My thanks to all of you who responded to my request about this family, I think we can agree that John Wade was 29 when he and his mates were capsized out of a boat taking to and fro on the Tyne whilst fitting out the East indiaman, Havering. What a tragic end. i found out he existed a few weeks ago when someone on this post sent me a copy of Raffle tombstone from Harton, or was it Westoe. The discovery of the Raffle memorial was one of those Eureka moments for me! I usually write to say thankyou but I can't find this message, so perhaps I forgot to do this. Anyway, thank you for the photo of the tombstone, and where did you find it and are there any more of them? Does anyone know when the Adam and Eve pub was built? Margaret Raffle was publican in the 1850s, but it is possible that the present building postdates her time there. I also found Margaret's web site very interesting. Some good leads there! Ann Lavery -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-request <dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com> To: dur-nbl <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 3:10 Subject: DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 33 Administrivia: To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as Parish Registers? (Roy Stockdill) 2. Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as Parish Registers? (Margaret Hall) Attached Message From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same asParish Registers? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:47:38 -0000 On 9 Mar 2011 at 2:46, gen listlass wrote: > > I have come across lots of instances in Christ Church, Tynemouth > > where the Parish Register & the Bishops Transcripts do not agree > > with each other. > > > > Margaret Hall > > Wallsend > > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > This is interesting Margaret. It's something I hadn't realised! > However sometimes the Bishops Transcripts are the only information > left available if the parish registers are lost or missing. Gen in NBL > UK > I rather thought it was widely known that the parish registers and bishop's transcripts don't always agree with one another - which is why it's always best to search both, if possible. The reasons why there may be discrepancies are obvious: the PRs and the BTs may not have been written at the same time or even by the same person. Many vicars were of a "bolshy" turn of mind and resented anything that involved them in extra work, so they might leave the writing up of the BTs to the last minute and then rush through them, copying out details from the registers and making mistakes. Or they may have had a curate or clerk write them up and if he had difficulty with the vicar's writing - well ! The reason why the BTs sometimes survive for periods where the registers have gone is because while the registers remained in the church (and got lost, burnt, eaten by mice, etc), the BTs had to go to the diocesan office for safe keeping and in most cases this became the county record office, so their survival rate is often greater for some parishes than the registers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Attached Message From: Margaret Hall <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: 'r.smith45' <r.smith45@ntlworld.com>; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as ParishRegisters? Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:53:41 -0000 I looked for this death in the Parish Register today and can confirm the age at death was 29yrs; the burial was by coroners warrant. It was the transcription that was wrong. All I can say is I am glad the transcription wasn't one of mine. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: r.smith45 [mailto:r.smith45@ntlworld.com] Sent: 08 March 2011 20:13 To: Margaret Hall; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com; Ann Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Hi Margaret, This is strange. I looked at the Bishop's Transcript images on familysearch site for St. Hilda's and it clearly says that John was aged 29, same burial date. A big difference in the age!!! Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hall" <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps > > St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields > 18th April 1849 > WADE John > Aged 54 > By coroners warrant > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > > > To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

Hello Ann, I wrote to the Local Studies Librarian in South Shields Library and this is her reply unfortunately the present Adam & Eve pub does post date 1850. For anyone with South Shields connections take a look at the old photos on the website you may find a building or street connected to your family names. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello Margaret Apparently the pub is still there and as far as we are aware it is still open. It is at Laygate. There is a photograph of the pub as it was on our website: www.southtynesideimages.org.uk Hope this helps, and that you are well. Kind regards Anne Local Studies Librarian -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Hall [mailto:mgt.hall.17@gmail.com] Sent: 11 March 2011 09:36 To: Anne Sharp Subject: Adam & Eve public house Hi Anne, There has been some correspondence on a mailing list recently and this came in from the original poster this morning. Have you any idea where the Adam & Eve pub she mentions is or was please? Margaret. -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 11 March 2011 07:52 To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] John wade and the Raffle family. My thanks to all of you who responded to my request about this family, I think we can agree that John Wade was 29 when he and his mates were capsized out of a boat taking to and fro on the Tyne whilst fitting out the East indiaman, Havering. What a tragic end. i found out he existed a few weeks ago when someone on this post sent me a copy of Raffle tombstone from Harton, or was it Westoe. The discovery of the Raffle memorial was one of those Eureka moments for me! I usually write to say thankyou but I can't find this message, so perhaps I forgot to do this. Anyway, thank you for the photo of the tombstone, and where did you find it and are there any more of them? Does anyone know when the Adam and Eve pub was built? Margaret Raffle was publican in the 1850s, but it is possible that the present building postdates her time there. I also found Margaret's web site very interesting. Some good leads there! Ann Lavery