Kevin, Try typing - division of Ireland - into a search engine and start reading the results' For starters >>The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 divided Ireland into two regions, the Irish Free State, given Commonwealth status and Northern Ireland which stayed part of the UK.<< Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mc Cormack Sent: 26 July 2010 11:31 To: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Arriving from Ireland I suggest some of you take a good look at British passports. >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it read ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Ireland was never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc. In the WWI conscription was obv. there for England , Scotland and Wales...... Ireland was very different. Nothing to do with passenger lists etc. but still. As for Irish records........it's a tad over used phrase stating the records aren't there. Civil registration , Parish records and a few other sources are there in abundance. The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't a clue where they came from...... it's like me coming to this list and saying my Gx3 is John Smith.....i haven't a clue where he's from but Im so frustrated that he can't be found. Censuses pre 1901 were destroyed......the British are to blame pre 1881......and a stray shot in the Civil war destroyed the rest. Anyway....that's my in put on the subject. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Kevin McCormack..... > >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it > >read > ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" > Ireland was never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc.> I suggest you Google on "Acts of Union 1800". From wikipedia..... "The Acts of Union 1800 (sometimes called the Acts of Union 1801) (Irish: Acht an "Aontais 1800) describe two complementary Acts[1], namely: * the Union with Ireland Act 1800 (1800 c.67 39 and 40 Geo 3), an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain, and * the Act of Union (Ireland) 1800 (1800 c.38 40 Geo 3), an Act of the Parliament of Ireland. "The Acts were passed on 2 July 1800 and 1 August 1800, respectively. "The twin Acts united the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland to "create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.[2][3] The union came into "effect on 1 January 1801. "Both Acts, though since amended, remain in force in the United Kingdom[4]. "In the Republic of Ireland the Union with Ireland Act 1800 (that passed in Great "Britain) was not finally repealed until the passing of the Republic of Ireland's Statute "Law Revision Act 1983.[5] The Act of Union (Ireland) 1800 (that passed in Ireland) "was repealed in 1962.[6]" It could scarcely be clearer! Wikipedia also gives some background..... Before these Acts, Ireland had been in personal union with England since 1541, when the Irish Parliament had passed the Crown of Ireland Act 1542, proclaiming King Henry VIII of England to be King of Ireland. Both Ireland and England had been in personal union with Scotland since the Union of the Crowns in 1603. In 1707, England and Scotland “ hitherto a personal union “ were united into a single kingdom; the Kingdom of Great Britain. The Kingdom of Ireland was left out. In July 1707, each House of the Parliament of Ireland passed a congratulatory address to Queen Anne, praying that "May God put it in your royal heart to add greater strength and lustre to your crown, by a still more comprehensive Union"[7]. The British government did not respond to this, and an equal union between Great Britain and Ireland was not considered until the 1790s. When the union was finally passed in 1800, the British drove the process. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

>From Kevin McCormack... >The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't a >clue where they came from...... < I would have said the biggest problem with Irish records is the secrecy of the Catholic Church which seems to guard its records jealously, even where they do exist (and not just in Ireland, either). A few years ago, if I rightly recall, they set up something called Heritage Centres which were supposed to hold parish records and provide opportunities for employment for unemployed youths and girls. You had to go through these centres and get them to look for the records. Of course, most of these kids didn't have a clue what they were doing, so it was pretty pointless contacting them! Perhaps you know differently? I must confess, I am glad I have no Irish ancestry apart from the fact that my mother was born in Dublin - but that was a pure fluke of birth because her parents happened to be living there at the time. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE