Ralph: The 1851 Census of St. George Hanover Square, District 7, p9, HO107/1475, 11 Gilbert St., shows the following family: Wm. Winter Head Mar 32 Tailor Journeyman Middlesex, St. Giles Mary Ann Winter Wife Mar 30 Middlesex, St. Marylebone Kate Winter Dau Unm 4 Middlesex, St. Georges Mark Winter Son Unm 1 Middlesex, St. Georges Hope this is helpful. Glenys -- Glenys Rasmussen http://www.quietAcre.com DFHS #14237 CFHS #15279