Carol: What is the site for this info? Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: Carol Anne <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 2:35:23 PM Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestry.com Civil War Draft Transcription Warning! The draft registration seems to be very badly transcribed! Use your imagination when searching for your ancestor! I was looking for Erwin (Ervin, Irwin, Irvin) Moberly, who was living in Perry Township, Martin Co. IN. He was born in Tennessee. I know from experience that his surname can be spelled 100 different ways, so I typed in mob* with the wild card to find all surnames beginning with Mob, left the given name blank, and filled in Martin Co., IN. Nothing. Then I removed the surname and went through all the Martin Co., IN entries. Nothing. Then I just filled in the given name (tried Erwin first) and "Indiana". I got a very strange looking result: Erwin Morbly, Percy Township, Castro Co., IN. Born in Pennsylvania. First of all there's no county in Indiana named Castro! When I looked at the actual image, it said Perry Township, not Percy, and the other township names on the page I recognized as being in Martin Co.. His place of birth read "Tenn", not "Penn". I finally spotted the county name, but the binding was so tight only the last 3 letters were visible, but how anybody got "Castro" out of it I don't know! His surname was indeed written "Morbly", but I'm used to that sort of thing. So be creative when searching, and if you get a strange result that looks like it sort of fits, but it's all wrong, be sure to check out the actual image anyway. Carol Anne On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Jim Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I > guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult > that would have been to pull off? > > -Jim Miller ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

4/10/11 In NYC at the time of the Civil War the payment of $300 would be enough to have someone go in your place. Not uncommon. Harry Miller On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Robert Taylor wrote: > > It was not hard to get out of the draft - if you had some ready cash. Men could essentially pay someone else to take their places. My wife's ggGF was one who was paid to take someone's draft position. > > > Robert J. Taylor, M.D. - Family Physician; > Family Researcher - Taylor, Robinson, Anderson, Ballentyne, Bradley, Dumond, Devereaux, Hitchman, Houghton, Munson, Noble, Robbins, Sackrider, Seymour, Sloat, Smallin, VanWormer and others > Author of The Civil War Letters of Wm. A. Robinson and the Story of the 89th NYVI Webpage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~taylorhomepage/Index.htm > > > > > >> I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I >> guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult >> that would have been to pull off? >> >> -Jim Miller >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At first, men readily enlisted, thinking the War was going to be a bit of a lark, or enticed by the idea of wages, board, and clothing. When by 1863 the truth became all too apparent, President Lincoln was obliged to call for a draft. I think there were altogether 3 or 4 drafts over the years. The Draft Act became law in March 1863. All able-bodied male citizens of all colors between the ages of 20 and 35 constituted the first class to be called up, whether their feelings were pro-Union or not. If they did not want to go, they could pay a substitute, $300 being the usual amount. In May a draft of 300,000 was called for. Draft boards were established in the various Congressional Districts to oversee the enrollment, with counties having quotas. Once the numbers eligible were known, names were drawn, beginning in July. This is when the draft riots occurred in NYC and had to be put down by federal troops. How was the draft subsidized? To quote from F. B. Green, History of Rockland County, "At a special town meeting held in Orangetown, it was voted to borrow $30,000 on the credit of the town, to cover the exemption fee of $300 of every one who should be drafted. In Clarkstown and Ramapo, it was resolved at special town meetings, that each person residing in those townships, liable to the draft, should pay $25 to the committee-man of his school district on or before September 12, 1863, which should go into a general fund to be used to pay exemptions; those who did not pay were not to enjoy the benefits of this sum. It was further resolved in each township, that the Supervisor should petition the Legislature to permit the raising of a sufficient sum by a tax upon taxable property, to pay the exemptions of such as might be drafted over the amount raised by the $25 payments." In 1864, the exemption bounty in Orangetown was raised to $350, in Clarkstown to $380, and so on. Later in the year, in Orangetown, the bounty was raised to $800. The sums varied between $300 and $800. My ggGF Thomas McGuire enlisted in April 1861, before bounties were paid. Born in 1807, he was 54 years old. By the end, according to his compiled service record, he was a sick and broken man. Another great GF was born in 1841, and he did not enlist, nor did either of his two brothers. Whether one was a Unionist and the others Disunionists, as they were called, I can only wonder.

It was not hard to get out of the draft - if you had some ready cash. Men could essentially pay someone else to take their places. My wife's ggGF was one who was paid to take someone's draft position. Robert J. Taylor, M.D. - Family Physician; Family Researcher - Taylor, Robinson, Anderson, Ballentyne, Bradley, Dumond, Devereaux, Hitchman, Houghton, Munson, Noble, Robbins, Sackrider, Seymour, Sloat, Smallin, VanWormer and others Author of The Civil War Letters of Wm. A. Robinson and the Story of the 89th NYVI Webpage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~taylorhomepage/Index.htm > I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I > guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult > that would have been to pull off? > > -Jim Miller > >

My grandfathers father fought first for the Confererates then for the Union...both in Arkansas......the story handed down is the famlly was residing in Denton County, TX and tried to get back to southern IN as the war clouds got darker.....the father and a brother were both killed by a sniper along the tral before they made it to Arkansas where they stopped to spend some time with a sister to my gt grandfather and her family......the war broke out while they were there...and two of the sons were "convinced" they should join the Confederate cavalry.......the mother and two younger siblings made their was back to Harrison County, IN where the mother watched Morgans Raiders shoot her youngest son in the back while he was trying to get the family horses into the woods where the Confederate raiding party might not see them........back in Arkansas...at least one of the boys deserted the CSA and joined the Union Army till the end of the war. He was still sending letters to Washington, D.C. trying to prove he was a loyal Union soldier deserving a pension....one letter was written May 2, 1883, the day his next to the youngest son was born...who would become my grandfather....we have copies of the papers that are in the National Archives attesting to all this. He did get his pension finally. barb whiteside ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011 14:38 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors To: [email protected] > Don't know, but do know that sometimes strange things > occured. My ggg grandfather who lived in southern Indiana, > would desert each spring and summer and return to his unit in > the fall. Had to keep the family farm going. Judy > > > Apr 9, 2011 02:09:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I > guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult > that would have been to pull off? > > -Jim Miller > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > > I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the > same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily > populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky. > They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are > looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which > is easy to read. Although it takes time, you can do the entire > county for other family members with different surnames. > > > > Judy > > > > > > Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > =========================================== > > > > OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the > > applications. The actual applications and accompanying > paperwork can be just > > a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, > > including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, > discharge> papers, etc. I went through the folders for my two > Civil War soldiers and a > > few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them > online eventually > > as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the > volume for the > > Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. > > > > I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, > that was cool. > > It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also > listed the men > > generally by area and so it could be used as another way to > see who was in a > > township or town and not yet in the services, maybe. Or it > could contain > > something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: > location, name, > > age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a > couple other > > fields. New stuff - always great! > > > > Thanks / Tom > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM > > To: > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > > > >> I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it > were several > >> links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the > original cards > >> and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers > kept by whom > >> ever was recording the information for that particular > county, so you are > >> looking at the original documents. The title is: > >> > >> US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] > >> wrote:===========================================Can you > clarify what this > >> collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've > seen, but I'm > >> not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the > collection you > >> mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension > folder for > >> each soldier?Thanks / > >> Tom--------------------------------------------------From: > Sent: Saturday, > >> April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil > War Ancestors> > >> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension > Applications as well as > >> > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. 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Right at this moment I am hard a work transcribing a family treasure trove of Civil War letters that are alternatingly infuriating and heart-rending - your family's story is awful - and tragically unexceptional. Shocking that after all those terrible experiences, as a nation, we don't seem to have learned a damn thing. Breaks my heart. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Whiteside Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors My grandfathers father fought first for the Confererates then for the Union...both in Arkansas......the story handed down is the famlly was residing in Denton County, TX and tried to get back to southern IN as the war clouds got darker.....the father and a brother were both killed by a sniper along the tral before they made it to Arkansas where they stopped to spend some time with a sister to my gt grandfather and her family......the war broke out while they were there...and two of the sons were "convinced" they should join the Confederate cavalry.......the mother and two younger siblings made their was back to Harrison County, IN where the mother watched Morgans Raiders shoot her youngest son in the back while he was trying to get the family horses into the woods where the Confederate raiding party might not see them........back in Arkansas...at least one of the boys deserted the CSA and joined the Union Army till the end of the war. He was still sending letters to Washin! gton, D.C. trying to prove he was a loyal Union soldier deserving a pension....one letter was written May 2, 1883, the day his next to the youngest son was born...who would become my grandfather....we have copies of the papers that are in the National Archives attesting to all this. He did get his pension finally. barb whiteside ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011 14:38 Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors To: [email protected] > Don't know, but do know that sometimes strange things > occured. My ggg grandfather who lived in southern Indiana, > would desert each spring and summer and return to his unit in > the fall. Had to keep the family farm going. Judy > > > Apr 9, 2011 02:09:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I > guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult > that would have been to pull off? > > -Jim Miller > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > > I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the > same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily > populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky. > They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are > looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which > is easy to read. Although it takes time, you can do the entire > county for other family members with different surnames. > > > > Judy > > > > > > Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > =========================================== > > > > OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the > > applications. The actual applications and accompanying > paperwork can be just > > a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, > > including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, > discharge> papers, etc. I went through the folders for my two > Civil War soldiers and a > > few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them > online eventually > > as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the > volume for the > > Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. > > > > I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, > that was cool. > > It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also > listed the men > > generally by area and so it could be used as another way to > see who was in a > > township or town and not yet in the services, maybe. Or it > could contain > > something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: > location, name, > > age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a > couple other > > fields. New stuff - always great! > > > > Thanks / Tom > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: > > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM > > To: > > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > > > >> I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it > were several > >> links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the > original cards > >> and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers > kept by whom > >> ever was recording the information for that particular > county, so you are > >> looking at the original documents. The title is: > >> > >> US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] > >> wrote:===========================================Can you > clarify what this > >> collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've > seen, but I'm > >> not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the > collection you > >> mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension > folder for > >> each soldier?Thanks / > >> Tom--------------------------------------------------From: > Sent: Saturday, > >> April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil > War Ancestors> > >> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension > Applications as well as > >> > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. 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>From what I've read, you could legitimately pay someone to go in your place. Even back then, war was waged by the lower orders and the most patriotic. Not sure how much it cost to get a replacement for yourself or your son, but I've read over and over about this practice. Apparently it was enough to entice the poor to sign up, but not so much as to bankrupt the wealthy who didn't want to expose their sons to the risk. The amount might have varied in different locations, too. I'm sure there was a name for this practice, but if I ever knew it, I've forgotten. Doris ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Jim Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:09:04 -0400 I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult that would have been to pull off? -Jim Miller On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky. They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which is easy to read. Although it takes time, you can do the entire county for other family members with different surnames. > > Judy > > > Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the > applications. The actual applications and accompanying paperwork can be just > a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, > including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, discharge > papers, etc. I went through the folders for my two Civil War soldiers and a > few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them online eventually > as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the volume for the > Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. > > I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, that was cool. > It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also listed the men > generally by area and so it could be used as another way to see who was in a > township or town and not yet in the services, maybe. Or it could contain > something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: location, name, > age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a couple other > fields. New stuff - always great! > > Thanks / Tom > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > >> I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several >> links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the original cards >> and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom >> ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are >> looking at the original documents. The title is: >> >> US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com >> >> >> >> >> >> .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] >> wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this >> collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm >> not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you >> mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for >> each soldier?Thanks / >> Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, >> April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> >> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as >> > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. 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I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult that would have been to pull off? -Jim Miller On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky.  They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which is easy to read.  Although it takes time,  you can do the entire county for other family members with different surnames. > > Judy > > > Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the > applications. The actual applications and accompanying paperwork can be just > a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, > including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, discharge > papers, etc.  I went through the folders for my two Civil War soldiers and a > few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them online eventually > as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the volume for the > Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. > > I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, that was cool. > It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also listed the men > generally by area and so it could be used as another way to see who was in a > township or town and not yet in the services, maybe.  Or it could contain > something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: location, name, > age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a couple other > fields.  New stuff - always great! > > Thanks / Tom > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > >> I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several >> links to various sites.  The Pension Applications are the original cards >> and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom >> ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are >> looking at the original documents.  The title is: >> >> US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com >> >> >> >> >> >> .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] >> wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this >> collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm >> not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you >> mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for >> each soldier?Thanks  / >> Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, >> April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> >> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as >>  > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records.  These seem to be Union >>  > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > >> descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed.>> >> Judy>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to > [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the bo! >> dy of the message> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the >> list, please send an email to [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don't know, but do know that sometimes strange things occured. My ggg grandfather who lived in southern Indiana, would desert each spring and summer and return to his unit in the fall. Had to keep the family farm going. Judy Apr 9, 2011 02:09:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== I've learned that all of most of my ancestors dodged the draft! I guess that says something in and of itself. Any idea how difficult that would have been to pull off? -Jim Miller On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:42 AM, wrote: > I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky.  They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which is easy to read.  Although it takes time,  you can do the entire county for other family members with different surnames. > > Judy > > > Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the > applications. The actual applications and accompanying paperwork can be just > a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, > including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, discharge > papers, etc.  I went through the folders for my two Civil War soldiers and a > few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them online eventually > as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the volume for the > Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. > > I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, that was cool. > It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also listed the men > generally by area and so it could be used as another way to see who was in a > township or town and not yet in the services, maybe.  Or it could contain > something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: location, name, > age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a couple other > fields.  New stuff - always great! > > Thanks / Tom > -------------------------------------------------- > From: > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > >> I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several >> links to various sites.  The Pension Applications are the original cards >> and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom >> ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are >> looking at the original documents.  The title is: >> >> US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com >> >> >> >> >> >> .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] >> wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this >> collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm >> not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you >> mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for >> each soldier?Thanks  / >> Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, >> April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> >> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as >>  > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records.  These seem to be Union >>  > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > >> descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed.>> >> Judy>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, >> please send an email to > [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the bo! >> dy of the message> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the >> list, please send an email to [email protected] with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the applications. The actual applications and accompanying paperwork can be just a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, discharge papers, etc. I went through the folders for my two Civil War soldiers and a few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them online eventually as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the volume for the Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, that was cool. It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also listed the men generally by area and so it could be used as another way to see who was in a township or town and not yet in the services, maybe. Or it could contain something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: location, name, age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a couple other fields. New stuff - always great! Thanks / Tom -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several > links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the original cards > and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom > ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are > looking at the original documents. The title is: > > US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com > > > > > > .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] > wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this > collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm > not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you > mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for > each soldier?Thanks / > Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, > April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> > Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as > > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. These seem to be Union > > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > > descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed.>> > Judy>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to > [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the bo! > dy of the message> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can you clarify what this collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for each soldier? Thanks / Tom -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:39 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. These seem to be Union > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed. > > Judy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I like the fact that the Draft ledgers listed men from the same areas, especially when you are doing an area heavily populated with Dutch names, such as Mercer County Kentucky. They also listed their age, occupation, living or dead. You are looking at what appears to be a hand written ledger list, which is easy to read. Although it takes time, you can do the entire county for other family members with different surnames. Judy Apr 9, 2011 11:04:11 AM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== OK, I think the Pension Applications are the index cards to the applications. The actual applications and accompanying paperwork can be just a few letters back and forth or up to hundreds of pages of material, including Bible records as proof, affidavits from many people, discharge papers, etc. I went through the folders for my two Civil War soldiers and a few kin about 20 years ago, and was hoping they'd put them online eventually as they did with the Revolutionary Pension folders. But the volume for the Civil War ones will be much higher, of course. I found one of my soldiers in the draft registration records, that was cool. It didn't add any new data in that one case, but it also listed the men generally by area and so it could be used as another way to see who was in a township or town and not yet in the services, maybe. Or it could contain something new you've never seen, but the info is limited: location, name, age on a certain date in 1863, occupation, race, and maybe a couple other fields. New stuff - always great! Thanks / Tom -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:55 AM To: Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors > I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several > links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the original cards > and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom > ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are > looking at the original documents. The title is: > > US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com > > > > > > .