So back to the previous suggestion of ALL the non-Con chapels in Newcastle. See http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html Gen in NBL England From: michaela1@netspace.net.au To: genlistlass@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:26:11 +1100 Hi, Thanks again for your efforts, I agree that this one doesn’t really fit as it is probably a bit late anyway given the older children mentioned in the 1841 (although they could of course have been from a previous marriage!). Thanks Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 9:21 PM To: DUR-NBL list Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hello Michaela I checked the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) for a marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. There were none in any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton Toll, Gretna Hall etc). The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK Thomas JOHNSON Martha both of Chester le Street Co Durham Only the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick was a common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in the N. E. Gen in NBL EnglandFrom: michaela1@netspace.net.au To: genlistlass@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100Hi, Thanks for your information, this seems to be a bit of a brick wall! I had the 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that gave me the birth places. I think I will have to order the most likely death certificates and see if that gives me anything that narrows down the birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple comes from Anne’s birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea where the family may have originated. I managed to trace Robert (brother from the census below) in later census records and after he was widowed with small children in 1861 census he seems to have moved to Yorkshire by 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has any significance? Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non-Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non-Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you like. Gen in NBL, UK