice Pranger <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Does anyone have any information about this family, or about the others named at these events?  I am researching the Harris families of Bergen County, and am wondering if this David might be the eldest son of George and Elen Harris; the Ridner/Redner family is new to me and any and all suggestions are welcome! > > 12 Jan 1752 marriage of David Harris and Catharine Ridner, First Presbyterian Church of Hanover, Morris County, NJ  (Church members, marriages, and baptisms, at Hanover, Morris Co., N.J., during the pastorate of Rev. Jacob Green, and to the settlement of Rev. Aaron Condit. 1746-1796 [1893]) > > 4 Jan 1761 baptism of Joris , son of David Herres and Catharina Riddenaer, RDC NYC witnesses Dirck Brinkerhoff, Rachel Riddenaer, j.d.  (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record July, 1897, Vol 28 No. 3, page143) > > 10 Aug 1763 baptism of Rachel, daughter of David Herris and Catharina Riddenaar, RDC NYC; witnesses Cornelius Foorhees , Anatje Van Winkele z.h.v. (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, Vol 28 No. 4, page 227) > > 17 Nov 1762, David Herris and Catharina Reddenaar z.h.v. witness the baptism of Elizabet, daughter of Willem Peersel and Bregje Blaauvelt, RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, Vol 28 No. 4, page 222) > > N. York Den 17 Feb 1766 "Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" Catharina Ridner, h.v.v. David Herris, member of the RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record July, 1930, Vol 61 No. 3, page 269) ** what does this mean? > > Many thanks, > > Jan

?I think Ridenour might be another common spelling if this is the German family I've seen of that name. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Janice Pranger" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:42 PM To: <[email protected]sweb.com>; <[email protected]> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] David Harris and CatharinaRidner/Redner/Riddenaer...1752 > > > > > > Does anyone have any information about this family, or about the others > named at these events? I am researching the Harris families of Bergen > County, and am wondering if this David might be the eldest son of George > and Elen Harris; the Ridner/Redner family is new to me and any and all > suggestions are welcome! > > 12 Jan 1752 marriage of David Harris and Catharine Ridner, First > Presbyterian Church of Hanover, Morris County, NJ (Church members, > marriages, and baptisms, at Hanover, Morris Co., N.J., during the > pastorate of Rev. Jacob Green, and to the settlement of Rev. Aaron Condit. > 1746-1796 [1893]) > > 4 Jan 1761 baptism of Joris , son of David Herres and Catharina Riddenaer, > RDC NYC witnesses Dirck Brinkerhoff, Rachel Riddenaer, j.d. (The New York > Genealogical and Biographical Record July, 1897, Vol 28 No. 3, page143) > > 10 Aug 1763 baptism of Rachel, daughter of David Herris and Catharina > Riddenaar, RDC NYC; witnesses Cornelius Foorhees , Anatje Van Winkele > z.h.v. (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, > Vol 28 No. 4, page 227) > > 17 Nov 1762, David Herris and Catharina Reddenaar z.h.v. witness the > baptism of Elizabet, daughter of Willem Peersel and Bregje Blaauvelt, RDC > NYC (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, Vol > 28 No. 4, page 222) > > N. York Den 17 Feb 1766 "Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" Catharina Ridner, > h.v.v. David Herris, member of the RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and > Biographical Record July, 1930, Vol 61 No. 3, page 269) ** what does this > mean? > > Many thanks, > > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone have any information about this family, or about the others named at these events?  I am researching the Harris families of Bergen County, and am wondering if this David might be the eldest son of George and Elen Harris; the Ridner/Redner family is new to me and any and all suggestions are welcome!   12 Jan 1752 marriage of David Harris and Catharine Ridner, First Presbyterian Church of Hanover, Morris County, NJ  (Church members, marriages, and baptisms, at Hanover, Morris Co., N.J., during the pastorate of Rev. Jacob Green, and to the settlement of Rev. Aaron Condit. 1746-1796 [1893])   4 Jan 1761 baptism of Joris , son of David Herres and Catharina Riddenaer, RDC NYC witnesses Dirck Brinkerhoff, Rachel Riddenaer, j.d.  (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record July, 1897, Vol 28 No. 3, page143)   10 Aug 1763 baptism of Rachel, daughter of David Herris and Catharina Riddenaar, RDC NYC; witnesses Cornelius Foorhees , Anatje Van Winkele z.h.v. (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, Vol 28 No. 4, page 227)   17 Nov 1762, David Herris and Catharina Reddenaar z.h.v. witness the baptism of Elizabet, daughter of Willem Peersel and Bregje Blaauvelt, RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record October, 1897, Vol 28 No. 4, page 222)   N. York Den 17 Feb 1766 "Op Belydenisse des Geloofs**" Catharina Ridner, h.v.v. David Herris, member of the RDC NYC (The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record July, 1930, Vol 61 No. 3, page 269) ** what does this mean?   Many thanks,   Jan

Judy, They have moved things around a bit and this will probably be temporary, but go to http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/beta/ There is a link to Land Patents where you can search. Mike Morrissey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:17 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] BLM Records Does anyone know if the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) records can still be easily accessed on line. It used to be you could simply type in Bureau of Land Management, click on what you wanted, and you had access to the original records. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AS always, thanks Mike, had it book marked but something changed. Judy Dec 18, 2010 02:36:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Judy, They have moved things around a bit and this will probably be temporary, but go to http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/beta/ There is a link to Land Patents where you can search. Mike Morrissey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:17 PM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] BLM Records Does anyone know if the BLM (Bureau of Land Management) records can still be easily accessed on line. It used to be you could simply type in Bureau of Land Management, click on what you wanted, and you had access to the original records. Judy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message