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] > wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this > collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm > not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you > mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for > each soldier?Thanks / > Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, > April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> > Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as > > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. These seem to be Union > > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > > descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed.>> > Judy>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to > [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the bo! > dy of the message> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the > list, please send an email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received an email from Ancestry. com this am. and on it were several links to various sites. The Pension Applications are the original cards and the Draft Records, are actually note books or ledgers kept by whom ever was recording the information for that particular county, so you are looking at the original documents. The title is: US Civil War Draft Registration Records, 1863-1865 - Ancestry.com .Apr 9, 2011 10:45:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:===========================================Can you clarify what this collection contains, please? The Pension Index cards I've seen, but I'm not getting any hits on my Civil War soldiers in the collection you mention. Do they have the actual images from the full pension folder for each soldier?Thanks / Tom--------------------------------------------------From: Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:39 AMTo: Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] civil War Ancestors> Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as > theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. These seem to be Union > Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many > descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed.>> Judy>> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the bo! dy of the message> -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ancestry.com has just posted the Civil War Pension Applications as well as theConsolidated List of Civil War Draft Records. These seem to be Union Soldiers only but do include Kentucky and Missouri and there are many descendants of our Dutch ancestors listed. Judy

Who are the parents of Catherine "Katie" Schermerhorn, b 17 Nov 1791; d 28 Mar 1870? She shares a tombstone with her husband, Henry Niles, b. abt. 1787, d. 20 Feb. 1847, in the St. Patrick’s Roman Catholic (Coeymans) Church at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Albany, NY. I’ve been able to trace one of her husband’s collateral lines, which married into my Waggoners. But I can’t find this particular Catherine Schermerhorn. She was apparently a published illustrator of books, and in 1850 lived with her daughter Anna May Niles Johnson in Coeymans. I can’t even find her by searching <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/families/schermerhorn/chronicles/index.html the Schermerhorn Family Chronicles online, in the Schenectady History site. But she must have been a real person, to have a tombstone, and to show up in at least one census record. Can someone perhaps find her baptismal record? She may or may not have been baptized Catholic. Thanks, Doris ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d9f5073c825c639e9fst03vuc

While I cannot identify the names listed, I can tell you that most quilts of this nature were created as a gift, either for a minister who was leaving a church, for a bride, or in memory of some one. More times than not the recipient was leaving the area, so it was a "to remember us by" quilt. Often the square in the center of the quilt identifies the recipient of the quilt. You are fortunate that the individuals name are given, as often only initial's were stitched in. Squares were given each participant who decorated them or signed their names as they desired and then they were incorporated into the creation of the quilt. More often then not, they were women, however, from time to time, a man's name was included. Since this quilt was made during the beginning of the civil war, it may be that this was given to someone going off to war. Many quilts have been found which were made for that purpose, to remind a soldier of those who loved him as well as to keep him warm. Quilts like this were also raffled off as fund raisers during the war to help raise money for various causes. Again the women of a particular church would do this to help aide the war effort. Judy Cassidy Apr 5, 2011 07:46:16 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Hello, List, Maybe you can help. The Nyack Quilt now in the possesion of the Historical Society of the Nyacks is about to be exhibited (May 7). I am among a few who are trying to identify the 44 signers (all women) and the reason why they might have made this quilt in 1862. One theory is that it could have been made to raise funds to support local men who enlisted. Thirteen of the signers are Blauvelt and Haring women. In the "Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System" (CWSS; National Parks website), I have found 98 Blauvelt and Haring men who enlisted from New York and New Jersey. One of the most intriguing is Abram Pye Haring, who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1864 for his bravery at Bachelors Creek, NC, defending New Berne, NC. Unfortunately, although he is well documented in the CMOH records, the CWSS System does not have him. Does anyone know who this man is? He was born in New York, New York, on November 15, 1840. Died on February 22, 1915. Was married to Emma Hollet. He appears in the 1860 and 1870 Federal Censuses in the household of Kimball Dunham. Is buried in Canterbury Cemetery in Cornwall, NY. Any help in placing him into the Blauvelt and Haring families will be most appreciated. Thank you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> One of the most intriguing is Abram Pye Haring, who was awarded the > Congressional Medal of Honor in 1864 for his bravery at Bachelors Creek, NC, > defending New Berne, NC. Unfortunately, although he is well documented in > the CMOH records, the CWSS System does not have him. > > Does anyone know who this man is? He was born in New York, New York, on > November 15, 1840. Died on February 22, 1915. Was married to Emma Hollet. He > appears in the 1860 and 1870 Federal Censuses in the household of Kimball > Dunham. Is buried in Canterbury Cemetery in Cornwall, NY. > > Any help in placing him into the Blauvelt and Haring families will be most > appreciated. If you check the NYS Civil War Soldiers Database: <http://www.archives.nysed.gov/a/research/res_topics_mi_civilwar_dbintro.shtml> You'll see an Abram P. Haring in the 132nd Infantry, and you may order his records. The 132nd appears to be a New York City regiment, and you may view brief sketches of the individual soldiers in the Adjutant General's report at: <http://dmna.state.ny.us/historic/reghist/civil/rosters/Infantry/132nd_Infantry_CW_Roster.pdf> The report is several hundred pages. -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

Hello, List, Maybe you can help. The Nyack Quilt now in the possesion of the Historical Society of the Nyacks is about to be exhibited (May 7). I am among a few who are trying to identify the 44 signers (all women) and the reason why they might have made this quilt in 1862. One theory is that it could have been made to raise funds to support local men who enlisted. Thirteen of the signers are Blauvelt and Haring women. In the "Civil War Soldiers and Sailors System" (CWSS; National Parks website), I have found 98 Blauvelt and Haring men who enlisted from New York and New Jersey. One of the most intriguing is Abram Pye Haring, who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor in 1864 for his bravery at Bachelors Creek, NC, defending New Berne, NC. Unfortunately, although he is well documented in the CMOH records, the CWSS System does not have him. Does anyone know who this man is? He was born in New York, New York, on November 15, 1840. Died on February 22, 1915. Was married to Emma Hollet. He appears in the 1860 and 1870 Federal Censuses in the household of Kimball Dunham. Is buried in Canterbury Cemetery in Cornwall, NY. Any help in placing him into the Blauvelt and Haring families will be most appreciated. Thank you.

