Hi again Nora Re the marriages you mentioned pre civil registration Using your names I found on the IGI NICHOLAS DAWSON Spouse: JANE RICHARDSON Family Marriage: 31 JUL 1826 Saint Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England M004352 1813 - 1837 0847911 Film 6905742 Film And WILLIAM AVERY Death: 07 MAR 1882 Spouse: ELIZABETH MC MULLEN Family Marriage: 31 OCT 1825 Of, , Northumberland, England Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter. The first shows as an extraction from the Parish Register so should be reasonably sound (but requires checking with the original) the second you will see is a Patron submission which *may* be based on fact but *may* be just passed down information or in some cases calculated from the age of the couple or one of their children, either way it needs very careful checking before accepting as fact I tend to have more faith with a date than I do when I see "about" so it looks more promising but you will need to find the Parish I am not sure how much you know of the workings of the IGI so won't go on but you will find an assortment of children to those marriages on there , if you don't know how just ask Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Since her parents, Margaret Dawson b 1829 and William Avery b 1826 both born in Longbenton (I believe), were born before national registration 1837, would there be birth certificates for them? I think I have seen a transcription of records from St. Bartholomew listing parents of Margaret Dawson as Nicholas Dawson and Jane Richardson, and parents of William Avery as William Avery and Elizabeth McMellon. But I have no bmd information on these four parents. Actually I don't think I have a marriage date for Margaret and William, either. Any help or direction in this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for helping a fellow researcher across the pond. Nora Avery Gainesville, Florida USA