Hi Lesley, I'll be interested to know if it is the right marriage of John William and Mary Jane Jackson. You'll have to let us all know when the certificate comes. I've had a search on Freebmd for John William's birth entry, but as you say, you've searched and sent for certificates that are not him. You've probably seen these ones. Births Dec 1864 Murphy John William S Shields 10a584 Births Jun 1865 Murphy John Sunderland 10a502 Births Dec 1865 Murphy John William Hartlepool 10a122 Births Dec 1865 Murphy William Sunderland 10a448 Don't let the one with just William put you off, because as I said before, they often changed their names around, or just used one of them. One of my ancestors was baptised Francis, but suddenly became George Francis later on, and signing his name as George, missing off the Francis altogether. Good luck with your searches. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: lesley To: Durham Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] John William Murphy To Jan Thank you I have already sent off for the Certificate so just to wait , I have yet to find his Birth , on his second marriage to Mary Ann Telford in 1909 , his age was 44 , that would make him born about 1865 , but three Certificates and many searches i have yet to find him , His Father James Murphy was a Merchant Seaman The same as him and the closes I have Found is a James Murphy born 1828 from Monkwearmouth Shore who had a son John 1857 Sunderland but no John William Murphy with father James who was a Merchant Seaman. Over a Year Later I,am Still looking , Some things take time Thanks to the 1911 Census whitch gave me a lot , john was missing there too His death in 1917 Poplar London was 52 unless I have missed something , Thanks agin Lesley ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ====