In a message dated 09/01/2007 14:52:00 GMT Standard Time, ovington1@btconnect.com writes: Hi Stan >From http://www.old-maps.co.uk Grid Ref: 428592,557458 _________________________________________________________ Hi Nivard, Thank you for that, no wonder it is difficult to find, it appears to be just a farmhouse. Now where is the Havanah near Kyo? Regards Stan Mapstone