Hi John, I have always known that I had HUME ancestors as it was my Father's middle name "Because it was a family surname." So I was unsurprised to find my great granda Thomas TAYLOR living as son-in-law with David Hume and his wife Annie in the 1901 census. Thomas's wife Emma being noted as "daughter" That was where the fun started, because although I could find Emma on a couple of censuses and had her on her marriage certificate, I couldn't find her birth. It took some help from here, but I eventually realised that there were 2 Emma Hume entries one for Q1 1876 the other for Q2, both in Tynemouth. No choice, I had to buy both. It transpires that my Emma was not David's daughter, but his niece. The daughter of his little sister Mary Ann, with no father. Since then I have gone back another generation, so my earliest Hume is Robert HUME born 1822 Gallow Hill, near Bolam Married Mary BLACKBIRD (b 1828 Earsdon) Newcastle-u-Tyne Q4 1845 Their children 1.1 David 22 Dec 1846 Seghill 1.2 George 1850 1.3 Jane 1852 1.4 Elizabeth 1854 1.5 Mary Ann 1857 - 1912 1.6 Robert 1860 1.7 Eleanor 1864 1.1 David married Annie GORDON (b 1848 Seghill) Tynemouth Q3 1866 1.1.1 Thomas W. 1865 Burradon 1.1.2 Robert 1868 Burradon 1.1.3 Christopher J. 1871 Wrekington, Co Durham 1.1.2 Robert married Sarah A. ? b1871 Seghill 1.2 George married Sarah MADDOX (b 1848 Hazelrigg) Newcastle-u-Tyne Q3 1872 1.4 Elizabeth married George MADDOX (b 1852 Hazelrigg) Tynemouth Q2 1873 1.5 Mary Ann 1.5.1 Emma 13 May 1876 Burradon 1.5 Mary Ann married William MADDOX (b 1847 Hazelrigg) Longbenton Parish Church 26 Dec 1869 as his 2nd wife. George and William MADDOX were brothers, Sarah MADDOX was their Aunt! That is all that I have under the HUME name at the moment. Any of it link anywhere? Cheers Steve On 26/07/2010 15:52, john.hume wrote: > Just wondering, as there seem to be quite a few people on this site at the moment, if anyone has HUME or HUMES in their research. Would be grateful for any information > regards > John Hume > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 27/07/2010 18:04, "YvonnePurdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > > I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has viewed the Groat Market Meeting > House records. We have seen some records (at TWAS) from a bit later when it was possibly the John Knox a church favoured by our folk coming from Berwickshire .. But see the discussion at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,321511.msg2022707.html Perhaps Stan can give us up to date insight. Regards Robin

Dear all, I'm reasonably sure that one of my ancestors, Henry (Henrey/Hendry Moffit) was baptised at the Groat Market Meeting (House?), Newcastle, son of Henry Moffet and Ursula (possibly Forster), born 30 April 1767. Has anyone researched any records at this meeting house? I'm curious why here? Young Henry Moffat's marriage to Ann Thompson took place on 1 December 1794 at Christ Church, Tynemouth. Henry jnrs. own children were baptised at the New Presbyterian Church, South Shields. Henry's parish was given of Longbenton, and Ann Thompson's of Eighton, Co. Durham. I'm beginning to think that the Moffets (and variants) were of Scottish origins, but only supposition at present. Henry (sometimes given as Hendry) Moffat died on 4 July 1803, buried 6 July 1803 aged 36, at St. Hilda's Church, South Shields, Shipwright. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has viewed the Groat Market Meeting House records. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

------------------------------ These transcription errors usually come about from the use of drop-down lists by the transcribers. They type in the first few letters and the list 'suggests' a possible place name which is very easy for the transcriber to select. ESH is the three letter country code for Western Sahara, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3 Stan Mapstone On 27 July 2010 14:46, <ADRABBOTT@aol.com> wrote: > As a light diversion, I have just been looking for a Fenwick who married > into my family, and in the 1861 Census came across Sarah Ann Fenwick, born > in Western Sahara, Durham (according to Ancestry.com). I always suspected > Durham was a cultural desert. > > A quick look at RG9, Piece 3745, Folio 57, Page 16 shows that the entry > actually shows her birthplace as two ditto signs under the previous entry, > so it actually says she was born in Esh, Durham. How's that for an > imaginative transcription, even by Ancestry's standards? > > Adrian > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just sent "A quick look at RG9, Piece 3745, Folio 57, Page 16 shows that the entry actually shows her birthplace as two ditto signs under the previous entry, so it actually says she was born in Esh, Durham. How's that for an imaginative transcription, even by Ancestry's standards?" The plot thickens - in the 1851 Census, where the name appears to be Tenwick, she is also described as being born in Western Sahara but again the original distinctly says Esh. But someone has written in and added a correcting note. A further investigation shows that many entries where Esh is written appear as Western Sahara - there are 202 of them in the 1851 Census alone. I have found another Rootsweb message about this, and it appears that ESH is a country code for Western Sahara, and that transcribers have been using a drop-down list incorrectly. Adrian