I didn't realize I was sending my message to the entire list -- I meant to send it to just Regina, but the default reply went to the List. A typo error was in my message -- the quilt I have was made in 1876, not 1776. Sorry for the error! Pat [email protected]

Regina -- I would love to see a photo of this quilt -- thanks. Also, I'd be interested in any comments you receive about it. Do you have any idea of the value of these old quilts? I'm interested because I wonder if I should insure mine, and if so, how much to insure them for. I have a quilt made by my ancestor, Maria Haring, in 1776 (the date is in the center of the quilt. Years ago, because the edges were fraying, my mother sewed a brown border on this quilt -- unfortunately she sewed it on using a sewing machine!!! I can't see well enough to pick those tiny machine stitches out, and I'm not sure that I wouldn't end up damaging it, even if I could manage to see well enough to get those tiny machine stitches out. She meant well, but..... I have another quilt -- a "friendship quilt, in red and white. This one is just the pieced top; it was never made into a quilt. This is part of what got me interested in local history and genealogy all those many years ago -- I wanted to find out how all those names fit into the family history. Here are the names embroidered on the quilt -- Names on Haring-Sneden friendship quilt owned by Patricia A. Wardell (Note: Jessie Blacklidge, whose name appears on the quilt, lived only from 1873-1875, so the quilt would seem to date from those years as only living persons' names seem to appear on it): Evalyn Smith Martha Haring Mercer S. Smith John Riker Dellie Smith Jennie Sneden Sadie Sneden Edith Riker Lizzie Quackenbush Smith Sneden James B. Quackenbush Frank Sneden John C. Holdrum Isaac Quackenbush Hattie Haring Mamie Sneden Lois Haring Ira Haring Kate E. Sneden Jessie Holdrum Maud Sneden John J. Blacklidge Cornelia A. Sneden Warren N. Haring Maggie Blacklidge Leonard B. Sneden John A. Haring Jessie Blacklidge Evva Sneden Wilbur Haring Minnie Holland Kittie A. Sneden Grettie Haring John Holland J. Wesley Sneden Lizzie Sneden Rudd Sneden Elizabeth Riker Emily Holdrum Mary Sneden John Riker Jr. Jacob Sneden J. Arthur Blacklidge Charlie Sneden Kate D. Holdrum Edward Riker Please, when you get a chance, send me a picture of the Nyack quilt -- I'd really love to see it. Also -- how did you photograph it? I'd like to photography my two famiily quilts, but I don't quite know how to do it. Pat On Apr 4, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Regina Haring wrote: > The Nyack Historical Society has recently come into possession of a > pieced > quilt with the words "Nyack" and "1862" appearing on it. > > The identical blocks are signed in their centers mostly by young > women - a > few older ones - 44 in all. There were among them seven Haring > signatures > and six Blauvelts and many other familiar Rockland and Bergen county > names. > > We're wondering if perhaps the quilt was made in some way to support > the > Civil War effort? The pastor of the Greenbush Presbyterian Church > did go to > Virginia as a chaplain for a time, and some of the signers were > members of > that church, but not all. It doesn't have the romantic look of a > bridal > quilt. > > Any thoughts would be appreciated. I can send a picture privately to > anyone > who wishes to see what it looks like. > > Regina Haring > Nanuet, NY > http://www.dutchdoorgenealogy.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message