Kevin, Try typing - division of Ireland - into a search engine and start reading the results' For starters >>The Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921 divided Ireland into two regions, the Irish Free State, given Commonwealth status and Northern Ireland which stayed part of the UK.<< Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Mc Cormack Sent: 26 July 2010 11:31 To: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Arriving from Ireland I suggest some of you take a good look at British passports. >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it read ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Ireland was never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc. In the WWI conscription was obv. there for England , Scotland and Wales...... Ireland was very different. Nothing to do with passenger lists etc. but still. As for Irish records........it's a tad over used phrase stating the records aren't there. Civil registration , Parish records and a few other sources are there in abundance. The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't a clue where they came from...... it's like me coming to this list and saying my Gx3 is John Smith.....i haven't a clue where he's from but Im so frustrated that he can't be found. Censuses pre 1901 were destroyed......the British are to blame pre 1881......and a stray shot in the Civil war destroyed the rest. Anyway....that's my in put on the subject. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suggest some of you take a good look at British passports. >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it read ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Ireland was never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc. In the WWI conscription was obv. there for England , Scotland and Wales...... Ireland was very different. Nothing to do with passenger lists etc. but still. As for Irish records........it's a tad over used phrase stating the records aren't there. Civil registration , Parish records and a few other sources are there in abundance. The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't a clue where they came from...... it's like me coming to this list and saying my Gx3 is John Smith.....i haven't a clue where he's from but Im so frustrated that he can't be found. Censuses pre 1901 were destroyed......the British are to blame pre 1881......and a stray shot in the Civil war destroyed the rest. Anyway....that's my in put on the subject. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Maybe I shall make you all envious with my luck! And the totally unexpected kindness and friendliness of the Irish people. I knew from family stories that my g grandmother (on the maternal line all the way) was Elizabeth nee Johnson born in Ireland. (About 1858-1860 though I did not know that then.) And so it was on all the censuses apart from one where she said - or someone said - she was born Scotland. They did indeed go there, her family - she and the next in the family were born Ireland, then a boy in Scotland (Dumfries on one census but not found on Scotlands people) and then a lot ion the Spennymoor region. Anyway, I shuddered when I thought about it. But when Mum died, I went through a box of things she had saved including from her mother - and there was a baptismal cert for g gran - Aghalie Intrim! I figured with the help of googlemaps etc it was probably meant to be Aghalee Antrim - and so it proved. I paid an Irish researcher to dig some things out for me - found the families, unmarried gg grandparents that is, Mary Wray (from getting the birth cert of one of the later children in England, which gave her maiden name) and George Johnson, on the remnant of the 1851 census - that was here (Melbourne Australia) on a computer at the local genie library. Second cousin (living in Brisbane but came herself in 1968 from England - whereas Mum came 1924 aged 4) and I travelled together to England and then a short visit over to Ireland - having contacted the vicar at Aghalee church first. We were met by one of the wardens, given copies of all the church records pertaining to the families, found they had done some further digging for us at the husband George's neighbouring parish and apologized profusely for not turning up a living relative either - driven about the area, taken to the likely farm where the Wrays worked, almost across the road from the church - taken to the Northern Irish PRO and the local Ordnance survey office in Belfast suburbs - and then to a sort of living museum (Ulster transport museum) where they bought up the old Irish houses and re built them, setting them up with old varieties of animals and hens and... even had people doing flax spinning, with looms set up - just as the Johnsons did! We also went past the 5 (Irish) acres that the Johnsons farmed and supported about ten people from! Now, it was just land with a few cows on, no house or even a barn. A wonderful trip - the $100Aust (about, now, £60) I spent on that Irish researcher was money extremely well spent - she even recommended the ideal place for us to stay! A friend with the same sort of dilemma but without that baptismal cert I had - tried the same researcher but was told, honestly and kindly, she would be wasting her money looking for a needle in a haystack unless she could find something to narrow the search. So - if you can find something a