Just wondering, as there seem to be quite a few people on this site at the moment, if anyone has HUME or HUMES in their research. Would be grateful for any information regards John Hume

Dear Doreen, The diocese of Cloyne were very fussy regarding viewing of records........ thankfully this practice came to an end......I d say shortly after your visit. regards. > From: doreenlambert@btopenworld.com > To: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:30:11 +0100 > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Arriving from Ireland > > My husband was on business in Dublin for a week last year so I joined him > with a view to looking at the Irish part of my family tree, gt, gt > grandparents who moved to the North East in 1845. I had the county and even > the town from word of mouth. > > I went to the The National Library of Ireland in Kildare Street, Dublin. > > To look at the Parish Records you must have permission from the bishop of > that diocese. That was straightforward, just ringing his secretary and they > faxed authorisation direct to the Library. I searched the records for Cobh, > Cork but no trace of my family. > > I talked to a very helpful man in the library and he told me that when they > were asked where they'd came from in Ireland, many gave the port of > departure which in most cases was Queenstown (there is a wonderful museum > there), now Cobh, Cork). > > Kevin is right. There are lots of parish records there, but not many public > records. > > Doreen Lambert > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Kevin, At the risk of being called "pernickertty", whether you agree with him or not, his name is ROY (not Ray). As he says, "... back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy". PLEASE! Heather Kevin Mc Cormack wrote: > Dear Ray, Groan............. Your pernicketty comments are about as worth while as your knowledge of Irish research. > > <snip> > > Now back to Durham and Northumberland....... perhaps we could find Ray's lot for him and establish who are and aren't his around the Rothbury area. > > <snip> > > > Remember Ray...... try to keep the blood pressure down. ;-) > > > That's my last comment on the subject........ this is becoming the "Ray show" > > > > ps if you need look ups in NBL/DUR Ray just ask..... there's plenty of us willing to help....as it showed last week. > > >> Now, back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy..... >> >> -- >> Roy Stockdill >>

On 26 Jul 2010 at 15:17, KELVIN Mc Cormack wrote: > Now back to Durham and Northumberland....... perhaps we could find > Ray's lot for him and establish who are and aren't his around the > Rothbury area. > Actually, I know exactly who they were. As I have previously posted, they were DAVID POTTS and his wife RACHEL CRAMER, who married at Alnwick in 1816. They were my 3x-great-grandparents. David was a baker in Rothbury High Street for many years and died in 1875. He was baptised in 1794 as POTTS or BURN, since his parents JOHN POTTS and ISABEL BURN, didn't marry until 1795 at Morpeth. I have got Potts back to a George POTTS, my sixth-great-grandfather, born at Flotterton about 1690, and I have got Rachel Cramer's ancestors back to Holy Island in the 1690s. None of them, as far as I have yet discovered, came from Newcastle, which is why I asked whether they could rightly be called Geordies or not. The consensus seemed to be not. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

My husband was on business in Dublin for a week last year so I joined him with a view to looking at the Irish part of my family tree, gt, gt grandparents who moved to the North East in 1845. I had the county and even the town from word of mouth. I went to the The National Library of Ireland in Kildare Street, Dublin. To look at the Parish Records you must have permission from the bishop of that diocese. That was straightforward, just ringing his secretary and they faxed authorisation direct to the Library. I searched the records for Cobh, Cork but no trace of my family. I talked to a very helpful man in the library and he told me that when they were asked where they'd came from in Ireland, many gave the port of departure which in most cases was Queenstown (there is a wonderful museum there), now Cobh, Cork). Kevin is right. There are lots of parish records there, but not many public records. Doreen Lambert

