Net Checkout the link at http://www.isgs.uiuc.edu/coalsec/coal/mines_series/pdf_mines_directories/min es_dir_lasalle.pdf. Only very few mines existed in LaSalle Il at that point in time. Other resources at the same site can show the location of the mine and surrounding towns. Best Don Harker Gurnee, IL -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:03 PM To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 38 Administrivia: To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Birth certificate (Stanmapstone@aol.com) 2. Mining Links in La Salle Illinois? (Net A) 3. Re: Where can I find place of burial (Philip Phipps) 4. Question (Jenny De Angelis) 5. Birth certificate (Jenny De Angelis) 6. Re: Birth certificate (Stanmapstone@AOL.COM) 7. Death's at sea (joe) 8. Parish Lists (Judy Bleay) 9. Re: People who died overseas at war (pentiscali) 10. Re: People who died overseas at war (Stanmapstone@aol.com) 11. Re: People who died overseas at war (Stanmapstone@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:17:23 EST From: Stanmapstone@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Birth certificate To: joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au, DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c20.dddaa89.32eb2123@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 26/01/2007 03:29:41 GMT Standard Time, joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au writes: I know about the correct fee and to and to send a stamped addressed envelope . I really need the nearest Registry Office. _____________________________________________________ Sorry, should have added that it was registered in Alnwick Regards Stan Mapstone ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:52:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Net A <net.ambler@btinternet.com> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Mining Links in La Salle Illinois? To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20070126095241.42124.qmail@web86709.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Morning All I have a bit of an oddity in my family tree that I want to try and get some more information on. Hopefully someone with access to Ancestry records in the US may be able to help. George Oughton was a miner in Hetton Le Hole, Durham. He had two children with his wife Isabella in Tudhoe and Hetton Le Hole. On the census returns it states that his next two daughters - Mary (abt 1868) and Ida (abt 1873) were born in La Salle Illinois. The next child was George and he was born back in Hetton Le Hole abt 1876. George and Isabella weren't particularly well off and would have struggled to pay the passage even as steerage passengers. Did they really go to Illinois? Was there a mining community there? How did they afford to travel home again? This is a real puzzle for us and would be hugely grateful for any thoughts or assistance on where to look next. Regards Net ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:39:31 +0000 From: Philip Phipps <philip@konti.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Where can I find place of burial To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <vhxvf7BTSguFFwYR@konti.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed >Message: 7 >Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:34:43 -0500 >From: "SHERRY SHONDELMYER" <bobnsher3@verizon.net> >Subject: [DUR-NBL] where can I find place of burial >To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001601c74096$567e7a70$2d01a8c0@yourb27fb1c401> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I need to find a place of burial for my family > I know ordering death cert would probably state burial place, As Stan says, it doesn't. > Thomas Perry died bet 1881-1891 >he was last living in Kyo Lane Head You need a copy of his death certificate to know where he was living when he died. A death for a Thomas Perry was registered in Morpeth during the September Quarter 1885, aged 63, which is about the right age. >Isabella Perry died bet 1891-1901 >she was last living in Southmoor Perhaps not, her son was living in Ashington in 1901, and there was a death registered, again in Morpeth, for an Isabella Perry during the March Quarter 1897, aged 74, which is also is about the right age. >I would hope she is buried with her husband Thomas If the above couple are the ones you are seeking, they might well be buried together. I suggest that you contact the Northumberland Record Office and see if they can assist you. Cheers ------ Philip ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:34:14 +0100 From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda@terra.es> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Question To: "DUR-NBL Mailing List" <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <03b201c74157$701234b0$0301a8c0@portable> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Apologies if this message is received by you twice but I have had messages bouncing from the DUR-NBL list address over the past few days, even the Rootsweb help desk address bounced back at me. I am re-sending one or two messages to the list just in case they are of interest to anyone. Below is the text of one of these messages. Jenny DeAngelis. HI Sherry, I had a similar situation to Alison has in that one of my Gt. Grandmother married 3 times . She was born HETHERINGTON in Allendale Northumberland, married a CLEMENTSON and had 2 children by him, he died probably from lead poisoning as he was a lead miner. She then married another lead miner called STOBBS and had a further two children. Stobbs died and she married for the 3rd time to my Gt. Grandfather HIRST and they had just one child who was my grandmother. I have copies of all 3 marraige entries for my Gt. Grandmother each of which confirms it is the same person in each marriage. The birth certificate for my grandmother only shows her mother with the surname Hirst and not her former names, neither her married names nor maiden name. I only found out about her earlier marriages because I found her in the 1881 census with all 5 of her children, 2 Clementsons, 2 Stobbs as well as my grandma Hirst,living at West Hartlepool. I discovered this muddled family when I first began researching my family hisotry and being new to this hobby and not knowing anything about my family's past, I wondered what on earth was going on. So I traced those 4 earlier children back to their baptisms in Allendale and found the parents marriages and fathers deaths. Women left widowed with children would often re-marry fairly quickly, the need for someone to support her and her children often the most important reason for the re-marriage. If I were you I would try to find the mother in the census with her former husbands and also look to see if she has any children from that earlier marriage, as Alison says, she could have been married a further time so keep an eye open for children with yet another surname. Get copies of the marraige cert. for the marriage of Isabella Musgrove to Mr. Harrison, then the cert. for the marraige of Isabella Harrison to Mr. Perry. You don't give any sort of time frame for the birth certificate you have showing Isabella and her surnames, which makes it very difficult for the rest of us to be of much help. If you post a few dates and details of where you have Isabella born or living at any time it will help the rest of us to maybe pin her down if you need us to help in that way. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. Sherry wrote:- >> I ordered a birth certificate and for the mother this is stated for her >> name >> Isabella Perry >> late Harrison >> formerly Musgrove > Alison wrote in reply:- > This means that Isabella was born Isabella Musgrove then married Mr > Harrison and then married Mr Perry. > It could be that Mr Harrison died or they were divorced. > I have a birth certificate that states the mother was Mary Nicholson > formerly Elliott. However, I know for sure that she married a Mr Wright > before she married Mr Nicholson and she may also have married a Mr Jackson > before that! So beware that sometimes some of a woman's married names can > be missed off the certificate. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:39:32 +0100 From: "Jenny De Angelis" <jennyda@terra.es> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Birth certificate To: "DUR-NBL Mailing List" <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <03bd01c74157$cd629a60$0301a8c0@portable> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I am re-sending the message below to the list becaue it bounced back at me for some reason that I don't understand. Apologies if you have already seen this message. HI Joan, I think you might find it useful to read up on the subject of Civil Registration at the genuki pages for England www.genuki.org.uk This site is a very useful one for all things genealogical. To get a copy of the birth certificate of your Alexander Landles, you first need to find the Birth registration in the GRO Index. You can't just ask the GRO, General Register Office, at Southport or the local district registrars office to send you the birth certificate, you have to give them not only the year of the birth but also the Quarter of that year in which the birth took place. The years are split into the 4 quarter and these quarters go by the last month of each of them, e.g. March Qtr. June Qtr., September Qtr and December Qtr. The country is split into Registration Districts each District covering a wide area of towns and villages . Another thing to bear in mind is that birth places, and ages, in the census are very often not correct. Ages can be out by a year or two, or even more, the birth place might be the place where that person remembers living as a child but might not be where he had actually been born. I found,on FreeBMD; what must be your Alexander Landles birth in June Qtr of 1854 at Alnwick Registrars District with the reference volume 10b page258 FreeBMD is at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ With the Year, Quarter, District name, Volume and Page numbers, plus of course the name of the child, you can now order a copy of this entry from the GRO via their website. The GRO website is at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ go to the section on the right of this page entitled Research and look for Ordering Certificates Online. You just carefully fill in the boxes with the information, make sure you check the box asking whether or not you have the Reference for the entry. You can pay for your order with your credit card on line here, no extra charge for postage and no need for a SAE. For future reference. FreeBMD is a transcript of the GRO index and is as yet not quite a complete transcript so you may find another time that you cannot find the entry you seek on the site. In that case you can search the GRO index itself at the Ancestry website free of charge, you do not need to be a subscriber to Ancestry to access this one index. www.ancestry.co.uk look for the link to UK Births Marriages and Deaths records. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. > I have found my great Grandfather Alexander LANDLES born about 1854 on > the 1861 census born in place called Newton by the Sea Northumberland. > Which Registry Office should I send to for his birth certificate? > I know about the correct fee and to and to send a stamped addressed > envelope . I really need the nearest Registry Office. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 04:09:28 EST From: Stanmapstone@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Birth certificate To: joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au, DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <cab.94fbee8.32eb1f48@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" In a message dated 26/01/2007 03:29:41 GMT Standard Time, joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au writes: I really need the nearest Registry Office. _________________________________________________________ Why not order it online from http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ The birth was registered in the June ? 1854 GRO Ref. 10b 258. Regards Stan Mapstone ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:02:04 -0000 From: "joe" <j.pearson93@ntlworld.com> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Death's at sea To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002e01c7416b$b5abcdb0$9865fea9@family> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello all, Can some one help me, I'm looking for a death for a William John PRIDDY . How can i find his death if he was Marine Engineer (Sea-Going). He married Elizabeth Pearson in 1925 and i no his death was before 1937, because of his wife's death certificate says she was a widow. Thank you.............Joanne ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:45:17 -0000 From: "Judy Bleay" <judybleay@btinternet.com> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Parish Lists To: "DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb. com " <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000201c74182$81e1eed0$0301a8c0@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Dear Harry, many thanks for pointing out these map links, although I knew the maps were there I must admit I didn't realise that you could click on the parishes to get to the link with all the information on - thats very helpful Thanks Judy Bleay Cornwall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.10/651 - Release Date: 24 Jan 2007 18:48 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:30:27 -0000 From: "pentiscali" <threshold06@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] People who died overseas at war To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004601c74180$6f502090$0102a8c0@computername> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry if this is a bit of a thick question, but I haven't had to think about it before. My g uncle died in Gallipoli, would he still have an entry in the English death registers please? My husband said how on earth would they prove his estate without a death cert. I cant find him in there though. Thanks, pennie ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:54:52 EST From: Stanmapstone@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] People who died overseas at war To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ca9.8f3c95f.32ebc49c@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 26/01/2007 19:47:12 GMT Standard Time, threshold06@tiscali.co.uk writes: My g uncle died in Gallipoli, would he still have an entry in the English death registers please? _________________________________________________________________ Yes, they are listed separately in the 'Miscellaneous' indexes, at the end of a full set of GRO indexes. The amount of information, though, is less than on a normal certificate Regards Stan Mapstone ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:02:37 EST From: Stanmapstone@aol.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] People who died overseas at war To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d24.5e5324b.32ebc66d@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 26/01/2007 19:47:12 GMT Standard Time, threshold06@tiscali.co.uk writes: My g uncle died in Gallipoli, would he still have an entry in the English death registers please? ___________________________________________________________________________ Just to add that they are available through the ONS just like any other certificates, although I believe they do cost more. However, usually the Cause of Death is just Killed or Missing in action and the place of death is France; Belgium etc. Regards Stan Mapstone ------------------------------ To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 38 **************************************