On 22/03/2011, at 6:01 PM, dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to > DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FENWICK in Morpeth? (gen listlass) > 2. Re: FENWICK in Morpeth? (gen listlass) > > From: gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> > Date: 21 March 2011 9:20:52 PM > To: DUR-NBL list <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > > > > Hello Michaela > I checked the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) > for a marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. > There were none in any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton > Toll, Gretna Hall etc). > The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK Thomas > JOHNSON Martha > both of Chester le Street Co Durham > Only the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick > was a common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann > Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in > the N. E. > > Gen in NBL England > From: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100 > > > > Hi, Thanks for your information, this seems to be a bit of a brick > wall! I had the 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that > gave me the birth places. I think I will have to order the most > likely death certificates and see if that gives me anything that > narrows down the birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple > comes from Anne’s birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea > where the family may have originated. I managed to trace Robert > (brother from the census below) in later census records and after he > was widowed with small children in 1861 census he seems to have > moved to Yorkshire by 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has > any significance? Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM > To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for > the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the > 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate > Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 > Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert > Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne > Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: > Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: > Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: > 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born > in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on > the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the > Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages > 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non- > Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E > to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non- > Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they > could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name > and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. > Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border > marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels > especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at > Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you > like. Gen in NBL, UK > > > > From: gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> > Date: 21 March 2011 9:34:08 PM > To: <michaela1@netspace.net.au>, DUR-NBL mailing list <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > > > > So back to the previous suggestion of ALL the non-Con chapels in > Newcastle. > See http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html > > > Gen in NBL England > > From: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:26:11 +1100 > > > > > > Hi, Thanks again for your efforts, I agree that this one doesn’t > really fit as it is probably a bit late anyway given the older > children mentioned in the 1841 (although they could of course have > been from a previous marriage!). Thanks Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 9:21 PM > To: DUR-NBL list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hello Michaela I checked > the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) for a > marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. There were none in > any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton Toll, Gretna Hall > etc). The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK > Thomas > JOHNSON Martha both of Chester le Street Co Durham Only > the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick was a > common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann > Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in > the N. E. Gen in NBL EnglandFrom: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100Hi, Thanks for your > information, this seems to be a bit of a brick wall! I had the > 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that gave me the birth > places. I think I will have to order the most likely death > certificates and see if that gives me anything that narrows down the > birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple comes from Anne’s > birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea where the family > may have originated. I managed to trace Robert (brother from the > census below) in later census records and after he was widowed with > small children in 1861 census he seems to have moved to Yorkshire by > 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has any significance? > Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM > To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for > the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the > 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate > Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 > Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert > Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne > Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: > Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: > Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: > 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born > in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on > the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the > Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages > 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non- > Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E > to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non- > Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they > could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name > and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. > Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border > marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels > especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at > Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you > like. Gen in NBL, UK > > > To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. joan armstrong joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au