The records all relate to the 1880 United States Federal Census - have sent details of the Source Citations off-list. Marie Kerr ________________________________ From: "topoisomer@yahoo.com" <topoisomer@yahoo.com> To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 31 July, 2010 21:38:45 Subject: [DUR-NBL] Ancestry look up please A public tree member search for Mary Dolan brings up this: O'Gorman/Price Broeking Family Tree PUBLIC MEMBER TREE 4 attached records, 4 sources Mary Dolan BIRTH: Abt 1815 - Ireland SPOUSE: Thomas Dolan Is there SKS who could please have a quick look-see and let me know what the 4 records are. My PPV ancestry doesnt access this. Its a long shot...... Both names are correct as is year of birth of Mary..... Cheers Jack ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I did some research for a friend in Australia. NOTE ALL CHARGES ARE DOUBLED FOR NON RESIDENTS You can buy the rights to a grave for 50 years These are Gateshead Councils fees Purchase of exclusive rights to grave (50 year lease) £184.00 The above fees will be doubled for non-residents of Gateshead. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Memorial not exceeding 4 in height or 34wide £55.40 Memorials exceeding 4 but not 6 in height and up to 36 wide £107.10 Additional inscriptions/replacement memorial combined fee £13.90 Horizontal plaque placed between kerbstones not exceeding 30x 30 £38.90 Horizontal memorial on lawn section only not exceeding 2 deep by 26 wide £38.40 Kerbstones or border stones enclosing a space of 36 wide not exceeding 8 long £103.50 Half kerbs on lawn section £74.70 Placing of a vase, tablet or flower stand (unfixed) £12.80 Annual planting of grave space lawn sections £18.40 Annual planting of grave space general sections £45.30 Registering transfer of grave ownership £14.90 All fees double for non-residents of Gateshead, unless the exclusive rights have been purchased in a Gateshead address. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of topoisomer@yahoo.com Sent: 31 July 2010 18:03 To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Purchasing a grave "out of common" Hi all, Has anyone ever done this in England? "Common Graves (Unpurchased): The City retains control of the burials in these graves. Burial Law used to require a 14 year interval between successive burials in these graves (unless the deceased were from the same family). This law has since been repealed, but the above practice has been continued. It is unlikely that there will be any form of memorial on these graves. It is possible to purchase a grave 'out of common' and hence be allowed to erect a headstone" Any experiences to share? Cheers as always Jack
> It is possible to purchase a grave 'out of common' and hence be allowed to > erect a headstone" > Jack In 1931 my grandfather was buried in All Saints Cemetery, Newcastle and it was not until 1942 that my grandmother purchased the plot. A memorial was erected the following year. We discovered that in 1917 a woman, unknown to the family, was buried in the same plot. The time difference between burials was 14 years 1 month 29 days. This has to have been a common grave that has been purchased. It does appear to be slightly cheaper than other plots bought at a similar time so perhaps there was a discount for it having been used previously. Richard
A public tree member search for Mary Dolan brings up this: O'Gorman/Price Broeking Family Tree PUBLIC MEMBER TREE 4 attached records, 4 sources Mary Dolan BIRTH: Abt 1815 - Ireland SPOUSE: Thomas Dolan Is there SKS who could please have a quick look-see and let me know what the 4 records are. My PPV ancestry doesnt access this. Its a long shot...... Both names are correct as is year of birth of Mary..... Cheers Jack
Hi all, Has anyone ever done this in England? "Common Graves (Unpurchased): The City retains control of the burials in these graves. Burial Law used to require a 14 year interval between successive burials in these graves (unless the deceased were from the same family). This law has since been repealed, but the above practice has been continued. It is unlikely that there will be any form of memorial on these graves. It is possible to purchase a grave 'out of common' and hence be allowed to erect a headstone" Any experiences to share? Cheers as always Jack
I am trying to trace a marriage between William Marley (alias Marlow) and Jane Reay (Wray) I think it may have taken place around 1860/64 in Hartlepool as their Son was born in 1864 @ 6 Hart Street Hartlepool on the 1871 census I have found them @ Butler Street Hartlepool. Jane's father was Christopher and her mother Jane nee Harrison. Any help would be much appreciated Thank you Lynda
Just to say thank-you for to Ruth for her informative response to my query. Marie Kerr ________________________________ From: Ruth <orange.wasps@live.co.uk> To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 29 July, 2010 22:45:01 Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Died Intestate The letters of Administration (known as an "admon") would just show the value of the estate and the person to whom probate was granted if it were post-1858. Prior to 1858 you might be lucky enough to get an inventory of the deceased's goods and chattels. -- Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket" On 29/07/2010 21:58, MARIE KERR wrote: > Slightly off list topic but I have an ancestor who died intestate and am told > one of his children was granted letters of administation or probate.Am >wondering > if it would be worthwhile applying for a copy? Would details of the estate be > shown or just the name of the person receiving the grant? > Thank-you > Marie Kerr > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The letters of Administration (known as an "admon") would just show the value of the estate and the person to whom probate was granted if it were post-1858. Prior to 1858 you might be lucky enough to get an inventory of the deceased's goods and chattels. -- Ruth in Hambledon, Hampshire "The Cradle of Cricket" On 29/07/2010 21:58, MARIE KERR wrote: > Slightly off list topic but I have an ancestor who died intestate and am told > one of his children was granted letters of administation or probate.Am wondering > if it would be worthwhile applying for a copy? Would details of the estate be > shown or just the name of the person receiving the grant? > Thank-you > Marie Kerr > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
First of all Thank You to 'topoisomer' and 'gen listlass' for further suggestions etc. On burial record it states 'abode Felling Shore'. Would there have been a paper for that area? I have looked at a map and see that it isn't far from Heworth and was wondering if it would have been reported in a newspaper closer to Felling Shore rather than the Newcastle ones. Kind Regards Mary Australia From: Mary Hart <mahart@westnet.com.au> > Subject: [DUR-NBL] which newspoaper for inquest report? > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010, 7:20 > Hello Listers > I am searching for my 3xggrandfather Edward McGrath. > > I found a burial for an Edward McGrath on DUR Online > Indexes and purchased the information. I then purchased the > death certificate in the hope it would give me the name of > informant as his wife or a member of his family, which I > would recognise, but to my surprise it stated this Edward > was found drowned in River Tyne in 1844, noting body found > 24th September and death registered by coroner 25th > September 1844. So I still don't know if he is 'my' Edward. > The registration dstrict on certificate is 'Gateshead > Union', sub district 'Heworth' > > Would someone be able to tell me if it was likely to have > been reported in a newspaper back in 1844 and if so which > newspaper and if that newspaper has an online search > facility. > > Kind Regards > Mary > Australia
Slightly off list topic but I have an ancestor who died intestate and am told one of his children was granted letters of administation or probate.Am wondering if it would be worthwhile applying for a copy? Would details of the estate be shown or just the name of the person receiving the grant? Thank-you Marie Kerr
Hi Mary Al members of the new Newcastle Library have online access to the archives of several newspapers including the Newcastle Courant and The Times. I searched for "Edward McGrath", "coroner", "drowned" etc but there were no hits for Edward being drowned at that date. There was an extract about an Edward McGrath who was transported from Durham prison for 20 years. That was a few years later. Is there any possibility this could be your man? Was he "missing, presumed dead" ? Gen in NBL > I found a burial for an Edward McGrath on DUR Online Indexes and purchased the information. I then purchased the death certificate in the hope it would give me the name of informant as his wife or a member of his family, which I would recognise, but to my surprise it stated this Edward was found drowned in River Tyne in 1844, noting body found 24th September and death registered by coroner 25th September 1844. So I still don't know if he is 'my' Edward. > The registration dstrict on certificate is 'Gateshead Union', sub district 'Heworth'
Hello Listers I am searching for my 3xggrandfather Edward McGrath. I found a burial for an Edward McGrath on DUR Online Indexes and purchased the information. I then purchased the death certificate in the hope it would give me the name of informant as his wife or a member of his family, which I would recognise, but to my surprise it stated this Edward was found drowned in River Tyne in 1844, noting body found 24th September and death registered by coroner 25th September 1844. So I still don't know if he is 'my' Edward. The registration dstrict on certificate is 'Gateshead Union', sub district 'Heworth' Would someone be able to tell me if it was likely to have been reported in a newspaper back in 1844 and if so which newspaper and if that newspaper has an online search facility. Kind Regards Mary Australia
You can see all posts in the archives at http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/DUR-NBL.html. Although since you multiple posted it could be any of the other lists. Stan Mapstone On 27 July 2010 23:55, john robson <rieverjohn@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: > In a mail earlier this month a lister mentioned a book about > Armstrong Whitworth, I thought I had flagged the article for > later attention but I can't find it. > Could that kind person send me a copy of that mail or details about the > book > please. > My father was apprenticed to Armstrongs in 1917 and in the information I > received from TWAS the last line was: > REMARKS: Was 250 A/G Gosforth > > John Robson > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear all, I have received the information from the apprentice indenture. My thanks to Raymond for his kind help. I write this, because knowing the generosity of list members, I'm sure some others had also made a note of my request against a future visit. Regards, Adi --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> wrote: Dear all, Is there anyone here who will be visiting Durham Record Office in the near future and would be willing to look up an apprentice indenture for me? I have the reference number from the catalogue and it is one parchment. I'll give details offlist if anyone volunteers. Regards, Adi
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/wwwfileroot/libraries/Localnewspapersmainbody.pdf There are 3 newspapers that cover that time in Newcastle (UK) civic centre family history centre. Let me know if you want a look up as its really close to me, and if you have any more details. Via email if you prefer Cheers Jack --- On Wed, 28/7/10, Mary Hart <mahart@westnet.com.au> wrote: > From: Mary Hart <mahart@westnet.com.au> > Subject: [DUR-NBL] which newspoaper for inquest report? > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, 28 July, 2010, 7:20 > Hello Listers > I am searching for my 3xggrandfather Edward McGrath. > > I found a burial for an Edward McGrath on DUR Online > Indexes and purchased the information. I then purchased the > death certificate in the hope it would give me the name of > informant as his wife or a member of his family, which I > would recognise, but to my surprise it stated this Edward > was found drowned in River Tyne in 1844, noting body found > 24th September and death registered by coroner 25th > September 1844. So I still don't know if he is 'my' Edward. > The registration dstrict on certificate is 'Gateshead > Union', sub district 'Heworth' > > Would someone be able to tell me if it was likely to have > been reported in a newspaper back in 1844 and if so which > newspaper and if that newspaper has an online search > facility. > > Kind Regards > Mary > Australia > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
In a mail earlier this month a lister mentioned a book about Armstrong Whitworth, I thought I had flagged the article for later attention but I can't find it. Could that kind person send me a copy of that mail or details about the book please. My father was apprenticed to Armstrongs in 1917 and in the information I received from TWAS the last line was: REMARKS: Was 250 A/G Gosforth John Robson ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email
Janie, I can't help directly, but................................ My grandfather also trained for the Methodist ministry. Many years ago I tracked down his training record in an old book/register held at the University of Manchester, John Rylands Library, Special Collections section in Deansgate, Manchester. I found the librarians most helpful. They have many old Wesleyan and Methodist records. See; http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/ I knew he hadn't completed the training, but had gone on to be a very active lay preacher. I was fascinated to see the record and only regret it had taken me so long to find it that I only made basic notes, although I don't think the book said any more.. Today I'd have found a way to copy it, but that wasn't allowed then. More records were available, including lists of all Methodist ministers at the time of the union in 1932. I wrote "1897 training for Methodist Ministry Chester-le-Street Circuit. Candidate 89. Described as lay agent. 7 years in Society. 3.75 years local preacher. Not married. Education, elementary, Health unsatisfactory. Offer - general. Didn't complete final exams. Declined on the ground of health." Apparently he had flat feet and other issues which also helped him avoid the First World War - yet he lived an active life of 80 years! He grew up in Warrington and worked as a grocer's boy/assistant. After his failure in Chester-le-Street he seems to have gone back to Warrington, but then popped up in Fareham, Hampshire as a timber salesman. He married the bosses daughter, probably because he was friendly with his eldest son, also a Methodist lay preacher and son-in-law of Methodist Rev Mole. By 1907 my grandparents had moved to Jesmond where he continued as a lay preacher in the Brunswick circuit until after the 2nd War, based at Jesmond Methodist in Clayton Road. My grandmother was training to be a missionary in London in 1891; presumably home missions! They were great campaigners in the Temperance movement so would have their work cut out in the heavy drinking north! My grandfather walked or cycled to the chapels in the South-east Northumberland coal field, rather than taking a bus on the Sabbath. Apparently his sermons sometimes got cries of "hear, hear" from members of the congregation. He may have been a Liberal heckler at Tory political meetings. You may be lucky and at least find his training record. You may be luckier still as I feel sure there will still be some records of his service in the Wesleyan/Methodist church. For starters try looking at Hill's Arrangement, but don't be put off by this page and the lists that don't record him; http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/specialcollections/collections/methodist/using/indexofministers/ Just because he isn't here doesn't mean the story is untrue. He may have left the ministry before his death. My grandfather isn't there either, but Rylands had the record. They may have more about your Abraham. Good luck. Chris Morgan Sheffield PS. My grandfather's brother went to Monrovia, Liberia as manager of the Bank of West Africa and died there in March 1915 as he prepared to sail home to enlist! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs Watson" <familytree29@hotmail.com> To: <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com>; <eng-durham-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Wesleyan Methodist Ministers in Durham > > I am researching Abraham Hall WALTON, born in Evenwood in 1883.In 1901, > Abraham was a grocer's assistant in Hartlepool, by 1911 he is a Wesleyan > Methodist Minister.Does anyone know if there was a Wesleyan College in > Durham where he might have trained, I would like to know when this was as > rumour has it he went as a Missionary to the Gold Coast (Ghana)Many > thanksJanie
Hi Robin, Many thanks for your reply. Interesting that John Knox comes into it, and folks from Berwickshire. It tends to support my supposition that it dealt with people from Scottish backgrounds, or at least from north of the border. Thanks again, Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy >> From: Robin McEwen-King [mailto:shetlandsheep@googlemail.com] On Behalf Of robin@scottishwool.com Sent: 27 July 2010 18:29 To: YvonnePurdy; DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Groat Market Meeting, Newcastle on Tyne On 27/07/2010 18:04, "YvonnePurdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > > I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has viewed the Groat Market Meeting > House records. We have seen some records (at TWAS) from a bit later when it was possibly the John Knox a church favoured by our folk coming from Berwickshire .. But see the discussion at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,321511.msg2022707.html Perhaps Stan can give us up to date insight. Regards Robin <<
Hi Boris, A lovely thought, but no, I don't think my Proctor side of the family was connected. William Proctor was a seafaring man. Kind regards, Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: Boris Atterby [mailto:m.n.atterby@btinternet.com] Sent: 26 July 2010 20:21 To: YvonnePurdy; DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Eliza Frances PROCTOR/Robert W SUMMERBELL; Sophia PROCTOR/William BAKER; Julia Frances PROCTOR/John William SCRIMGER Hi Yvonne, While we are talking of the FENWICKS and ARMSTRONG familys of Newcastle, are your PROCTOR's perhaps connected to the South Sheilds family company PROCTOR and GAMBLE? Just a thought while it seems to be a topic! Boris. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I never was in a gang of thieves; I never was guilty of any such thing in my life.' JAMES ATTERBY 29th April 1778, The Old Bailey.
I am researching Abraham Hall WALTON, born in Evenwood in 1883.In 1901, Abraham was a grocer's assistant in Hartlepool, by 1911 he is a Wesleyan Methodist Minister.Does anyone know if there was a Wesleyan College in Durham where he might have trained, I would like to know when this was as rumour has it he went as a Missionary to the Gold Coast (Ghana)Many thanksJanie See below for my research interests: CORNWALL: Hancock, Prynn DERBYSHIRE: Fox, Hawley, Kitson, Naylor, Salsbury, Shimmel, Skidmore DURHAM: Longstaff, Munn, Plews, Walton, Watson IRELAND, County Down: Munn NOTTS: Bower, Challens, Fox, Pitt, Smith NORFOLK: Daniels, Gotts, Grimes, Marshall, Slaughter, Wright YORKSHIRE Eland, Longstaff _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now