The early (17th-early 18th c.) church records of the NY and NJ congregations usually record, unless otherwise specified, the "registration" - registration of intent to marry - of a couple. Too many confuse these dates with dates of marriage.  We know that. My question is:  Am I correct in believing that the registration of marriage intent does not equate to the date of the first pronouncement of the banns?  They're no doubt not far off, but I don't believe that that means they're the same. Can anyone clarify this?

I don't know about clarifying this definitively, but there might be further considerations. Couples were eligible to marry after reading of the 3rd and last banns, on the third consecitive Sunday. But that doesn't mean they married later that day. The couple could marry any time after the last banns, and most probably did marry shortly thereafter. But without some kind of actual record, such as a family bible or register, the exact marriage date may remain impossible to pin down. Use a perpetual calendar to find the correct nearest Sunday. At some point in the New Amsterdam church records, they ceased recording the announcement date, and started using the actual marriage date in the records instead. I don't remember what year that was, but there was a discussion about this several years ago on the list here. Use the Advanced search here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 I don't find much of a problem with a date of intention versus an actual marriage date. If this is a concern, then it might be easily resolved by stating in your Sources box that the date you have was the date of the marriage intention. For the Amsterdam marriages (and those in Leiden and so forth) often I just use a parenthetical comment, 'Ondertrouw', after the citation (such as SAA DTB 433:34). Or I know this anyway, because I transcribed the record of marriage intention, and in this case, the transcription of the ondertrouw is placed in the Notes section for one or both parties of the marrying couple. Liz J On 9 January 2013 21:09, <nancyterhune@optonline.net> wrote: Cor, > Thank you! I appreciate your reply and am very grateful for your > information. We should all register it and apply it to our documentation. > > Speaking for myself, and in the progression of my research, I considered > it of the most importance to have distinguished marriage dates from first > dates of banns and to specify them in my research as different. I see, > however, that I'd misled myself: at least in the Reformed Church there are > three essential marriage-related dates: registration of intent, then first > announcement of banns (actually not specified), then marriage. Succession > of first to second to third Sunday banns pronouncements can be reasonably > assumed, historically. > > According to what you've provided - of which I have no doubt - we should > look at the registration dates on a historic calendar (by day of the week), > identify the closest following Sunday and extend the banns process from > there. Yes? > > This is of greatest importance: Who can clarify this for all, > definitively? We're lucky if we can make a dent in the marriage vs. banns > debate - step in to claim the reality field. How do we change the idea of > the entire context? The digital age of genealogy is a fill-in-the-blanks > affair, and its degree of detail is beyond what we're talking about here. > Really: what to do? > > N >

Nancy, Just one detail. > According to what you've provided - of which I have no doubt - we should look at the registration dates on a historic calendar (by day of the week), identify the closest following Sunday and extend the banns process from there. Yes? I think we have to be careful to always pick the closest following Sunday. What if the required consent was handed over one day too late, would the first pronouncement simply be postponed till next Sunday or would the whole procedure be canceled? I don't know. Sometimes I find marriage intentions that are complete, even with signatures of the couple, but erased. Some of those have a reference to another page on a later date. But there are no notes about why the records were erased. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands

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Hi Nancy et al, Nancy & list On 9 January 2013 19:53, <nancyterhune@optonline.net> wrote: > The early (17th-early 18th c.) church records of the NY and NJ congregations usually record, unless otherwise specified, the "registration" - registration of intent to marry - of a couple. > > Too many confuse these dates with dates of marriage. We know that. > > My question is: Am I correct in believing that the registration of marriage intent does not equate to the date of the first pronouncement of the banns? They're no doubt not far off, but I don't believe that that means they're the same. > > Can anyone clarify this? I can speak for the rules in Amsterdam and I know the DRC in New > Netherland had to follow the same rules. The registrations of the marriage intentions were during the week and the pronouncements were made in church on the three following Sundays. In some marriage intentions you can read a note in the margin, that they had to bring in the consent of the father before the first pronouncement. So you are right, they're not the same. Regards Cor Snabel > The Netherlands > William Nelson addressed many of these issues in the following: Nelson, William. *Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey*. *Vol. XXII: Marriage Records 1665-1800.* Patterson, NJ, USA: Press Printing and Publishing, 1900. About New Jersey Marriages, Colonial Era, 1665-1800 In addition to the marriage records in this database, included is an historical introduction on the early marriage laws of New Jersey ,and the precedents on which they were founded. Hope the above helps, Regards, Pam Sears

Nancy & list On 9 January 2013 19:53, <nancyterhune@optonline.net> wrote: > The early (17th-early 18th c.) church records of the NY and NJ congregations usually record, unless otherwise specified, the "registration" - registration of intent to marry - of a couple. > > Too many confuse these dates with dates of marriage. We know that. > > My question is: Am I correct in believing that the registration of marriage intent does not equate to the date of the first pronouncement of the banns? They're no doubt not far off, but I don't believe that that means they're the same. > > Can anyone clarify this? I can speak for the rules in Amsterdam and I know the DRC in New Netherland had to follow the same rules. The registrations of the marriage intentions were during the week and the pronouncements were made in church on the three following Sundays. In some marriage intentions you can read a note in the margin, that they had to bring in the consent of the father before the first pronouncement. So you are right, they're not the same. Regards Cor Snabel The Netherlands

Sorry, I scrolled too far. I meant to thank Nancy T for the compliment. Honor >>> Honor Conklin 1/9/2013 9:55 AM >>> Thank you Julia. Deliverance and Engeltje Boeckhout were the parents of Mattys Kancklely who married Feytie (Sophia) Mabie (Meeby) 27 Sep 1719 Hackensack DRC. The location of his birth and bp. is unknown. Joseph and Rebecca (Hyatt, Heyart) Conklin were the parents of Isaac, bp 24 March 1713, #257, Sleepy Hollow (Tarrytown) DRC who m 2) Lena Van Zyel, 6 August 1739 Hackensack DRC. You may see some references to her as Van Zyen. I don't recall ever coming across a Cosantie Concklin, nor anyone by that given name. There were Irish who came to America later who changed their name from Coughlin to Conklin. Any Conklin who is told they are of Irish descent should have their Y-DNA tested. There is a possiblity that some of the small extended family of Conklin glassmakers in England went with some of the Lorrainer glassmakers in England, to Ireland. Some were supposed to have gone later to Scotland after the fuel was changed from wood to coal. Honor >>> <nancyterhune@optonline.net> 1/7/2013 9:54 PM >>> Honor, You no doubt know, but others may not, that early members of the "pre-1700 Westchester Conklins" relocated to Bergen County, NJ - an area of my interest and of others on the list. I have information, and questions, and a bit of sheer outrageousness for all interested in the greater family (tune in, all, and read down-down-down). First: Your paper "Two Colonial Conklin Families in America: Y-DNA Analysis of the 'Long Island Conklins' and the 'Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins'"* I consider a paragon on every imaginable level and a gold-standard model for genealogists. * http://longislandgenealogy.com/Two%20Colonial%20Conklin%20Families.pdf Thank you for your surpassing excellent work. I. The earliest Conklins in Bergen County who I know originated in Westchester are found in the records of the Hackensack Dutch Reformed Church:** 27 Sept 1719 - registered the marriage intent of "Mattys Kanckely, y.m." born and living "manor of Flipsburg" (Philipsburg) and "Feytie Meeby, y.d." 5 July 1740 - registered the marriage intent of "Isaek Canklyn, w." (widower) born Westchester county, living Paramus, and Lena Van Zeyl, y.d." - married Aug 6. ** The Holland Society, Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey, Part I, c. 1891 THC of NY; reprint Bergen Historic Books 1998, pages 41 and 58. Who were their parents/ancestors? Mattys/Matthias: I have found several un-credible sources (Ancestry.com databases, IGBI, more) giving his father as Deliverance; Matthias b. 1698 or ca. 1698 Rye, Westchester. Do you have the correct information? Isaek/Isaac: Is he the Isaac baptized 24 Mar 1713, son of "Joseph Cankly" and "Rebecca his wife" at Sleepy Hollow? ("First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow,' Organized in 1697 and Now the First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N.Y." Online reproduction at google.com/books). Your paper page 33 points out the occurrence of the names Matthias and Isaac among the grandchildren of Deliverance. That is promising in my book. II. Do you have in your records a Cosantie Concklin, who may have married but probably did not marry Joost Zabriskie, son of the immigrant Albrecht (Albert), by 1725? I find her in only one place and doubt she existed. I am trying to rule her out. I have transcriptions of a family Bible record that give Cosantie Concklin as the mother of Joost's daughter, his last child Rachel b. 19 Mar 1725. This seems to contradict George Olin Zabriskie's genealogy of the Zabriskie family*** in which he cites a DAR transcription of the record giving Rachel's mother as Christina Mabie (Meby/Meeby) and does not include Cosantie anywhere. The transcriptions I have of the Bible record of Joost's daughter Rachel and her husband Johannes Demarest exist as a typescript as well as a handwritten "original" in the collection of the Bergen County Historical Society. I could possibly discredit them by observing that the handwritten original looks to be a copy made by the same person at the same time at a later date (ink, weight, style) and he/she entered Rachel's (and Johannes's) parents irregularly - written stacked and bracketed as if an insertion. Perhaps a "recollection" of the transcriber (we should all be spared). The quick way to eliminate Cosantie would be to confirm the death of Joost's wife Christina Mabie as later than Rachel's birth. Can anyone help with this? Among the children of Rachel Zabriskie and Johannes Demarest**** are two Christinas, no Cosanties. I don't have an English equivalent to Costantie; however her name might have been a variation of Carstyntje which I believe equates to Christina. *** Zabriskie, George Olin, The Zabriskie Family: A Three Hundred and one Year History of the descendants of Albrecht Zaborowskij (Ca 1638-1711) of Bergen County, New Jersey, c. 1963, Volume 1, p. 22. **** Ibid. and Demarest, Voorhis D. (ed./compiler), The Demarest Family, 1964; reprint 1992 Westview Press, p. IV-8. Note that this genealogy gives Rachel's parents as Jacob A. Zabriskie and Antje Terhune -- incorrect. III. Your paper p. 42 cites an "unidentified" source [which you clearly intend to mean weak] for a Dutch Conklin ancestry. My two cents is that identification of the surname with the Dutch is inevitable given the fact that the Conklins of Westchester married early and often into Netherlands-emigrant families. But here is the information from Ancestry.com on the origin of the Conklins in the US (brace yourself): "Origin unidentified. Most likely of Dutch origin (the name is found in the 18th century in the Hudson Valley), or possibly a variant of Irish Coughlin." http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=conklin And there is our foremost online authority dispensing garbage to millions. Any knowledge of Cosantie Concklin, as above, or of the DOD of Christina Mabie Zabriskie, would be very appreciated. Best, Nancy T ----- Original Message ----- From: Honor Conklin Date: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:05 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > There are two colonial Conklin families with different Y-DNA. > See my paper, "Two Colonial Conklin Families in American," at > longislandgenealogy.com. The "Long Island Conklins" are > descended from John and Ananias Conklin, brothers or cousins, > who at the request of John Winthrop Jr., set up the glasshouse > in Salem, Mass. They, and a handful of their small extended > family, were in Staffordshire and other glassmaking counties in > England from the late 1500s on. The family descends from Kunkel > glassmakers first documented in the 14th century in and around > Spessart, Hesse, Germany. I believe they migrated to Lorraine, > France prior to the move to England when Jean Carre was charged > to bring French glassmakers to England. > The "Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins," a group of eight > siblings (although possibly cousins), first appear when Nicholas > Conklin witnesses a document in Westchester County, New York in > 1682. These are the "Hudson Valley Conklins." Their origins > are unknown but because some married into New Netherland > families, they are referred to by some as "Dutch". > > Honor Conklin > > >>> "Peter " 1/6/2013 10:50 AM >>> > I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a > number of > hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says > the family > came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, > Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some > of the > others such as the one that is in the business of selling > "crests". > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte > > Happy New Year to all! > > I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia > VANDERVOORT.She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the > Reformed Dutch Church, > Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the > Church's records. > They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. > > There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out > to be: > Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She > married Jonathan > Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of > the First > Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to > have spent > their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ > Slate Hill, Town > of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. > > I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, > but I don't > know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or > of more > recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do > you work > with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members > of this list > have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? > > Thank you, Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Julia. Deliverance and Engeltje Boeckhout were the parents of Mattys Kancklely who married Feytie (Sophia) Mabie (Meeby) 27 Sep 1719 Hackensack DRC. The location of his birth and bp. is unknown. Joseph and Rebecca (Hyatt, Heyart) Conklin were the parents of Isaac, bp 24 March 1713, #257, Sleepy Hollow (Tarrytown) DRC who m 2) Lena Van Zyel, 6 August 1739 Hackensack DRC. You may see some references to her as Van Zyen. I don't recall ever coming across a Cosantie Concklin, nor anyone by that given name. There were Irish who came to America later who changed their name from Coughlin to Conklin. Any Conklin who is told they are of Irish descent should have their Y-DNA tested. There is a possiblity that some of the small extended family of Conklin glassmakers in England went with some of the Lorrainer glassmakers in England, to Ireland. Some were supposed to have gone later to Scotland after the fuel was changed from wood to coal. Honor >>> <nancyterhune@optonline.net> 1/7/2013 9:54 PM >>> Honor, You no doubt know, but others may not, that early members of the "pre-1700 Westchester Conklins" relocated to Bergen County, NJ - an area of my interest and of others on the list. I have information, and questions, and a bit of sheer outrageousness for all interested in the greater family (tune in, all, and read down-down-down). First: Your paper "Two Colonial Conklin Families in America: Y-DNA Analysis of the 'Long Island Conklins' and the 'Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins'"* I consider a paragon on every imaginable level and a gold-standard model for genealogists. * http://longislandgenealogy.com/Two%20Colonial%20Conklin%20Families.pdf Thank you for your surpassing excellent work. I. The earliest Conklins in Bergen County who I know originated in Westchester are found in the records of the Hackensack Dutch Reformed Church:** 27 Sept 1719 - registered the marriage intent of "Mattys Kanckely, y.m." born and living "manor of Flipsburg" (Philipsburg) and "Feytie Meeby, y.d." 5 July 1740 - registered the marriage intent of "Isaek Canklyn, w." (widower) born Westchester county, living Paramus, and Lena Van Zeyl, y.d." - married Aug 6. ** The Holland Society, Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey, Part I, c. 1891 THC of NY; reprint Bergen Historic Books 1998, pages 41 and 58. Who were their parents/ancestors? Mattys/Matthias: I have found several un-credible sources (Ancestry.com databases, IGBI, more) giving his father as Deliverance; Matthias b. 1698 or ca. 1698 Rye, Westchester. Do you have the correct information? Isaek/Isaac: Is he the Isaac baptized 24 Mar 1713, son of "Joseph Cankly" and "Rebecca his wife" at Sleepy Hollow? ("First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow,' Organized in 1697 and Now the First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N.Y." Online reproduction at google.com/books). Your paper page 33 points out the occurrence of the names Matthias and Isaac among the grandchildren of Deliverance. That is promising in my book. II. Do you have in your records a Cosantie Concklin, who may have married but probably did not marry Joost Zabriskie, son of the immigrant Albrecht (Albert), by 1725? I find her in only one place and doubt she existed. I am trying to rule her out. I have transcriptions of a family Bible record that give Cosantie Concklin as the mother of Joost's daughter, his last child Rachel b. 19 Mar 1725. This seems to contradict George Olin Zabriskie's genealogy of the Zabriskie family*** in which he cites a DAR transcription of the record giving Rachel's mother as Christina Mabie (Meby/Meeby) and does not include Cosantie anywhere. The transcriptions I have of the Bible record of Joost's daughter Rachel and her husband Johannes Demarest exist as a typescript as well as a handwritten "original" in the collection of the Bergen County Historical Society. I could possibly discredit them by observing that the handwritten original looks to be a copy made by the same person at the same time at a later date (ink, weight, style) and he/she entered Rachel's (and Johannes's) parents irregularly - written stacked and bracketed as if an insertion. Perhaps a "recollection" of the transcriber (we should all be spared). The quick way to eliminate Cosantie would be to confirm the death of Joost's wife Christina Mabie as later than Rachel's birth. Can anyone help with this? Among the children of Rachel Zabriskie and Johannes Demarest**** are two Christinas, no Cosanties. I don't have an English equivalent to Costantie; however her name might have been a variation of Carstyntje which I believe equates to Christina. *** Zabriskie, George Olin, The Zabriskie Family: A Three Hundred and one Year History of the descendants of Albrecht Zaborowskij (Ca 1638-1711) of Bergen County, New Jersey, c. 1963, Volume 1, p. 22. **** Ibid. and Demarest, Voorhis D. (ed./compiler), The Demarest Family, 1964; reprint 1992 Westview Press, p. IV-8. Note that this genealogy gives Rachel's parents as Jacob A. Zabriskie and Antje Terhune -- incorrect. III. Your paper p. 42 cites an "unidentified" source [which you clearly intend to mean weak] for a Dutch Conklin ancestry. My two cents is that identification of the surname with the Dutch is inevitable given the fact that the Conklins of Westchester married early and often into Netherlands-emigrant families. But here is the information from Ancestry.com on the origin of the Conklins in the US (brace yourself): "Origin unidentified. Most likely of Dutch origin (the name is found in the 18th century in the Hudson Valley), or possibly a variant of Irish Coughlin." http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=conklin And there is our foremost online authority dispensing garbage to millions. Any knowledge of Cosantie Concklin, as above, or of the DOD of Christina Mabie Zabriskie, would be very appreciated. Best, Nancy T ----- Original Message ----- From: Honor Conklin Date: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:05 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > There are two colonial Conklin families with different Y-DNA. > See my paper, "Two Colonial Conklin Families in American," at > longislandgenealogy.com. The "Long Island Conklins" are > descended from John and Ananias Conklin, brothers or cousins, > who at the request of John Winthrop Jr., set up the glasshouse > in Salem, Mass. They, and a handful of their small extended > family, were in Staffordshire and other glassmaking counties in > England from the late 1500s on. The family descends from Kunkel > glassmakers first documented in the 14th century in and around > Spessart, Hesse, Germany. I believe they migrated to Lorraine, > France prior to the move to England when Jean Carre was charged > to bring French glassmakers to England. > The "Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins," a group of eight > siblings (although possibly cousins), first appear when Nicholas > Conklin witnesses a document in Westchester County, New York in > 1682. These are the "Hudson Valley Conklins." Their origins > are unknown but because some married into New Netherland > families, they are referred to by some as "Dutch". > > Honor Conklin > > >>> "Peter " 1/6/2013 10:50 AM >>> > I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a > number of > hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says > the family > came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, > Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some > of the > others such as the one that is in the business of selling > "crests". > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte > > Happy New Year to all! > > I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia > VANDERVOORT.She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the > Reformed Dutch Church, > Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the > Church's records. > They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. > > There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out > to be: > Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She > married Jonathan > Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of > the First > Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to > have spent > their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ > Slate Hill, Town > of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. > > I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, > but I don't > know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or > of more > recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do > you work > with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members > of this list > have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? > > Thank you, Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Honor, You no doubt know, but others may not, that early members of the "pre-1700 Westchester Conklins" relocated to Bergen County, NJ - an area of my interest and of others on the list.  I have information, and questions, and a bit of sheer outrageousness for all interested in the greater family (tune in, all, and read down-down-down). First:  Your paper "Two Colonial Conklin Families in America: Y-DNA Analysis of the 'Long Island Conklins' and the 'Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins'"* I consider a paragon on every imaginable level and a gold-standard model for genealogists.  * http://longislandgenealogy.com/Two%20Colonial%20Conklin%20Families.pdf Thank you for your surpassing excellent work. I. The earliest Conklins in Bergen County who I know originated in Westchester are found in the records of the Hackensack Dutch Reformed Church:** 27 Sept 1719 - registered the marriage intent of "Mattys Kanckely, y.m." born and living "manor of Flipsburg" (Philipsburg) and "Feytie Meeby, y.d."  5 July 1740 - registered the marriage intent of "Isaek Canklyn, w." (widower) born Westchester county, living Paramus, and Lena Van Zeyl, y.d." - married Aug 6. ** The Holland Society, Records of the Reformed Dutch Churches of Hackensack and Schraalenburgh, New Jersey, Part I, c. 1891 THC of NY; reprint Bergen Historic Books 1998, pages 41 and 58. Who were their parents/ancestors? Mattys/Matthias: I have found several un-credible sources (Ancestry.com databases, IGBI, more) giving his father as Deliverance; Matthias b. 1698 or ca. 1698 Rye, Westchester.  Do you have the correct information? Isaek/Isaac:  Is he the Isaac baptized 24 Mar 1713, son of "Joseph Cankly" and "Rebecca his wife" at Sleepy Hollow?  ("First Record Book of the 'Old Dutch Church of Sleepy Hollow,' Organized in 1697 and Now the First Reformed Church of Tarrytown, N.Y." Online reproduction at google.com/books). Your paper page 33 points out the occurrence of the names Matthias and Isaac among the grandchildren of Deliverance. That is promising in my book. II. Do you have in your records a Cosantie Concklin, who may have married but probably did not marry Joost Zabriskie, son of the immigrant Albrecht (Albert), by 1725?  I find her in only one place and doubt she existed.  I am trying to rule her out. I have transcriptions of a family Bible record that give Cosantie Concklin as the mother of Joost's daughter, his last child Rachel b. 19 Mar 1725.  This seems to contradict George Olin Zabriskie's genealogy of the Zabriskie family*** in which he cites a DAR transcription of the record giving Rachel's mother as Christina Mabie (Meby/Meeby) and does not include Cosantie anywhere.  The transcriptions I have of the Bible record of Joost's daughter Rachel and her husband Johannes Demarest exist as a typescript as well as a handwritten "original" in the collection of the Bergen County Historical Society. I could possibly discredit them by observing that the handwritten original looks to be a copy made by the same person at the same time at a later date (ink, weight, style) and he/she entered Rachel's (and Johannes's) parents irregularly - written stacked and bracketed as if an insertion.  Perhaps a "recollection" of the transcriber (we should all be spared). The quick way to eliminate Cosantie would be to confirm the death of Joost's wife Christina Mabie as later than Rachel's birth.  Can anyone help with this? Among the children of Rachel Zabriskie and Johannes Demarest**** are two Christinas, no Cosanties.  I don't have an English equivalent to Costantie; however her name might have been a variation of Carstyntje which I believe equates to Christina.  *** Zabriskie, George Olin, The Zabriskie Family: A Three Hundred and one Year History of the descendants of Albrecht Zaborowskij (Ca 1638-1711) of Bergen County, New Jersey, c. 1963, Volume 1, p. 22. **** Ibid. and Demarest, Voorhis D. (ed./compiler), The Demarest Family, 1964; reprint 1992 Westview Press, p. IV-8.  Note that this genealogy gives Rachel's parents as Jacob A. Zabriskie and Antje Terhune -- incorrect. III. Your paper p. 42 cites an "unidentified" source [which you clearly intend to mean weak] for a Dutch Conklin ancestry.  My two cents is that identification of the surname with the Dutch is inevitable given the fact that the Conklins of Westchester married early and often into Netherlands-emigrant families. But here is the information from Ancestry.com on the origin of the Conklins in the US (brace yourself): "Origin unidentified.  Most likely of Dutch origin (the name is found in the 18th century in the Hudson Valley), or possibly a variant of Irish Coughlin." http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=conklin And there is our foremost online authority dispensing garbage to millions. Any knowledge of Cosantie Concklin, as above, or of the DOD of Christina Mabie Zabriskie, would be very appreciated. Best, Nancy T ----- Original Message ----- From: Honor Conklin Date: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:05 am Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > There are two colonial Conklin families with different Y-DNA. > See my paper, "Two Colonial Conklin Families in American," at > longislandgenealogy.com. The "Long Island Conklins" are > descended from John and Ananias Conklin, brothers or cousins, > who at the request of John Winthrop Jr., set up the glasshouse > in Salem, Mass. They, and a handful of their small extended > family, were in Staffordshire and other glassmaking counties in > England from the late 1500s on. The family descends from Kunkel > glassmakers first documented in the 14th century in and around > Spessart, Hesse, Germany. I believe they migrated to Lorraine, > France prior to the move to England when Jean Carre was charged > to bring French glassmakers to England. > The "Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins," a group of eight > siblings (although possibly cousins), first appear when Nicholas > Conklin witnesses a document in Westchester County, New York in > 1682. These are the "Hudson Valley Conklins." Their origins > are unknown but because some married into New Netherland > families, they are referred to by some as "Dutch". > > Honor Conklin > > >>> "Peter " 1/6/2013 10:50 AM >>> > I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a > number of > hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says > the family > came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, > Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some > of the > others such as the one that is in the business of selling > "crests". > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte > > Happy New Year to all! > > I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia > VANDERVOORT.She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the > Reformed Dutch Church, > Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the > Church's records. > They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. > > There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out > to be: > Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She > married Jonathan > Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of > the First > Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to > have spent > their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ > Slate Hill, Town > of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. > > I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, > but I don't > know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or > of more > recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do > you work > with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members > of this list > have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? > > Thank you, Julia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH- > COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Brian, If you are still on the list, please write to me privately at msvnhrn@jps.net. Thanks, Marleen Van Horne -- When the people, who made the music of your youth, begin dying of old age, you know that you, too, are old.

There are two colonial Conklin families with different Y-DNA. See my paper, "Two Colonial Conklin Families in American," at longislandgenealogy.com. The "Long Island Conklins" are descended from John and Ananias Conklin, brothers or cousins, who at the request of John Winthrop Jr., set up the glasshouse in Salem, Mass. They, and a handful of their small extended family, were in Staffordshire and other glassmaking counties in England from the late 1500s on. The family descends from Kunkel glassmakers first documented in the 14th century in and around Spessart, Hesse, Germany. I believe they migrated to Lorraine, France prior to the move to England when Jean Carre was charged to bring French glassmakers to England. The "Pre-1700 Westchester Conklins," a group of eight siblings (although possibly cousins), first appear when Nicholas Conklin witnesses a document in Westchester County, New York in 1682. These are the "Hudson Valley Conklins." Their origins are unknown but because some married into New Netherland families, they are referred to by some as "Dutch". Honor Conklin >>> "Peter " <pchrist1@nycap.rr.com> 1/6/2013 10:50 AM >>> I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a number of hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says the family came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some of the others such as the one that is in the business of selling "crests". Peter -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte Happy New Year to all! I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia VANDERVOORT. She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the Reformed Dutch Church, Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the Church's records. They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out to be: Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She married Jonathan Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of the First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to have spent their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ Slate Hill, Town of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, but I don't know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or of more recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do you work with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members of this list have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? Thank you, Julia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I'm new to this list...I did correspond with Dorothy several years ago when I first began working on this line. Jane Tarpenning (15 Sep 1821-9 May 1909) was my late husband's gg grandmother. She was married to John Chadwick II. Her father was John Teerpenning (14 oct 1796-13 Dec 1881). Her mother was Mary or Polly Wagner but I don't have any information on her except for an uncited birth year of 1796 as well (from a family tree of Dick Weisiger in San Francisco). Do any of you have any ideas about where I might find information about Mary or Polly Wagner? John was baptized in Poughkeepsie, died in Middlefield and buried in Hartwick NY. He also lived in Cooperstown and Five Mile Point at Otsego Lake during his lifetime. My goal is to get all my husband's direct lines back to their countries of origin. So I want to know whether Mary or Polly Wagner was born here or somewhere else....and if somewhere else, what country? I'd also like to know when John Teerpenning and Mary or Polly were married, and where. Their first child, John, was born in Aug. of 1820 (but I don't know where) so it was probably before that. Jane was born in Cooperstown the next year. I found Jane in "Concerning the Van Bunschoten or Van Benschoten Family in America" by William Henry Van Benschoten but it doesn't tell me any more about her mother than what I already knew. That book did help me discover the Van Bunschoten connections, however! I live near Seattle WA and am not familiar with the east coast. All 4 of my grandparents were born in Europe so I've never had to do any research in America until I began trying to pin down my late husband's family! We have a National Archives in Seattle but I'm not sure they would have very much information there on early New York history! -- Roberta K. Morrow Two Morrows Cabin at Tahoe www.twomorrowstahoecabin.com

Ah, "Conkling" is not a Dutch name, but an English one. (I have other Massachusetts Bay Colony "Salemites" in the old family tree.) There are many Conkling/ Conklins in the Hudson Valley; I have a vague memory of being told by one of them of Dutch origins. Sorry about that, but thanks for setting me straight. ________________________________ > From: Robert Sullivan <robert.g.sullivan@gmail.com> > > . . .from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem. . . > ===================================================================================

> I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a number of > hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says the family > came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, > Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some of the > others such as the one that is in the business of selling "crests". > > Peter That is also noted in the two Conkling entries in the Hudson-Mohawk Genealogical and Family Memoirs: <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/families/hmgfm/huyck.html#conkling> <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/families/hmgfm/vanvorst-1.html#conkling> which refer back to Savage's Genealogical Dictionary: <http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/bk1/430-440.htm> -- Bob Sullivan Schenectady Digital History Archive <http://www.schenectadyhistory.org/> Schenectady County (NY) Public Library

I went to Google and typed in "Conkling family." There were a number of hits. The first one I tried -- longislandgenealogy.com -- says the family came from Staffordshire in England and originally settled in Salem, Massachusetts. That seems to me a more reliable source than some of the others such as the one that is in the business of selling "crests". Peter -----Original Message----- From: dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dutch-colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 2:38 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Greetings from a neophyte Happy New Year to all! I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia VANDERVOORT. She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the Reformed Dutch Church, Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the Church's records. They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out to be: Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She married Jonathan Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of the First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to have spent their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ Slate Hill, Town of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, but I don't know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or of more recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do you work with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members of this list have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? Thank you, Julia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karen: You are all most deserving of those kind words--and many more! I always have some irons in the fire but I will try to wrap up a brief follow-up to my 2011 Streeter article and get it submitted soon. Perry From: Karen Mauer Green [mailto:karenmauergreen@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 12:55 PM To: perry@streeter.com; dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Cc: Laura DeGrazia Subject: Re: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Thank you to Harry Macy and the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record All, I would like to join with all of you in heaping praise on both Dorothy and Harry. Dorothy's dedication to NNC resulted in a wealth of information forever at our fingertips. We owe her a great debt of gratitude. Thank you, Dorothy! [I'm also proud to count her as my cousin, though unfortunately not in a Dutch line.] John, I completely agree with you about Harry. He has had an enormous impact on the field and on me personally as I learn from him. I'm positive that Laura would join me in calling him our mentor. I am constantly amazed by the depth of his knowledge and his willingness to share it. He has been an enormous help to us as we attempt the impossible task of filling his shoes as editors of The Record. Standing in his shadow is a humbling experience, but also a wonderful learning experience. I just wish I could soak it all up a bit faster! Dee, thanks for mentioning Henry Hoff, my mentor and friend. Although he's no longer at the G&B, his legacy certainly lives on. Laura and I are not just trying to fill Harry's shoes, but also Henry's. It's a tough act to follow! Perry, thanks for your kind words (about Harry and about Laura and me). It was a great pleasure working with you, as well. And what are you working on now? Hint, hint! Karen On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: John: Well said and I could not agree more strongly. I first got acquainted with Harry Macy through the course of suggesting some potential corrections and additions to an article in The Record.  Eventually, he encouraged me to tackle the challenge of writing an article of my own. I have come to think of him as a mentor as well and I am fortunate to have had the pleasure of meeting in him in person during a NYG&BS event in Buffalo. Listers: It was disappointing when Harry Macy and Dorothy Koenig retired (and New Netherland Connections with her). However, thanks in part to Harry, I have also had the great pleasure of working with the current Editors of The Record.  For those of you contributed to New Netherland Connections in the past or even thought about doing so, I strongly encourage you to consider submitting an article to The Record. Perry Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) www.perry.streeter.com -----Original Message----- From: John Dobson [mailto:johnblythedobson@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:30 AM To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Thank you to Harry Macy and the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record Dear list members, While not wishing to detract in any way from the recent and well-deserved outpouring of thanks to Dorothy Koening and *New Netherland Connections*, it has reminded me of another debt of gratitude owed by the genealogical community. Harry Macy, who still works tirelessly on behalf of the *New York Genealogical and Biographical Record*, served as Associate Editor from 1987 to 1988 and as Editor from 1989 to 2006, and following his retirement continued on as a member of the publication committee for more than a year to ease in the transition of the editorship to his successor. During Harry's twenty-year incumbency, I had the privilege of contributing several articles to the journal; and it would be impossible to convey the level of care with which he shepherded them from their crude beginnings into published form. Harry is able to share his vast knowledge so unobtrusively that even the most callow researcher feels bolstered by it. Although I have not yet had the opportunity of meeting Harry in person, I have been acquainted with him through correspondence for over 18 years, and hope he will not be embarassed by my claiming him as a long-distance mentor. Best wishes, John Blythe Dobson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Karen Mauer Green, CG*, FGBS Coeditor, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record *CG (Certified Genealogist) is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.

Happy New Year to all! I have recently found out the name of a direct ancestor: Julia VANDERVOORT. She married Henry SCOFIELD on 13 Dec 1817 at the Reformed Dutch Church, Warwick, Orange, NY per FamilySearch transcription of the Church's records. They spent their married life in the Town of Goshen, Orange, NY. There's a possibility that another direct ancestor may turn out to be: Keturah CONKLING (previously married to Jacob DUNNING). She married Jonathan Bayley/ Bailey on 11 sep 1783 per online transcribed records of the First Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange, NY. The couple appears to have spent their married life in the area of the Hamlets of Ridgebury/ Slate Hill, Town of Wawayanda, Orange, NY. I'm confident that "Vandervoort" and "Conkling" are Dutch names, but I don't know if these women descend from people of the colonial era or of more recent arrivals as I haven't done anything with them as yet. Do you work with non-colonial Hudson Valley Dutch families, too? Do members of this list have suggestions on ways to trace them backwards with confidence? Thank you, Julia

Thank you for those kind words they are very appreciated. Judy Cassidy On 01/05/13, BStevens<brycestevens@comcast.net> wrote: During this outpouring of warm hugs and wishes, I would like to go ahead and applaud the general membership. I have researched my Dutch lines since the early 1960s, when documenting and citing sources was not even much thought of, but when I began to connect my lines to the older, documented lines, I began to see the value of citing sources. I did not connect to "internet genealogy" until 1996, and it was probably 1997 that I stumbled across RootsWeb and the remarkable lists available. Back then, RootsWeb was entirely voluntary and entirely free. Like FaceBook, determined to remain so ... and we know how that goes. Dutch-Colonies was the most remarkable site available, and as I hosted some other surname lists, D-C was the standard of quality. Almost always polite, but insistent: please cite your source, please share your documents. D-C set the standard and I honed my reporting skills on this site. It is entirely due to this list that the lists I hosted back then raised their standards. Harry Macy, Jr., helped to settle the problem of Jurriaen Probasco's origin, which Nora Probasco has been able to follow up on brilliantly. Dorothy always took the time to look up what she had access to, and share it publicly or privately, depending upon what she found. Judy Cassidy, Barbara Barth, Cynthia Middaugh, Robert McCool, Chris ... so many people who really came together to produce a heyday of genealogical wealth about that time. I feel so fortunate to have tapped into this list at just that time. Those of us who have enjoyed this decade of very solid research and training have been blessed, and we should all applaud ourselves. Gees, I should be mentioning every person who has ever contributed, and let us always keep CarPark with Cor Snabel (I hope I remember the spelling correctly) in mind. This has been a community effort, a community expectation and agreed upon standard of excellence. We have had our very solid mentors from the beginning who have guided our community mindset toward a standard of excellence. As a community, we have met that standard better than any other list I have ever witnessed. I am very proud to be a member and contributor. Bryce Stevens ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DU[1]TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:TCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com

During this outpouring of warm hugs and wishes, I would like to go ahead and applaud the general membership. I have researched my Dutch lines since the early 1960s, when documenting and citing sources was not even much thought of, but when I began to connect my lines to the older, documented lines, I began to see the value of citing sources. I did not connect to "internet genealogy" until 1996, and it was probably 1997 that I stumbled across RootsWeb and the remarkable lists available. Back then, RootsWeb was entirely voluntary and entirely free. Like FaceBook, determined to remain so ... and we know how that goes. Dutch-Colonies was the most remarkable site available, and as I hosted some other surname lists, D-C was the standard of quality. Almost always polite, but insistent: please cite your source, please share your documents. D-C set the standard and I honed my reporting skills on this site. It is entirely due to this list that the lists I hosted back then raised their standards. Harry Macy, Jr., helped to settle the problem of Jurriaen Probasco's origin, which Nora Probasco has been able to follow up on brilliantly. Dorothy always took the time to look up what she had access to, and share it publicly or privately, depending upon what she found. Judy Cassidy, Barbara Barth, Cynthia Middaugh, Robert McCool, Chris ... so many people who really came together to produce a heyday of genealogical wealth about that time. I feel so fortunate to have tapped into this list at just that time. Those of us who have enjoyed this decade of very solid research and training have been blessed, and we should all applaud ourselves. Gees, I should be mentioning every person who has ever contributed, and let us always keep CarPark with Cor Snabel (I hope I remember the spelling correctly) in mind. This has been a community effort, a community expectation and agreed upon standard of excellence. We have had our very solid mentors from the beginning who have guided our community mindset toward a standard of excellence. As a community, we have met that standard better than any other list I have ever witnessed. I am very proud to be a member and contributor. Bryce Stevens

All, I would like to join with all of you in heaping praise on both Dorothy and Harry. Dorothy's dedication to NNC resulted in a wealth of information forever at our fingertips. We owe her a great debt of gratitude. Thank you, Dorothy! [I'm also proud to count her as my cousin, though unfortunately not in a Dutch line.] John, I completely agree with you about Harry. He has had an enormous impact on the field and on me personally as I learn from him. I'm positive that Laura would join me in calling him our mentor. I am constantly amazed by the depth of his knowledge and his willingness to share it. He has been an enormous help to us as we attempt the impossible task of filling his shoes as editors of The Record. Standing in his shadow is a humbling experience, but also a wonderful learning experience. I just wish I could soak it all up a bit faster! Dee, thanks for mentioning Henry Hoff, my mentor and friend. Although he's no longer at the G&B, his legacy certainly lives on. Laura and I are not just trying to fill Harry's shoes, but also Henry's. It's a tough act to follow! Perry, thanks for your kind words (about Harry and about Laura and me). It was a great pleasure working with you, as well. And what are you working on now? Hint, hint! Karen On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:04 PM, Perry Streeter <perry@streeter.com> wrote: > John: > > Well said and I could not agree more strongly. I first got acquainted with > Harry Macy through the course of suggesting some potential corrections and > additions to an article in The Record. Eventually, he encouraged me to > tackle the challenge of writing an article of my own. I have come to think > of him as a mentor as well and I am fortunate to have had the pleasure of > meeting in him in person during a NYG&BS event in Buffalo. > > Listers: > > It was disappointing when Harry Macy and Dorothy Koenig retired (and New > Netherland Connections with her). However, thanks in part to Harry, I have > also had the great pleasure of working with the current Editors of The > Record. For those of you contributed to New Netherland Connections in the > past or even thought about doing so, I strongly encourage you to consider > submitting an article to The Record. > > Perry > > Perry Streeter (perry@streeter.com) > www.perry.streeter.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dobson [mailto:johnblythedobson@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:30 AM > To: dutch-colonies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUTCH-COLONIES] Thank you to Harry Macy and the New York > Genealogical and Biographical Record > > Dear list members, > > While not wishing to detract in any way from the recent and well-deserved > outpouring of thanks to Dorothy Koening and *New Netherland Connections*, > it has reminded me of another debt of gratitude owed by the genealogical > community. > > Harry Macy, who still works tirelessly on behalf of the *New York > Genealogical and Biographical Record*, served as Associate Editor from 1987 > to 1988 and as Editor from 1989 to 2006, and following his retirement > continued on as a member of the publication committee for more than a year > to ease in the transition of the editorship to his successor. During > Harry's twenty-year incumbency, I had the privilege of contributing several > articles to the journal; and it would be impossible to convey the level of > care with which he shepherded them from their crude beginnings into > published form. Harry is able to share his vast knowledge so unobtrusively > that even the most callow researcher feels bolstered by it. > > Although I have not yet had the opportunity of meeting Harry in person, I > have been acquainted with him through correspondence for over 18 years, and > hope he will not be embarassed by my claiming him as a long-distance > mentor. > > Best wishes, > John Blythe Dobson > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUTCH-COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Karen Mauer Green, CG*, FGBS Coeditor, The New York Genealogical and Biographical Record *CG (Certified Genealogist) is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified associates after periodic competency evaluations.