This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Scott: Your Thomas DURMAN is the same as mine. Here's what I have: Birth Certificate (Smyth Co. Courthouse, Marion, VA) says he was born 19Aug1813, son of John and Nancy DURMAN. (It is now fairly certain Nancy was Nancy Ann HARRIS, daughter of John HARRIS.) His first wife was Elizabeth Ann YEAROUT. Second wife was Malvina B. FARRIS (that wasn't her maiden name-she had been married to a FARRIS). Elizabeth's parents were Charles YEAROUT and Elizabeth ?. Your G-G-Grandmother, Mary Jane DURMAN, was indeed married to Maj. Wilson D. FARRIS. My G-Grandfather, William Franklin DURMAN, was a brother to your G-G-Grandmother, Mary Jane DURMAN. I have tentively figured out the following lineage for our line: 1) We both go back to Thomas A. DURMAN. 2) His father was John DURMAN (born 1787), proven by source document of birth record in Smyth Co. Courthouse. (Guess work from here on.) 3) John's parents were John DURMAN and Mary ?. 4) This older John was born about 1750. 5) My John DURMAN, born 1787, was brother to William Franklin DURMAN, Sr., Peter Durman, and Elizabeth DURMAN. 6) Darren DURMAN, with whom we have been communicating, descends from William Franklin DURMAN, Sr. But, we are really no better off than we were 15 years ago. I'm back one generation farther than I was back then and have added lots of siblings and present-day cousins -- who the Hell was John DURMAN born about 1750? Where did HE come from? We've scoured the records in Virginia. There is nothing on these DURMANs past John of 1750. My brother and I have come to the conclusion that the original DURMANs came from either PA or MD. We going to head up that way this fall and do some digging in those two states. We gotta find something sooner or later. BTW, my email address is georgewdurman@comcast.net. Would you please send what you have for Thomas on down to you in your line? You know, siblings, spouses, dates, places, etc. Whatever I have is yours for the asking. If you use a computer genealogy database program, I can export a GEDCOM with everything I have on the DURMAN line and email it to you. Just let me know. Yer Cuz, George W. Durman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Scott: Your Thomas DURMAN is the same as mine. Here's what I have: Birth Certificate (Smyth Co. Courthouse, Marion, VA) says he was born 19Aug1813, son of John and Nancy DURMAN. (It is now fairly certain Nancy was Nancy Ann HARRIS, daughter of John HARRIS.) His first wife was Elizabeth Ann YEAROUT. Second wife was Malvina B. FARRIS (that wasn't her maiden name-she had been married to a FARRIS). Elizabeth's parents were Charles YEAROUT and Elizabeth ?. Your G-G-Grandmother, Mary Jane DURMAN, married to was indeed married to Maj. Wilson D. FARRIS. My G-Grandfather, William Franklin DURMAN, was a brother to your G-G-Grandmother, Mary Jane DURMAN. I have tentively figured out the following lineage for our line: 1) We both go back to Thomas A. DURMAN. 2) His father was John DURMAN (born 1787), proven by source document of birth record in Smyth Co. Courthouse. (Guess work from here on.) 3) John's parents were John DURMAN and Mary ?. 4) This older John was born about 1750. 5) My John DURMAN, born 1787, was brother to William Franklin DURMAN, Sr., Peter Durman, and Elizabeth DURMAN. 6) Darren DURMAN, with whom we have been communicating, descends from William Franklin DURMAN, Sr. But, we are really no better off than we were 15 years ago. I'm back one generation farther than I was back then and have added lots of siblings and present-day cousins -- who the Hell was John DURMAN born about 1750? Where did HE come from? We've scoured the records in Virginia. There is nothing on these DURMANs past John of 1750. My brother and I have come to the conclusion that the original DURMANs came from either PA or MD. We going to head up that way this fall and do some digging in those two states. We gotta find something sooner or later. BTW, my email address is georgewdurman@comcast.net. Would you please send what you have for Thomas on down to you in your line? You know, siblings, spouses, dates, places, etc. Whatever I have is yours for the asking. If you use a computer genealogy database program, I can export a GEDCOM with everything I have on the DURMAN line and email it to you. Just let me know. Yer Cuz, George W. Durman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.3 Message Board Post: Hello Cousin Darren: I haven't really discovered anything new, but, using what clues you, I, and the rest of the family have dug up, and with some logic thrown in, have to agree with you that we both go back to the same John DURMAN, c.1750. Now, I don't want to come across as a "spoil sport" or a "kill-joy", but everyone seems to "assume" that the American DURMANs came from GB, some say England, some say Scotland, and some say Ireland. But, "WHY" is that assumed? I've found people with the EXACT spelling of the name in Turkey, Russia, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Hungary, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Bulgaria, etc., etc. Why "ASSUME" that we are of English, i.e, British, origin? Not that I'm opposed to it, just that one CANNOT make ANY assumptions when doing genealogy research, especially without a whit of original source documentation, e.g. "original paper records". Now, here's something that intrigues me. Over the past 15 years, I have corresponded, by regular mail and email, with 10-15 people in other countries who had the same name. I found those persons by doing searches on the Internet/Web, and tried to interest them in finding out about our ancestors. In every case but one (more about that one later), as soon as I started asking questions about their ancestors, whether or not they knew where the name originated, where the original DURMANs came from, etc., they "clammed up". It seems that, with the one exception, no DURMAN wants to even think about discussing his/her ancestors with anyone else. I had the best line of inquiry I had ever had with a fellow in Costa Rica. He was the owner and President of one of the top three PVC plastic manufacturers in the world, located in Costa Rica. He said his original family had lived in Virginia, USA. But, during the Revolution, his branch of the family had not wanted to become involved in the war, and two of the brothers had migrated to Canada. (All the names in that branch are the same as those in our branches -- George, William, John, David, Thomas, etc.). Anyway, this person's grandfather was one of the brothers, and the person's father eventually left Canada to work for the railroad in Costa Rica, on banana plantations. He met a local girl and settled down. The person with whom I was corresponding was a son, who eventually started the manufacturing business. I asked him for some detailed information about his family and he said he was going to send it. Unfortunately, he died shortly thereafter. I have written his! son several times about our genealogy and he has never responded. The same kind of thing has happened with other DURMAN people around the world. The moment I ask about their heritage, they stop responding. The one exception was with a journalist in what is now Serbia. He was quite willing to talk about the name, but knew absolutely nothing! He said the only thing he knew was that he "had always heard" that his ancestors came from somewhere else! Anyway, all the DURMANs are as close-mouthed and as secretive as my father and grandfather were. They wouldn't talk about their ancestors if you beat them with a stick! More later, Yer Cuz, George

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Hello Cousin Darren: I haven't really discovered anything new, but, using what clues you, I, and the rest of the family have dug up, and with some logic thrown in, have to agree with you that we both go back to the same John DURMAN, c.1750. Now, I don't want to come across as a "spoil sport" or a "kill-joy", but everyone seems to "assume" that the American DURMANs came from GB, some say England, some say Scotland, and some say Ireland. But, "WHY" is that assumed? I've found people with the EXACT spelling of the name in Turkey, Russia, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Hungary, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Bulgaria, etc., etc. Why "ASSUME" that we are of English, i.e, British, origin? Not that I'm opposed to it, just that one CANNOT make ANY assumptions when doing genealogy research, especially without a whit of original documentation, e.g. "original paper records". Now, here's something that intrigues me. Over the past 15 years, I have corresponded, by regular mail and email, with 10-15 people in other countries who had the same name. I found those persons by doing searches on the Internet/Web, and tried to interest them in finding out about our ancestors. In every case but one (more about that one later), as soon as I started asking questions about their ancestors, whether or not they knew where the name originated, where the original DURMANs came from, etc., they "clammed up". It seems that, with the one exception, no DURMAN wants to even think about discussing his/her ancestors with anyone else. I had the best line of inquiry I had ever had with a fellow in Costa Rica. He was the owner and President of one of the top three PVC plastic manufacturers in the world, located in Costa Rico. He said his original family had lived in Virginia, USA. But, during the Revolution, his branch of the family had not wanted to become involved in the war, and two of the brothers had migrated to Canada. (All the names in that branch are the same as those in our branches -- George, William, John, David, Thomas, etc.). Anyway, this person's grandfather was one of the brothers, and the person's father eventually left Canada to work for the railroad in Costa Rica, on banana plantations. He met a local girl and settled down. The person with whom I was corresponding was a son, who eventually started the manufacturing business. I asked him for some detailed information about his family and he said he was going to send it. Unfortunately, he died shortly thereafter. I have written his! son several times about our genealogy and he has never responded. The same kind of thing has happened with other DURMAN people around the world. The moment I ask about their heritage, they stop responding. The one exception was with a journalist in what is now Serbia. He was quite willing to talk about the name, but knew absolutely nothing! He said the only thing he knew was that he "had always heard" that his ancestors came from somewhere else! Anyway, all the DURMANs are as close-mouthed and as secretive as my father and grandfather were. They wouldn't talk about their ancestors if you beat them with a stick! More later, Yer Cuz, George

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Darren, I suspect that my Thomas b.1814 is not the brother of your William b.1815, because in the 1820 census, William b.1790 had only one son in that age range. Meanwhile, John b.1787 had three sons in that age range. Are you sure your William b.1815 is the son of William b.1790? If so, I don't think he could have had a brother b.1814. 1820 William Durman 110010-20010 John Durman 300010-11010 I also read a post somewhere stating that Thomas Durman b.1814 is the son of John & Nancy, not William & Eunice. Thanks, Scott g3troll@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: It sure looks like it is mostly likely thast your Thomas was a brother to my William, but we will need more info to confirm that. My William was also a blacksmith and lived in Montgomery County, VA until they lived to Greene County, Tennesee in the late 1850's. William's middle name was Francis and also had a daughter named Frances. It is amazing how the first names seem to be used from generation to generation. I will try to research more to see if there can be a definite connection made. Let mw know if you come across any additional info. Best Regards, Darren

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Darren, My Thomas Durman, b. c.1814 VA, is the only Thomas Durman listed in the VA census, from 1840 thru 1880. Always listed as blacksmith, living in Montgomery Co. First wife Eliza, b. c.1821 VA, had at least nine children: Mary, Charles, William, Henrietta, Elizabeth, John, Jay, Frances, Abbey. Second wife Malvina, b. c.1839 VA, had at least four children: Emily, Eliza, Ninnie, George. Let me know if this fits your info. Thanks, Scott g3troll@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Durman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Scott, The only thing I have on Thomas is he was born about 1814 in Montgomery County, VA and he married a Elizabeth, but I don't have any other info. This looks like it could be the same Thomas, but we would need to find more information to confirm this. I do have information on my William and this Thomas' parents, which are William & Eunice(Reed) Durman and a little beyond them. I will try to do some more research to help see if this could be the same Thomas. If you do have anything additional information just me know. Do you know the parents names of your Thomas or the maiden name of Eliza? Darren

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Darren, My Thomas b. c.1814 VA, first wife Eliza, second wife Malvina. Daughter Mary Jane Durman, my GGgrandmother, married Maj. Wilson D. Faris of Smyth Co., VA. Let me know whatever else you might have, including on Eliza. Thanks, Scott g3troll@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Durman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Scott, My William Durman, born about 1815, had a brother named Thomas, which he was born about 1814. Their father's name was William, born about 1790 and his father's name was alos William, born about 1850. Do you have any additional information that might be helpful to see if this might be the same Thomas? I would be happy to give what information I have on the line. Best Regards, Darren Durman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I suspect that my ancestor Thomas Durman, born c.1814 VA, is the son of either John or William which you mention. Do you show a Thomas which fits? He married Eliza, and had sons named both John and William. Thanks.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I suspect that my ancestor Thomas Durman, born c.1814 VA, is the son of either John or William which you mention. Do you show a Thomas which fits? He married Eliza, and had sons named both John and William. Thanks.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi George, I haven't been able to trace any Durman's into the UK yet. On my line which goes back to William Durman, born abt 1790 in VA which his father is William Durman, born in 1750. I think your John and my William were brothers. I haven't got any information on sidlings. I only have his father was which was William Durman, born 1750 in VA. I was wondering what addional information you may have since we last talked over a year ago or so. I look forward to talking to you soon. Darren Durman

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Have any of you ever come across any data on DURMAN immigrants to America c.1750 or earlier? My line traces back to John DURMAN, born 1787 in VA; his father was William DURMAN, born c.1750. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in Advance, George W. Durman (DURMAN Message Board Administrator)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.2.1.2 Message Board Post: Pamela, what is your e-mail address? Send message to ghjones@austin.rr.com I clicked on your name beside "Author" but nothing came up.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Pamela, what is your e-mail address? Send message to ghjones@austin.rr.com I clicked on your name beside "Author" but nothing came up.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I am always interested in any Durmans in England. I am collcting all I can find, Somehow Laver with Durman rings bell for me. Not sure if he is one of mine though. Please send me details at my emails address. Pam F.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Durman, Laver, Moore & Webb. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/mBU.2ACEB/20.1.2 Message Board Post: I have a few Durmans on my Tree who were born in the mid 1800's. One was a Captain, Captain William Laver Durman, if you would like details I can send via e-mail. I'm guessing these Durmans are from the South West of England as that's where most of my ancestors on my Dad's side are from. I only have Birth and Death dates and a few spouse names.