Hi Ray, I believe it is still possible to buy a short birth certificate for proof of identity purposes. John Robson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr Ray Morris" <morris.w@btconnect.com> To: <topoisomer@yahoo.com>; <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Stamps on reverse of 1914 birth certificate > This is the short version certificate for those who could not afford the > full version. My mother had one in 1922 as did her brother! Don't thisnbk > they isse these anymore > > Ray ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Section 30 of the 1874 Act stated that a registrar shall, upon demand made at the time of registering any birth by the person giving the information concerning the birth, and upon payment of a fee not exceeding three pence, give to such person a certificate under his hand, in the prescribed form, of having registered that birth. This was the Short Birth Certificate, as the Ordinary Certificate was 2s. 6d. as required by the 1836 Act. There was also a short 'Certificate of Birth' provided under the 'Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1947.' This was available from Monday 15th December 1947 and cost 6d.You can still get a Short birth Certificate from the local Registrars, although they are the same price as a full certificate. Stan Mapstone On 24 August 2010 11:56, Dr Ray Morris <morris.w@btconnect.com> wrote: > This is the short version certificate for those who could not afford the > full version.  My mother had one in 1922 as did her brother! Don't thisnbk > they isse these anymore > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <topoisomer@yahoo.com> > To: <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:31 AM > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Stamps on reverse of 1914 birth certificate > > >> Hi All, >> >> After a visit to my parents' home, I have access to the original documents >> I have previously only had access to, and ones I have not seen before. >> >> One is an original 1914 birth certificate, of a type have not seen in real >> life >> its this type, although this is not mine: >> http://www.mike-allen.org.uk/alf/bcert.htm >> >> However on closer inspection it has official stamps on the back. >> at what would be about 7 months of age, and 18 months of age, and one at >> some point between 9 and 21 months, (I can only make out the year.) >> The ink stamps are oval in nature, and have the day in DD/MMM/YYYY format >> with some writing round the outside. >> >> Might be "official <???> District" or "office <????> durham" >> >> One inkstamp to on the back I could understand, but three over two years? >> >> Any of the wise owls on this list have any ideas? >> >> Ta >> Jack >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is the short version certificate for those who could not afford the full version. My mother had one in 1922 as did her brother! Don't thisnbk they isse these anymore Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: <topoisomer@yahoo.com> To: <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Stamps on reverse of 1914 birth certificate > Hi All, > > After a visit to my parents' home, I have access to the original documents > I have previously only had access to, and ones I have not seen before. > > One is an original 1914 birth certificate, of a type have not seen in real > life > its this type, although this is not mine: > http://www.mike-allen.org.uk/alf/bcert.htm > > However on closer inspection it has official stamps on the back. > at what would be about 7 months of age, and 18 months of age, and one at > some point between 9 and 21 months, (I can only make out the year.) > The ink stamps are oval in nature, and have the day in DD/MMM/YYYY format > with some writing round the outside. > > Might be "official <???> District" or "office <????> durham" > > One inkstamp to on the back I could understand, but three over two years? > > Any of the wise owls on this list have any ideas? > > Ta > Jack > > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, After a visit to my parents' home, I have access to the original documents I have previously only had access to, and ones I have not seen before. One is an original 1914 birth certificate, of a type have not seen in real life its this type, although this is not mine: http://www.mike-allen.org.uk/alf/bcert.htm However on closer inspection it has official stamps on the back. at what would be about 7 months of age, and 18 months of age, and one at some point between 9 and 21 months, (I can only make out the year.) The ink stamps are oval in nature, and have the day in DD/MMM/YYYY format with some writing round the outside. Might be "official <???> District" or "office <????> durham" One inkstamp to on the back I could understand, but three over two years? Any of the wise owls on this list have any ideas? Ta Jack

