Now that is a possibility. Fenwick could become Vanneck especially when pronounced Fennick to someone who did not know the northern dialects. Carol -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stan Mapstone Sent: August-29-10 10:54 AM To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Vanneck According to entries in the International Genealogical Index - British Isles it is mainly a Suffolk name, although Vinnick is a variation of Fenwick which is a northern English habitation name. Stan mapstone On 29 August 2010 15:47, Steve <steveshistory2@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Perhaps it was from the individual who led that particular group ? > > http://www.vanneck.com/ > > Cheers > Steve > > On 29/08/2010 15:36, Roy and Carol Small wrote: > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Our area was settled by folks from Northumberland and Cumberland in the > > 1820s. The local community was called Vanneck. All that remains of that > > hamlet is Vanneck Church. I have been unable to find the origin of the > name, > > Vanneck. Often the early settlers named a community for a place - > village, > > property name - in their homeland. I was wondering if anyone on the list > has > > any idea from where the name Vanneck came. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Carol Small > > > > Ontario, Canada > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > To Post a message to this list send it to, > > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > List Web Page > > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good thought but only the Scott and Taylor names coincide with the names of the settlers. There are only one or two of those listed in the Vanneck family tree - and no one with the name Vanneck came here. Names associated with the community were Telfer, Robson, Ord, Baty/Batie, Charlton, Calvert, Caverhill, Scott. Carol -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: August-29-10 10:47 AM To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Vanneck Perhaps it was from the individual who led that particular group ? http://www.vanneck.com/ Cheers Steve On 29/08/2010 15:36, Roy and Carol Small wrote: > Hello, > > > > Our area was settled by folks from Northumberland and Cumberland in the > 1820s. The local community was called Vanneck. All that remains of that > hamlet is Vanneck Church. I have been unable to find the origin of the name, > Vanneck. Often the early settlers named a community for a place - village, > property name - in their homeland. I was wondering if anyone on the list has > any idea from where the name Vanneck came. > > > > Sincerely, > > Carol Small > > Ontario, Canada > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Joseph Greener born 1810 Low Felling Gate, baptised Heworth son of Joseph Greener and Ann Wood. Many of these Greeners and ancestors were baptised in Gateshead, lived in Felling and Heworth. I haven't followed up on this sibling to my ancestor to know what ever happened to him. Janis

Hello, I also descend from Joseph Greener and Elizabeth Laws and do have some information on the descendants. If you would email off list, together, we may be able to fill in some blanks. Sincerely Carol Small

Hello, Our area was settled by folks from Northumberland and Cumberland in the 1820s. The local community was called Vanneck. All that remains of that hamlet is Vanneck Church. I have been unable to find the origin of the name, Vanneck. Often the early settlers named a community for a place - village, property name - in their homeland. I was wondering if anyone on the list has any idea from where the name Vanneck came. Sincerely, Carol Small Ontario, Canada

Thanks, Gillian. Yes, I'd seen that one on the 1871 census -- a platelayer now! I still struggle to believe it's the same man. I'll search for the marriage and get the death cert -- see who signed it. John Lynch > Hi John, > > I can't help on the occupations but there is a likely Joseph on the > 1871 > Census in Gateshead. > > Joseph Greener Head 60 Platelayer,born Ryton > Mary Greener, Wife, 42, Born I think Corbridge but the beginning is a > little > unclear. > > I haven't found Joseph on the 1861 but the age on the 1871 fits so it > looks > as though he remarried. There's also a death registered March quarter > 1876 - Joseph Greener, 65, Gateshead district - Volume 10a Page 450

Hi John, I can't help on the occupations but there is a likely Joseph on the 1871 Census in Gateshead. Joseph Greener Head 60 Platelayer,born Ryton Mary Greener, Wife, 42, Born I think Corbridge but the beginning is a little unclear. I haven't found Joseph on the 1861 but the age on the 1871 fits so it looks as though he remarried. There's also a death registered March quarter 1876 - Joseph Greener, 65, Gateshead district - Volume 10a Page 450 Hope this is of some help. Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "John the Genes" <john_the_genes@btinternet.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] One man, three occupations > Joseph Greener was born in 1810 (From the Ryton Parish Register: 23 Sept > 1810 Baptism of Joseph Greener born April 29 1810 at Chopwell Greenhead > 1st > son of John Greener, farmer, native of this parish by his wife Elizabeth > Laws native of this parish). > > > > So, his father was a farmer. There were two sons who were older than > Joseph > as well as a daughter and another son who were younger. > > > > In 1841 he is described as an Inn Keeper. In the 1851 Census he is a > Railway > Guard Luggage Train. And when his daughter Ann marries George Smith on 22 > February 1857 he is described under "Rank or Profession of Father" as a > Butcher. By 1861 he has disappeared - presumably dead, though I haven't > yet > found his death. > > > > My first reaction was that there was more than one Joseph Greener and I'd > missed the other(s). But I can't find another Joseph Greener of anything > like the same age. Before I go on looking, can I please have an opinion > from > Those Who Know: is it likely that one man would have had three such varied > occupations in 17 years in the first half of the 19th Century? > > -- > > John Lynch > > > > > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joseph Greener was born in 1810 (From the Ryton Parish Register: 23 Sept 1810 Baptism of Joseph Greener born April 29 1810 at Chopwell Greenhead 1st son of John Greener, farmer, native of this parish by his wife Elizabeth Laws native of this parish). So, his father was a farmer. There were two sons who were older than Joseph as well as a daughter and another son who were younger. In 1841 he is described as an Inn Keeper. In the 1851 Census he is a Railway Guard Luggage Train. And when his daughter Ann marries George Smith on 22 February 1857 he is described under "Rank or Profession of Father" as a Butcher. By 1861 he has disappeared - presumably dead, though I haven't yet found his death. My first reaction was that there was more than one Joseph Greener and I'd missed the other(s). But I can't find another Joseph Greener of anything like the same age. Before I go on looking, can I please have an opinion from Those Who Know: is it likely that one man would have had three such varied occupations in 17 years in the first half of the 19th Century? -- John Lynch

Whilst going through a box of old documents and papers I purchased at an auction recently, I came across a memorial card for the person above. It says he was accidentally killed at Snows Green, Shotley Bridge on 30 August 1914 at age 66 years. He has no connection to my own family, but being intrigued by this, I wonder if anyone has this man in their family and can tell me how how died please? >From thw wording on the card, he was clealy very loved by his family, and if anyone wants further details from the card, or a scan of it, please contact me off list. Thank you. Tracy

Whilst going through a box of old documents and papers I purchased at an auction recently, I came across a memorial card for the person above. It says he was accidentally killed at Snows Green, Shotley Bridge on 30 August 1914 at age 66 years. He has no connection to my own family, but being intrigued by this, I wonder if anyone has this man in their family and can tell me how how died please? >From thw wording on the card, he was clealy very loved by his family, and if anyone wants further details from the card, or a scan of it, please contact me off list. Thank you. Tracy

Hi Heather Why not order one either from the office it was registered at or from the GRO ? As I said before short certificates are still issued at the same price as the full one Stan Mapstone On 24 August 2010 19:29, The Quineys <ftree@quineyclan.force9.co.uk> wrote: > Our elder son only has a short certificate ... and he was born 1998. By > the time our other son was born, I realised the benefits of the > long/full certificate and insisted that he be issued with that one. > Only wish that I had a long/full one for our first son. > Heather > > > > Steve wrote: > > Evening all. > > > > Short form certificates were still issued at least up to 1984, as I have > > one for my son as well as the full one. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > Cheers > > Steve > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Our elder son only has a short certificate ... and he was born 1998. By the time our other son was born, I realised the benefits of the long/full certificate and insisted that he be issued with that one. Only wish that I had a long/full one for our first son. Heather Steve wrote: > Evening all. > > Short form certificates were still issued at least up to 1984, as I have > one for my son as well as the full one. > > > <snip> > > Cheers > Steve > >

A new short form of birth certificate was introduced on 15th December 1947, provided under the Births and Deaths Registration Act, 1947, costing 6d. It showed only the name and surname, sex, date of birth and (where possible) place of birth. There were no particulars of parentage or adoption. There had been a mistaken idea that the short certificate carried with it the stigma of illegitimacy, but that had almost entirely disappeared, and it was now in extensive use. The Times reported in September 1955 that the National Council for the Unmarried Mother and her child had been able to help a number of illegitimate people of pensionable age, who had been reluctant to produce a birth certificate, by making them aware of the new short certificate. In 1955 almost as many short as full certificates were being issued, every year, by Somerset House and local registrars. Stan Mapstone

Evening all. Short form certificates were still issued at least up to 1984, as I have one for my son as well as the full one. To the original question, I have one original short form birth certificate, for my mother, which was stamped on the back with an oval stamp Received 21 OCT 1952 Evidence The 2 words being in the top and bottom borders of the oval. And I have just looked again at the front of the certificate and realised that although Mam was born in 1920, the certificate was issued by the Superintendent Registrar in 1949. I wonder why? Cheers Steve On 24/08/2010 18:46, Patrick Williams wrote: > Hi Kevin > > A very interesting comment of yours re adoption, in 1969 short certificates > only were issued after the legal adoption process, this was certainly the > case when we went through it and as far as I am aware the original full > certificate has many restrictions placed on it. > > Our son has never had problems with any OFFICAL documents only petty > jobsworth's have made life difficult. > > I also do not have a long certificate but that was probably cost during > wartime. > > Regards > > Patrick Williams > > > > >> A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official >> documents such as passports, driving licences and job applications. I did >> point out that short birth certificates can be obtained from the local >> registrar, not the GRO, for the same price as a standard certificate. >> >> Stan Mapstone >> > > That's interesting to read because I've never had a long certificate and yet > > I have a passport and driving licence! > > I've always joked with my parents that I could be adopted as my birth > certificate doesn't state who my parents are - only when and where I was > born. My dad registered my birth in North Tyneside and doesn't remember > being told there was a short or long certificate, and it wasn't because of > the cost... > > It's ironic that I've bought over 100 BMD certificates, yet I've never > bothered buying my own. > > Kevin > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Kevin A very interesting comment of yours re adoption, in 1969 short certificates only were issued after the legal adoption process, this was certainly the case when we went through it and as far as I am aware the original full certificate has many restrictions placed on it. Our son has never had problems with any OFFICAL documents only petty jobsworth's have made life difficult. I also do not have a long certificate but that was probably cost during wartime. Regards Patrick Williams > A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official > documents such as passports, driving licences and job applications. I did > point out that short birth certificates can be obtained from the local > registrar, not the GRO, for the same price as a standard certificate. > > Stan Mapstone That's interesting to read because I've never had a long certificate and yet I have a passport and driving licence! I've always joked with my parents that I could be adopted as my birth certificate doesn't state who my parents are - only when and where I was born. My dad registered my birth in North Tyneside and doesn't remember being told there was a short or long certificate, and it wasn't because of the cost... It's ironic that I've bought over 100 BMD certificates, yet I've never bothered buying my own. Kevin

Although it does say in large red letters; > Warning: This Certificate is not evidence of the Identity of the Person > Presenting It. > > Stan Mapstone > It doesn't say that on mine. Although all the of printing on the certificate is in red! Perhaps things were different in 1969. Kevin

It could be that security has been tightened up recently, and the requirements changed. Although it does say in large red letters; Warning: This Certificate is not evidence of the Identity of the Person Presenting It. Stan Mapstone On 24 August 2010 16:44, Kevin Fairless <kevinfairless@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote: > > > A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official > > documents such as passports, driving licences and job applications. I did > > point out that short birth certificates can be obtained from the local > > registrar, not the GRO, for the same price as a standard certificate. > > > > Stan Mapstone > > > That's interesting to read because I've never had a long certificate and > yet > I have a passport and driving licence! > > I've always joked with my parents that I could be adopted as my birth > certificate doesn't state who my parents are - only when and where I was > born. My dad registered my birth in North Tyneside and doesn't remember > being told there was a short or long certificate, and it wasn't because of > the cost... > > It's ironic that I've bought over 100 BMD certificates, yet I've never > bothered buying my own. > > Kevin > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official > documents such as passports, driving licences and job applications. I did > point out that short birth certificates can be obtained from the local > registrar, not the GRO, for the same price as a standard certificate. > > Stan Mapstone That's interesting to read because I've never had a long certificate and yet I have a passport and driving licence! I've always joked with my parents that I could be adopted as my birth certificate doesn't state who my parents are - only when and where I was born. My dad registered my birth in North Tyneside and doesn't remember being told there was a short or long certificate, and it wasn't because of the cost... It's ironic that I've bought over 100 BMD certificates, yet I've never bothered buying my own. Kevin

A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official documents such as passports, driving licences and job applications. I did point out that short birth certificates can be obtained from the local registrar, not the GRO, for the same price as a standard certificate. Stan Mapstone On 24 August 2010 15:05, john robson <rieverjohn@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, > I believe it is still possible to buy a short birth certificate for proof > of > identity purposes. > > John Robson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Ray Morris" <morris.w@btconnect.com> > To: <topoisomer@yahoo.com>; <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Stamps on reverse of 1914 birth certificate > > > > This is the short version certificate for those who could not afford the > > full version. My mother had one in 1922 as did her brother! Don't > thisnbk > > they isse these anymore > > > > Ray > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A standard (full) certificate is required when applying for official documents such as passports, driving licences and job. Stan On 24 August 2010 15:05, john robson <rieverjohn@mypostoffice.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Ray, > I believe it is still possible to buy a short birth certificate for proof > of > identity purposes. > > John Robson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dr Ray Morris" <morris.w@btconnect.com> > To: <topoisomer@yahoo.com>; <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Stamps on reverse of 1914 birth certificate > > > > This is the short version certificate for those who could not afford the > > full version. My mother had one in 1922 as did her brother! Don't > thisnbk > > they isse these anymore > > > > Ray > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >