I just read a post from Karen at RootsWeb and she says Brian now has the Subscription Page changed to permit contributions via credit cards. That is great news !!!!! All you subscribers who enjoy these Lists and would like to do a little to help RootWeb should consider a "Christmas Donation" to RootsWeb. Some of you new subscribers may not be aware, but Karen and Brian run RootsWeb as a non-profit operation. They do not require that any subscriber pay anything to be able to use this wonderful genealogy service. We Listowners do pay a yearly pittance for the privilege of having RootsWeb host our Lists. Believe me, what we pay is merely a drop in the bucket compared to the enormous costs that RootsWeb has every year. So, we hope that some day enough subscribers will find it in their heart to contribute something, even if only a few dollars. Just for your informa- tion, as of November, Brian and Karen had already spent over $60,000 out of their own pockets for new equipment, software, etc. They run the service with no compensation, that is they don't get paid a red cent. Now they are having to buy new hard drives because of the newly added Archives, which are eating up disk space rapidly. Here is the URL for becoming a Contributor to RootsWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html Near the bottom of the page you will find a link to a place where you may make your contributions via credit card. It is a secure site, so you don't have to be worried about anyone else gaining access to your credit card number. It's absolutely safe!!!!! Looking forward to seeing many of you making small contributions for a good cause. Regards, SgtGeorge Listowner of Several Lists at RootsWeb

I received the below post from Caroline Price. She doesn't subscribe to the DURMAN List and wanted me to post it for her. Does anyone recognize the name Michreal DIRMON? Hope some subscriber can give us some help on this one. SgtGeorge DURMAN List Administrator ==================== I purchased an Album at an Antique Store in Azle, TX. Names listed in this album: Elixandra Brocan Mifs Lissy Fox Find Leora Dickenson Hogard Ernest Hogard Clyde Hogard W. H. Hogard Mrs. W. H. Hogard Michreal Dirmon Mr. and Mrs. Greenlum Mifs Matilda Welling Juliett Gordovo (no photo--picture holder) (above picture holder says: Leora Dickenson Hogard Leora's Grand Mother) Studios of photos are from Missouri and Ohio. These are NOT my relations. Caroline Price caroline@flash.net ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Recently, there has been much discussion about the problems that users have with their servers (ISP's) and thought that you might be interested in some recent ratings. Rather than send you the entire report, you can go to this URL and read the results: http://www.pcworld.com/workstyles/online/articles/jan98/1601p146.html You will find that the ISP that I, and others, have been recommending, is the forerunner in the country: Concentric Net, the server that I use. I have been a Concentric user since it first started, and, with the exception of some "growing pains" in the beginning, I can attest that my service with this ISP has been virtually perfect. I haven't received a busy signal when using the server for over two years. I have NEVER been dropped off line because of the fault of the server. Forgive me for sending this obvious "plug" for the server I use, but so many have so much trouble that I think everyone deserves to be made aware of the good servers that are available. Concentric is not the only one that gets good ratings -- check out the URL above and see what PCWorld has to say about them all. SgtGeorge

I have just been informed that the ATT WorldNet service has been down for six days. I don't know if this was country-wide, or just part of the country. In any case, if any of you have had problems corresponding with anyone that uses ATT WorldNet, this is the reason. To you WorldNet users that were unsubscribed and have just resub- scribed, welcome back. WorldNet is a bummer right now. We List- owners have been having problems with List subscribers from WorldNet for several weeks. Regards, SgtGeorge Listowner at RootsWeb

John Robertson has provided a web site where he gives help on learning how to use the Search Engine for the Archives at RootsWeb. There has been some discussion lately as to what exactly must be typed in to get the results you want. John's page is a fantastic aid for saving time and for finding just those messages that contain what you want. For instance, some users have been discussing how to find messages containing a specific name, say John Smith. If not done properly, the search engine will find all messages containing BOTH the word John AND the word Smith. John shows how to find John Smith. Either of these searches will turn up only John Smith: "John Smith" or John+Smith All searches are case insensitive, that is, it doesn't matter whether words are capitalized, in all caps, or in all lowercase. Check out his web page and find out how easy it is use RootsWeb's Search Engine for the Archives. The URL is: http://www.shelby.net/shelby/jr/robertsn/rwsearch.htm SgtGeorge ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

