In a message dated 29/05/2009 19:41:51 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: published in ye church but John and ye bride ________________________________________________________________________ Hi Roy, I hope you don't mind me pointing out that the word should not be 'ye' but 'the.' þ, the now obsolete letter (known as 'thorn') was still used in this period to represent a 'th' sound. Most often it looks exactly like a y, and it is in this form that it is to this day misunderstood in countless establishments with names like 'ye olde tea shoppe'. When you see 'ye' you are looking at 'þe' and it should be trancscribed as 'the'. Similarly with 'yat' you are looking at 'þat' and should transcribe it as 'that', on the understanding that þ consistently represents 'th'. Stan Mapstone