We received the following from Karen Isaacson, one of the ListMasters at RootsWeb, about problems at JUNO.COM. If you receive this, belatedly, are a JUNO user, and wonder why you have not received email from the Lists, this is the reason. ============= All Juno members to all RootsWeb lists have been temporarily unsubscribed. Please don't add them back to your lists, at least, not if you want the non-Juno subscribers to reliably receive messages. Juno has their inbound mail so badly broken right now that it essentially grabs and holds onto any site that tries to deliver mail to them. If we end up with too many ports open to Juno, we simply have to kill the mail job, and anyone on the list after the Juno subscriber doesn't receive their e-mail. We're monitoring the situation, and as soon as Juno is fixed, we'll add all those subscribers back. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter... Karen =============== This may seem self-serving and un-sympathetic, BUT it seems that certain servers that offer "free" or "very cheap" service, are constantly having problems with this sort of thing. Don't get me wrong, you are free to use whatever service you choose; however, from experience, I have found that "you get what you pay for" is not just a truism. It accurately describes the level of service that you will receive as far as your email business is concerned. I tried JUNO. Didn't like the interface or the service. Had been a Concentric Net user, almost from the inception of that service. Went back to it, of course. AOL has, of late, become almost as bad as far as email satisfaction. Why not "bite the bullet" and pay for an ISP connection, independent of AOL, CompuServe, Prodigy, JUNO, etc., etc., and ENJOY doing your email, without all the hassle? You can access a list of ISP (Internet Service Providers) at this URL: http://thelist.internet.com/ I will recommend Concentric Net as one of the most trouble- free providers on the Net/Web. Not because it happens to be the one I use, but because of recent ratings of ISP's by PC Magazine and other sources. Concentric has consistently been rated in the tot 5 of all ISP's in the country. Please check out ALL the ISP's that you find at the above URL, check the prices, what is offered, etc. There are many out there that will give you virtually trouble free service: IX.NET, SPRY.COM, COMSTAR.NET, DELPHI.COM, EARTHLINK.NET, MCI.NET, NETCOM.COM, USEMAIL.NET, etc. The above list is, in no way, an endorsement of the various ISP's, nor means that these are the only ones that are available. They are just some that subscribers to my Lists use and seem to have to have no problems with. Go to the URL above and check out ALL of them. This email is provided as a public service for those of you who are having problems with your email server. If you are not satisfied with the one you now use, check out others. SgtGeorge mailto:sgtgeorg@concentric.net George W. Durman 925 Kevin Rd. Knoxville, TN 37923-2540 (423)470-4853 BROYLES-L ListOwner CULLOP-L ListOwner CROCKETT-L ListOwner DURMAN-L ListOwner GAROUTTE-L ListOwner LOVETTE-L ListOwner WILHITE-L ListOwner WILKINSON-L ListOwner GERMANNA_COLONIES (Temporary) ListOwner CFT-WIN-L ListOwner HOMESPUN-L ListOwner RESEARCH-HOWTO-L ListOwner SURNAME-QUERY-L ListOwner BROYLES Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.broyles) CULLOP Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.cullop) DURMAN Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.durman) WILHITE Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.wilhite) BROYLES/BRILES Family History Web Page: http://www.concentric.net/~sgtgeorg/index.shtml

Cynthia Crigler posted this today on the GERMANNA_COLONIES-L List and I thought you might be interested. It does indeed explain why names have different spellings and sometimes why we have problems in our research. Can you imagine that one of your ancestors was named RACHMANINOFF? Would this person perhaps have written it down as ROCKMEOFF? ROCKETMANOFF? ROCKMANANDOFF? The possibilities are endless. SgtGeorge =========== >>Listowner Note: The following is a real note sent from a census >>taker in the 1800s to the government. This may explain why a >>lot of us have variations in the spellings of our names. LOL >> >>centsus rekurds "I am a cencus taker for the city of Bufflow. Our >>city has groan very fast in resent years and now, in 1865, it has >>becum a hard and time consooming job to count all the peephill. >>Thare is not meny that can do this werk, as it is necesarie to >>have a ejucashun, which a lot of pursons still do not have. Another >>atribeart needed for this job is good speling, for meny of the >>peephill to be caounted can hardle speek inglish, let alone spel >>there name." =========== George W. Durman sgtgeorg@concentric.net

Several subscribers have asked me how to Search the Archives for messages with specific content. Below is what I copied from the RootsWeb web site. PLEASE, read all of it before you attempt to do it yourself. Keep in mind that this message was directed to us Listowners; however, the same procedures apply to you as a subscriber. Just follow the instructions EXACTLY AS GIVEN. PLEASE, note that all the instructions are sent to the address with the "-request". If you leave out that element, your mail will just come to the List and nothing will happen To make it absolutely clear, here is an example: Send your request to: WHATEVER-L-request@rootsweb.com NOT to: WHATEVER-L@rootsweb.com (Replace WHATEVER with the name of the List you are searching.) Your Listowner, SgtGeorge ========================== Search Features for a RootsWeb Mailing List From a message posted on 8 April to the RootsWeb listowners mailing list... Searching your archives: It can be done. We've not made a lot of noise about it before because the implications for the lists with large archives, such as ROOTS-L, are a bit scary: the "search engine" that SmartList uses is the Unix grep command. So if your list has had more than 3000 messages posted, we'd rather your users did not use the SmartList search feature. But if your list has had that many messages, let us know and we'll get a WWW search up as soon as we can. See: http://searches.rootsweb.com/roots-l.search.html to see what we did for ROOTS-L and its archive of nearly 200,000 messages.) And time allowing, we'll put up WWW searches of all the public lists, no matter whether they've had 3000 messages or not. Meanwhile, most of our lists here at RootsWeb have had substantially fewer than 3000 messages posted to them. So, how do you search the archives of your list? I'm a great believer in examples. Here's the sequence for KEITHLEY-L, a non-digested mailing list. (Margaret, GEN-MARKET, being a digest, will work a bit differently. I'll try to point out the differences as I go...) Search requests are sent to the -request for the mailing list. The subject line should say archive. If I wanted to search for the name Rowland, the command I'd use would be: search Rowland latest/* Put all together, it would look like this: To: KEITHLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: archive -------- search Rowland latest/* The search Rowland part is probably clear. What's that latest/* on the end? Your archived messages (up to 8000 of them) are stored in an area associated with your mailing list called latest. The * is a wildcard -- it says to search all the messages for Rowland. If you had said instead search Rowland latest/1* then the search would be confined to messages whose numbers start with 1 (such as 10, 15, 111, 1254, etc.) I don't think you can specify a range -- if you wrote 23-27 it wouldn't search messages 23 through 27, it would look for a message numbered 23-27, not find it, and give up. That is, this search is kind of simple minded. But that makes it easier to use? (If the list is instead a digested list, the command instead would be: search Rowland volume97/* to search all the digests in volume97, which is where the 1997 digests are stored.) What do you get back? Something like this: From: KEITHLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:07:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199704081707.KAA21885@bl-12.rootsweb.com> To: karen@rand.org Reply-To: Please.write.a.new.mail.instead.of.replying@FIRST.WORD.archive Subject: archive retrieval: search Rowland latest/* search Rowland latest/* BEGIN---------------cut here------------------ latest/12:24: Rowland family and the German Baptist Brethren church latest/16:23: My Great-grandfather, Baptist Rev. Homer Rowland of the Flatonia, Texas latest/16:24: area, was the son of Judge Robert A. Rowland and Olive Ann (Keithley) latest/16:25: Rowland of Howard County, Missouri. (Married 7 April 1846, probably in Boone latest/46:26: Thomas Rowland, Hary Grigsby and A. Grigsby, attended his funeral. After latest/47:22: His brothers and his nephews, Thomas Rowland, Harry Grigsby and A. latest/47:25: Note on this sentence: Thomas Rowland was a son of Olive Keithley Rowland, latest/47:26: wife of Robert A. Rowland. Harry and A. Grigsby were sons of Sarah Keithley What do you do with that? Well, first, note that odd "Reply-to:" line. It's bound to alarm some of your subscribers, but is actually innocuous. It's either to prevent mail loops or perhaps to make sure that the subject line, when they order the messages, isn't "Subject: Re: archive retrieval." (SmartList doesn't process messages with subject lines like that, it sends 'em straight to you.) The rest of the report is a listing of lines in which it found Rowland. (I think if you want ROWLAND you should ask for ROWLAND, though those of you who know grep might try something like search -i Rowland latest/* to see what happens). Consider this line: latest/47:26: wife of Robert A. Rowland. Harry and A. Grigsby were sons of Sarah Keithley The first bit, before the first colon, is latest/47. That says that this line is from message 47. The next bit, between the two colons, is 26 -- the line shown is the 26th line of that messages. And the rest of it is the line from the message itself. If you want to see the whole message, you can. You again write to the list's -request address, using a subject line that says: archive The command is: get latest/47 to get the 47th message (or get volume97/23 to get the 23rd digest from 1997.) SmartList is very finicky about case: get Latest/47 Will not work. Extra spaces confuse it, too -- note that there are no spaces in latest/47. Put together, the message looks something like this: To: KEITHLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Subject: archive -------- get latest/47 What do I get back? See below... From: KEITHLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com To: karen@rand.org Reply-To: Please.write.a.new.mail.instead.of.replying@FIRST.WORD.archive Subject: archive retrieval: latest/47 >From cnethawa@mailrvao1.er.usgs.GOV Wed Mar 26 11:21:08 1997 Received: from bl-4.rootsweb.com (root@bl-4.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.29]) by bl-12.rootsweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09218 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:21:08 -0800 Received: from mailrvao1.er.usgs.GOV (mailrvao1.er.usgs.gov [130.11.62.8]) by bl-4.rootsweb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA23614 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:24:47 -0800 Received: from cnethaway.usgs.gov ([130.11.63.31]) by mailrvao1.er.usgs.GOV (EMAIL 1.2.1) with SMTP id OAA07353 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:23:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970326192440.006ecf58@mailrvao1.er.usgs.gov> X-Sender: cnethawa@mailrvao1.er.usgs.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:24:40 -0500 To: KEITHLEY-L@rootsweb.com From: Charles Nethaway Subject: Joseph H. Keithley b 1823 -- cont. From the Booneville Weekly Advertiser, 16 May 1890 (Missouri) Obituary: Joseph H. Keithley, 1823-1890, Howard County, Missouri Joseph H. Keithley was born November 11, 1823, in Bourbon County, Kentucky, and died in Booneville, Missouri, May 12, 1890. ... His brothers and his nephews, Thomas Rowland, Harry Grigsby and A. Grigsby, attended his funeral. ... Note on this sentence: Thomas Rowland was a son of Olive Keithley Rowland, wife of Robert A. Rowland. Harry and A. Grigsby were sons of Sarah Keithley Grigsby, wife of A.H. Grigsby of Fayette, Howard, Missouri. Olive and Sarah were sisters of Joseph.

Thought you might be interested in the following URL: http://members.aol.com/TRoyalty/Royalty.html It is entitled "Vicki Royalty's Million Genealogy Links". I doubt that she has a "million" links (grin), but having checked it out, I can say that she has a bunch !!!!! SgtGeorge