Hi John, Boca Chica is probably unknown to most of the younger generation, there is nothing left at Cambois ("camus") to indicate its existence as the terrace which carried on the name was demolished in the 1960s. My father's generation were aware of it, especially as he was a miner who met other miners from Blyth and Cambois who mentioned the name, as seems usual with the "Geordie" dialect and miner's corruption of words this was usually referred to a "Boga Cheeky" or "Bogey Cheeky." As for salt pans (panns) - seems that nearly every village on the NE coast had them. Originally, these seemed to have been evaporation ponds but later large metal "pans" were employed which were heated with fires. Certainly, of the one I'm aware of at Amble there is still a large mound of cinder near where the salt pans were. "At this time (18th Century) there were also fourteen saltpans producing more than one thousand tons of salt each year. The making of salt in the 18th century was dogged by taxation. This taxation increased further during the Napoleonic wars to provide funds for the military. In 1825 the taxation of salt was abolished, but by this time the salt industry was in marked decline. The last saltpan was destroyed in 1876 and the industry ceased." [http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Blyth.htm]. Boca Chica appears on the 1865 OS 1st Series maps as Bogie Chique in the location of what is now the north end of Battleship Wharf. This "hemmel" of properties was the "original" Boca Chica, and may be the place in the engraving/print of the Northumberland Communities website (if not High Panns) http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007062FS.htm By 1895 the name applies to a terrace row to the north of the original site, with another terrace directly north (Bridge Street) and another directly to the east called Boathouse Terrace, there were some 46 properties in Boca Chica terrace and there is a well at the south end of the row called Bocachica Well. Sometime before or during the 2nd WW the tidal basin was extended so that the basin was directly behind the track/lane at the rear of Boca Chica terrace. Sometime after the mid 1960s Boca Chica was demolished although Bridge (Ridge) Street, directly north of here, was still there. As for the present day, West Bridge Street remains (a short terrace which was, not surprisingly, to the west of Bridge Street). Some of where Boca Chica terrace was is waste ground and some is a coal handling facility for coal being shipped out of the port (this is towards to north end of Battleship Wharf). This is the aerial view today - the centre cross is the north end of Battleship Wharf, this was the place where the "original" Boca Chica was (probably a hemmel of properties) and running parallel to the basin was where Boca Chica terrace was later: http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=55.140361&lon=-1.517231&z=16.5&r=0&src=msa As regards the origin of the name of Boca Chica at Cambois (this is taken from http://davidheyscollectionextra.com/page15.htm): "From "The History of Blyth from the Norman Conquest to the Present Day" (2nd Editions 1869) by John Wallace. The author tells a wonderful story about two seamen who saw navel action at the Battle of Cartagena de Indias (Columbia today) in South America in March of 1741. Having survived the battle the men made it home and of course told of their exploits (no doubt with many flourishes and embellishments) and their frequent mention of the name Boca Chica led to one of their companions jokingly naming where they lived as Boca Chica. It was immediately adopted by the locals and continued in use right up to the demolition of the colliery rows. Here is the exact wording from his book - '1745. About this time 'Boca Chica' received its outlandish name. Two seamen belonging to the place laid Bended on board a ship-of-war, under Admiral Vernon, at the seige of Cartagena, a seaport in South America, in 1741. The entrance to the harbour was termed Boca Chica (little mouth), and was defended by severl forts, the whole of which were taken by the British forces. Those seamen having returned home in recounting their exploits at the seige so frequently used the words Boca Chica, that one of their companions jocularly gave the name to the place of their residence; the new name took with the public, who at once adopted it, and to this day Boca Chica has continued to be the name of the northern portion of the Hign Pans.' " Cambios itself is an unusual name being of French origin, think I answered a question about this a few years on one of the forums but can't find it now. Cambois or Camboise (as it appears on some maps around 1900) is camwood wood or timber. Camwood (Baphia nitida) is a shrubby African sandalwood tree. The wood was used to make handles and the like by turning the wood on a lathe. However, the wood was mainly used as a source of dye. Morpeth itself had several tanneries up to the mid and late 19th Century of which wood and wood bark was used as a dye for the hide. Hope this is helpful. Regards Gary -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Buckley Sent: 10 August 2010 09:57 To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Boca chica and Cambois The area around Blyth and Bedlington is new territory for me. One of my ancestors William Prike sailed up from Cley in Norfolk and by 1851 was a mariner living in Boca Chica, Cambois. What is the local pronunciation of these interesting places? The Enumeration description for 1861 offers a clue, 'Bogie Cheekey'. Some of his census addresses were in High Pans (Panns). I understand that originally this was an area where salt was obtained through evaporation. Were houses built there subsequently? John Buckley from Lancaster (in the south) ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sir Edward Knatchbull's Act of 1722-3 — For Amending the Laws relating to the Settlement, Imployment and Relief of the Poor (9 Geo. I c.7) enabled workhouses to be set up by parishes either singly, or in combination with neighbouring parishes. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ I don't subscribe to the Northumbria list so don't know what replies you have had from there Stan Mapstone On 22 August 2010 12:49, gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Apparently there are records in DRO of a Woodside Poor House around 1769, > seeAccount book of overseers, including assessments of poor rate, receipts > and memoranda, 1745 – 1771 (EP/Ryt 7/1) > Paupers refused to go the the House but payments were made there. > I have several books on Ryton but there seems to be no mention of the > Woodside Poor House. It was probably located at Ryton Woodside but I cannot > find anything more about it. It precedes formal workhouses introduced after > the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834. However after googling around a bit, there > were several pre-Act workhouses in Exeter and Abingdon. > Anyone know anything about it? > > Gen in NBL > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apparently there are records in DRO of a Woodside Poor House around 1769, seeAccount book of overseers, including assessments of poor rate, receipts and memoranda, 1745 – 1771 (EP/Ryt 7/1) Paupers refused to go the the House but payments were made there. I have several books on Ryton but there seems to be no mention of the Woodside Poor House. It was probably located at Ryton Woodside but I cannot find anything more about it. It precedes formal workhouses introduced after the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834. However after googling around a bit, there were several pre-Act workhouses in Exeter and Abingdon. Anyone know anything about it? Gen in NBL

Hello site: I am trying to find Christopher Hindson, Born in Durham ( Easington ) in 1949. Mother Elsie Father William. At age 61 it is likely that he is alive. I have searched phone records as best I can from Canada but without success. Any suggestions as to where to look ? Thanks Stan

I found this amongst the Durham Durham Diocesan Records: "Proctors' papers for individual consistory court causes papers" online today. If your ancestors were a bit dull, check this. In between squabbling about tithes and church pews, there were charges of witchery, roguery (?), bigamy, whoredom(!) marrying clandestinely and even one divorce. http://reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ead/ddr/ddrproct.xml Gen in NBL

Hello listI am repeating a query I posted 10 years ago to no effect. It's time it had another airing?Can anyone pinpoint the site of Greenside Well, in Ryton parish for me about1773. I have two FENWICK ancestors both born there, noted in the Rytonbaptism register. They were well-to-do so presume a house of fair size.Later they gave addresses as Ryton Woodside but I don't know if it was thesame house. They did dot around a bit, living in Ryton village itself too,even later on.I know its a long time ago but some of you have wonderful memories:-)Gen in NBL

I have traced my roots down as far as Christopher Hindson, born 1949 in Durham. Mother Elsie and father William. I have been trying to find if he is still alive, but without success. Any ideas about how to do that? Thanks for any help Stan Golightly

Hi err ..candle ? The Durham Wills Project runs up to 1857 The Calendars of wills are for 1858 onwards when the Probate system became a Civil matter and cover all England and Wales The Calendars are organised alphabetically by year of probate So far Ancestry have 1861 to 1941 with a few small omissions which they say will be added in due course The Calendars are in effect an index to the wills , as an example of what you might find Probate Calendars 1904 PANGBOURNE George Lewis of 3 Tollington Park and of 15 to 17 Liverpool road Islington both in Middlesex died 15 December 1903 at 3 Tollington Place Probate London 19 January to Elizabeth Pangbourne widow and William Richard Pangbourne and James Pangbourne leather merchants Effects £8128 16s 2d There may be slightly more or less depending on the entry Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question but with regard to Brian's > post about the wills that are now available through Ancestry this last > week, are they different from the Durham University wills project that's > expecting to go online in 2010? Thanks

Sorry to ask what is probably a silly question but with regard to Brian's post about the wills that are now available through Ancestry this last week, are they different from the Durham University wills project that's expecting to go online in 2010? Thanks

To all those kind listers that tried to find the origin of the Badge I have,thankyou so very much for the time you took searching for me.Unfortunately nothing has turned up. I still have no idea what it is for. Tried out all suggestions eg Patent sites. My grandfather did go back to Hexham in 1937,so he must have got it then. Heather NZ