bit more definitive than Ireland, I would try spending some money. I don't have much, but it changed my attitude - I buy certs and things much more readily now and have never regretted it. In the Irish case, I knew the trip to Ireland and accommodation would be wasted money if I did not know where g gran came from. Just a thought - and a bit of a gloat - Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Quineys Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 12:18 AM To: topoisomer@yahoo.com Cc: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] arriving from Ireland Hi Jack I have no knowledge of tracing Irish roots but there are 200 Rootsweb mailing lists devoted to the region (and surname in some instances). __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5311 (20100725) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

On 25 Jul 2010 at 21:41, Boris Atterby wrote: > Hi Roy, > Firstly wow! On the banks of the Tyne you couldn't have two greater > names, FENWICK from the department store and ARMSTRONG from the > famous arms factory do you think he was connected to either? regards, > Boris. > No that I've found so far, Boris, but you never know. I'm afraid I'm not too familiar with Fenwick's department store and Armstrong's arms factory, so perhaps you could give me some details? Alexander Armstrong's paternal grandfather, Reginald Armstrong, was a doctor and a GP and his wife, Phyllis Alison Fenwick, was the daughter of James Charles Fenwick and his wife Margaret Beatrice (formerly Wilson) of Embleton Hall, Long Framlington, Northumberland (marriage announcement in The Times, Aug 4 1931). Long Framlington is near Rothbury, I believe. However, James Charles Fenwick was born at Marylebone, London, in 1873. Maybe there was a family member who had something to do with the department store? His wife Margaret Beatrice came from Woodhorn, Northumberland., and they married in London in 1898 at St George's Hanover Square, a church much favoured by the upper classes. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Jane You are out of luck unfortunately For more on the passenger lists see :- http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=106 The incoming passenger lists to the UK on Ancestry are 1878 to 1960 There are some earlier ones but covering Aliens Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Greetings from the HOT & Sunny South (USA) > > My ggg grandfather came to US in 1830 and by 1837 was back in Great > Britain. Would the Passenger Lists mentioned in the query 'arriving from > Ireland' include information on his arrival? Is this to be found on > Ancestry.com - if not where? Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly > appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. > > Jane Brankstone Thomas

As promised in earlier messages, I have been looking into the ancestry of ALEXANDER ARMSTRONG, comedian, actor and TV presenter who is soon to be a forthcoming subject of the 8th series of Who Do You Think You Are? As I have pointed out, there is no intrusion into privacy of a living person since he has clearly co- operated with the programme which will be seen on prime-time television by millions of people and I imagine that his family history will be spelt out. He has an interesting pedigree - virtually almost entirely middle to upper class and including some very interesting and obviously wealthy, land-owning Anglo-Irish families. Here are some of his ancestors..... A paternal great-grandfather JAMES CHARLES FENWICK, b circa 1873, of Embleton Hall, Long Framlington, near Rothbury, and his wife, MARGARET BEATRICE WILSON. A maternal great-grandfather, SIR JOHN PERRONET THOMPSON, a knight of the realm, leading light in the Indian Civil Service and Commisioner of Delhi, born in Leeds 1873. Another maternal gt-grandfather, MAURICE MARCUS McCAUSLAND, landowner and Justice of the Peace in Ireland but born in London 1872. Grandfather REGINALD ARMSTRONG, medical practitioner, born c1897 in Newcastle. Grandfather LUCIUS PERRONET THOMPSON, born 1904, a banker and economist and adviser to the Bank of England. All of the above are long deceased, so are entititled to be written about. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Roy, Firstly wow! On the banks of the Tyne you couldn't have two greater names, FENWICK from the department store and ARMSTRONG from the famous arms factory do you think he was connected to either? regards, Boris. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I never was in a gang of thieves; I never was guilty of any such thing in my life.' JAMES ATTERBY 29th April 1778, The Old Bailey. ----- Original Message ---- From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 25 July, 2010 22:04:08 Subject: [DUR-NBL] Ancestry of Alexander Armstrong & Who Do You Think You Are? As promised in earlier messages, I have been looking into the ancestry of ALEXANDER ARMSTRONG, comedian, actor and TV presenter who is soon to be a forthcoming subject of the 8th series of Who Do You Think You Are? As I have pointed out, there is no intrusion into privacy of a living person since he has clearly co- operated with the programme which will be seen on prime-time television by millions of people and I imagine that his family history will be spelt out. He has an interesting pedigree - virtually almost entirely middle to upper class and including some very interesting and obviously wealthy, land-owning Anglo-Irish families. Here are some of his ancestors..... A paternal great-grandfather JAMES CHARLES FENWICK, b circa 1873, of Embleton Hall, Long Framlington, near Rothbury, and his wife, MARGARET BEATRICE WILSON. A maternal great-grandfather, SIR JOHN PERRONET THOMPSON, a knight of the realm, leading light in the Indian Civil Service and Commisioner of Delhi, born in Leeds 1873. Another maternal gt-grandfather, MAURICE MARCUS McCAUSLAND, landowner and Justice of the Peace in Ireland but born in London 1872. Grandfather REGINALD ARMSTRONG, medical practitioner, born c1897 in Newcastle. Grandfather LUCIUS PERRONET THOMPSON, born 1904, a banker and economist and adviser to the Bank of England. All of the above are long deceased, so are entititled to be written about. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings from the HOT & Sunny South (USA) My ggg grandfather came to US in 1830 and by 1837 was back in Great Britain. Would the Passenger Lists mentioned in the query 'arriving from Ireland' include information on his arrival? Is this to be found on Ancestry.com - if not where? Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Jane Brankstone Thomas

Hi Jack I have no knowledge of tracing Irish roots but there are 200 Rootsweb mailing lists devoted to the region (and surname in some instances). Start with http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Type Ireland in the bottom box (Find a mailing list) And take your pick! As you don't know your ancestors county of origin, may I suggest you start with one of the more general ones? Ireland-Roots, IrishGenes or CMC ("A mailing list for sharing christening, marriage and cemetery records for Ireland (both the Republic and Northern Ireland)"), Shamrock ("A mailing list for those doing genealogical research in all of the counties of Ireland (north and south) at any time"). I'm sure that talking to others who are also working with the limited Irish records will prove fruitful. Heather topoisomer@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records office), and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining searches does seem to help. > > Two Questions really, one academic and one general: > > Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or documented in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting time that could be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland and suspected parishes the best way for more information) > > Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? > > If anyone has access to any esoteric databases: > > Martin Cahill b 1819-21 Married in Ireland before arriving in NE > Sylvester Dolan b ~1856 Trained as a teacher in Ireland before coming over to work as a coal worker > > I managed to use the Passenger lists to great advantage for my paternal side, but appears to be proving fruitless for maternal side. > > Many thanks > > Jack > (thinking of renaming saturday and sunday Family History Day1 and Day2! :-) > >

On 25 Jul 2010 at 5:58, topoisomer@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records > office), and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining > searches does seem to help. > > Two Questions really, one academic and one general: > > Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or > documented in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting > time that could be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland > and suspected parishes the best way for more information) > > Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the > Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? > This is a very familiar query that some of us have answered many times. FACT: Just because there was water, in the form of the Irish Sea, between Ireland and England, it doesn't mean that there was any recording or registration of immigrants from Ireland. Ireland was, in effect, the same country as England until 1922. Therefore, taking a boat from Ireland to England was no different whatsoever from, say, catching a train from London to Liverpool - and they didn't record train passengers in those days, any more than they do now. One of the best ways in which to find Irish people is in the censuses from 1841-1911, i.e. enter the country of birth as Ireland. Unfortunately, very often it will not tell you WHERE in Ireland someone came from. Many enumerators didn't much care, so they simply put "Ireland" as the birth place. I'm afraid you have to accept that record-keeping was often loose and unregimented and not at all as detailed as in the way it is today. Try ridding yourself of a modern mindset! I am afraid Irish research is difficult, though not impossible. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Hi Jack, I have a lot of links to Irish websites on my website; I have no idea how useful they could be as they were all recommended to me. I do have Irish ancestry but trying to trace Michael Murphy born somewhere in Ireland is a no hoper. There are Irish records on the Search Labs site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/ Click onto browse our record collections Click onto Europe Scroll down to Ireland Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of topoisomer@yahoo.com Sent: 25 July 2010 13:58 To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] arriving from Ireland Hi All, Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records office), and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining searches does seem to help. Two Questions really, one academic and one general: Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or documented in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting time that could be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland and suspected parishes the best way for more information) Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? If anyone has access to any esoteric databases: Martin Cahill b 1819-21 Married in Ireland before arriving in NE Sylvester Dolan b ~1856 Trained as a teacher in Ireland before coming over to work as a coal worker I managed to use the Passenger lists to great advantage for my paternal side, but appears to be proving fruitless for maternal side. Many thanks Jack (thinking of renaming saturday and sunday Family History Day1 and Day2! :-)

Ireland did not become an independent country until 1922. Until then the whole island of Ireland formed a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Stan Mapstone On 25 July 2010 14:02, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > There were no immigrants from Ireland. Ireland was part of Great Britain so > people were just moving from one part of the country to another. > > Stan Mapstone > > > On 25 July 2010 13:58, <topoisomer@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records office), >> and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining searches does >> seem to help. >> >> Two Questions really, one academic and one general: >> >> Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or documented >> in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting time that could >> be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland and suspected parishes >> the best way for more information) >> >> Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the >> Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? >> >> If anyone has access to any esoteric databases: >> >> Martin Cahill b 1819-21 Married in Ireland before arriving in NE >> Sylvester Dolan b ~1856 Trained as a teacher in Ireland before coming over >> to work as a coal worker >> >> I managed to use the Passenger lists to great advantage for my paternal >> side, but appears to be proving fruitless for maternal side. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Jack >> (thinking of renaming saturday and sunday Family History Day1 and Day2! >> :-) >> >> >> >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

There were no immigrants from Ireland. Ireland was part of Great Britain so people were just moving from one part of the country to another. Stan Mapstone On 25 July 2010 13:58, <topoisomer@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records office), and > have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining searches does seem > to help. > > Two Questions really, one academic and one general: > > Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or documented > in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting time that could > be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland and suspected parishes > the best way for more information) > > Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the > Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? > > If anyone has access to any esoteric databases: > > Martin Cahill b 1819-21 Married in Ireland before arriving in NE > Sylvester Dolan b ~1856 Trained as a teacher in Ireland before coming over > to work as a coal worker > > I managed to use the Passenger lists to great advantage for my paternal > side, but appears to be proving fruitless for maternal side. > > Many thanks > > Jack > (thinking of renaming saturday and sunday Family History Day1 and Day2! :-) > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Many thanks for some excellent tips, opening new avenues to explore. Roy is exactly right, the Census records for all my dead ends just say Ireland.  However one of the links from Margaret's website, has found me a another potential irish family member, born in the same year with a mother with a family name that has been past down through 4 generations of the female line.  A few more confirmatory records and i might consider it "inked" rather than pencilled in. So a successful weekend!  Many thanks to all the list members for all their posts, it's really awesome to have so many people on the list who help.  Sometimes its the simple things, when we can't see the wood for the trees, and a fresh pair of eyes will sort it out. We so often post queries and requests I thought I would share a success story, just to remind us that a single potential lead CAN open the door to another quest! I posted recently about Martin Cahill in Sunderland, the Burial records indicated where he died, a Little Sisters of the Poor nursing home. I headed down to take some photos (The new foundation stone was lain 1900 so i guess the current building was built after the one my relative died in)  They had a web presence, so I emailed a Sister of the Order asking if they had any records of his stay in 1890s.  I don't know what I was hoping they would have one him, but the first working day after I emailed.  I got a reply. I got his "precise" (ie what he thought was) DOB, his date of entry to the nursing home, his place of birth (yup, Ireland!) his wife's maiden name, and his father's first name.  >From Martin's age, it would put his father's year of birth probably in the 1700s, which for a novice like me I feel is a great landmark. Some of the names in this tree were recalled by my late grandmother, and had been passed down verbally from her relatives, so I know the stories, nicknames, hobbies about them even if I don't know their exact DOBs and parish of marriage etc etc. Special thanks to Philip Phipps and Margaret Hall for their help in building this success story, and building up sets of leads. Kind regards to all Jack --- On Sun, 25/7/10, Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] arriving from Ireland > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 25 July, 2010, 14:50 > On 25 Jul 2010 at 5:58, topoisomer@yahoo.com > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of > records > > office), and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger > Lists and refining > > searches does seem to help. > > > > Two Questions really, one academic and one general: > > > > Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be > registered or > > documented in some manner that is net accessible or am > I just wasting > > time that could be spent on other branches?  (Or > is a trip to Ireland > > and suspected parishes the best way for more > information) > > > > Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish > settlers in the > > Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? > > > This is a very familiar query that some of us have answered > many times. > > FACT: Just because there was water, in the form of the > Irish Sea, between Ireland > and England, it doesn't mean that there was any recording > or registration of > immigrants from Ireland. Ireland was, in effect, the same > country as England until > 1922. Therefore, taking a boat from Ireland to England was > no different whatsoever > from, say, catching a train from London to Liverpool - and > they didn't record train > passengers in those days, any more than they do now. > > One of the best ways in which to find Irish people is in > the censuses from 1841-1911, > i.e. enter the country of birth as Ireland. Unfortunately, > very often it will not tell you > WHERE in Ireland someone came from. Many enumerators didn't > much care, so they > simply put "Ireland" as the birth place. > > I'm afraid you have to accept that record-keeping was often > loose and unregimented > and not at all as detailed as in the way it is today. Try > ridding yourself of a modern > mindset! I am afraid Irish research is difficult, though > not impossible. > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being > talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >  > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

On 24 Jul 2010 at 16:17, dbarron@toucansurf.com wrote: > Hello All, > As a young lad, many moons ago, I was told that to be a Geordie you > had to be born within one mile of the River Tyne, both North and South > sides and no further West than just after Newcastle. However I think > you will find that everyone in the area has a different view on where > the term originates. The most likely meaning is 'Geordies men' > supporters of King George. Dave (born within a couple of hundred yards > (old fashioned metres) of the Tyne in North Shields) > > > > Two theories why they are called Geordies > > > > One theory is that the name was taken from George (Geordie) > > Stephenson, the mining and railway engineer who hailed from the > > north-east, when the miners adopted his safety lamp rather than the > > one invented by Sir Humphrey Davy. > > > > Another is that it derives from a term of abuse coined by the > > Scottish > > Jacobites in the 1745 Rebellion because of the defending of the town > > of Newcastle against them by supporters of King George (Geordie) II. > > > > > > The second theory is more plausible because the term Geordie is > > properly used for natives of Newcastle only. Others originating > > from the north-east are Tynesiders (from the towns along the Tyne, > > Northumbrians, Durhamites (Dunelmians) or Makems (from Sunderland). > > Stephenson, born in Wylam, Northumberland, was not a Geordie except > > as a corruption of his Christian name. > > Many thanks for the various theories propagated as to what comprises a Geordie! It has been very interesting, even if we don't seem to be any nearer a general agreement. The consensus that to be a proper Geordie you have to be born within proximity of the Tyne would seem to rule out my GIBSON ancestors from Shilbottle and my POTTS family from Rothbury, however. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Many thanks for the replies. I confess I did not make myself clear so my fault. I looked up this address on Google maps and walked down the street too - which was interesting to see where my father had walked 70 years ago. I had hoped someone could tell me how to get a photograph of the house as it was 70 years ago, as in who to contact. the connection between this list and that of the address is my father was born here but was evacuated to there. As this list is so knowledgeable and I am not connected to a Bedfordshire list I thought I might get help from this list. If I have asked on the wrong list my apologies. Thanks E. www.eyshasfineart.co.uk "Never live life faster than your Guardian Angel can fly."