Hi everyone - I want to invite everyone to stop by my site: Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm This site has over 21,300 categorized & cross-referenced links in over 70 different categories on over 195 separate web pages! I update the site daily and work diligently to keep the links as current as possible. Several categories have been recently re-organized a bit and there are a few new categories as well. The latest are "Hit a Brick Wall?", "Biographies", "Family Bibles", "Occupations" and "Railroads." Acadian, Cajun & Creole Adoption African-American Asia & The Pacific Australia & New Zealand Austria Belgium Biographies Books, Microfilm & Microfiche Calendars & Dates Canada General Canada Sites Alberta British Columbia Manitoba New Brunswick Newfoundland and Labrador Northwest Territories & The Yukon Nova Scotia Ontario Prince Edward Island Quebec Saskatchewan Cemeteries, Funeral Homes & Obituaries Census Related Sites Worldwide Databases, Search Sites, Surname Lists Eastern Europe Events & Activities Family Bibles Finding People Phone Numbers, E-Mail Addresses, Mailing Addresses, Places, Etc. France Germans From Russia Germany Handy Online Starting Points Heraldry Hispanic, Central & South America, & The West Indies Including Mexico, Latin America and the Caribbean Historical Events & People Hit a Brick Wall? How To Huguenot Humor & Prose Italy Jewish Land Records, Deeds, Homesteads, Etc. LDS & Family History Centers Libraries, Archives & Museums Magazines, Journals, Columns, Newsletters & Pamphlets Maps, Gazetteers & Geographical Information Medieval Mennonite Military Resources Worldwide Native American The Netherlands Newsgroups & Mailing Lists Newspapers Occupations Odds & Ends Personal Home Pages Photographs & Memories Poland Professional Researchers, Volunteers & Other Research Services Quaker Queries Railroads Recipes, Cookbooks & Family Traditions Religion & Churches ROOTS-L & RootsWeb Royalty & Nobility Scandinavia & The Nordic Countries General Scan. & Nordic Sites Denmark Finland Iceland Norway Sweden Search Engines Ships, Passenger Lists & Immigration Societies & Groups Software & Computers South Africa Spain, Portugal & The Basques Supplies, Charts, Forms, Etc. Surnames, Family Associations & Family Newsletters Switzerland Terms, Phrases, Dictionaries & Glossaries United Kingdom & Ireland Index General UK Sites Channel Islands England Ireland & Northern Ireland Isle of Man Scotland Wales United States An individual page for each U.S. state plus General U.S. Sites Library of Congress National Archives Social Security Territories & Possessions U.S. - Census U.S. - Civil War ~ ~ War for Southern Independence U.S. - Military USGenWeb & WorldGenWeb Projects Western Europe Please use the site as your own personal set of genealogy bookmarks! Successful surfing, Cyndi Howells cyndihow@oz.net Cyndi's List of Genealogy Sites on the Internet http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm Cyndi's Genealogy Home Page Construction Kit http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/construc.htm Tacoma-Pierce County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~watpcgs/tpcgs.htm Cyndi Howells <cyndihow@oz.net>

A note to subscribers of all my RootsWeb Lists: It has been brought to my attention that some of you have been removed from the subscribers list, and think that I personally removed you. This needs clarification. 1) If your mailbox fills up at your ISP, the ISP will not accept any more mail. Then, a message goes back to RootsWeb, stating that your mailbox is full. This is called a "bounce". When the "robot" at the RootsWeb server receives a pre- determined number of "bounces", usually 4 or 5, you are AUTOMATICALLY removed from the subscriber list. We seem to have the most problems with AOL users, CompuServe users, Juno users, and other ISP's where the mailbox limit is rather low. My advice to you is if you have a limit on your mailbox which is low, make sure you download often. If you are going to be away for a couple of days, please have the courtesy of unsubscribing BEFORE you leave. When you return you can subscribe again. 2) All of us, from time to time, have problems with our ISP due to its being down for repairs, re-programming, installation of new hardware or software, or having other problems which cause it to be unavailable for receiving email. When this happens, of course all messages to any user of that particular ISP will be "bounced". This causes the same automatic response by the "robot" at RootsWeb. After 4 or 5 "bounces", you WILL be removed from mailing lists at RootsWeb. 3) All error messages concerning "bounces" are sent to me as Listowner. Usually, if I see these errors for two days in a row, and the cause is a full mailbox, I WILL go ahead and manually remove the user, before the "robot" does it. This is to prevent overload on the RootsWeb server, AND on my own system. 4) Just because you have been removed from a subscription list, don't assume you have done something wrong. If there is a question, send me a private email. Heck, it has been known for a Listowner to be removed from his/her own List !!!!! 5) If I EVER remove someone for cause, e.g., unacceptable behavior on a List, unacceptable language, etc., I WILL send a private message to the user, explaining why he/she was removed. If you are removed AND don't receive a message from me telling you why, then you haven't done anything wrong. The removal was due to a full mailbox, or because of technical problems with your ISP. 6) If you are removed for any reason other than violating the rules of the List, and you want to retrieve messages that you missed while not subscribed, you can always retrieve the archives for the List. You will find instructions for this in a separate email from me to this List. 7) If you have ANY questions on this subject, send me a private email and we will discuss it. SgtGeorge Listowner

Here are the instructions for retrieving archives of past messages on this List: (Please read ALL of this message !!!!!) ************************************ Send a message to DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com In the subject, type: archive In the body, type: ls volume97 (The above is "el" "ess", not "one" "ess", and the "97" tells the RootsWeb server that you want a list of archives for the year 1997.) You get back a message that looks something like this: From DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.comSat Jun 21 11:50:36 1997 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 08:47:22 -0700 From:DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com Reply to: Please.write.a.new.mail.instead.of.replying@FIRST.WORD.archive To: sgtgeorg@concentric.net Subject: archive retrieval: ls volume97 ls -l volume97 BEGIN---------------cut here------------------ volume97: total 107 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 6509 May 27 09:40 1 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 4631 Jun 8 18:11 10 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 6091 Jun 11 07:31 11 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 2465 Jun 14 18:17 12 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 3336 Jun 16 03:52 13 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 5078 Jun 17 12:55 14 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 2200 Jun 18 09:53 15 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 1243 Jun 19 09:53 16 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 6697 May 28 11:49 2 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 12819 May 29 08:19 3 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 4464 May 30 04:29 4 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 4422 May 31 06:07 5 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 7293 Jun 3 09:20 6 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 12527 Jun 4 04:35 7 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 8894 Jun 5 04:08 8 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 9516 Jun 7 16:46 9 END-----------------cut here------------------ (You can ignore everything in the headers and in the first three columns in the body. The information you are interested in is in the last column. There are three pieces of information in this 4th column: 1) the file size; 2) the date of the archive file; 3) the file number.) (Example: For the archive file of all messages received by the List on the 3rd of June, it is 7,293 bytes in size and its number is 6.) Looking at the dates of the digest, you determine that you want messages 8 through 16 (June 5 through June 19). The file number is the last entry on each line. Send another message to: DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com In the subject, type: archive In the body, type: get volume97/8 volume97/9 volume97/1? where "?" is a UNIX wild-card meaning "any character"; "1?" will expand to 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19. You should get back all of those files as individual messages. For another List, substitute its name for "DURMAN". ************************************ Please NOTE: Messages to retrieve archives are sent to: DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com not to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com or DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com or DURMAN-D@rootsweb.com Also note that the line: get volume97/8 volume97/9 volume97/1? Is typed with no space between "volume" and "97/X", but with a space between each "volume97/X". If you have any problems with retrieving archives, please send me a private post; DO NOT send your requests for help to the List. Hope this helps, SgtGeorge

Subscribers to the Lists I maintain at RootsWeb: Below is a message from a friend of mine concerning Netscape Navigator 2.01. I apologize for "off-topic" posting, but I can sympathize with Ron, having tried to upgrade and having his original program "corrupted", as I have gone through the same thing myself many times over the years. If any of you are able to help, please don't reply to the Lists, just send him a private email to: Ron125@usit.net (I'm sure that if you have any version of 2.XX, Ron could use it.) Here is his message: *********************** Hi Folks, I would like to ask a really big favor..... I was trying to update to Netscape 3.0 and lost the 2.01. Would any of you have the Netscape 2.01 If you could .I would like for you to send me the file. I am using Chameleon and it doesn't compare to the Netscape. Let me know. ********************** Thanks, SgtGeorge

SAVE THIS MESSAGE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE !!!!! *********************************************************** The Archives of past messages are now available at RootsWeb. It is just a little complicated getting these archives, but I have tried below to make it as easy as possible. The examples I give are for retrieving archives for the HOMESPUN List. For other Lists, just substitute the name of the List for HOMESPUN. MAKE SURE YOU DO IT "EXACTLY" AS I HAVE SHOWN BELOW !!!!! Send a message to HOMESPUN-D-request@rootsweb.com In the subject, type: Archive In the body, type: ls volume97 (Put nothing else in the body; turn off any automatic signature; in the last line above that is an "el" "ess", not "one" "ess".) You will receive back a message with the following in the body: ls -l volume97 BEGIN---------------cut here------------------ total 1518 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 24270 May 24 04:16 1 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 14473 May 31 10:23 10 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 26394 Jun 1 06:02 11 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 26297 Jun 1 17:00 12 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 26478 Jun 2 09:12 13 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31642 Jun 3 00:34 14 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 14279 Jun 3 18:48 15 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30368 Jun 4 17:24 16 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 23148 Jun 5 11:29 17 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 15103 Jun 6 08:09 18 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 13941 Jun 7 05:06 19 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 22659 May 25 00:46 2 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31791 Jun 7 15:41 20 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30899 Jun 8 04:44 21 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 27920 Jun 8 11:51 22 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 32138 Jun 8 16:05 23 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30793 Jun 9 00:32 24 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30672 Jun 9 07:44 25 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28899 Jun 9 12:26 26 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31194 Jun 9 16:36 27 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31412 Jun 9 20:25 28 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31785 Jun 9 21:37 29 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31074 May 25 19:49 3 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 32045 Jun 9 22:55 30 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 32166 Jun 10 07:50 31 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31414 Jun 10 12:02 32 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31886 Jun 10 15:23 33 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 29672 Jun 10 16:45 34 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 32146 Jun 10 22:25 35 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 32083 Jun 11 08:25 36 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31285 Jun 11 16:49 37 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31960 Jun 11 23:41 38 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31573 Jun 12 09:21 39 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31726 May 26 17:52 4 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31457 Jun 12 13:12 40 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31496 Jun 12 21:32 41 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28791 Jun 13 06:20 42 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 29548 Jun 13 20:38 43 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28930 Jun 14 11:10 44 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 24472 Jun 15 05:49 45 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28648 Jun 16 01:17 46 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28043 Jun 16 19:54 47 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 25767 Jun 17 14:13 48 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 18603 Jun 18 08:52 49 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 20984 May 27 13:51 5 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30804 Jun 18 23:51 50 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 21309 Jun 19 17:52 51 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 30996 Jun 20 09:18 52 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 28747 Jun 21 03:31 53 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 24623 Jun 21 21:50 54 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 31139 May 28 04:59 6 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 18821 May 28 23:02 7 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 24055 May 29 17:17 8 -rw-rw---- 1 slist slist 8345 May 30 14:59 9 END-----------------cut here------------------ You can ignore the first three columns on the left. What you are looking for is the last column. The first numbers are the sizes of each Archive digest. Then the date and time of the Archive; then the Archive Number for that date. Note that some dates have more than one Archive. That is because there were so many messages for those dates that the file size would have exceeded the byte limit, or the number limit. Now for an example of how to retrieve the Archives for June 1, 1997. This date has two archives, Numbers 11 and 12. Send another message to HOMESPUN-D-request@rootsweb.com In the subject, type: Archive In the body, type: get volume97/11 volume97/12 NOTE: Type exactly as above. You will get back two messages, one for Archive Number 11, and one for Archive Number 12. You can also use a "wildcard" in the command in the body. Suppose you want the Archives numbered 10 through 19. You would type: get volume97/1? Then you would get back 10 individual messages, each containing an Archive with a different number. If you have difficulty, you might visit the RootsWeb site and study the instructions prepared by Listmaster Karen Isaacson. The URL is: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/members/archives.html (Thanks Karen!) I have experimented with this and have noticed that some of the earlier Archives are not formatted exactly properly. The later ones look exactly like the Digests you would receive if you were subscribed under the Digest Mode. Apparently, the archives of messages from the old MAISER Lists are not available. I know that they were transferred from MAISER to RootsWeb, but don't know if they will be made available later or not. If so, I will notify everyone. If you have ANY questions on retrieving Archives, just send me a private email. I'm always available for help. SgtGeorge mailto:sgtgeorg@concentric.net George W. Durman 925 Kevin Rd. Knoxville, TN 37923-2540 (423)470-4853 BROYLES-L ListOwner CULLOP-L ListOwner CROCKETT-L ListOwner DURMAN-L ListOwner GAROUTTE-L ListOwner LOVETTE-L ListOwner WILHITE-L ListOwner WILKINSON-L ListOwner CFT-WIN-L ListOwner HOMESPUN-L ListOwner RESEARCH-HOWTO-L ListOwner SURNAME-QUERY-L ListOwner BROYLES Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.broyles) CULLOP Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.cullop) DURMAN Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.durman) WILHITE Newsgroup Moderator (alt.family-names.wilhite) BROYLES/BRILES Family History Web Page: http://www.concentric.net/~sgtgeorg/index.shtml

---------- From: JRose10700@aol.com To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com; CROCKETT-L@rootsweb.com; CULLOP-L@rootsweb.com; DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com; GAROUTTE-L@rootsweb.com; HOMESPUN-L@rootsweb.com; LOVETTE-L@rootsweb.com; WILHITE-L@rootsweb.com; WILKINSON-L@rootsweb.com; MAISER-L@rootsweb.com; LISTOWNERS@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com; INET-GENSOC-L@rootsweb.com; GENTIPS-L@rootsweb.com; GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: usigs Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 11:24 PM Subj: usigs story Date: 97-06-09 22:57:10 EDT From: JRose10700 To: stephenl@indiana.edu(larrystephens) \ Original message of this bounced back. Maybe it was too long. Anyway, here it is again. This is a news story concerning formation of a new internet genealogical socierty for the purpose of making thousands of .raw data and record available, FREE, on the internet. Would you be so kind as to run this story, or as much of it as you feel you can, on any lists that you own or control? Thank you By JOAN ROSE As one-stop shopping at the Mall has simplified buying habits, founders of a new national genealogical organization are hoping to do likewise with integrated research sites on the internet for American root tracers. Traditionally, American genealogists have had to rely on a paper trail in often distant libraries, musty courthouse basements and weed grown cemeteries to lead to their elusive ancestors. Only recently, in the last five years, have they turned to the Internet to find information that others have written into cyberspace for them. Internet resources have been multiplying rapidly in the past two years, but available information is often sketchy, always scattered and frequently without the documentation so dear to the earnest researcher�s heart. The United States Internet Genealogical Society in May was incorporated as a non-profit corporation under the laws of California with four major goals and lots of little ones. USIGS, as it will be known on the Net, not only will seek out, index and point to all kinds of research data for free public access online, but it will seek out funding grants and contributions to help defray the costs of puting it there. "The Internet will be the Genealogical Research Library of the 21st Century," believes James Streeter, USIGS president and a descendant of the Mayflower, who has been working on his family history for 35 years to include 6500 individuals in 50 generations. "USIGS brings a new concept to the genealogy community," he explained, inasmuch as "it is dedicated to provide FREE online access to records of interest to the entire genealogy community." To this end, USIGS will encourage volunteers, both individuals and groups, to transcribe their records to websites, it will correlate all such information now online and that which is to come, and it will raise funds to pay for costs incurred in such mammoth projects as eventually putting online U.S. Census records, a long-time dream of many internetters. USIGS is not unlike an international organization, IIGS, which came into being at the same time about two months ago, and with some overlapping founders. The two will not compete, but will complement each other and work together in some fields for the benefit of genealogists. USIGS, however, will concern itself with American records, primarily of the United States, while IIGS will be open for world-wide research. Unlike IIGS, USIGS has a tightly structured executive branch, including a 12-member board of directors, a staff of officers who will oversee all projects and fund-raising activities and appointed committees with definitely-delineated duties and missions. Besides Streeter, of Buena Park, Calif., newly-elected officers include: Tom Ward of Columbus, Kans., vice president; Linda Lewis of Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., secretary; and Jerry E. Dill of Emmett, Idaho, treasurer. Board members are Don E. Dale of Kansas, David M. Leininger of Mahomet, Ill., and Billie McNamara of Knoxville, Tenn. , who are now holding one year terms; Donald L. Spidell of Safford, Ariz., Ken Hollingsworth of Redlands, Calif., John Rigdon of South Carolina, and Larry V. Stephens of Bloomington, Ind. , now holding two year terms; and Nancy Trice of Hopkins County, KY, Pat Smith of Prince of Wales Island, Alaska, and John G. West of Evansville, Ind., who are now holding three year terms. Vacancies are now being filled by appointment as worthy Web Genealogists volunteer for membership. USIGS has set up a web site at: http://www.dsenter.com/usigs/ and is providing ongoing membership information to those who subscribe to its members list. Committees already formed and chairmen are listed. ?volunteers are needed to assist in all of them and in the various projects that are in process of getting started. At this time membership is free, and all interested are encouraged to sign on at the USIGS home page. Members will be asked to volunteer time, talents, expertise and ideas as needed and to spread the word to their local organizations and other online sites to assist USIGS in getting up and running. One of its main functions is to solicit grants from corporate sponsorship and other sources and through tax-deductible contributions. Streeter has indicated that "announcement of a major source of funding may be expected soon." Any funds received will be distributed to individuals or organizations for specific projects. No priority list has been set up to receive first funds available, but one major project identified by organizers has been the Census Project, beginning perhaps with that of 1850, to put the entire census data, state by state and county by county, on line. Streeter emphasized that all records funded by USIGS will be available on line free to anyone with internet access. USIGS was not set up to make money, he stressed, but to find money to further transcription and preservation of genealogical data at internet sites. USIGS does not plan to duplicate work already in progress by other online groups, such as the USGenWeb project, he noted, but to coordinate that work to make such data readily accessible. Streeter and other officers and directors are associated with one or more of these other organizations in top management and/or working positions. Work will depend largely on local volunteers who will be able to access various physical locations, transcribe or scan records and create a site online to store and maintain it. As envisioned, this is a program that will take many years to bring to fruition, and probably never will be completed. But as more and more research sources are transferred to the internet, more and more family tree tracers will be able to pursue their hobby at home. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ unsubscribe stop e-mailing me ----------

At 14:11 06/16/97 -0700, Ernest Snelling wrote: >My gggrandfather George Jeffery of the Parish of Isle Brewers married >Sarah Durman >14 February 1804 at Beer Crocombe, Somerset, England. His brother Thomas >Jeffery of the Parish of Thorncombe married Hannah Durman (sister of >Sarah) 1 Nov 1803 at Beer Crocombe. > >I have not been able to find birth records for Sarah and Hannah nor any >record of their parents and would greatly appreciate any help. Ernie, I'm still trying to tie my g-g-g-g-grandfather, John DURMAN, back to England. Have him in Smyth Co., VA, circa 1790 and can find no earlier trace of him. Maybe your DURMAN names are distant cousins of my John. Hope someone here can help you. SgtGeorge DURMAN-L Listowner mailto:sgtgeorg@concentric.net George W. Durman 925 Kevin Rd. Knoxville, TN 37923-2540 (423) 470-4853 http://www.concentric.net/~sgtgeorg/index.shtml

My gggrandfather George Jeffery of the Parish of Isle Brewers married Sarah Durman 14 February 1804 at Beer Crocombe, Somerset, England. His brother Thomas Jeffery of the Parish of Thorncombe married Hannah Durman (sister of Sarah) 1 Nov 1803 at Beer Crocombe. I have not been able to find birth records for Sarah and Hannah nor any record of their parents and would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks. Ernie Snelling

Subj: usigs story Date: 97-06-09 22:57:10 EDT From: JRose10700 To: stephenl@indiana.edu(larrystephens) \ Original message of this bounced back. Maybe it was too long. Anyway, here it is again. This is a news story concerning formation of a new internet genealogical socierty for the purpose of making thousands of .raw data and record available, FREE, on the internet. Would you be so kind as to run this story, or as much of it as you feel you can, on any lists that you own or control? Thank you By JOAN ROSE As one-stop shopping at the Mall has simplified buying habits, founders of a new national genealogical organization are hoping to do likewise with integrated research sites on the internet for American root tracers. Traditionally, American genealogists have had to rely on a paper trail in often distant libraries, musty courthouse basements and weed grown cemeteries to lead to their elusive ancestors. Only recently, in the last five years, have they turned to the Internet to find information that others have written into cyberspace for them. Internet resources have been multiplying rapidly in the past two years, but available information is often sketchy, always scattered and frequently without the documentation so dear to the earnest researcher�s heart. The United States Internet Genealogical Society in May was incorporated as a non-profit corporation under the laws of California with four major goals and lots of little ones. USIGS, as it will be known on the Net, not only will seek out, index and point to all kinds of research data for free public access online, but it will seek out funding grants and contributions to help defray the costs of puting it there. "The Internet will be the Genealogical Research Library of the 21st Century," believes James Streeter, USIGS president and a descendant of the Mayflower, who has been working on his family history for 35 years to include 6500 individuals in 50 generations. "USIGS brings a new concept to the genealogy community," he explained, inasmuch as "it is dedicated to provide FREE online access to records of interest to the entire genealogy community." To this end, USIGS will encourage volunteers, both individuals and groups, to transcribe their records to websites, it will correlate all such information now online and that which is to come, and it will raise funds to pay for costs incurred in such mammoth projects as eventually putting online U.S. Census records, a long-time dream of many internetters. USIGS is not unlike an international organization, IIGS, which came into being at the same time about two months ago, and with some overlapping founders. The two will not compete, but will complement each other and work together in some fields for the benefit of genealogists. USIGS, however, will concern itself with American records, primarily of the United States, while IIGS will be open for world-wide research. Unlike IIGS, USIGS has a tightly structured executive branch, including a 12-member board of directors, a staff of officers who will oversee all projects and fund-raising activities and appointed committees with definitely-delineated duties and missions. Besides Streeter, of Buena Park, Calif., newly-elected officers include: Tom Ward of Columbus, Kans., vice president; Linda Lewis of Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., secretary; and Jerry E. Dill of Emmett, Idaho, treasurer. Board members are Don E. Dale of Kansas, David M. Leininger of Mahomet, Ill., and Billie McNamara of Knoxville, Tenn. , who are now holding one year terms; Donald L. Spidell of Safford, Ariz., Ken Hollingsworth of Redlands, Calif., John Rigdon of South Carolina, and Larry V. Stephens of Bloomington, Ind. , now holding two year terms; and Nancy Trice of Hopkins County, KY, Pat Smith of Prince of Wales Island, Alaska, and John G. West of Evansville, Ind., who are now holding three year terms. Vacancies are now being filled by appointment as worthy Web Genealogists volunteer for membership. USIGS has set up a web site at: http://www.dsenter.com/usigs/ and is providing ongoing membership information to those who subscribe to its members list. Committees already formed and chairmen are listed. ?volunteers are needed to assist in all of them and in the various projects that are in process of getting started. At this time membership is free, and all interested are encouraged to sign on at the USIGS home page. Members will be asked to volunteer time, talents, expertise and ideas as needed and to spread the word to their local organizations and other online sites to assist USIGS in getting up and running. One of its main functions is to solicit grants from corporate sponsorship and other sources and through tax-deductible contributions. Streeter has indicated that "announcement of a major source of funding may be expected soon." Any funds received will be distributed to individuals or organizations for specific projects. No priority list has been set up to receive first funds available, but one major project identified by organizers has been the Census Project, beginning perhaps with that of 1850, to put the entire census data, state by state and county by county, on line. Streeter emphasized that all records funded by USIGS will be available on line free to anyone with internet access. USIGS was not set up to make money, he stressed, but to find money to further transcription and preservation of genealogical data at internet sites. USIGS does not plan to duplicate work already in progress by other online groups, such as the USGenWeb project, he noted, but to coordinate that work to make such data readily accessible. Streeter and other officers and directors are associated with one or more of these other organizations in top management and/or working positions. Work will depend largely on local volunteers who will be able to access various physical locations, transcribe or scan records and create a site online to store and maintain it. As envisioned, this is a program that will take many years to bring to fruition, and probably never will be completed. But as more and more research sources are transferred to the internet, more and more family tree tracers will be able to pursue their hobby at home. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ \

We have started the two new Lists: SURNAME-QUERY-L and RESEARCH-HOWTO-L Subscribing is the same as for other RootsWeb Lists. Here are brief descriptions for each List: RESEARCH-HOWTO-L: This List is for use by those who are just getting started in genealogy research, AND for those who are not novices, but have an actual need for information on where to go when "dead ends" are encountered. This List will deal with such things as courts' records, other official documents, ships' logs, Genealogy Societies, on-line databases, Web Pages, Lists (RootsWeb and others), Historical Societies, Libraries dedicated to genealogy (such as the McClung Library in Knoxville, TN), Locations of LDS Genealogy Centers, and any other subject(s) that arise in the discussion of Genealogy Tips, Tricks, Methods, Techniques, etc. SURNAME-QUERY-L: This List is a place for users to send queries on specific surname searches. Where a List already exists for a surname a user sends in, subscribers will let the user know the name of the List, how to subscribe, etc. For surnames for which a List doesn't exist, we will encourage all subscribers to help out if they have pertinent information. If it appears that there are sufficient posts for a particular surname, after a period of time, and that a new List is justified, we will attempt to have some user start and maintain a new surname List. If no one volunteers and we still think a new List is needed, one of the hundreds of "old timers" I am in touch with will request that RootsWeb allow the new List, and will maintain it. (The cost for a new SURNAME List will (hopefully) be bourne by users who are researching that particular name.} I am in contact with many "old timers", who have stated a willingness to assist on both these Lists. We welcome ANYONE who is willing to help us out and share experience, knowledge, or expertise. It is recognized that the number of Net/Web users doing genealogical research has multiplied many-fold in the past year, and that some of them just don't know where to go to find information. It is our aim to provide a "sounding board" for all genealogy researchers to make it easier to dig out information or data from those obscure places that some "old timer" researchers know about. SURNAME-QUERY-L is a List for doing specific research, while RESEARCH-HOWTO-L is a List for finding out HOW and WHERE to conduct research. We welcome all of you to participate, to send in your questions, to provide help when possible, but most of all to have fun with your genealogy research. If you join us, PLEASE read ALL of the Welcome Message, especially the latter part, where the RULES are found. I, as Listowner, do not intend to provide all answers to questions posted to either List. There will be other subscribers who will, hopefully, provide most of the help. My main task right now is to get these Lists up and running and providing a service to the genealogy research community. If anyone needs to contact me, my email address is: sgtgeorg@concentric.net Hope to see you on the new Lists, SgtGeorge mailto:sgtgeorg@concentric.net George W. Durman 925 Kevin Rd. Knoxville, TN 37923-2540 (423)470-4853 BROYLES-L ListOwner CULLOP-L ListOwner CROCKETT-L ListOwner DURMAN-L ListOwner GAROUTTE-L ListOwner LOVETTE-L ListOwner WILHITE-L ListOwner WILKINSON-L ListOwner CFT-WIN-L ListOwner HOMESPUN-L ListOwner RESEARCH-HOWTO-L ListOwner SURNAME-QUERY-L ListOwner BROYLES Newsgroup Moderator CULLOP Newsgroup Moderator DURMAN Newsgroup Moderator WILHITE Newsgroup Moderator BROYLES/BRILES Family History Web Page: http://www.concentric.net/~sgtgeorg/index.shtml

In a message dated 97-06-03 07:30:03 EDT, GEN-NEWBIE-L@rootsweb.com writes: << So, lets cut down on the clogging up of the bandwidth of the phone lines and stop the "attachments". >> You won't have to worry about me. I have never sent an attachment and never would without the person's permission. Last night, after entering lengthy text (3 times) I lost it and the recipient requested I send it by attachment. I started to do that but had to abandon the task because I wasn't sure how. I ended up sending it by cut and paste from Microsoft Word. Thank you very much for the information.

Finally, a definitive answer to the "danged" attachments that come in with email, when the sender is using a Microsoft application for email: ___________________________________________________ "Those of you who use some Microsoft application for mail can get rid of that strange stuff at the end of your messages by making sure that you have your mailer set to "TEXT" or "US ascii", not "RTF", not "HTML." "Those last two are what add the weird attachments or the coded gobbledegook, and/or duplicates at the end of your messages. Even just turning off "quoted printable" might help in some cases." "RTF and/or HTML are the default settings and need to be turned off every time you open the program when you write to a list." (Thanks to Terri Strotman.) ____________________________________________________ NOTE THE LAST PARAGRAPH !!!!! If you don't turn off RTF and/or HTML when you send email to a List, an attachment is sent with your email. It will be either in the form of RTF, or as an HTML, which is merely a duplication of what you sent in the body of the email, and adds to the clogging up of the phone lines, takes time to download, and puts junk files in your "attachment" directory. So, lets cut down on the clogging up of the bandwidth of the phone lines and stop the "attachments". Regards, George George W. Durman mailto:sgtgeorg@concentric.net 925 Kevin Rd. Knoxville, TN 37923-2540 (423)470-4853 BROYLES ListOwner CULLOP ListOwner CROCKETT ListOwner DURMAN ListOwner GAROUTTE ListOwner LOVETTE ListOwner WILHITE ListOwner WILKINSON ListOwner CFT-WIN ListOwner HOMESPUN ListOwner BROYLES Newsgroup Moderator CULLOP Newsgroup Moderator DURMAN Newsgroup Moderator WILHITE Newsgroup Moderator BROYLES/BRILES Family History Web Page: http://www.concentric.net/~sgtgeorg/index.shtml

Just a note to everyone. It makes your messages much easier to read if you put SURNAME's in CAPITAL letters. This is the accepted practice for Net messages concerning genealogy. Also, in the Subject: header, identify persons you are researching. Subjects such as "Surname Search", "Looking for Ancestors", etc. just don't help very much, whereas Subjects such as "SMITH, James C. >VA-1782>TN-1815" or "SMITH, JONES, & BROWN >VA & TN", etc., are very helpful. Thanks, George

TO: Subscribers to all my Lists and to those who have voluntarily offered to contribute. ============================================== Ever since the "crash" of the MAISER server at Indiana Univ., I have had many messages offering to donate to RootsWeb in order to keep our Lists going. I'm happy to say that Larry at MAISER was able to negotiate a deal with RootsWeb, whereby all our Lists were transferred to RootsWeb, AT NO COST TO ANY OF US LISTOWNERS OR SUBSCRIBERS. Before the "crash", RootsWeb required a $24/year donation in order to have 2 Lists hosted. Since I have 10 lists, that would have meant $120/year for me to maintain these 10 Lists, and it's just something I do voluntarily. Most subscribers were aware of this and that was the reason they generously offered to help out. Now, since RootsWeb is doing it gratis, it won't cost me or you a single cent. Isn't that nice! I'm not asking, nor requiring, nor suggesting, nor even hinting, but if you still feel so inclined, I'm sure RootsWeb would wel- come your contributions. I've had some offer to pay the $24 in order to keep one List or another running, even had one generous soul offer to send in $48. Some have said they would pay $5 or $10, some have even suggested that $5 per month wouldn't be to heavy a price to pay to keep certain Lists going. So, if you like the "new" List and want to help out, I'm providing the snail mail address of RootsWeb below. You can send in any contributions to this address. The good-hearted folks at RootsWeb went out and bought a brand-new additional system, just to be able to accept all these Lists. They haven't asked for one red cent! Want to help out? Send a dollar or two to them. They'll appreciate it. If you really want to do it up right, send in a $24 contribution and you'll have all the privileges of using ROOTS-L at their site. Again, if you previously offered to contribute, now is the time to do so. If you didn't make such an offer, think about it. If you do decide to contribute, make out your check or money order to: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative and send to the address below. Be sure to attach a note, telling the nice people what List(s) you belong to and how much you appreciate all they have done. RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative P.O. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 "Sgt" George

OK folks, it has been changed !!!!! Now, when you click on "reply", the TO: header has the List address, instead of the address of the sender of the message. At least, for "most" email programs. It works fine with Eudora Pro and Agent 1.0 (and FreeAgent). Check out your email reader and make sure it works with it. It's back to the way it was at MAISER. Let's get some email traffic going on these List now !!!!! All my Lists are up and working at RootsWeb. See you on the List. "Sgt" George

KEEP THIS MESSAGE !!!!! ==================== DO NOT DELETE THIS MESSAGE !!!!! ============================= SAVE FOR FUTURE REFERENCE ON SUBSCRIBING & UNSUBSCRIBING !!!!! =============================== The DURMAN Discussion List has finally been moved to the RootsWeb server !!!!! There are several things that you, as a subscriber, should know: 1) Subscribing and unsubscribing are done differently than the way it was done on MAISER. Please read the Welcome Message below for particulars. 2) There will be some people receiving this, and other mail, from the List, even though they have unsubscribed lately. The reason for this is that the old subscription lists were sent from MAISER to RootsWeb without any input from us ListOwners. I had removed some subscribers here on the temporary List I had set up on my home system, but had no way to remove them from the list that went to RootsWeb. Sorry for this -- you will just have to unsubscribe again using the instructions below. 3) When you click on "reply", the address in the TO: header will be the address of the sender of the message. For now, you will have to replace it with: DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com I am working on getting the List changed so that when you click on "reply", the address in the TO: header will be the above DURMAN List address. Once this is changed, all mail you send will automatically come back to the List. Of course, if you wish to send a private email to the sender, make sure his/her address is in the TO: header. 4) If, when RootsWeb delivers the mail, it encounters problems delivering to any particular email address, I get a "bounced" notification. This is usually caused by one of the following: Mailbox Full, No Such User, No Such Email Address, Temp- orary Failure, etc. If RootsWeb attempts 5 consecutive times and cannot deliver, it automatically removes the offending email address from the list of subscribers. Not to worry. If your server is having temporary problems, more than likely they will be cleared up before there are 5 bounces for your address. If you go for a period of time and don't get any mail from the List, you can just re-subscribe. If you are already on the list, you won't be added again. For you users who have a limit on the number of messages your server allows to accumu- late in your mailbox, PLEASE keep it emptied so that there are no bounces. If you go on vacation, or are otherwise away from your computer for a day or two, BE SURE TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THE LIST before you leave. RootsWeb has no way right now to set NOMAIL, as MAISER did. You can always re-subscribe once you return. 5) There will be archives of ALL messages posted to the DURMAN List, including all those that were on MAISER. You can retrieve these archives -- I will inform you later how to do this. 6) Below is the Welcome Message that will be going out to all new subscribers. Since you were transferred over from the old MAISER List, you will not receive this message from RootsWeb. I am sending it to all of you now so you will know EXACTLY how to subscribe and unsubscribe. PLEASE READ THE MESSAGE BELOW !!!!! Then, read it again !!!!! If you do things correctly, it cuts down on the heavy load at RootsWeb, not to mention it cuts down on the mail I receive telling me someone has sent an incorrect command to RootsWeb. ================================================= NEW WELCOME MESSAGE: Welcome to the DURMAN mailing list! You are currently subscribed in "mail mode", which means that you will receive every posting made to DURMAN as a separate e-mail. The directions on how to change to digest mode are given below. 1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe and no additional text. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR "SIGNATURE ELEMENT" TURNED OFF. 2. How to subscribe. Whatever you just did worked, or you'd not be getting this message. But for future reference (for instance, if your subscription is cancelled for whatever reason and you want to resubscribe), just send the command "subscribe" to DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com. (Again, NOTHING but the word "subscribe" (without the quotation marks, of course); NO SIGNATURE ELEMENT !!!!!) 3. How to change to digest mode (several postings are combined and sent to you together as a single large message). There are two steps. First, send the command "unsubscribe" to DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com to discontinue mail mode. Second, send the command "subscribe" to DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com to start receiving digests. 4. How to change to NOMAIL mode. There is no formal NOMAIL mode. All you have to do is follow the directions above and unsubscribe when you want the messages to stop, and then when you want them to start again, simply subscribe again. 5. If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com. It will then be sent on to everyone in both mail and digest mode. You don't need to send it explicitly to both. For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription request is included below. *****NOTE FROM LISTOWNER***** The same things apply here on RootsWeb as applied on MAISER. No "flames", no profanity, no rude comments sent publicly (I would hope none are sent privately either). If your mailbox gets full, or if your server has problems, you will be dropped from the List automatically after a predetermined number of "bounces". Once the problem is cleared up, you can subscribe again. I am still available at the same email address as before: sgtgeorg@concentric.net (Make sure it is not "sgtgeorge"; there is no "e" at the end of "sgtgeorg".)