Funny, the odd and curious little things one comes across when researching! In my delving into the ancestry of the comedian/presenter Alexander Armstrong, who is to be featured in a forthcoming episode of Who Do You Think You Are? I discovered that his paternal grandmother was a Fenwick from the Fenwicks of Embleton Hall, Longframlington, which property came into the family in 1780. One of his middle names is Fenwick. Today Embleton Hall is a country house hotel and, according to the hotel's website, some of the 13 bedrooms are named after Fenwick children - "Miss May, Miss Phyllis and so on..." Alexander Armstrong's grandmother was Phyllis Alison Fenwick (1910-1998) and she, according to an announcement in The Times, was living at Embleton Hall with her parents, James and Margaret Fenwick, when she married Reginald Armstrong, Alexander's grandfather, in 1932. Reginald died in 1991. So having seen the programme when it is eventually shown, you can go and spend a night in Alexander Armstrong's granny's old bedroom that she had as a child! The rates seem quite reasonable, too - £75 per night for a single, £105 for a double/twin and £125 for a master bedroom with a four-poster (all inc breakfast). It sounds like a good place to stay if I ever manage to get up there and explore the places where my own - somewhat more modest and humble - ancestors came from. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Dear Ray, Groan............. Your pernicketty comments are about as worth while as your knowledge of Irish research. As for atlases........ perhaps you're from the Geographical school of " What's British and what should be British" ;-) Now back to Durham and Northumberland....... perhaps we could find Ray's lot for him and establish who are and aren't his around the Rothbury area. Any volunteers out there wishing to find them in Newcastle?.....It'll be sometime before I get there. Remember Ray...... try to keep the blood pressure down. ;-) That's my last comment on the subject........ this is becoming the "Ray show" Best regards. ps if you need look ups in NBL/DUR Ray just ask..... there's plenty of us willing to help....as it showed last week. > > I get the feeling Kelvin is trying to make some kind of obscure political point, Stan, > nothing to do with the original query, which was about whether there would be records > of people arriving from Ireland in the 19th century. > > I am not entirely clear what his point is but I assume it's something to do with the fact > that he believes Ireland has never been part of Britain, despite all the evidence to the > contrary, i.e. the Acts of Union which made Ireland part of Britain until the > establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. > > He also conveniently ignores the fact that on most world atlases the recognised > geographical description for the cluster of islands off the coast of mainland Europe is > "the British Isles" - and this includes Ireland. > > Now, back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy..... > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

On 26 Jul 2010 at 14:22, Stan Mapstone wrote: > The Act of Union with Scotland in 1707 stated that henceforth the two > countries were 'united into one kingdom by the name of Great Britain'. > This usage lasted until the Act of Union with Ireland in 1801 which > substituted the term 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland'. > After southern Ireland established its independence the name was again > modified to 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. > > Stan Mapstone > > On 26 July 2010 12:24, Kevin Mc Cormack <raglanroad22@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Margaret.......I know all about that.....as you said part of the > > United Kingdom. i.e. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern > > Ireland. < < I get the feeling Kelvin is trying to make some kind of obscure political point, Stan, nothing to do with the original query, which was about whether there would be records of people arriving from Ireland in the 19th century. I am not entirely clear what his point is but I assume it's something to do with the fact that he believes Ireland has never been part of Britain, despite all the evidence to the contrary, i.e. the Acts of Union which made Ireland part of Britain until the establishment of the Irish Free State in 1922. He also conveniently ignores the fact that on most world atlases the recognised geographical description for the cluster of islands off the coast of mainland Europe is "the British Isles" - and this includes Ireland. Now, back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy..... -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Indeed. > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:22:53 +0100 > From: stanmapstone@gmail.com > To: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Arriving from Ireland. > > The Act of Union with Scotland in 1707 stated that henceforth the two > countries were 'united into one kingdom by the name of Great Britain'. This > usage lasted until the Act of Union with Ireland in 1801 which substituted > the term 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland'. After southern > Ireland established its independence the name was again modified to 'United > Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. > > Stan Mapstone > > On 26 July 2010 12:24, Kevin Mc Cormack <raglanroad22@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Margaret.......I know all about that.....as you said part of the United > > Kingdom. i.e. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > To Post a message to this list send it to, > > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > List Web Page > > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Please will the boys ( you know who you are) stop scoring points off each other and be courteous - I'm beginning to dread opening my emails! If your comments are meant as a joke, please indicate this in some way as it is all too easy to be taken seriously when using email. Marie Kerr