There has been some confusion as to how to research the Archives and exactly which URL to use for doing so. Actually, there are two addresses, and each connects you to a different page which serves a specific purpose. Let's start with the "original" page and see what it offers. You can log on to: http://lists.rootsweb.com/~archiver/lists/ Here you can navigate to any of the 1000+ RootsWeb Lists by clicking in the appropriate places. I'm going to use one of my Lists as an example: The BROYLES List. Once you have connected to the above URL, you will see an "ftp-type" page, no frills, no graphics, just an index of all the Lists available. Scroll down the page until you come to BROYLES-L. Click on that link. You will then get a page that shows all the Archives for the BROYLES-L List. In this case, the only option is for the year 1997. When all the old Archives from MAISER are added, you will have a choice of 1997, 1996, or 1995. Anyway, click on 1997. Then you will have a choice of the "month" of 1997 that you want to look at for Archives. Again, since not all of the RootsWeb files have been archived yet, the only choices are November and December. When all the files have been added, you will have a choice of any month in the year. Let's click on December. Now you get a "real" web page, showing all the email for the BROYLES-L List that has been processed this month. Each message is listed, showing the Subject, the # of followups, and the name of the sender. Now let's click on a message with the Subject of "BROYLES/ WILLIAMS", that shows 1 followup. You then get a page containing the original message and the followup. Each message is shown exactly as it was when it was sent to the List, including the headers, and all the body. At the bottom of each page, you will find links to: Email Archives (All Lists) Email Archives (This List, This Month) Email Archives (This List, This Year) Email Archives (This List, All Years) From here you should be able to look through the Archives at your leisure and see what has gone before. NOW, TO THE SECOND URL: This page at RootsWeb does not give you the opportunity to see Archives, categorized by Year, Month, etc. It gives you the opportunity to SEARCH through ALL the email for any given List for a specific word or phrase. Go to this URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl You will get a web page where you type in the name of the List and then click on Submit. IMPORTANT !!!!! When you type in the name of the List, you DON'T type in the "-L" or the complete address. You type in JUST the NAME of the List. Let's go on with our example of BROYLES. In the space provided, you type in BROYLES. Not BROYLES-L or BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com Once you type in the name of the List and click on Submit, you will again find a place to type something in. This time you type in the WORD or PHRASE that you want to search for. Then you click which year, in this case 1997 or 1996, then click on Submit. Let's type in the word JACOB. (When you type in your search word or phrase, OR when you type in the name of the List, case doesn't matter. You can type in Broyles or bROYLES, or BrOyLeS, or Jacob or jACOB; the search is case insensitive.) Click on 1997, then Submit. You'll get a page showing every message in the Archives from 1997 that contains the word JACOB, either in the Subject OR in the body of the message. From there you are on your own, just look at each message to see if it's what you're looking for. To search for a phrase, let's say JACOB BROYLES, you would type the following in the space provided: Jacob and Broyles To see all messages that contain EITHER of these words. To see all the messages that contain ONLY the words JACOB BROYLES, type in: Jacob Broyles If you want to search for JACOB BROYLES or WILLIAM BROYLES, type the following: (Jacob Broyles) or (William Broyles). That's all there is to it. You don't have to be worried that a "search worm" from some unscrupulous entrepreneur will be able to look through these Archives and get your email address or any other information. As you should be able to see from the above, there are just too many things that a searcher has to be able to do for an automatic program to plunder the Archives. We can forget having to use "X-Commands" to retrieve past messages. This way is much better. You can read a message, highlight all of it, copy, and paste to get it on your harddrive. OR, a much better way is, once you have clicked on a specific message and it shows up, click on File, then Save As, and navigate to the drive and directory where you wish is stored and it will be there just as if you had "Saved" it from your email program. If anyone has any questions, PLEASE send them to me privately at: sgtgeorg@concentric.net And do not send back to the List. Merry Christmas SgtGeorge ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

OK folks, RootsWeb has finally got the Archives access working via their Web Site. What this means, is that you no longer have to bother with those troublesome and complicated "X-Commands", via email, to retrieve past messages from any List from the Archives. All you have to do is logon to RootsWeb and navigate to the appropriate List. From there you just go to the particular year and month you are interested in and look at all the messages for that month. You will see a list with the subject line of each. The address for the Archives is: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Just follow the prompts and navigate to wherever you want to go. All past months' Archives are not up yet, but will be added as the folks at RootsWeb have the time. Also, eventually, all the messages from our Lists at MAISER (before the "big crash") will be added as well. The Archives contain all the "trash", "flames", "spam", etc., that were originally posted to the Lists. There is no way to weed out these things from the Archives, and, personally, I think they belong there. After all, Archives, by the very name, imply that ALL the historical data is included there. If you've ever sent a nasty note or argued with someone on the Lists, your email is there. Maybe this will be a lesson for all that when you have something to say that should remain private, you shouldn't post it to the List for everyone to read. There is absolutely no need to worry about unscrupulous persons gaining email addresses for SPAM mailing lists from these Archives. The reason they CAN'T get your email address is technical, but the automatic search programs these lowlifes use cannot navigate through the different levels of pages that would be necessary for them to get email addresses from Archives at RootsWeb. In order for anyone to get a list of email addresses from the Archives, a human would have to logon to the search page and look at each and every email message there. If anyone is that dedicated to the purpose of amassing addresses, he/she could just as easily do the same thing by subscribing to the Lists and copying the email addresses of every poster. It's just not something that anyone would spend the time doing. Anyway, the Archives are there -- drop by the site if you want to see what has been sent in the past. This is especially helpful for new subscribers that want to see what discussions have occurred. Just one other word -- you will find out very soon that using APPROPRIATE Subject lines in your messages is very, very important. AND, when you reply to a post and change subjects, you MUST type in a new Subject line. You will run across many, many messages with Subject lines that are so useless that you have no idea what is being discussed. If this aggravates you, good! It will make you more aware of the importance of using "good" Subject lines. Regards, SgtGeorge List Administrator P.S. I included SURNAME-QUERY as a CC: recipient, since I figured you subscribers could use the info also. ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Here is an excerpt from the latest Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter, Vol. 2 No. 49 - December 6, 1997, by Richard Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. This is a utility produced by the same person that writes the fantastic genealogy database program, Cumberland Family Tree (CFT). Copyright (C) 1997 by Richard Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. All rights reserved. The following article is from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter and is copyright 1997 by Richard W. Eastman and Ancestry, Inc. It is re-published here with the permission of the author. ================================================================ - Universal Calendar Calculator for Windows I had a chance to use a neat little program this week. I have always been a fan of small, simple programs that do only one task but do it very well. The Universal Calendar Calculator qualifies as such a program. It can display and convert between 20 different calendars: Julian Day Number, Gregorian (New Style), Julian (Old Style), Roman-Julian, French Revolution (Original and Modified), Hebrew, Islamic, Chinese, Chinese/Gregorian, Hindu Saka, Hindu Vikrama, Hindu Kali Yuga (Solar and LuniSolar), Coptic, Ethiopic, Persian, Bahai, Mayan Long Count and Thai Suriyakati Calendar. The Universal Calendar Converter also contains: 1. Dates of holidays for the United States, Christian (Nicean Rule and Modern), Islamic, Jewish, Chinese, Hindu and Bahai. 2. Regional date of conversion from the Old Style (Julian) to the New Style (Gregorian) for more than 100 localities. 3. Over 90 Medieval European Regional Day Name Calendars. These calendars allow you to easily identify the specific Julian Calendar day of many Latin day names given in Medieval documents. The program can calculate dates between 5000 BC and 5000 AD quite comfortably. It also calculates the number of years, months and days between any two dates, even if those dates are entered in different calendars. In addition, the Universal Calendar Converter can be customized for many languages in the world, although the author says that it cannot handle Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese. Japanese, Korean or Mongolian. (That would appear to be a minor limitation for most people.) Neat program. The Universal Calendar Converter is produced by Cumberland Family Software, the same company that produces Cumberland Family Tree. It is a shareware program with a $25.00 (U.S.) registration fee. The program is available on CompuServe's Genealogy Techniques Forum at GO ROOTS as well as on the World Wide Web at http://www.cf-software.com. For more information, send an e-mail to Cumberland Family Software at 71561.2751@compuserve.com. ================================================================ If you visit the above referenced web site to read about, and perhaps down- load the Calendar program, be sure to check out the genealogy program, CFT. Everyone has his/her favorite genealogy program, but this Universal Calendar Converter is unique. There is no other such program on the market that does what this one does. For you researchers that get confused by the "old style" dates that are found in records of ancestors, in the 1700's and earlier, this utility is absolutely "necessary". SgtGeorge List Administrator ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

I concur with you, the actions of Sgt. George seems to harsh for the conditions. AL ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Yes I agree. My mail server(ISP) was down the other day for 24 hrs. Come to find out my ISP was up-grading to make connecting faster and easier. I'm know I had some e-mail bounce back. This problem was beyond my control. Sharon Day 4day@qni.com LadyDra wrote: > > Here Here!!!! Some people think because they pay 12 bucks that makes them > God or something ;-( Personally I am getting tired of it all. There are > many more reasons as to why mail would bounce OTHER than a FULL mail > box!!!!!! And I am sure George that YOU have NEVER had a letter bounce. > Shelia Watson Wenckens > > ---------- > > From: Randy Sahr <rsahr@mail.tds.net> > > To: RESEARCH-HOWTO-L@rootsweb.com > > Cc: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com; > CROCKETT-L@rootsweb.com; CULLOP-L@rootsweb.com; DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com; > GAROUTTE-L@rootsweb.com; HOMESPUN-L@rootsweb.com; LOVETTE-L@rootsweb.com; > WILHITE-L@rootsweb.com; WILKINSON-L@rootsweb.com; > SURNAME-QUERY-L@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Checking Your Mail Regularly and Getting Removed from the > Lists > > Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:12 AM > > > > SgtGeorge, > > This sounds a little unreasonable to me, but can understand the > > difficulty from your end. Guess I was REALLY lucky when my modem went > > out that I have a great ISP, huh? As I mentioned to you privately, I > > came back online after the month it took to get the repair, to 12,000+ > > posts in my mailbox. Evidently Nothing bounced <G>. > > > > I do NOT understand the need to put Anyone on the REJECT list so that > > they can never resub to any of the lists you maintain. I'm sure that I > > am not the only individual to have a computer crash of some kind, and > > thus be offline without any warning, left with No Way to Notify Any > > List, and also with no idea of how long they may be offline! Have a > > little pity, please? These things Do happen. > > best regards, > > Randy > > mailto:rsahr@waun.tdsnet.com > > > > George W. Durman wrote: > > > To subscribers to all my Lists: > > > > > > Henceforth, if your server will not accept email to you because your > mailbox > > > is full, and I receive "bounced" messages, I will not only unsubscribe > you > > > from that List, I will put you on the "reject" list at RootsWeb. What > that > > > means > > > is that once your address is there, you will not be able to resubscribe > to any > > > of the Lists that I maintain. The only way you can get back on again > is to > > > send me a private email, explaining WHY you let your mailbox fill up > and > > > WHAT you are going to do to prevent it in the future. > > > > > > ==== HOMESPUN Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from HOMESPUN, send an e-mail message to: > > HOMESPUN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > > HOMESPUN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > > Subject: unsubscribe > > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > > > > > ==== WILHITE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from WILHITE, send an e-mail message to: > WILHITE-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > WILHITE-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Here Here!!!! Some people think because they pay 12 bucks that makes them God or something ;-( Personally I am getting tired of it all. There are many more reasons as to why mail would bounce OTHER than a FULL mail box!!!!!! And I am sure George that YOU have NEVER had a letter bounce. Shelia Watson Wenckens ---------- > From: Randy Sahr <rsahr@mail.tds.net> > To: RESEARCH-HOWTO-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com; CROCKETT-L@rootsweb.com; CULLOP-L@rootsweb.com; DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com; GAROUTTE-L@rootsweb.com; HOMESPUN-L@rootsweb.com; LOVETTE-L@rootsweb.com; WILHITE-L@rootsweb.com; WILKINSON-L@rootsweb.com; SURNAME-QUERY-L@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Checking Your Mail Regularly and Getting Removed from the Lists > Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:12 AM > > SgtGeorge, > This sounds a little unreasonable to me, but can understand the > difficulty from your end. Guess I was REALLY lucky when my modem went > out that I have a great ISP, huh? As I mentioned to you privately, I > came back online after the month it took to get the repair, to 12,000+ > posts in my mailbox. Evidently Nothing bounced <G>. > > I do NOT understand the need to put Anyone on the REJECT list so that > they can never resub to any of the lists you maintain. I'm sure that I > am not the only individual to have a computer crash of some kind, and > thus be offline without any warning, left with No Way to Notify Any > List, and also with no idea of how long they may be offline! Have a > little pity, please? These things Do happen. > best regards, > Randy > mailto:rsahr@waun.tdsnet.com > > George W. Durman wrote: > > To subscribers to all my Lists: > > > > Henceforth, if your server will not accept email to you because your mailbox > > is full, and I receive "bounced" messages, I will not only unsubscribe you > > from that List, I will put you on the "reject" list at RootsWeb. What that > > means > > is that once your address is there, you will not be able to resubscribe to any > > of the Lists that I maintain. The only way you can get back on again is to > > send me a private email, explaining WHY you let your mailbox fill up and > > WHAT you are going to do to prevent it in the future. > > > ==== HOMESPUN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from HOMESPUN, send an e-mail message to: > HOMESPUN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > HOMESPUN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

I will second that motion as I have had the same experience. Why are you being so hard nosed? Were you really a Sarge in the Army? I'm a Retard and I was never that hard on anyone. Ease up a little and life will be better for all of us, including you. Larry Randy Sahr wrote: > > SgtGeorge, > This sounds a little unreasonable to me, but can understand the > difficulty from your end. Guess I was REALLY lucky when my modem went > out that I have a great ISP, huh? As I mentioned to you privately, I > came back online after the month it took to get the repair, to 12,000+ > posts in my mailbox. Evidently Nothing bounced <G>. > > I do NOT understand the need to put Anyone on the REJECT list so that > they can never resub to any of the lists you maintain. I'm sure that I > am not the only individual to have a computer crash of some kind, and > thus be offline without any warning, left with No Way to Notify Any > List, and also with no idea of how long they may be offline! Have a > little pity, please? These things Do happen. > best regards, > Randy > mailto:rsahr@waun.tdsnet.com > > George W. Durman wrote: > > To subscribers to all my Lists: > > > > Henceforth, if your server will not accept email to you because your mailbox > > is full, and I receive "bounced" messages, I will not only unsubscribe you > > from that List, I will put you on the "reject" list at RootsWeb. What that > > means > > is that once your address is there, you will not be able to resubscribe to any > > of the Lists that I maintain. The only way you can get back on again is to > > send me a private email, explaining WHY you let your mailbox fill up and > > WHAT you are going to do to prevent it in the future. > > ==== SURNAME-QUERY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from SURNAME-QUERY, send an e-mail message to: > SURNAME-QUERY-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > SURNAME-QUERY-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

SgtGeorge, This sounds a little unreasonable to me, but can understand the difficulty from your end. Guess I was REALLY lucky when my modem went out that I have a great ISP, huh? As I mentioned to you privately, I came back online after the month it took to get the repair, to 12,000+ posts in my mailbox. Evidently Nothing bounced <G>. I do NOT understand the need to put Anyone on the REJECT list so that they can never resub to any of the lists you maintain. I'm sure that I am not the only individual to have a computer crash of some kind, and thus be offline without any warning, left with No Way to Notify Any List, and also with no idea of how long they may be offline! Have a little pity, please? These things Do happen. best regards, Randy mailto:rsahr@waun.tdsnet.com George W. Durman wrote: > To subscribers to all my Lists: > > Henceforth, if your server will not accept email to you because your mailbox > is full, and I receive "bounced" messages, I will not only unsubscribe you > from that List, I will put you on the "reject" list at RootsWeb. What that > means > is that once your address is there, you will not be able to resubscribe to any > of the Lists that I maintain. The only way you can get back on again is to > send me a private email, explaining WHY you let your mailbox fill up and > WHAT you are going to do to prevent it in the future. ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

About two days ago I sent this URL as a place to go on the Web and find passenger ships from Europe docking in New York and Philadelphia. From the time I posted it, the owner of the web site changed servers. Here is the old URL (DON'T USE IT): http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/5341/sources.htm The new URL for the same information is: http://www.ideaschool.org/worldgenweb/Ireland/sources.htm And the web site's name is: Immigration/Passenger Bibliography. You will find NO actual ships passenger logs here, BUT you WILL find a wealth of information on which books to look for in your local library for these lists. There are many, many references to ships carrying passengers from the Palatine area of Germany in the early 1700's. Plus, here you can find ships carrying immigrants from all parts of Europe. Sorry about the first URL, but the owner changed it on me in mid-stream, so to speak. SgtGeorge ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

This is the first time I have seen definitive statemment of this kind since I joined several lists recently. I am really pleased to see it and, despite one or two instances of genuine confusion or genuine inability to trace copyright, it raises two issues. 1. We should be attempting to protect the listowners (and others who help to provide us with this amazing internet facility) from unnecessary hassle and possibly 'official' problems if copyright infringement on lists becomes very great. 2. If list members are not prepared to do the necessary work to discover who owns copyright, and then gain permission to use material, in my view they should not use it. We have conventions about behaviour on the web (netiquette). I see no reason why we should not have conventions relating to copyright infringement which operate in our lists. Frank Ashton ---------- From: George W. Durman Sent: 20 November 1997 8:23 To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com; CFT-WIN-L@rootsweb.com; CROCKETT-L@rootsweb.com; CULLOP-L@rootsweb.com; DURMAN-L@rootsweb.com; GAROUTTE-L@rootsweb.com; HOMESPUN-L@rootsweb.com; LOVETTE-L@rootsweb.com; WILHITE-L@rootsweb.com; WILKINSON-L@rootsweb.com; RESEARCH-HOWTO-L@rootsweb.com; SURNAME-QUERY-L@rootsweb.com; GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RootsWeb's Position on "Copyright" Material - READ !!!!! Here is a post from Dr. Brian at RootsWeb, concerning RootsWeb's position on "Copyright" material. Please READ and HEED. **********(Start of Brian's Post)********** Hi everyone - I'm sorry to have to do this, but I'm starting to lose a day a week or more to this problem and it's gotta stop. Remember, RootsWeb only has three formal policies but the *first* among them is "No copyrighted material (save with permission or as allowed by Fair Use)". Also remember that for the purpose of policy, RootsWeb takes a conservative view of intellectual property rights. We don't have much use for the "facts can't be copyrighted" truism, because almost everyone who uses that expression doesn't understand what it does and doesn't mean. And even when some material can be legally copied, it may still be morally wrong or invite public relations problems to do so. In particular, RootsWeb generally believes that *anything* published in book form within the last 75 years should not be copied and appear on our servers without the permission of the author or the copyright holder. That *specifically* applies to cemetery transcriptions: if you didn't walk the cemetery yourself and you don't have explicit permission from the person who did, that material should NOT be served from RootsWeb. It's fine for folks to disagree with our policies, but if you do disagree please have the courtesy of using other servers to host material that might violate RootsWeb's policies. If you insist on serving that material from RootsWeb, you're cheating *everyone* else by diverting Karen and me into dealing with legal problems when we should be creating accounts and mailing lists for the community. Thanks for your help with this, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com ==== CFT-WIN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from CFT-WIN, send an e-mail message to: CFT-WIN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) CFT-WIN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Here is a post from Dr. Brian at RootsWeb, concerning RootsWeb's position on "Copyright" material. Please READ and HEED. **********(Start of Brian's Post)********** Hi everyone - I'm sorry to have to do this, but I'm starting to lose a day a week or more to this problem and it's gotta stop. Remember, RootsWeb only has three formal policies but the *first* among them is "No copyrighted material (save with permission or as allowed by Fair Use)". Also remember that for the purpose of policy, RootsWeb takes a conservative view of intellectual property rights. We don't have much use for the "facts can't be copyrighted" truism, because almost everyone who uses that expression doesn't understand what it does and doesn't mean. And even when some material can be legally copied, it may still be morally wrong or invite public relations problems to do so. In particular, RootsWeb generally believes that *anything* published in book form within the last 75 years should not be copied and appear on our servers without the permission of the author or the copyright holder. That *specifically* applies to cemetery transcriptions: if you didn't walk the cemetery yourself and you don't have explicit permission from the person who did, that material should NOT be served from RootsWeb. It's fine for folks to disagree with our policies, but if you do disagree please have the courtesy of using other servers to host material that might violate RootsWeb's policies. If you insist on serving that material from RootsWeb, you're cheating *everyone* else by diverting Karen and me into dealing with legal problems when we should be creating accounts and mailing lists for the community. Thanks for your help with this, B. -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 leverich@rootsweb.com ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Look at these statistics. See what RootsWeb is doing with less than a half dozen staff, as compared to Wired Magazine with a staff of 150. If one interpolates the data from Wired Magazine, then RootsWeb should have a staff of 84 people to handle 9 million page hits per month. To paraphrase Dr. Brian, isn't it amazing what a handful of dedicated genealogy buffs can do, when aided by all us volunteers? So the next time anyone feels like griping about occasional pleas for "voluntary" contributions from RootsWeb, consider how so much is being done by so few, with so little monetary resources. 90 million pieces of mail per month ????? !!!!! Did you users realize you were getting so much for so little????? Support RootsWeb!!!!! Go to the URL at: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html For information on how to contribute to RootsWeb, AND about all the wonderful benefits you can receive for a paltry sum, check out this site. Want space for your own Web Page????? Check out the above web site and find out how you, too, can host a home page for just joining the RootsWeb group. Check in, join up, and get involved. You will never have a better chance. SgtGeorge List Maintainer ************(Start of Brian's Post)************* Individual subscriptions to lists on lists.rootsweb.com (addresses on multiple lists are double-counted): 01 June about 90,000 15 September about 150,000 19 November more than 200,000 That's about a 15% PER MONTH growth rate. Also, Business Week magazine recently reported that Wired magazine has a staff of 150 supporting their Website, which currently receives 16 million page hits per month. RootsWeb's Web server supports about 9 million page hits per month, and we also deliver about 90,000,000 pieces of mail each month. Amazing what a bunch of volunteers can do, eh? Cheers, B. ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Hello folks. Just another "nudge" to remind you all that RootsWeb is a non-profit endeavor and that it is kept going only by contributions from users. Here is an excerpt from a recent message from Brian at RootsWeb: *************************** In a message dated 97-11-17 05:18:24 EST, leverich@rootsweb.com writes: << FWIW, when we last balanced our books on 15 Sept 97 we had paid something over $60,000 in hard expenses (equipment and bandwidth) over the course of the last year and received something under $40,000 in contributions from users. The $20,000 difference came out of Karen and my pockets. *************************** Of course, we Listowners contribute often but that is not enough to pay all the expenses at RootsWeb. As users you do NOT have to contribute to keep using the Lists; however, if you use them a lot and get a lot of value from them, any small contribution would help. Many of the users of my Lists have contributed in the past, everything from $5 up to hundreds of dollars. If every user gave $5 RootsWeb would have enough resources to become the grandest genealogy server in the world. Did you know that with enough money, RootsWeb could set up the hardware and software to have access to all the LDS records in Utah ????? They could purchase and set up access to such things as all the logs for all the ships on which our ancestors arrived in this country? There are archives out there just waiting to be tapped into, but it takes MONEY. If anyone is interested, here is the address for making contributions: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative P.O. Box 6798 Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 Brian is setting up the necessary software to allow RootsWeb to accept credit card payments. It should be done by the time you read this. If you want to contribute, you should log on to: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html To see if you can pay via credit cards yet. Come on folks, it's the season for generosity !!!!! Think of your small contribution as a Christmas present for the world-wide genealogy community. This is one present that you, as the giver, will also benefit from. How can you lose?! SgtGeorge List Maintainer ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

To: Subscribers to all the Lists which I maintain. If you're receiving this message, then you subscribe to one of my Lists. Over the past week we have had quite an affair at RootsWeb concerning Archiving of messages to the Lists. Things have changed and I will try to cover all the changes below. Now, to clear up some confusion, Archives are nothing but permanently stored files containing ALL the past posts to the Lists at RootsWeb. For instance, if you subscribe to SURNAME-QUERY, every message you have sent to that List will be in the Archives for THAT List. Every message sent by anyone to that List will be in the Archives. These Archives have already been available for some time to anyone who knew how to send the appropriate email messages containing "X-commands". By placing them on RootsWeb web site, you no longer have to try to remem- ber all those arcane commands, how to format them, etc. Once the Archives pages are active at RootsWeb, all you have to do is log on to the appropriate URL, navigate to the appropriate List's pages and search to your heart's content. The Archives will eventually contain all the messages posted to the Lists, plus all those posted to the same Lists when they were at MAISER. There will be NO usernames and NO passwords !!!!! Anyone can log on and browse through the files. If that scares you, then please read on. In the first place, each person who sends email to a public forum, such as the Lists at RootsWeb, should be aware that, with a few exceptions, anyone may subscribe to the Lists and receive all the email posted there. So, if you sent something in the past that you are afraid will show up in the permanent Archives, well.......you are already too late. Your email has already been read by everyone who subscribes/subscribed to a particular List. As to those posts being in the Archives, why worry now? Next, some "worry-warts" whine that the genealogical data they post to the Lists will be available to anyone to copy and publish and get rich. Ha Ha! If these nefarious thieves wanted your genealogical data, they could have already copied it by reading your email to the Lists. Now, it may seem that once it is all together in one place with easy access, some data thieves may now find it profitable to log on and copy material, put it on CD and get rich. Let me ask each of you a question. If you don't want other researchers to see your research, why did you post it to the Lists in the first place? If you wanted it to remain private and not be disseminated, you've already goofed. Folks, once you send it via email, the whole world has access to it. To finalize -- from here forward, if you have something you don't want others to see and be able to copy for further dissemination, DON'T send it to a List !!! If you have sent something in the past that you now decide you don't want to be open to the public, sorry but it's too late. Messages already sent to a List are going to show up in the Archives. There is nothing you or I can do about it. BE WARNED !!!!! If you don't want your email to a List Archived at RootsWeb, don't send it in the first place. For some of you SURNAME-QUERY users, you CANNOT go to the Archives for that List and expect to find myriads of messages on EVERY surname. ONLY those messages sent to SURNAME-QUERY will be in the Archives. If you want to do a thorough search of the Archives for specific surnames, start with SURNAME-QUERY, then do a search of the List for that specific surname, such as SMITH-L, BROYLES-L, JONES-L, etc. This matter is NOT open to vote or discussion. There will be no usernames or passwords required to access the Archives, starting on December 1st. Until that time, the Archives will not be available. You will have varying opinions on the openness of the Archives. There is no need to argue them here on the Lists. It will change nothing. Here is my viewpoint in a nutshell: If I send genealogical data to a List, I do so for the express purpose of making that data available for others to benefit from. If I am one of those "little old ladies" who have spent the last 50 years of their lives collecting data and be damned if I will share it with the unwashed, then I won't send the data to the Lists. For the life of me, I could never figure out why they collect the data if they don't want other family members to benefit from it. This attitude is more prevalent than you might think. I am researching several surname lines where there are people possessing unbelievable amounts of data, but will only part with it if I PROVE my connection to that surname line, seem like a "nice" guy, and PROMISE not to pass it on to anyone else. Saints protect me !!!!! If any of you just HAVE to comment on this, DO NOT send your comment to the List. Send it to me via private email. My address is in the headers at the beginning of this message, and here it is again: sgtgeorg@concentric.net DO NOT burden the rest of the List users by posting back here to this List. Regards, SgtGeorge Listowner ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)

Word to the Wise regarding MCI. I too, WAS very happy with MCI until !!! Ahghhhhh!!!! I switched my long dististance to AT&T (Hey, they had a better deal) The next day my Internet service was CANCELED..... Dead.... Gone... Caputz. It took 4 phone calls and much time with Tech support (Which by the way is superior!!!) to get back online. I had to reinstall the MCI software. They do not support Netscape Navigator but I am using it.... It's not that difficult to set up, but I am on my own with it... I don't like that. I am still with MCI.... am not having problems with mail and I am very satisfied now. Just be aware, contact MCI BEFORE switching long distance carriers, so that they have "time" to set up alternate billing methods. Kathy Snow-Bryce KatBryce @mci2000.com or KatBryce@juno.com Stuck in the Beautiful Everglades of Florida North Fort Myers, FL 33917 Researching BRYCE SCT>VA>MI FASSETT MA>MI FONDA NY>MI RANDALL NY>MI RAYMER NY>MI SNOW ?>TX>IL>WI>MI John Baggarley wrote: > This is not an add for MCI but I have been using MCI as my ISP for > quite > a while ahd have found them helpful when I have problems . When I have > > been out of town I know I can count on getting ALL my mail as many as > 500 messages at one time. > > John B. > > George W. Durman wrote: > > > > Today it has been brought to my attention that I have erred in > lumping all > > snip< > > decided to "bounce" the email with the message, "User has a Full > Mailbox". > ==== DURMAN Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from DURMAN, send an e-mail message to: DURMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) DURMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command)