Sorry, after a closer look 134 is no longer there, there are new houses on the site, 133 and 135 are still there on the opposite side of the street. Stan Mapstone On 25 July 2010 08:37, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > Put 134,Hitchin Street Biggleswade into google then click Maps. This will > give you an areal view of the street, you can then zoom in and go to street > view where you can see the house. If you have any difficulty I can send you > a copy > > Stan Mapstone > > On 24 July 2010 21:57, eyshasfineart4me <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > >> Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me please. >> Today I received my dad's identity card and it shows where he was >> evacuated >> too, which was 134,Hitchin Street Biggleswade Beds. it's on the card. >> My question is, is there anyway I can get a photo of the house in which he >> stayed? >> The reason is I would like to give a copy of it to my mother - my dad died >> in 1981 aged only 54. >> Today is his 83rd birthday. >> Thanks in advance for any help as to how to get a photo of this house. >> E. >> >> www.eyshasfineart.co.uk >> "Never live life faster than your Guardian Angel can fly." >> >> >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Put 134,Hitchin Street Biggleswade into google then click Maps. This will give you an areal view of the street, you can then zoom in and go to street view where you can see the house. If you have any difficulty I can send you a copy Stan Mapstone On 24 July 2010 21:57, eyshasfineart4me <eyshasfineart@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me please. > Today I received my dad's identity card and it shows where he was evacuated > too, which was 134,Hitchin Street Biggleswade Beds. it's on the card. > My question is, is there anyway I can get a photo of the house in which he > stayed? > The reason is I would like to give a copy of it to my mother - my dad died > in 1981 aged only 54. > Today is his 83rd birthday. > Thanks in advance for any help as to how to get a photo of this house. > E. > > www.eyshasfineart.co.uk > "Never live life faster than your Guardian Angel can fly." > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was born in Newcastle, went to sea in 1952 and now live in Buckunghamshire, I remember the expression "mackem and tackem lads". I also remember their foot coverings referred to as "Tackety Boots" John Robson ----- Original Message ----- From: "BrianGenealogy" <genealogy@leggtronix.e7even.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Geordies - a good source of well explained >I agree Stan. I left in Durham/Newcastle in 1965 and never heard of > "Mackem". > > Cheers - Brian LEGG in Coventry, UK ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi All, Have hit more Irish dead ends (with the destruction of records office), and have tried Ancestry Incoming Passenger Lists and refining searches does seem to help. Two Questions really, one academic and one general: Would all immigrants from Ireland in the 1800s be registered or documented in some manner that is net accessible or am I just wasting time that could be spent on other branches? (Or is a trip to Ireland and suspected parishes the best way for more information) Any other tips for finding lists/information of irish settlers in the Durham/Gateshead/Northeast? If anyone has access to any esoteric databases: Martin Cahill b 1819-21 Married in Ireland before arriving in NE Sylvester Dolan b ~1856 Trained as a teacher in Ireland before coming over to work as a coal worker I managed to use the Passenger lists to great advantage for my paternal side, but appears to be proving fruitless for maternal side. Many thanks Jack (thinking of renaming saturday and sunday Family History Day1 and Day2! :-)