The Act of Union with Scotland in 1707 stated that henceforth the two countries were 'united into one kingdom by the name of Great Britain'. This usage lasted until the Act of Union with Ireland in 1801 which substituted the term 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland'. After southern Ireland established its independence the name was again modified to 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Stan Mapstone On 26 July 2010 12:24, Kevin Mc Cormack <raglanroad22@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Margaret.......I know all about that.....as you said part of the United > Kingdom. i.e. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland. > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A few tips....I remember a researcher in the NE looking at R.C. registers (after they obtained a marriage cert.) to find that the Priest had recorded the home Parish of the Bride. Perhaps this was linked to a letter of freedom. A lot of Irish surnames are linked to particular Counties e.g. MORGAN - Co's Louth/Armagh and Monaghan. McCARTHY -Co Cork and bordering Co's. COYLE - Co Derry etc etc. I would definitely look at Parish registers even if you have obtained all BMD certs. Civil resigstration started in 1864..... Protestant Marriages were registered from 1845. Parish records generally go back to c1800-1830 Large Parishes and Cathedrals quite a bit further back. A large amount of C of I records were destroyed in a fire. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Hi all, I'm tracking the marriages of some of my distant cousins, all South Shields. I would be delighted to learn of any connections? Eliza Frances PROCTOR to Robert W SUMMERBELL, married 29 May 1865 Sophia PROCTOR to William BAKER, married 2 February 1874 Julia Frances PROCTOR to John William SCRIMGER, married 3 October 1878 The PROCTOR girls were daughters of William F. PROCTOR and Grace ARCHER. Grace ARCHER was the sister of my 3 x gt. Grandmother, Ann ARCHER. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Despite both my parents being from Sunderland, I was born in Norfolk but was apprenticed to Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft in Coventry. I had no idea of the Northern origins of the company; nobody ever talked about the past. It was only when I bought a book - "Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Since 1913" by Oliver Tapper, that I became aware of how the company started. The book has a short history of W.G (later Baron) Armstrong and Joseph Whitworth, and a number of photographs of planes under construction in the Newcastle area in the FWW. The Siddeley connection came about because Siddley Deasy of Coventry were making aircraft engines during the FWW and subcontracted the making of many parts to Armstrong Whitworth in Newcastle. In 1919 Armstrong Whitworth decided to buy Siddeley Deasy, forming The Armstrong Whitworth Development Co and formed a subsidiary called Armstrong Siddeley, who made the cars and aircraft engines based in Coventry, and the AW aircraft production was also moved from Newcastle to Coventry to a new factory. John Siddeley, who had been responsible for the success of Siddley Deasy, was elected to the board of Armstrong Whitworth in Newcastle in 1926, but fell out with the company and made an audacious take-over bid to buy the Coventry outfit, which happened in 1927. The company was then the Sir W.G.Armstrong Whitworth Aircraft Company. In 1935 Siddeley suddenly sold his aircraft interests to Hawker Aircraft, and this was the start of the Hawker Siddeley Group. I left the company in 1963. With the contraction of the aerospace industry it went through the names Whitworth Gloster, then Avro Whitworth, and then disappeared into the rest of the Hawker Siddeley Group, the Coventry factories being shut down. Armstrong Siddeley had become a separate group in Hawker Siddeley at that time, and stopped making the cars in the early '60's. The engine business survived at Coventry and was merged eventually into the Rolls Royce business. One thing that has surprised me is that, when I worked there we had 11,500 employees. Friends Reunited lists less than 50 ex-employees, far less than most similar-sized outfits. I have no idea why the ex-employees have such little interest in what was a very successful company. Adrian ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Ray, You imply that the Heritage centres are the only source......you couldn't be further from the truth. You can ask the Heritage centres if you wish...I wouldn't dream of using them. ( these records were transcribed by volunteers) The records are kept digitally....... yep even a young lad/girl can search them... as I said it's not rocket science. Serious researchers would use the Naltional library, National Archives, Parishes and Co. Libraries etc . You say you are "delighted I haven't Irish ancestry" I can hear a Nation rise in unison and state "Amen" ;-) Best regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

>From Kevin McCormack... >The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't a >clue where they came from...... < I would have said the biggest problem with Irish records is the secrecy of the Catholic Church which seems to guard its records jealously, even where they do exist (and not just in Ireland, either). A few years ago, if I rightly recall, they set up something called Heritage Centres which were supposed to hold parish records and provide opportunities for employment for unemployed youths and girls. You had to go through these centres and get them to look for the records. Of course, most of these kids didn't have a clue what they were doing, so it was pretty pointless contacting them! Perhaps you know differently? I must confess, I am glad I have no Irish ancestry apart from the fact that my mother was born in Dublin - but that was a pure fluke of birth because her parents happened to be living there at the time. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Margaret.......I know all about that.....as you said part of the United Kingdom. i.e. United Kingdom of Great Britain and Nothern Ireland. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

>From Kevin McCormack..... > >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it > >read > ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" > Ireland was never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc.> I suggest you Google on "Acts of Union 1800". From wikipedia..... "The Acts of Union 1800 (sometimes called the Acts of Union 1801) (Irish: Acht an "Aontais 1800) describe two complementary Acts[1], namely: * the Union with Ireland Act 1800 (1800 c.67 39 and 40 Geo 3), an Act of the Parliament of Great Britain, and * the Act of Union (Ireland) 1800 (1800 c.38 40 Geo 3), an Act of the Parliament of Ireland. "The Acts were passed on 2 July 1800 and 1 August 1800, respectively. "The twin Acts united the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland to "create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.[2][3] The union came into "effect on 1 January 1801. "Both Acts, though since amended, remain in force in the United Kingdom[4]. "In the Republic of Ireland the Union with Ireland Act 1800 (that passed in Great "Britain) was not finally repealed until the passing of the Republic of Ireland's Statute "Law Revision Act 1983.[5] The Act of Union (Ireland) 1800 (that passed in Ireland) "was repealed in 1962.[6]" It could scarcely be clearer! Wikipedia also gives some background..... Before these Acts, Ireland had been in personal union with England since 1541, when the Irish Parliament had passed the Crown of Ireland Act 1542, proclaiming King Henry VIII of England to be King of Ireland. Both Ireland and England had been in personal union with Scotland since the Union of the Crowns in 1603. In 1707, England and Scotland “ hitherto a personal union “ were united into a single kingdom; the Kingdom of Great Britain. The Kingdom of Ireland was left out. In July 1707, each House of the Parliament of Ireland passed a congratulatory address to Queen Anne, praying that "May God put it in your royal heart to add greater strength and lustre to your crown, by a still more comprehensive Union"[7]. The British government did not respond to this, and an equal union between Great Britain and Ireland was not considered until the 1790s. When the union was finally passed in 1800, the British drove the process. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I can't remember the escalator at Fenwicks - but there was one at Boots the Chemists - further up Northumberland Street. It was quite an attraction. Heather >> I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going >> both up and down, which I loved. >>

By the Act of Union of 1801 the Irish Parliament was suppressed and representation transferred to Westminster. As Ireland became a Free State on 6 December 1922, it is not surprising that passports of 70s and 80s just said Northern Island Stan Mapstone On 26 July 2010 11:30, Kevin Mc Cormack <raglanroad22@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I suggest some of you take a good look at British passports. > > > > >From my memory I saw a few in the 70's and 80's and on the cover it read > ........ "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Ireland was > never part of Britain like Wales, Scotland etc. > > > > In the WWI conscription was obv. there for England , Scotland and > Wales...... Ireland was very different. > > > > Nothing to do with passenger lists etc. but still. > > > > As for Irish records........it's a tad over used phrase stating the records > aren't there. > > > > Civil registration , Parish records and a few other sources are there in > abundance. > > > > The biggest problem searching for your Irish ancestors is that you haven't > a clue where they came from...... it's like me coming to this list and > saying my Gx3 is John Smith.....i haven't a clue where he's from but Im so > frustrated that he can't be found. > > > > Censuses pre 1901 were destroyed......the British are to blame pre > 1881......and a stray shot in the Civil war destroyed the rest. > > > > Anyway....that's my in put on the subject. > > > > Regards. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >