$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Holly Timm <[email protected]> wrote: > shucks... that should read be unable to justify <sigh> > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Holly Timm > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > > I should think a great deal depends on the geography of our ancestors. > Certainly, based on my mother's early NY Dutch colonial lines I would be > able to justify NEHGS membership. I am a member because my paternal > grandfather's lines go back into the early 1700's and the 1600's of New > England. Even so, I would love to be able to purchase a CD of the complete > NNC. > > Holly Timm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:00 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > > Hi Dorothy, > > I am thrilled to have them available on NEHGS. Anyone who says they have > no > other reason to join obviously doesn't know about all the benefits of NEHGS > and its fabulous library and website. NNC is just one more of their > excellent data bases. > > Barbara > > Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. > Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother > 155 Polifly Road > Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > > (201) 567-9440 office > http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:33:16 PM > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some time. > I > recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that they are working > on > indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the whole set) and that they > will be posted to the database as soon as possible. > > Dorothy > > >Terry, > > > >The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at > >their website, www.americanancestors.org > > > >I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them to > >your e-mail address shortly. > > > >Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online > >collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online > >more than two years ago). > > > >Chris Chester > >On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: > > > >> Hi Dorothy, > >> > >> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven > >> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles > >>from > >> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. > >> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim > >> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. > >> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 > >> > >> Grateful thanks > >> > >> > >> Terry Haslam-Jones > >> Rossendale > >> England > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My ancestors Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had five children baptized in NA DRChurch. Children of Cozyn Gerritszen and Vroutje Gerrits: Child: Gerrit. Parents: Cozyn Gerrits, Vrouwtie Cozyns. Bp: 20 May 1640. New Amsterdam DRCh. Wits: Aert Theunis, Aert Willems, Tryntje Everts, Wyntje Elberts. [NYDC 2:10] Married: Belitje Quick Child: Margariet. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 5 May 1641. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:12] Wits: Jacob van curlaer en syn huys v, Barent dircksz. Baecker, Rachel Vigne. Married: (1) Herman Theuniszeen (2) Jan Pietersen Haring. See below. (3) Daniel DeClark. Child: Hendrick. Parent: Couzyn Gerritszen. Bp: 20 Jan 1647. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:21] Wits: Sibert Claeszen, en syn huys vr., Teunis Nyssen, en syn huys vr., Cornelis Corneliszen. Child: Geertje. Parent. Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 4 July 1649. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:26] Wits; Thomas Hall, Geurt Koerten, Herman Smeeman, Pytie Jans, Geertje Koerten. Married: Andries Jeuriaensz Child: Elsje. Parent: Cozyn Gerritszen. Bp: 19 May 1652. New Amsterdam DRCh. [NYDC 2:31] Wits: Nicolaes Verleth, Hendrick Janszen, Lyntie Jochems, Belitje Cornelis. This query concerns their daughter Margariet, bp 5 May 1641 who married (1) Herman Theuniszen 19 April 1654 and (2) Jan Pietersen Haring in 1662 (3) Daniel DeClark 4 March 1685. * * A Brief Timeline on Margariet aka Grietje Cozyn.* * 5 May 1641. Baptism: Child: Margariet d/o Cozyn Gerritzen was bp 5 May 1641. [NYDC 2:12] 19 April 1654. Marriage: Grietje Cosyns to (1) Herman Theuniszen VanZell 19 April 1654. [NYDC 1:18] The above Margariet is 12 years, 11 months old. 6 Sept 1655. Hendrick Pietersen, plft vs Grietie Cosyns, deft. [RNA v2:160] Pltf. says, deft. made use of his horse, and rode thereon, and also let it stray in the woods. Requests, that she be condemned to search for the horse and deliver it to him when found, at her own expense. Deft. says, pltf’s horse broke into her buckwheat, and as she wished to lead him from her land she sat on him and brought him to the Fresh Water, to prevent any further damage. Maintains that she is not bound to satisfy pltf’s demand. Parties being heard, it was decided by the Court that the deft was justified to bring the horse from her land to prevent damage. Wherefore pltf’s demand is dismissed. Minutes of the Court of Burgomasters and Schepens 1653-1655 [RNA V1:352,353] EKK: The above Margariet is 14 years, four months and a married woman of one year, four months. Did Hendrick Pietersen take a child to court? Is that legal? Why isn't her husband with her or mentioned in the court record? It mentions 'her buckwheat' and "her land" Did she own land? It is a hard to believe story for a 14 year old child. 24 Feb 1658. Grietje Cozyn becomes a mother. The above Margariet is 16 years, nine months. Witsuntide 1662. Margarette Cozine married (2) Jan Haring. [Bible record]. She has seven children. 4 March 1685. Grietie Cozyns married (3) Daniel De Clark. NYDC 1:56] No issue. -------------------------- There are many excellent articles and genealogies by respected researchers on the Harings. Plus the Harings are mentioned in many many deeds, wills, church and court records etc. BUT I find it hard to believe that a child 12 years, 11 months old, married Theuniszen VanZell on 19 April 1654 and married by a Dutch Reformed minister. 'It don't fit' It was suggested that Margariet/Grietje was born earlier than her brother Gerrit who was bp: 20 May 1640. IF Cozyn Gerritsen Cozyn and Vroutje Gerrits had a child Margariet/Grietje born say 1637, she would be about 16/17 at marriage, still young, but believable. BUT, if the parents had a child Margariet/Grietje in 1637, that child had to die young to name another child Margariet/Grietje on 5 May 1641. Any and all suggestions welcome. Best regards, Ethel Kay Konight

Dear Holly and All, First of all, it is just grand to see this Dutch-Colonies list wake up from its recent deep coma :-)! It gives me joy to know that the trusty regulars are all out there as their familiar names pop up in my inbox. Note that "In January 2008 I freely granted "exclusive permission to allow NEHGS to electronically publish New Netherland Connections on the NEHGS website..." If anyone wants to propose to the Society that they make a CD available, the appropriate person to contact at the New England Historic Genealogical Society is Thomas Wilcox, Chief Operating Officer, NEHGS. Tom's email address is [email protected] Dorothy >I should think a great deal depends on the geography of our ancestors. >Certainly, based on my mother's early NY Dutch colonial lines I would be >able to justify NEHGS membership. I am a member because my paternal >grandfather's lines go back into the early 1700's and the 1600's of New >England. Even so, I would love to be able to purchase a CD of the complete >NNC. > >Holly Timm > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare >Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > >Hi Dorothy, > >I am thrilled to have them available on NEHGS. Anyone who says they have no >other reason to join obviously doesn't know about all the benefits of NEHGS >and its fabulous library and website. NNC is just one more of their >excellent data bases. > >Barbara > >Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. >Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother >155 Polifly Road >Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 > >(201) 567-9440 office >http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > >________________________________ >From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:33:16 PM >Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > >Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some time. I >recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that they are working on >indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the whole set) and that they >will be posted to the database as soon as possible. > >Dorothy > >>Terry, >> >>The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at >>their website, www.americanancestors.org >> >>I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them to >>your e-mail address shortly. >> >>Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online >>collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online >>more than two years ago). >> >>Chris Chester >>On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: >> >>> Hi Dorothy, >>> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles >>>from >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 >>> >>> Grateful thanks >>> >>> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones >>> Rossendale >>> England >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>[email protected] >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We are looking for any variant spelling of this name that may have originated in Holland. Any help appreciated.. I cant give dates as of yet but if anyone recognises the name or different spelling of the name please get in touch.. Margaret Visit the Spearin Surname Project @ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~spearin/Index.html

Doctor Cornelis Spiering, banished from Antwerp (Flanders) in 1567, moved to England. He became an elder of the Italian Reformed church in London. He became an elder of the Dutch church in London, became a notary public. His daughter Catharina, was baptized in Austin Friars Dutch church on London on 29 Oct. 1587. Find a bio on him under SPIRINXUS in Nieuw Nederlandsch Biografisch Woordenboek at http://www.inghist.nl/retroboeken/nnbw/ One Magdalena Spierincx, already a widow in 1571, married three more times in London. See records of Austin Friars, London, which is online. A Francois Spiering (Francois Spierincx), a cloth shearer, with wife Nies Pieters, had children in Amsterdam between 1589 and 1601. Frans Spiering (1549/51-1631) of Antwerp, moved to Delft, Zuid-Holland. Wife: Maria Menninck. He owned a tapestry weaving manufactory. One of his sons was appointed Swedish ambassador in 1635; the other inherited the business. There must have been a Gijsbersdr Spierinck well before 1480, because his daughter Yda Gijsbersdr Spierinck married Goossen Michiels van Vaerlaer, and had at least two sons with him ca 1510. One of the sons was a silk merchant. See Parenteel van Vaerlaer / (van) Strijbosch: http://www.antenna.nl/~daktari/vaerlaer.htm Some of these van Verlaers moved to Amsterdam. A family of at least four siblings, from Tournai, are found in Leiden marriage records in the 1580's to 1599. One Jacques Spierincx was a toolmaker; having children in Amdterdam between 1589 and 1612. His son Jacques (Jacob Jacob) Spierincks may be the toolmaker who provided a chest of tools to the Colonial patroon Kiliaen van Rensselaer, which was included in a shipment sent to the colony in 1634. See Van Rensselaer Bouwery Manuscripts. Apparently, O'Callaghan (History of New Netherland) had erronaously supposed that Jacques Spierincks had gone to Rensselaerswyck as a settler, which was not the case. No clue if any of these families now have living descendents who would like to buy a DNA kit, but hope this helps somehow. Liz J On 3 June 2011 21:43, Margaret Spearin <[email protected]> wrote: > > We are looking for any variant spelling of this name that may have  originated in Holland. Any help appreciated.. I cant give dates as of yet but if anyone recognises the name or different spelling of the name please get in touch.. > Margaret

Jerry, your trip sounds like some of mine. I've known that an ancestor came from a certain town, but nothing more. So, you just look around, soak up the atmosphere and try to imagine what the place was like 300 years earlier. Sometimes, that's all you can do. BTW...Vandiver. Any relation to Jacob Vander Veer of New Castle County, Delaware, who had a son, Cornelius Van Diver (ca. 1658-1712), who married a woman named Margaret.? My wife is a descendant of that line. I wasn't aware that the Dutch and English didn't get along. In earlier centuries, they were on the same side in many wars. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Vandiver" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 9:10 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > > Mark, > > First trip to the Netherlands was in 1990. I was in the Marine Corps at > the time and we had docked at Tulon on the south coast of France for a > month of training with NATO forces. I took two weeks of leave, flew my > second ex-wife into Paris and we rode the night train to Amsterdam. We > stayed in Amsterdam and traveled to various presumed ancestral home towns > over a two week period. As Cor mentioned, nearly everyone spoke English, > everyone was friendly and my wife and I never got a second glance > (ex-wives #2 & 3 are both Black). > Went to the municipality of Egmont and town of Voorhout, supposed origins > of ancestor Cornelius Segerszen. Spent a day in Alkmaar where it would > appear was origins of ancestor Lyzbeth Tyssen, wife of Maryn Adrianszen > (van Veere). All three wonderful places, but we only spent a day in each. > > Emphasis was on Veere, Kloetinge and Wemeldinge in Zeeland. It is assumed > that ancestor Maryn Adriaenszen was from Veere as well as ancestor Jacop > Van der Veer who settled on the South River. Cornelius Janszen Dominicus > who adopted the surname Vanderveer when he immigrated to the colony and > settled on Long Island was born in Kloetinge. His brother Jacob Janszen > Dominicus is found in documents as owing Cornelius money for the sale of > property in Wemeldinge. I have not found a connection to the Long Island > Vanderveers, I work on any family with the surname Vanderveer by any > spelling. Had I known at the time that Michael Paulszen van der Voort was > direct ancestor of more than a third of Vandiver’s today, I would have > ventured over into Belgium as well. > > When we got there, it was explained to us that Veere was not really a town > anymore. Something more akin to a living museum with a scant few residents > and a yacht club. The town hall, church, etc. have all been restored and > maintained. There is an area where all the Scots lived, the Lords Van > Veere (the van Borssellen family) had intermarried with the Stuarts and > conducted trade directly for many years. > > Our trip to Veere was entertaining. First took the train from Amsterdam to > Roosendaal where we had to change to a train going to Middelburg. > Roosendaal was extremely beautiful, flowers everywhere, very nice but we > were on a schedule and couldn’t look around for long. When we got to > Middelburg we found that we had to take a bus out to Veere. > It was really hot and we had to wait for an hour, so we went into a small > bar across from the bus stop. When we walked in it was like one of those > old Western movies where the piano stops playing, the room goes silent … > everyone turned and looked at us. My wife nudged me and whispered that > maybe we should go back to the bus stop, so we turned around to leave and > the bar tender asked me something in Dutch. I turned back and answered > that I didn’t speak Dutch and a gentleman sitting at the bar said she > wanted to know if we were English or American. I told him American and > immediately the piano started playing again and everyone went back to > their conversations, darts, etc. > > The gentleman at the bar invited us to sit with him at a booth and we > talked with him for about an hour. It turned out that he had served in the > Dutch Royal Marines and had trained with American Marines a couple times. > When we were about to go out to catch the bus I asked him what would have > happened if we had been English! He smiled and said that we probably would > have been stoned to death in the square. HA! > > Jerry D. Vandiver > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:33 PM > > > Thanks, Cor. I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they > found and how they went about finding them. > > As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), > the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van > Buren > (and me). He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren > from > which he took his name. Since one of his descendants became president of > the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely > to > have his homesite marked in some way. Is it? I have no clue. (Google > Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not > particularly old looking -- little village.) > > I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in > big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Out in the villages, however, > that > may be less true. > > Mark > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > >> Hi Mark, >> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >>> of >>> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? >> >> You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities >> do you want to visit, etc. >> The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands >> speaks English. >> >> Regards >> Cor Snabel >> The Netherlands >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amy. She didn't give me a date when she's leaving. I'm sure that your judgment on this would be better than mine. Billie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 5:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] posting This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let you know that. Judy Cassidy Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== RE: NNC I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - www.CarolynBLeonard.com for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: http://www.dutchcousins.info/ Hope you can be there for all of it. Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin Carolyn www.CarolynBLeonard.com Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle for $4.99 http://amzn.to/dTevq8 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: DUTCH-COLONIES Digest, Vol 6, Issue 49 Today's Topics: 1. Re: NNC (Dorothy Koenig) 2. Re: posting (ROLAND ELLIOTT) 3. Re: NNC (Nora Probasco) 4. Re: posting ([email protected]) 5. Re: Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? (Jerry Vandiver) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:24:40 -0700 From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected][66.117.138.54]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we genealogists are generous, sharing folks. Dorothy >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. Then >it would be up to them to do it. > >Nora > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <j[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone >> interested. Judy >> >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> =========================================== >> >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! >> >> Jean Boutcher >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: >> >> >> From: Chris Chester >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM >> >> >> Dorothy, >> >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. >> >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? >> >> Chris Chester >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: >> >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as >> > possible. >> > >> > Dorothy >> > >> >> Terry, >> >> >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org >> >> >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them >> >> to >> >> your e-mail address shortly. >> >> >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online >> >> more than two years ago). >> >> >> >> Chris Chester >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Dorothy, >> >>> >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles >> >>> from >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 >> >>> >> >>> Grateful thanks >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones >> >>> Rossendale >> >>> England >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:30:44 -0700 From: ROLAND ELLIOTT <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] posting To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:47:38 -0400 From: Nora Probasco <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the clarification, Dorothy. It is a wonderful magazine! Nora On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. > It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price > just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the > years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 > cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very > much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work > available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy > of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. > I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and > libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the > Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any > article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, > well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No > author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we > genealogists are generous, sharing folks. > > Dorothy > > >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. > Then > >it would be up to them to do it. > > > >Nora > > > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone > >> interested. Judy > >> > >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, dutc[email protected] wrote: > >> > >> =========================================== > >> > >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! > >> > >> Jean Boutcher > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Chris Chester > >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM > >> > >> > >> Dorothy, > >> > >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one > >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it > >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature > >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. > >> > >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? > >> > >> Chris Chester > >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some > >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that > >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the > >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as > >> > possible. > >> > > >> > Dorothy > >> > > >> >> Terry, > >> >> > >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, > at > >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org > >> >> > >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them > >> >> to > >> >> your e-mail address shortly. > >> >> > >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online > >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online > >> >> more than two years ago). > >> >> > >> >> Chris Chester > >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Dorothy, > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven > >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles > >> >>> from > >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. > >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim > >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. > >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 > >> >>> > >> >>> Grateful thanks > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones > >> >>> Rossendale > >> >>> England > >> >>> > >> >>> ------------------------------- > >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> >>> the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> > the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 17:57:07 -0500 (CDT) From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] posting To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You lost me on that one, my reference was to the new Dutch Cousins web site and a response to Carolyn Leanard actually, nothing more. Actually I thought I was responding off line. Judy Cassidy Jun 3, 2011 06:30:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Vandiver <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mark, ? First trip to the Netherlands was in 1990. I was in the Marine Corps at the time and we had docked at Tulon on the south coast of France for a month of training with NATO forces. I took two weeks of leave, flew my second ex-wife into Paris and we rode the night train to Amsterdam. We stayed in Amsterdam and traveled to various presumed ancestral home towns over a two week period. As Cor mentioned, nearly everyone spoke English, everyone was friendly and my wife and I never got a second glance (ex-wives #2 & 3 are both Black). Went to the municipality of Egmont and town of Voorhout, supposed origins of ancestor Cornelius Segerszen. Spent a day in Alkmaar where it would appear was origins of ancestor Lyzbeth Tyssen, wife of Maryn Adrianszen (van Veere). All three wonderful places, but we only spent a day in each. ? Emphasis was on Veere, Kloetinge and Wemeldinge in Zeeland. It is assumed that ancestor Maryn Adriaenszen was from Veere as well as ancestor Jacop Van der Veer who settled on the South River. Cornelius Janszen Dominicus who adopted the surname Vanderveer when he immigrated to the colony and settled on Long Island was born in Kloetinge. His brother Jacob Janszen Dominicus is found in documents as owing Cornelius money for the sale of property in Wemeldinge. I have not found a connection to the Long Island Vanderveers, I work on any family with the surname Vanderveer by any spelling. Had I known at the time that Michael Paulszen van der Voort was direct ancestor of more than a third of Vandiver?s today, I would have ventured over into Belgium as well. ? When we got there, it was explained to us that Veere was not really a town anymore. Something more akin to a living museum with a scant few residents and a yacht club. The town hall, church, etc. have all been restored and maintained. There is an area where all the Scots lived, the Lords Van Veere (the van Borssellen family) had intermarried with the Stuarts and conducted trade directly for many years. ? Our trip to Veere was entertaining. First took the train from Amsterdam to Roosendaal where we had to change to a train going to Middelburg. Roosendaal was extremely beautiful, flowers everywhere, very nice but we were on a schedule and couldn?t look around for long. When we got to Middelburg we found that we had to take a bus out to Veere. It was really hot and we had to wait for an hour, so we went into a small bar across from the bus stop. When we walked in it was like one of those old Western movies where the piano stops playing, the room goes silent ? everyone turned and looked at us. My wife nudged me and whispered that maybe we should go back to the bus stop, so we turned around to leave and the bar tender asked me something in Dutch. I turned back and answered that I didn?t speak Dutch and a gentleman sitting at the bar said she wanted to know if we were English or American. I told him American and immediately the piano started playing again and everyone went back to their conversations, darts, etc. ? The gentleman at the bar invited us to sit with him at a booth and we talked with him for about an hour. It turned out that he had served in the Dutch Royal Marines and had trained with American Marines a couple times. When we were about to go out to catch the bus I asked him what would have happened if we had been English! He smiled and said that we probably would have been stoned to death in the square. HA! ? Jerry D. Vandiver --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:33 PM Thanks, Cor.? I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they found and how they went about finding them. As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van Buren (and me).? He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren from which he took his name.? Since one of his descendants became president of the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely to have his homesite marked in some way.? Is it?? I have no clue.? (Google Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not particularly old looking -- little village.) I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam.? Out in the villages, however, that may be less true. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > Hi Mark, > >> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >> of >> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? > > You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities > do you want to visit, etc. > The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands > speaks English. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DUTCH-COLONIES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DUTCH-COLONIES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Dorothy--Thanks again in so many ways for NNC! All--The Family History Library in Salt Lake City has begun filming NNC and issues through 2003 are already available through your local Family History Center. For more information, see... http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~streeter/NNC/ Perry Streeter ([email protected]) www.perry.streeter.com -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Koenig [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we genealogists are generous, sharing folks. Dorothy

Mark, I have done a great deal of research on Jacop Van der Veer (as he signed his name) and his descendants. The article I was preparing for NNC is about 30 pages, but not completed prior to Dorothy retiring the publication. I have a small google group at this link: http://groups.google.com/group/family-history-storage-and-discussion Google groups are eliminating the Documents and Files, which are available at this time for download off the group. Only the Discussions will remain. There are bio's on Jacop Van der Veer and Maryn Adriaenszen as well as others in the Documents download. Several old maps are in the Files to include a survey of Jacop's property in Brandywine Hundred during his lifetime (the result of his court case with Tymen Stidden). Members of the group included the late Dr. Peter S. Craig, who made comments here and there. Dr. Craig had joined the group after asking me to review his article on the Vandever family which was published by the Swedish Colonial Society. The article can be viewed on their website. You wife is free to download all the Documents and Files, review the Discussions and join if she would like. The only caution is that much of the information on the Vanderford family is under copyright and pending publication. I also have some items on Pouls Jonsson from Jamtland (aka Sergeant Paulus Jansen) which is also under copyright. After she downloads and reviews, I would be happy to fill in any blanks I can. My take on the first four to five generations is probably the most thorough around, thanks to a few years of collaboration and mutual annoyance between myself and research partner Valerie Caufield. Jerry --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 7:08 PM Jerry, your trip sounds like some of mine.  I've known that an ancestor came from a certain town, but nothing more.  So, you just look around, soak up the atmosphere and try to imagine what the place was like 300 years earlier. Sometimes, that's all you can do. BTW...Vandiver.  Any relation to Jacob Vander Veer of New Castle County, Delaware, who had a son, Cornelius Van Diver (ca. 1658-1712), who married a woman named Margaret.?  My wife is a descendant of that line. I wasn't aware that the Dutch and English didn't get along.  In earlier centuries, they were on the same side in many wars. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jerry Vandiver" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 9:10 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > > Mark, > > First trip to the Netherlands was in 1990. I was in the Marine Corps at > the time and we had docked at Tulon on the south coast of France for a > month of training with NATO forces. I took two weeks of leave, flew my > second ex-wife into Paris and we rode the night train to Amsterdam. We > stayed in Amsterdam and traveled to various presumed ancestral home towns > over a two week period. As Cor mentioned, nearly everyone spoke English, > everyone was friendly and my wife and I never got a second glance > (ex-wives #2 & 3 are both Black). > Went to the municipality of Egmont and town of Voorhout, supposed origins > of ancestor Cornelius Segerszen. Spent a day in Alkmaar where it would > appear was origins of ancestor Lyzbeth Tyssen, wife of Maryn Adrianszen > (van Veere). All three wonderful places, but we only spent a day in each. > > Emphasis was on Veere, Kloetinge and Wemeldinge in Zeeland. It is assumed > that ancestor Maryn Adriaenszen was from Veere as well as ancestor Jacop > Van der Veer who settled on the South River. Cornelius Janszen Dominicus > who adopted the surname Vanderveer when he immigrated to the colony and > settled on Long Island was born in Kloetinge. His brother Jacob Janszen > Dominicus is found in documents as owing Cornelius money for the sale of > property in Wemeldinge. I have not found a connection to the Long Island > Vanderveers, I work on any family with the surname Vanderveer by any > spelling. Had I known at the time that Michael Paulszen van der Voort was > direct ancestor of more than a third of Vandiver’s today, I would have > ventured over into Belgium as well. > > When we got there, it was explained to us that Veere was not really a town > anymore. Something more akin to a living museum with a scant few residents > and a yacht club. The town hall, church, etc. have all been restored and > maintained. There is an area where all the Scots lived, the Lords Van > Veere (the van Borssellen family) had intermarried with the Stuarts and > conducted trade directly for many years. > > Our trip to Veere was entertaining. First took the train from Amsterdam to > Roosendaal where we had to change to a train going to Middelburg. > Roosendaal was extremely beautiful, flowers everywhere, very nice but we > were on a schedule and couldn’t look around for long. When we got to > Middelburg we found that we had to take a bus out to Veere. > It was really hot and we had to wait for an hour, so we went into a small > bar across from the bus stop. When we walked in it was like one of those > old Western movies where the piano stops playing, the room goes silent … > everyone turned and looked at us. My wife nudged me and whispered that > maybe we should go back to the bus stop, so we turned around to leave and > the bar tender asked me something in Dutch. I turned back and answered > that I didn’t speak Dutch and a gentleman sitting at the bar said she > wanted to know if we were English or American. I told him American and > immediately the piano started playing again and everyone went back to > their conversations, darts, etc. > > The gentleman at the bar invited us to sit with him at a booth and we > talked with him for about an hour. It turned out that he had served in the > Dutch Royal Marines and had trained with American Marines a couple times. > When we were about to go out to catch the bus I asked him what would have > happened if we had been English! He smiled and said that we probably would > have been stoned to death in the square. HA! > > Jerry D. Vandiver > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:33 PM > > > Thanks, Cor.  I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they > found and how they went about finding them. > > As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), > the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van > Buren > (and me).  He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren > from > which he took his name.  Since one of his descendants became president of > the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely > to > have his homesite marked in some way.  Is it?  I have no clue.  (Google > Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not > particularly old looking -- little village.) > > I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in > big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam.  Out in the villages, however, > that > may be less true. > > Mark > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > >> Hi Mark, >> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >>> of >>> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? >> >> You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities >> do you want to visit, etc. >> The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands >> speaks English. >> >> Regards >> Cor Snabel >> The Netherlands >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the clarification, Dorothy. It is a wonderful magazine! Nora On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. > It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price > just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the > years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 > cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very > much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work > available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy > of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. > I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and > libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the > Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any > article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, > well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No > author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we > genealogists are generous, sharing folks. > > Dorothy > > >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. > Then > >it would be up to them to do it. > > > >Nora > > > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone > >> interested. Judy > >> > >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> > >> =========================================== > >> > >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! > >> > >> Jean Boutcher > >> > >> > >> > >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Chris Chester > >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM > >> > >> > >> Dorothy, > >> > >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one > >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it > >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature > >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. > >> > >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? > >> > >> Chris Chester > >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: > >> > >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some > >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that > >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the > >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as > >> > possible. > >> > > >> > Dorothy > >> > > >> >> Terry, > >> >> > >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, > at > >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org > >> >> > >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them > >> >> to > >> >> your e-mail address shortly. > >> >> > >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online > >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online > >> >> more than two years ago). > >> >> > >> >> Chris Chester > >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Hi Dorothy, > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven > >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles > >> >>> from > >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. > >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim > >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. > >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 > >> >>> > >> >>> Grateful thanks > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones > >> >>> Rossendale > >> >>> England > >> >>> > >> >>> ------------------------------- > >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >>> [email protected] > >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> >>> the body of the message > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] > >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> > the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mark,   First trip to the Netherlands was in 1990. I was in the Marine Corps at the time and we had docked at Tulon on the south coast of France for a month of training with NATO forces. I took two weeks of leave, flew my second ex-wife into Paris and we rode the night train to Amsterdam. We stayed in Amsterdam and traveled to various presumed ancestral home towns over a two week period. As Cor mentioned, nearly everyone spoke English, everyone was friendly and my wife and I never got a second glance (ex-wives #2 & 3 are both Black). Went to the municipality of Egmont and town of Voorhout, supposed origins of ancestor Cornelius Segerszen. Spent a day in Alkmaar where it would appear was origins of ancestor Lyzbeth Tyssen, wife of Maryn Adrianszen (van Veere). All three wonderful places, but we only spent a day in each.   Emphasis was on Veere, Kloetinge and Wemeldinge in Zeeland. It is assumed that ancestor Maryn Adriaenszen was from Veere as well as ancestor Jacop Van der Veer who settled on the South River. Cornelius Janszen Dominicus who adopted the surname Vanderveer when he immigrated to the colony and settled on Long Island was born in Kloetinge. His brother Jacob Janszen Dominicus is found in documents as owing Cornelius money for the sale of property in Wemeldinge. I have not found a connection to the Long Island Vanderveers, I work on any family with the surname Vanderveer by any spelling. Had I known at the time that Michael Paulszen van der Voort was direct ancestor of more than a third of Vandiver’s today, I would have ventured over into Belgium as well.   When we got there, it was explained to us that Veere was not really a town anymore. Something more akin to a living museum with a scant few residents and a yacht club. The town hall, church, etc. have all been restored and maintained. There is an area where all the Scots lived, the Lords Van Veere (the van Borssellen family) had intermarried with the Stuarts and conducted trade directly for many years.   Our trip to Veere was entertaining. First took the train from Amsterdam to Roosendaal where we had to change to a train going to Middelburg. Roosendaal was extremely beautiful, flowers everywhere, very nice but we were on a schedule and couldn’t look around for long. When we got to Middelburg we found that we had to take a bus out to Veere. It was really hot and we had to wait for an hour, so we went into a small bar across from the bus stop. When we walked in it was like one of those old Western movies where the piano stops playing, the room goes silent … everyone turned and looked at us. My wife nudged me and whispered that maybe we should go back to the bus stop, so we turned around to leave and the bar tender asked me something in Dutch. I turned back and answered that I didn’t speak Dutch and a gentleman sitting at the bar said she wanted to know if we were English or American. I told him American and immediately the piano started playing again and everyone went back to their conversations, darts, etc.   The gentleman at the bar invited us to sit with him at a booth and we talked with him for about an hour. It turned out that he had served in the Dutch Royal Marines and had trained with American Marines a couple times. When we were about to go out to catch the bus I asked him what would have happened if we had been English! He smiled and said that we probably would have been stoned to death in the square. HA!   Jerry D. Vandiver --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: From: Mark E. Dixon <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? To: [email protected] Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:33 PM Thanks, Cor.  I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they found and how they went about finding them. As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van Buren (and me).  He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren from which he took his name.  Since one of his descendants became president of the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely to have his homesite marked in some way.  Is it?  I have no clue.  (Google Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not particularly old looking -- little village.) I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam.  Out in the villages, however, that may be less true. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > Hi Mark, > >> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >> of >> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? > > You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities > do you want to visit, etc. > The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands > speaks English. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You lost me on that one, my reference was to the new Dutch Cousins web site and a response to Carolyn Leanard actually, nothing more. Actually I thought I was responding off line. Judy Cassidy Jun 3, 2011 06:30:50 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Cor. I was mainly interested in others' experiences -- what they found and how they went about finding them. As an example, however, let's take Cornelis Maessen Van Buren (1610-1648), the progenitor of the Van Buren family, the ancestor of President Van Buren (and me). He's commonly traced to the village of Burmalsen, near Buren from which he took his name. Since one of his descendants became president of the United States, I'm guessing that he is my Dutch ancestor most likely to have his homesite marked in some way. Is it? I have no clue. (Google Earth allowed me to virtually walk through a very neat -- though not particularly old looking -- little village.) I know that English is commonly spoken in the Netherlands -- especially in big cities like Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Out in the villages, however, that may be less true. Mark -------------------------------------------------- From: "cor snabel" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 4:02 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Ancestral sites in the Netherlands? > Hi Mark, > >> I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace >> of >> his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? > > You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities > do you want to visit, etc. > The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands > speaks English. > > Regards > Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let you know that. Judy Cassidy Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: =========================================== RE: NNC I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - www.CarolynBLeonard.com for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: http://www.dutchcousins.info/ Hope you can be there for all of it. Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin Carolyn www.CarolynBLeonard.com Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle for $4.99 http://amzn.to/dTevq8 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mark, > I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace of > his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? You have to be more specific, what do you want to find, which cities do you want to visit, etc. The language will be no problem, almost everyone in the Netherlands speaks English. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands

Now I am a son of a son and so fourth 12 times to NE and I was not asked so there On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is great, regarding the new website, I was unaware that it existed. > In addition, Issues of the New Netherlands Connections are on line at the > NEHGS web site, but you can't post to it. Just read them., so wanted to let > you know that. > > Judy Cassidy > > Jun 3, 2011 03:41:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > =========================================== > > RE: NNC > > I am a member of NEHGS, but had not noticed the NNC was posted on > there. I want to post info on our Dutch Cousins gathering in Kentucky > coming up this Fall, and our bus tour to New York. > > See you in Harrodsburg, KY, Friday Sept 30 and Saturday Oct 1, 2011, > for the FOURTH Dutch Cousins Gathering! Plan to stay Thursday through > Monday if you can. We will have a business meeting, election of new > officers, and a speaker on Thursday evening Sept 29. Exhibits, > excursion, dinner and speaker Friday evening. We will be at the > Extension center all day Saturday with catered meals (yum -remember > how good they were last year) and on Sunday Oct 2 a brunch followed by > worship at Old Mud and some sort of Veterans Memorial. > > Following that, we will leave on a sentimental and educational bus > journey to Dutch New York. We are almost ready to reveal the exciting > plans for this incredible trip to follow the footprints of our Low > Dutch ancestors back to New Amsterdam. Keep checking my web page - > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > for updates, and we have a new website by Pam Ellingson: > http://www.dutchcousins.info/ > > Hope you can be there for all of it. > > Hugs from your Okie Dutch cousin > Carolyn > > www.CarolynBLeonard.com > Isn't it time you read my books? You know you want to. > Wow! Price drop by Amazon - Download "Whos Your Daddy?" now on Kindle > for $4.99 > http://amzn.to/dTevq8 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm descended from a lot of Hudson River Dutch families: Van Buren, Van Vechten, Van Alstyne, Houghtaling, Bronck, Bogardus, etc., etc. Lots of you on this list are cousins. I'm wondering if anyone has visited the Netherlands and found any trace of his/her 17th Century Dutch ancestor? I'll be in the Netherlands for a couple of weeks this summer and will visit some of the cities and towns from which my ancestors came. But I don't know what, if anything there is to see. Part of the problem, of course, is that I don't speak or read Dutch. Language wasn't a problem when visiting ancestral places in England. I'd be interested to hear others' experiences. Thanks! Mark Wayne, PA

Dear Nora, I did not SELL "New Netherland Connections" to anyone. It was always a labor of love, and the reasonable subscription price just covered the costs of supplies and principally postage over the years. When I began in 1996 the cost to mail a 28-page issue was 75 cents. By 2010 the postage cost for each issue was $1.22. I very much appreciate NEHGS's request to make the whole body of work available in perpetuity electronically. In addition, I had a policy of giving anyone a free issue to see what the publication was like. I supplied free subscriptions over the years to 50 societies and libraries (where they still may be consulted). Anyone can ask the Allen County Public Library in Indiana for a xerox copy of any article for a very modest fee. As most of you know, subtantial, well-documented articles were published in NNC over the years. No author received any payment for his/her work. As a group, we genealogists are generous, sharing folks. Dorothy >The problem may be that she sold the rights for the NNC to the society. Then >it would be up to them to do it. > >Nora > >On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:56 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> A CD sounds like a super idea, one that would be available to everyone >> interested. Judy >> >> Jun 3, 2011 11:27:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> =========================================== >> >> Why not on a CD? That would be a splendid idea! >> >> Jean Boutcher >> >> >> >> --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris Chester wrote: >> >> >> From: Chris Chester >> Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 10:55 AM >> >> >> Dorothy, >> >> Personally, I would love to see all 15 volumes made available on one >> CD. If the NEHGS (or some other publisher) would do this, and make it >> available at a price commensurate with current CDs of a similar nature >> and size, I would venture to say that you would have a best seller. >> >> Has this ever been looked into or proposed? >> >> Chris Chester >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Dorothy Koenig wrote: >> >> > Dear Chris and All, Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some >> > time. I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that >> > they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the >> > whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as >> > possible. >> > >> > Dorothy >> > >> >> Terry, >> >> >> >> The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at >> >> their website, www.americanancestors.org >> >> >> >> I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them >> >> to >> >> your e-mail address shortly. >> >> >> >> Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online >> >> collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online >> >> more than two years ago). >> >> >> >> Chris Chester >> >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Dorothy, >> >>> >> >>> Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven >> >>> family and wonder if you might still have the following articles >> >>> from >> >>> NNC. I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. >> >>> Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim >> >>> Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. >> >>> 4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 >> >>> >> >>> Grateful thanks >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Terry Haslam-Jones >> >>> Rossendale >> >>> England >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] >> >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> >>> the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] >> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> > the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should think a great deal depends on the geography of our ancestors. Certainly, based on my mother's early NY Dutch colonial lines I would be able to justify NEHGS membership. I am a member because my paternal grandfather's lines go back into the early 1700's and the 1600's of New England. Even so, I would love to be able to purchase a CD of the complete NNC. Holly Timm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara de Mare Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC Hi Dorothy, I am thrilled to have them available on NEHGS.  Anyone who says they have no other reason to join obviously doesn't know about all the benefits of NEHGS and its fabulous library and website.  NNC is just one more of their excellent data bases. Barbara   Barbara L. de Mare, Esq. Attorney, historian, genealogist, grandmother 155 Polifly Road Hackensack, New Jersey 07601 (201) 567-9440 office http://historygenealogyesq.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: Dorothy Koenig <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:33:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] NNC Dear Chris and All,  Yes, volumes 1-12 have been available for some time.  I recently spoke to the folks at NEHGS, and they said that they are working on indexing volumes 13-15 (which will complete the whole set) and that they will be posted to the database as soon as possible. Dorothy >Terry, > >The NEHGS has made available volumes 1 thru 12 of NNC, to members, at >their website, www.americanancestors.org > >I do have digitized copies in PDF format here at home and send them to >your e-mail address shortly. > >Volumes 13, 14 and 15, have not yet been added to the NEHGS's online >collection. (Not sure what the hold up is, Vol. 12 was placed online >more than two years ago). > >Chris Chester >On Jun 2, 2011, at 3:30 PM, THJ wrote: > >>  Hi Dorothy, >> >>  Hope you are keeping well! I'm still pursuing the van der Hoeven >>  family and wonder if you might still have the following articles >>from >>  NNC.  I'm happy to pay for copies and postage. >>  Abstracts from Notarial Documents in the Amsterdam Archives by Pim >>  Nieuwenhuis published in New Netherland Connections in series Vol. >>  4:3,4; Vol. 5:1-3 >> >>  Grateful thanks >> >> >>  Terry Haslam-Jones >>  Rossendale >>  England >> >>  ------------------------------- >>  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] >>  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>  the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message