As a light diversion, I have just been looking for a Fenwick who married into my family, and in the 1861 Census came across Sarah Ann Fenwick, born in Western Sahara, Durham (according to Ancestry.com). I always suspected Durham was a cultural desert. A quick look at RG9, Piece 3745, Folio 57, Page 16 shows that the entry actually shows her birthplace as two ditto signs under the previous entry, so it actually says she was born in Esh, Durham. How's that for an imaginative transcription, even by Ancestry's standards? Adrian

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I certainly remember the up only escalator in Boots, the only one in Newcastle as far as I know in the early 1950's. It was quite narrow and I much preferred going to Boots than Fenwick's for that reason. Also recall the bands in the restaurant, father seemed to have been on first name terms with all the band leaders. As a small boy watching parcels going down the shute to the delivery bay at Bainbridge's was also a great attraction at that time - beside the stairs down from the cafe/restaurants where mother used to meet her friends. Mother was more interested in hats! In fact hats and scarves were essential in those days, but we're wandering away from genealogy, but perhaps that explains the number of milliners in older times:-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather A Punshon" <heather@punshon.ca> To: "DUR-NBL mailing list" <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's horse and bird >I can't remember the escalator at Fenwicks - but there was one at Boots > the Chemists - further up Northumberland Street. It was quite an > attraction. > > Heather >>> I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going >>> both up and down, which I loved.

On 26 Jul 2010 at 16:50, Neil MacDonald wrote: > Re the possible Fenwick connection: > > John James Fenwick, the founder of Fenwick's store, was born in > Scorton, Richmond, Yorkshire in 1846 (see > http://www.jesmondoldcemetery.co.uk/fenwick_44.html). His father, > Thomas Fenwick (a butcher and farmer) was born in Bolton, Yorkshire in > 1811-1812. > > John Charles James Fenwick (later of Embleton Hall) was born in 1845 > in Ripon, Yorkshire. His father, James T. Fenwick (a physician) was > born in Bamburgh 1800-1801. > > So, although both were born in North Yorkshire in adjacent years, the > two families are unlikely to be related, unless much earlier. > You've certainly got the facts right, Neil. This is what I too discovered. As you say, if there is a connection then it's farther back. However, I do seem to have started something with people's reminiscences of Fenwick's store! This, in my view, is at least in part what these lists are for and, in that tired old cliche (but I don't know a better one), it's about putting flesh on the bones of family history. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> Nothing really to do with these posts but my memory was triggered, but I > can > remember being taken to Fenwick's in Newcastle where children were allowed > to have a ride on the rocking horse from the Fenwick nursery, there was > also > a little stuffed(?) bird in a cage which would sing when you put a penny > in > the slot. I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going > both up and down, which I loved. > I am talking about sixty years ago so my memory may be faulty, but does > anyone else remember? Also the marvellous Christmas grotto?. > Margaret Spot on Margaret, I remember the rocking horse & the toy bird in the cage, and the train set at Xmas. Happy memories. John, Newcastle upon Tyne little.blobby2@btinternet.com

I remember asking for a request from Willie Walker and his Band who played at the restaurant in Fenwicks, must be 60 years ago, Margaret Mike in Saudi Mike in Saudi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Lawrence" <meltcl@btinternet.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's > Nothing really to do with these posts but my memory was triggered, but I > can > remember being taken to Fenwick's in Newcastle where children were allowed > to have a ride on the rocking horse from the Fenwick nursery, there was > also > a little stuffed(?) bird in a cage which would sing when you put a penny > in > the slot. I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going > both up and down, which I loved. > > I am talking about sixty years ago so my memory may be faulty, but does > anyone else remember? Also the marvellous Christmas grotto? > > Sorry if this is off topic. > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Christopher Morgan > Sent: 26 July 2010 16:45 > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's > > For the sake of those unfortunate enough not to have been brought up on > Tyneside, I thought it might be useful to explain how dominant these two > surnames are to those of us who were:-) The two families contributed a > massive amount to the way industry and trade developed. > > Fenwick's department store - of Bond Street, York, Canterbury, etc., but > above all of Northumberland Street in Newcastle. Famous for their > Christmas > window displays, carrying on since 1971 where Callers left off after their > disastrous fire. > > I'll leave those who know about the genealogy to add more of that, but for > starters just have a look at the shop windows for the last few years and > you'll understand why we Geordies, Northumbrian's, and even Mackems, have > a > soft spot for Fenwick's - especially since Binn's and Bainbridge's got > swallowed by the House of Fraser and the John Lewis Partnership. > > 2009 > http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2009/11/fenwicks-christmas-window-2009.h > tml > > 2008 > http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2008/12/fenwicks-christmas-window-2008.h > tml > > 2007 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2007/12/fenwicks-window-2007.html > > All these pictures seem to have been taken at dead of night as most of the > waking day you can't get near the windows for children and adults alike! > > And a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rn4043xDFk > > William Armstrong - industrialist and much more. > > Armstrong's factory! Blaydon Races. Battleships. Engineering. Armaments. > Jesmond Dene. Cragside at Rothbury. And more! > > DOH, how can anyone with North East roots not know of the most famous > Armstrong of them all? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong,_1st_Baron_Armstrong > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth > > And of course that enduring anthem has to include a reference to his > factory, a massive site on Scotswood Road - make sure the pronunciations > are > right - "Allan's Tyneside Songs" of 1891 version quoted here! Let's here > you > all singing. > > Aw went to Blaydon Races, 'twas on the ninth of Joon, > Eiteen hundred an' sixty-two, on a summer's efternoon; > Aw tyuk the 'bus frae Balmbra's, an' she wis heavy laden, > Away we went alang Collingwood Street, that's on the road to Blaydon. > (chorus) > > Ah me lads, ye shud only seen us gannin', > We pass'd the foaks upon the road just as they wor stannin'; > Thor wes lots o' lads an' lasses there, all wi' smiling faces, > Gawn alang the Scotswood Road, to see the Blaydon Races. > > We flew past Airmstrang's factory, and up to the "Robin Adair", > Just gannin' doon te the railway bridge, the 'bus wheel flew off there. > The lasses lost their crinolines off, an' the veils that hide their faces, > An' aw got two black eyes an' a broken nose in gan te Blaydon Races. > > (chorus) > > When we gat the wheel put on away we went agyen, > But them that had their noses broke they cam back ower hyem; > Sum went to the Dispensary an' uthers to Doctor Gibbs, > An' sum sought out the Infirmary to mend their broken ribs. > > (chorus) > > Noo when we gat to Paradise thor wes bonny gam begun; > Thor was fower-an-twenty on the 'bus, man, hoo they danced an' sung; > They called on me to sing a sang, aw sung them "Paddy Fagan", > Aw danced a jig an' swung my twig that day aw went to Blaydon. > > (chorus) > > We flew across the Chain Bridge reet into Blaydon toon, > The bellman he was callin' there, they call him Jackie Brown; > Aw saw him talkin' to sum cheps, an' them he was pursuadin' > To gan an' see Geordy Ridley's concert in the Mechanics' Hall at Blaydon. > > (chorus) > > The rain it poor'd aw the day an' myed the groons quite muddy, > Coffy Johnny had a white hat on - they war shootin' "Whe stole the cuddy." > There wes spice stalls an' munkey shows an' aud wives selling ciders, > An' a chep wiv a hapenny roond aboot, shootin' "Noo, me boys, for riders." > > (chorus) > > Chris Morgan > > Sheffield > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi Yvonne, While we are talking of the FENWICKS and ARMSTRONG familys of Newcastle, are your PROCTOR's perhaps connected to the South Sheilds family company PROCTOR and GAMBLE? Just a thought while it seems to be a topic! Boris. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I never was in a gang of thieves; I never was guilty of any such thing in my life.' JAMES ATTERBY 29th April 1778, The Old Bailey. OLD ATTERBY GROUP.... http://groups.msn.com/AtterbyFamilyHistory NEW ATTERBY GROUP.... http://atterby.multiply.com/ http://atterby.tribalpages.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: YvonnePurdy <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 July, 2010 13:45:32 Subject: [DUR-NBL] Eliza Frances PROCTOR/Robert W SUMMERBELL; Sophia PROCTOR/William BAKER; Julia Frances PROCTOR/John William SCRIMGER Hi all, I'm tracking the marriages of some of my distant cousins, all South Shields. I would be delighted to learn of any connections? Eliza Frances PROCTOR to Robert W SUMMERBELL, married 29 May 1865 Sophia PROCTOR to William BAKER, married 2 February 1874 Julia Frances PROCTOR to John William SCRIMGER, married 3 October 1878 The PROCTOR girls were daughters of William F. PROCTOR and Grace ARCHER. Grace ARCHER was the sister of my 3 x gt. Grandmother, Ann ARCHER. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I remember them too. The rocking horse was called Walter and the bird in the cage sang for an old penny. My memory places them in the ladies powder room, presumably to keep the kiddies quiet whilst Mam massaged her swollen feet and lounged in the chintz covered chairs, ciggie in hand. Someone told me later that Walter was relocated to the childrens department but maybe it was the other way around. Gen in NBL > From: meltcl@btinternet.com > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:24:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's > > Nothing really to do with these posts but my memory was triggered, but I can > remember being taken to Fenwick's in Newcastle where children were allowed > to have a ride on the rocking horse from the Fenwick nursery, there was also > a little stuffed(?) bird in a cage which would sing when you put a penny in > the slot. I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going > both up and down, which I loved. > > I am talking about sixty years ago so my memory may be faulty, but does > anyone else remember? Also the marvellous Christmas grotto? > > Sorry if this is off topic. > > Margaret > > -----Original Message----- > From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Christopher Morgan > Sent: 26 July 2010 16:45 > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's > > For the sake of those unfortunate enough not to have been brought up on > Tyneside, I thought it might be useful to explain how dominant these two > surnames are to those of us who were:-) The two families contributed a > massive amount to the way industry and trade developed. > > Fenwick's department store - of Bond Street, York, Canterbury, etc., but > above all of Northumberland Street in Newcastle. Famous for their Christmas > window displays, carrying on since 1971 where Callers left off after their > disastrous fire. > > I'll leave those who know about the genealogy to add more of that, but for > starters just have a look at the shop windows for the last few years and > you'll understand why we Geordies, Northumbrian's, and even Mackems, have a > soft spot for Fenwick's - especially since Binn's and Bainbridge's got > swallowed by the House of Fraser and the John Lewis Partnership. > > 2009 > http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2009/11/fenwicks-christmas-window-2009.h > tml > > 2008 > http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2008/12/fenwicks-christmas-window-2008.h > tml > > 2007 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2007/12/fenwicks-window-2007.html > > All these pictures seem to have been taken at dead of night as most of the > waking day you can't get near the windows for children and adults alike! > > And a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rn4043xDFk > > William Armstrong - industrialist and much more. > > Armstrong's factory! Blaydon Races. Battleships. Engineering. Armaments. > Jesmond Dene. Cragside at Rothbury. And more! > > DOH, how can anyone with North East roots not know of the most famous > Armstrong of them all? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong,_1st_Baron_Armstrong > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth > > And of course that enduring anthem has to include a reference to his > factory, a massive site on Scotswood Road - make sure the pronunciations are > right - "Allan's Tyneside Songs" of 1891 version quoted here! Let's here you > all singing. > > Aw went to Blaydon Races, 'twas on the ninth of Joon, > Eiteen hundred an' sixty-two, on a summer's efternoon; > Aw tyuk the 'bus frae Balmbra's, an' she wis heavy laden, > Away we went alang Collingwood Street, that's on the road to Blaydon. > (chorus) > > Ah me lads, ye shud only seen us gannin', > We pass'd the foaks upon the road just as they wor stannin'; > Thor wes lots o' lads an' lasses there, all wi' smiling faces, > Gawn alang the Scotswood Road, to see the Blaydon Races. > > We flew past Airmstrang's factory, and up to the "Robin Adair", > Just gannin' doon te the railway bridge, the 'bus wheel flew off there. > The lasses lost their crinolines off, an' the veils that hide their faces, > An' aw got two black eyes an' a broken nose in gan te Blaydon Races. > > (chorus) > > When we gat the wheel put on away we went agyen, > But them that had their noses broke they cam back ower hyem; > Sum went to the Dispensary an' uthers to Doctor Gibbs, > An' sum sought out the Infirmary to mend their broken ribs. > > (chorus) > > Noo when we gat to Paradise thor wes bonny gam begun; > Thor was fower-an-twenty on the 'bus, man, hoo they danced an' sung; > They called on me to sing a sang, aw sung them "Paddy Fagan", > Aw danced a jig an' swung my twig that day aw went to Blaydon. > > (chorus) > > We flew across the Chain Bridge reet into Blaydon toon, > The bellman he was callin' there, they call him Jackie Brown; > Aw saw him talkin' to sum cheps, an' them he was pursuadin' > To gan an' see Geordy Ridley's concert in the Mechanics' Hall at Blaydon. > > (chorus) > > The rain it poor'd aw the day an' myed the groons quite muddy, > Coffy Johnny had a white hat on - they war shootin' "Whe stole the cuddy." > There wes spice stalls an' munkey shows an' aud wives selling ciders, > An' a chep wiv a hapenny roond aboot, shootin' "Noo, me boys, for riders." > > (chorus) > > Chris Morgan > > Sheffield > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. 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Nothing really to do with these posts but my memory was triggered, but I can remember being taken to Fenwick's in Newcastle where children were allowed to have a ride on the rocking horse from the Fenwick nursery, there was also a little stuffed(?) bird in a cage which would sing when you put a penny in the slot. I believe also that they had one of the first escalators going both up and down, which I loved. I am talking about sixty years ago so my memory may be faulty, but does anyone else remember? Also the marvellous Christmas grotto? Sorry if this is off topic. Margaret -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Morgan Sent: 26 July 2010 16:45 To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's For the sake of those unfortunate enough not to have been brought up on Tyneside, I thought it might be useful to explain how dominant these two surnames are to those of us who were:-) The two families contributed a massive amount to the way industry and trade developed. Fenwick's department store - of Bond Street, York, Canterbury, etc., but above all of Northumberland Street in Newcastle. Famous for their Christmas window displays, carrying on since 1971 where Callers left off after their disastrous fire. I'll leave those who know about the genealogy to add more of that, but for starters just have a look at the shop windows for the last few years and you'll understand why we Geordies, Northumbrian's, and even Mackems, have a soft spot for Fenwick's - especially since Binn's and Bainbridge's got swallowed by the House of Fraser and the John Lewis Partnership. 2009 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2009/11/fenwicks-christmas-window-2009.h tml 2008 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2008/12/fenwicks-christmas-window-2008.h tml 2007 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2007/12/fenwicks-window-2007.html All these pictures seem to have been taken at dead of night as most of the waking day you can't get near the windows for children and adults alike! And a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rn4043xDFk William Armstrong - industrialist and much more. Armstrong's factory! Blaydon Races. Battleships. Engineering. Armaments. Jesmond Dene. Cragside at Rothbury. And more! DOH, how can anyone with North East roots not know of the most famous Armstrong of them all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong,_1st_Baron_Armstrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth And of course that enduring anthem has to include a reference to his factory, a massive site on Scotswood Road - make sure the pronunciations are right - "Allan's Tyneside Songs" of 1891 version quoted here! Let's here you all singing. Aw went to Blaydon Races, 'twas on the ninth of Joon, Eiteen hundred an' sixty-two, on a summer's efternoon; Aw tyuk the 'bus frae Balmbra's, an' she wis heavy laden, Away we went alang Collingwood Street, that's on the road to Blaydon. (chorus) Ah me lads, ye shud only seen us gannin', We pass'd the foaks upon the road just as they wor stannin'; Thor wes lots o' lads an' lasses there, all wi' smiling faces, Gawn alang the Scotswood Road, to see the Blaydon Races. We flew past Airmstrang's factory, and up to the "Robin Adair", Just gannin' doon te the railway bridge, the 'bus wheel flew off there. The lasses lost their crinolines off, an' the veils that hide their faces, An' aw got two black eyes an' a broken nose in gan te Blaydon Races. (chorus) When we gat the wheel put on away we went agyen, But them that had their noses broke they cam back ower hyem; Sum went to the Dispensary an' uthers to Doctor Gibbs, An' sum sought out the Infirmary to mend their broken ribs. (chorus) Noo when we gat to Paradise thor wes bonny gam begun; Thor was fower-an-twenty on the 'bus, man, hoo they danced an' sung; They called on me to sing a sang, aw sung them "Paddy Fagan", Aw danced a jig an' swung my twig that day aw went to Blaydon. (chorus) We flew across the Chain Bridge reet into Blaydon toon, The bellman he was callin' there, they call him Jackie Brown; Aw saw him talkin' to sum cheps, an' them he was pursuadin' To gan an' see Geordy Ridley's concert in the Mechanics' Hall at Blaydon. (chorus) The rain it poor'd aw the day an' myed the groons quite muddy, Coffy Johnny had a white hat on - they war shootin' "Whe stole the cuddy." There wes spice stalls an' munkey shows an' aud wives selling ciders, An' a chep wiv a hapenny roond aboot, shootin' "Noo, me boys, for riders." (chorus) Chris Morgan Sheffield ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I had, of course, heard of Baron Armstrong and already established that he lived at Cragside, Rothbury. However, I've not yet managed to link him to the Armstrong family of Alexander Armstrong, nor have I linked the Fenwicks of Embleton Hall, Longframlington, to Fenwicks department store. My dad owned an Armstrong-Siddeley Saphire motor car in the 1950s, a beautiful vehicle, but it was long after Baron Armstrong's death that Armstrong Whitworth took over Siddeley. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Re the possible Fenwick connection: John James Fenwick, the founder of Fenwick's store, was born in Scorton, Richmond, Yorkshire in 1846 (see http://www.jesmondoldcemetery.co.uk/fenwick_44.html). His father, Thomas Fenwick (a butcher and farmer) was born in Bolton, Yorkshire in 1811-1812. John Charles James Fenwick (later of Embleton Hall) was born in 1845 in Ripon, Yorkshire. His father, James T. Fenwick (a physician) was born in Bamburgh 1800-1801. So, although both were born in North Yorkshire in adjacent years, the two families are unlikely to be related, unless much earlier. Neil --- On Mon, 26/7/10, Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> wrote: > From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Fenwick's and Armstrong's > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, 26 July, 2010, 17:16 > <snip> nor have I linked the > Fenwicks of Embleton Hall, > Longframlington, to Fenwicks department store. <end snip> > > Roy Stockdill

For the sake of those unfortunate enough not to have been brought up on Tyneside, I thought it might be useful to explain how dominant these two surnames are to those of us who were:-) The two families contributed a massive amount to the way industry and trade developed. Fenwick's department store - of Bond Street, York, Canterbury, etc., but above all of Northumberland Street in Newcastle. Famous for their Christmas window displays, carrying on since 1971 where Callers left off after their disastrous fire. I'll leave those who know about the genealogy to add more of that, but for starters just have a look at the shop windows for the last few years and you'll understand why we Geordies, Northumbrian's, and even Mackems, have a soft spot for Fenwick's - especially since Binn's and Bainbridge's got swallowed by the House of Fraser and the John Lewis Partnership. 2009 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2009/11/fenwicks-christmas-window-2009.html 2008 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2008/12/fenwicks-christmas-window-2008.html 2007 http://newcastlephotos.blogspot.com/2007/12/fenwicks-window-2007.html All these pictures seem to have been taken at dead of night as most of the waking day you can't get near the windows for children and adults alike! And a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rn4043xDFk William Armstrong - industrialist and much more. Armstrong's factory! Blaydon Races. Battleships. Engineering. Armaments. Jesmond Dene. Cragside at Rothbury. And more! DOH, how can anyone with North East roots not know of the most famous Armstrong of them all? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Armstrong,_1st_Baron_Armstrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth And of course that enduring anthem has to include a reference to his factory, a massive site on Scotswood Road - make sure the pronunciations are right - "Allan's Tyneside Songs" of 1891 version quoted here! Let's here you all singing. Aw went to Blaydon Races, 'twas on the ninth of Joon, Eiteen hundred an' sixty-two, on a summer's efternoon; Aw tyuk the 'bus frae Balmbra's, an' she wis heavy laden, Away we went alang Collingwood Street, that's on the road to Blaydon. (chorus) Ah me lads, ye shud only seen us gannin', We pass'd the foaks upon the road just as they wor stannin'; Thor wes lots o' lads an' lasses there, all wi' smiling faces, Gawn alang the Scotswood Road, to see the Blaydon Races. We flew past Airmstrang's factory, and up to the "Robin Adair", Just gannin' doon te the railway bridge, the 'bus wheel flew off there. The lasses lost their crinolines off, an' the veils that hide their faces, An' aw got two black eyes an' a broken nose in gan te Blaydon Races. (chorus) When we gat the wheel put on away we went agyen, But them that had their noses broke they cam back ower hyem; Sum went to the Dispensary an' uthers to Doctor Gibbs, An' sum sought out the Infirmary to mend their broken ribs. (chorus) Noo when we gat to Paradise thor wes bonny gam begun; Thor was fower-an-twenty on the 'bus, man, hoo they danced an' sung; They called on me to sing a sang, aw sung them "Paddy Fagan", Aw danced a jig an' swung my twig that day aw went to Blaydon. (chorus) We flew across the Chain Bridge reet into Blaydon toon, The bellman he was callin' there, they call him Jackie Brown; Aw saw him talkin' to sum cheps, an' them he was pursuadin' To gan an' see Geordy Ridley's concert in the Mechanics' Hall at Blaydon. (chorus) The rain it poor'd aw the day an' myed the groons quite muddy, Coffy Johnny had a white hat on - they war shootin' "Whe stole the cuddy." There wes spice stalls an' munkey shows an' aud wives selling ciders, An' a chep wiv a hapenny roond aboot, shootin' "Noo, me boys, for riders." (chorus) Chris Morgan Sheffield

Would just like to add that Armstrongs on Scotswood Road was latterly Vickers Armstrong  - my dear late father-in-law worked there. As for Blaydon Races, I attended the centenary in 1962 - that makes me feel so old! Though a Sunderland lass,I still pop down from the Borders to Newcastle occasionally for a day's shopping & Fenwick's is a must.I bought my "going away outfit" there in 1965 & my mother of the bride outfit in 1992.Happy memories. Marie Kerr

I tend to hit the reply button far too often rather than making sure it goes directly to the list. Not that I've had a complaint. Also apologies for my bit of fun with Ray (yes I know it's Roy) I just cant help myself at times. Right ....let's get back to talking Ireland. Regards. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

OK Thanks for that .....I always confuse the two. Perhaps I should stick to Mr. Stockdale. Regards. > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:38:25 +0100 > From: ftree@quineyclan.force9.co.uk > To: raglanroad22@hotmail.com > CC: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Arriving from Ireland. > > Kevin, > > At the risk of being called "pernickertty", whether you agree with him > or not, his name is ROY (not Ray). > > As he says, "... back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy". PLEASE! > > Heather > > > > > Kevin Mc Cormack wrote: > > Dear Ray, Groan............. Your pernicketty comments are about as worth while as your knowledge of Irish research. > > > > <snip> > > > > Now back to Durham and Northumberland....... perhaps we could find Ray's lot for him and establish who are and aren't his around the Rothbury area. > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Remember Ray...... try to keep the blood pressure down. ;-) > > > > > > That's my last comment on the subject........ this is becoming the "Ray show" > > > > > > > > ps if you need look ups in NBL/DUR Ray just ask..... there's plenty of us willing to help....as it showed last week. > > > > > >> Now, back to Durham and Northumberland genealogy..... > >> > >> -- > >> Roy Stockdill > >> > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969