In a message dated 03/01/2007 22:17:24 GMT Standard Time, eileen.sturt@tiscali.co.uk writes: The Lucy is not listed for the 1871 census so perhaps she went down, taking my g.g. grandfather with her? __________________________________________________________________________ In a speech at Newcastle-upon-Tyne in 1884 Joseph Chamberlain, President of the Board of Trade said: "We know that the miner's is a dangerous and perilous trade, but the loss of life has never been, even in the heaviest year, more than one in 315 of the persons employed. In the case of British shipping........ one in 60 of those engaged in it met with a violent death in a single year." In the 1860s the death rate among Merchant Seamen was higher than in the worst Victorian city. In 1867 one in 80 died of disease, one in 70 drowned, and one in 20 was invalided out. Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html