Hi Listers Please can anyone tell me what the word "DYER" means inregard to the following taken from ORD Pedigree,History of Northumberland. Abraham ORDs father John devised the Hole-house,dyer for him. Does it mean their occupation,or some legal term to do with the settle-ment of the house ?? Many thanks Heather NZ

Marriage Bonds and Allegations for various dates from 1580's to 1900 are available at http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#r=1;p=allCollections Stan mapstone

Hi All, Anyone ever heard of this in their research? Google has been most unhelpful. It might have been located near Bedford Place, Gateshead Many Thanks Jack

Wendel As you know I am realted to you through the two HUNTLEY ladies who married into the Melrose family - Isabella and Hannah. I wonder if F Matthew MELROSE b abt 1834 was in fact Matthew Robson MELROSE son of John and Hannah - whose birth I have in my data base as about 1835. Have you traced any other information about Matthew Robson? Heather > > I also have found a man named F. or Frank Matthew MELROSE, born abt. 1834, brought to the USA about 1839, he was living in > East Carroll Parish in northeast Louisana in the 1880 Federal Census. He operated a livery stable. A naturalization lists him > as born in Felton but I have not found his baptism record or who his parents are.. another mystery. > >

To the List: Many thanks to Dawn Webb for the images of the Chelsea Soldiers Hospital record for my James MELROSE. He did serve in the Royal Artillery, 3rd Batt. The enlistment date is given as 12 Mar 1778. Wounded at Charlestown, South Carolina, he lost a right arm and one eye. James was discharged on the 19th of April 1781. His occupation is listed as Stonemason. He was 21 years of age. James MELROSE came back to Felton in Northumberland, married Margaret ROBSON on 15 May 1783, and they had seven children. James MELROSE died 15 Aug 1833. Margaret died 7 Aug 1838. Their son, John MELROSE, was the father of Hugh Hudson MELROSE, my greatgrandfather, who emigrated to the USA in 1857. Another son of James and Margaret was Thomas MELROSE. He died in Dublin, Ireland, on 16 Feb 1834. That is written on a large MELROSE tombstone in the Felton churchyard. The first son of John MELROSE was a half-brother to my greatgrandfather, James MELROSE, born at Felton in 1813, had come to America in about 1833/34 and married and had one son, also named James W. MELROSE, at Canton, Fulton County, Illinois. Another brother, John MELROSE, emigrated to South Australia abt. 1849 and married Jeannet Williamson Wharrier, a widow. Perhaps, some descendants live in Australia today, I do not know. I also have found a man named F. or Frank Matthew MELROSE, born abt. 1834, brought to the USA about 1839, he was living in East Carroll Parish in northeast Louisana in the 1880 Federal Census. He operated a livery stable. A naturalization lists him as born in Felton but I have not found his baptism record or who his parents are.. another mystery. James MELROSE suffered his injury, of course, during our American Revolution. It is a bit of history to find that my MELROSE ancestor fought on the British side but I also have WYMER and PIPER ancestors on my mother's side that fought for freedom on the American side. I am still hoping to find some living MELROSE relations in the UK but have not found any in over 40 years of searching. Anyway, thank you, Dawn. Wendell H. Melrose wendelmelrose@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

Hi Carole By "old "family Search disk" do you mean PAF from the LDS ? If so you can download a new copy from familysearch or install it onto the new computer if you have the discs Either way the data is separate and you can copy that to an external hard drive with ease Plug in your hard drive to the old computer, open the PAF database you want , choose save as and navigate to the external hard drive, and save (with new name if required) Follow the safely remove hardware routine or close down Then move your external hard drive to the new computer When you have PAF installed on the new computer, open it and navigate to the external hard drive (or search for it) it should now open as you had it on the old PC If this is not what you mean could you give an explanation of what it is in more detail Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, i haven't been on the list for a long time but i'm hoping somebody can > help ! > > i have used the old "family Search disk to compile my family history > info. I want to remove it from my main computer which i am disgarding, > i'm hoping somebody can tell me how i can do this. I have bought a > portable hard drive, can i transfer it onto that. if not --what is the > best way to save my info ? > > Thanks > Carole Robinson