Many triplets seem to die or at least the weaker ones did, back then. I've not seen any information as to how long the triplets needed to survive before they got the bounty but if the parents had already received it, I suppose they weren't asked to return the cash. They would need it for the burial fees! Gen in NBL UK > From: elp@northwestel.net > To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:07:31 -0800 > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] the triplets > > >From checking Free BMD it seems the triplets died soon after birth (all registered in the Dec quarter of 1887) so I don't suppose poor Mr and Mrs Riches got their 'Queen's bounty' > > Elizabeth Pugh > Yukon, Canada > > my ancestors in Northumberland/Durham were > ARMSTRONG > RITSON > WILSON > HUNTER > WIGHAM > SURTEES > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From checking Free BMD it seems the triplets died soon after birth (all registered in the Dec quarter of 1887) so I don't suppose poor Mr and Mrs Riches got their 'Queen's bounty' Elizabeth Pugh Yukon, Canada my ancestors in Northumberland/Durham were ARMSTRONG RITSON WILSON HUNTER WIGHAM SURTEES

Hi, many thanks to Jenny ,Heather, Karen ,Dawn, & Keith . You have all given me something's to think over ,for years I have tried to find her birth /baptism Here is what I have on this name Marriage of Henry the name is down as Sotrine who married a Sarah Wilson in Sunderland . The name of Henry`s father is William Sotrine On both of the deaths certificate`s the name is Southry of Henry & Sarah. Children I have found ,births & Marriages The names are, first child is down as Sautreet, next child is Southry, next child Southry , next one Southery. all born Sunderland Mary Ellen (who never so far as I know ) used her first name On her marriage she is down as Ellen Southroy this was in 1862 ,I did find her in 1871, but then she went on to remarry twice more after my great grand father died age 37, so next census`s she is down under her new names I have Henry`s ,wife & children on census 1861,1871,1881, 1901 ,apart from Ellen . Perhaps as you all have said she may have been born out of wedlock ,perhaps her mother was not Sarah Wilson , She is the only one I need to complete this family tree ,perhaps I need to resign myself to never finding her birth Oh what a tangle web our ancestors leave to us doing the research I did take into account the different spellings over this name ,and perhaps they had no documents to tell them the correct spelling also dialect comes into it Like on Ellen`s second marriage the name looked as Mofs but it was Moss Sorry to have gone on a bit ,but again many thanks for the help & time you have given Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <HKGordon37@aol.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 20 > Doris, > > Are you sure about the spelling of Mary Ellen's father's name ? You say he > was a Frenchman, called Henry Sontrin. I have just checked with the French > equivalent of genealogy.com and in their data base (280 million persons) I > can find no trace whatsoever of anyone called SONTRIN (which doesn't look > right, as a French name, to start with). I tried SOUTRIN, with zero > results; > but SUTRIN produced two results - one was a wedding in a church just down > the road from where I live, in Lyons. > > Regards, > > Keith Gordon. > > > In a message dated 20/02/2011 09:07:31 Paris, Madrid, > dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to > DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. birth (john harker) > 2. Re: birth (Jan Boyes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:43:53 -0000 > From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006a01cbd04b$d1545280$50e76251@mee37fe71529a6> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello > have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no avail. > Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction ,any help > greatly appreciated > Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name > Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder > Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of birth > about 1845 > Many thanks for any information > Doris, membership number 6933 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:08:45 -0000 > From: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > To: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>, <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5920A1BE28DB49C5A9B09A21DA6A34EC@JanisPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Doris, > I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. > > Births Jun 1845 > LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 > > Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the > right hand side of the entry. > Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. > > Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type > their > > christian names > Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. > Then underneath her is > Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth > > As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen > Penley > LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. > I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, > should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY > (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) > > I might well be barking up the wrong tree. > Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see > what > you think. > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> > To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM > Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > > >> Hello >> have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no >> avail. >> Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction >> ,any help greatly appreciated >> Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name >> Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat >> builder >> Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date > of >> birth about 1845 >> Many thanks for any information >> Doris, membership >> number 6933 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to > DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 20 > ************************************** > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From 1849 there was a payment of one guinea for each child of a multiple birth above two. The grants were begun by Queen Victoria in 1849, after a visit to Ireland, "to enable the parents to meet sudden expenses thrown upon them". To qualify, the births had to be live and in wedlock, and the parents British subjects. A further condition, until 1938, was that the parents had to be "in necessitous circumstances". The payment of the bounty lasted until 1957, by which time the amount had greatly declined in value. Apparently between 1936 and 1957, payments were made to 19 sets of quads and 1,451 sets of triplets. The parents had to apply to the Privy Council for the "King's Bounty" when the children were born. There were instances of parents claiming this bounty by inventing births which had not in fact occurred. Stan On 21 February 2011 08:19, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > There was a bounty, which was a payment of one guinea for each child > of a multiple birth above two. There were instances of parents > claiming > this bounty by inventing births which had not in fact occurred. > > Stan > > > On 21 February 2011 06:46, gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Interesting snippet from the Newcastle Courant - Friday, October 28, 1887; Issue 11102“JarrowTriplets – Late on Tuesday evening, Mrs Wm. Riches, wife of a chemical labourer, living at 34 Sheldon Street, Jarrow, was safely delivered of three sons, all of whom, with their mother are doing well. Dr Johnstone Weir, on Mrs Riches’ behalf, purposes making application for the Queens bounty.”Gen in Northumberland UK >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

There was a bounty, which was a payment of one guinea for each child of a multiple birth above two. There were instances of parents claiming this bounty by inventing births which had not in fact occurred. Stan On 21 February 2011 06:46, gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Interesting snippet from the Newcastle Courant - Friday, October 28, 1887; Issue 11102“JarrowTriplets – Late on Tuesday evening, Mrs Wm. Riches, wife of a chemical labourer, living at 34 Sheldon Street, Jarrow, was safely delivered of three sons, all of whom, with their mother are doing well. Dr Johnstone Weir, on Mrs Riches’ behalf, purposes making application for the Queens bounty.”Gen in Northumberland UK >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Interesting snippet from the Newcastle Courant - Friday, October 28, 1887; Issue 11102“JarrowTriplets – Late on Tuesday evening, Mrs Wm. Riches, wife of a chemical labourer, living at 34 Sheldon Street, Jarrow, was safely delivered of three sons, all of whom, with their mother are doing well. Dr Johnstone Weir, on Mrs Riches’ behalf, purposes making application for the Queens bounty.”Gen in Northumberland UK

I looked on findmypast and agree with Jenny. I did not see another given name on 1841, mind you. He appears with a family who seems totally unrelated - a boarder perhaps, or maybe Mr Brown is who he is apprenticed to? and the 20 years old bit is probably wrong, given he is over 15 and they rounded ages in the 1841 census. Maybe you could research apprentice records of the period and area, IF they exist. I did not find him in the 1851 census though suspecting the name may be wrong in 1841 does not help! Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny De Angelis Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2011 11:49 PM To: Jan Boyes; john harker; DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth (Made a poss. breakthrough) Hi Doris, Apologies for the length of this message but I wanted it to make some sort of sense. I have just made a possible breakthrough that might be of use to you. I looked at the 1841 census and found the following entry. Reg. HO107 piece 296 book 2 folio 1 page 6 Morpeth North Blyth. Auster Soutry age 20 occ. Boat Bdr. Ap. born F. The first name of this man looks like Austin to me but could be something else. Aristin/on, for example, or even Cristi(a)n or something similar. Auster is how Ancestry have the name transcribed in their index. Perhaps Henry was his middle name and he preferred to use it. Maybe ancestry have the first name completely wrong, though on the image it doesn't look anything like Henry. But this man in 1841 has the occupation of Boat Builder, apprentice and was born Foreign and the surname certainly looks very similar to Soutry. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5890 (20110220) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi again - with an apology, sorry I re read the posts about the birth index and realise you were saying perhaps the original transcriber made the error. Sorry for that. Heather > From: deanh61@hotmail.co.uk > To: dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 20:52:31 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > > > Hi, I thought I'd give my tuppenceworth on this. > > Looking at the birth index that was mentioned earlier - if you read down the page and onto the following pages you will see that it is in fact an L and not an S so the name is Lowry in this instance - it goes Lowry, loyd, lucas etc, I know it does look like they are S. So this doesnt seem to be the birth. > > The family I have been looking at are Henry and Sarah Southry (as you say, various spellings) liviing in Bishopwearmouth. He is a boatbuilder born in France. > > They are to be found in 1851 transcribed as Southall and have a brother in law with them called Samuel Wilson. This made me search for a marriage of Henry to Sarah Ann Wilson - and I found one to Henry Sotrine which is pretty close to the name Doris gives as her Great Grandmother's father. This marriage is in 1848 though - and they do not have a Mary with them in any of the census I've found. Of course she could be elswhere and if she is their daughter then perhaps she was born later than 1845 - or was illegitamate and perhaps registered as Wilson - or perhaps she could have a different mother altogether and the mother never married Henry Sotrin/e? > > Of course I could have the wrong family altogether - but he is a boatbuilder born in France and the marriage in 1848 does give the names Sotrine and Wilson. > > Hope I havent confused anyone. > > Heather > > > > > From: john.harker@ntlworld.com > > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:43:53 +0000 > > Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > > > > Hello > > have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no avail. > > Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction ,any help greatly appreciated > > Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name > > Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder > > Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of birth about 1845 > > Many thanks for any information > > Doris, membership number 6933 > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > To Post a message to this list send it to, > > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > List Web Page > > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I thought I'd give my tuppenceworth on this. Looking at the birth index that was mentioned earlier - if you read down the page and onto the following pages you will see that it is in fact an L and not an S so the name is Lowry in this instance - it goes Lowry, loyd, lucas etc, I know it does look like they are S. So this doesnt seem to be the birth. The family I have been looking at are Henry and Sarah Southry (as you say, various spellings) liviing in Bishopwearmouth. He is a boatbuilder born in France. They are to be found in 1851 transcribed as Southall and have a brother in law with them called Samuel Wilson. This made me search for a marriage of Henry to Sarah Ann Wilson - and I found one to Henry Sotrine which is pretty close to the name Doris gives as her Great Grandmother's father. This marriage is in 1848 though - and they do not have a Mary with them in any of the census I've found. Of course she could be elswhere and if she is their daughter then perhaps she was born later than 1845 - or was illegitamate and perhaps registered as Wilson - or perhaps she could have a different mother altogether and the mother never married Henry Sotrin/e? Of course I could have the wrong family altogether - but he is a boatbuilder born in France and the marriage in 1848 does give the names Sotrine and Wilson. Hope I havent confused anyone. Heather > From: john.harker@ntlworld.com > To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:43:53 +0000 > Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > > Hello > have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no avail. > Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction ,any help greatly appreciated > Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name > Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder > Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of birth about 1845 > Many thanks for any information > Doris, membership number 6933 > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Dawn & Doris, I tried to find the same man called Soutry in 1851 too, I tried all sorts of spellings and used the Soundex button on the Ancestry site but the only entry I found for this man was the 1841 census entry. I even looked on FreeBMD for a death and a marriage of the surname, using all the variant spellings I could think of for just the surname, but nothing came up that seemed likely. I tried searching FreeBMD for the first name Auster/Austin and anything else I thought likely as an alternative, then looked at the resultant surnames to see if any were anything like Soutry, but nothing came up that looked promising. Soutry as spelt in that 1841 entry does seem very like the Southry that Doris says was the name of her Mary Ellen. If Mr. Soutry was French then given that the French do not pronounce the letter H, at least I don't think they do, so maybe Soutry was how the name sounded to the person filling out that 1841 census schedule. But then there is the question of the first name Auster, or something similar, in the 1841 entry, and what Doris says was the man's first name of Henry. If Doris can sort out those two birth entries that have been found on FreeBMD and get the certificate copy maybe that will throw more light on things, but if Mary Ellen was born illegitimately then it very likely will not. It is a puzzle. Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I looked on findmypast and agree with Jenny. I did not see another given name on 1841, mind you. He appears with a family who seems totally unrelated - a boarder perhaps, or maybe Mr Brown is who he is apprenticed to? and the 20 years old bit is probably wrong, given he is over 15 and they rounded ages in the 1841 census. I did not find him in the 1851 census though suspecting the name may be wrong in 1841 does not help!>>

On 19 February 2011 21:08, Jan Boyes <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi Doris, > I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. > > Births Jun 1845 > LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 > > Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the > right hand side of the entry. > Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. > > Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type their > christian names > Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. > Then underneath her is > Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth > > As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen Penley > LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. > I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, > should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY > (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) > > I might well be barking up the wrong tree. > Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see what > you think. > > Don't forget to notify FreeBMD so that they can consider making a correction to help other researchers! Karen

Hi Doris, Apologies for the length of this message but I wanted it to make some sort of sense. I have just made a possible breakthrough that might be of use to you. I looked at the 1841 census and found the following entry. Reg. HO107 piece 296 book 2 folio 1 page 6 Morpeth North Blyth. Auster Soutry age 20 occ. Boat Bdr. Ap. born F. The first name of this man looks like Austin to me but could be something else. Aristin/on, for example, or even Cristi(a)n or something similar. Auster is how Ancestry have the name transcribed in their index. Perhaps Henry was his middle name and he preferred to use it. Maybe ancestry have the first name completely wrong, though on the image it doesn't look anything like Henry. But this man in 1841 has the occupation of Boat Builder, apprentice and was born Foreign and the surname certainly looks very similar to Soutry. Remember that in 1841 census ages were rounded to down to nearest 5 years of all those aged 15 and over, so ages end in either 0 or 5, Born F signifies Born in Foreign Parts, not necessarily France. Could this man be the one thought to be the father of your Gt. Grandmother? I think Jan is on the right track. Looking at the image of the original GRO index page of that FreeBMD entry, it does look like Mary Ellen Sowry SOWRY, note 2 Sowry names, registered at Falmouth volume (illegible** Roman numerals were used at this time). The page number looks like 76 but I can't be sure. Note that Mary Ellen has the name Sowry as one of her middle names too, as well as her surname. Maybe the middle name Sowry should read Sontrin or Soutry?, but as it was perhaps a foreign name has been mis-transcribed too?. (** The volume number is too hard to read, but looking at the list of registration district numbers the volume number for Cornwall would have been IX at that time) Beneath is Hannah Penley Sowes(?) registered Tynemouth volume XXX? page hard to read but ends in a figure 4 and freeBMD have it as 414. (According to the listing on FreeBMD of the volume numbers for Counties, the volume number for Northumberland at this time should read XXV). I agree with Jan, in that the places of Registration have perhaps been tranposed by whoever made out that page of the GRO index and that Mary Ellen Sowry Sowry should be shown as registered in Tynemouth and Hannah Penley Sowes as registered in Falmouth, which is in Cornwall. At that time Tynemouth Registration District took in Blyth. All the names on that GRO index page begin with S so would not contain the surname Lowry anyway, as shown on FreeBMD. FreeBMD also seem to have taken the middle name of Hannah Penely Sowes, the name Penley, and given it to Mary Ellen Sowry Sowry. It's a proper muddle! If I were you I would contact the relevant local Registrars offices and ask each of them in turn about the entry for Mary Ellen Sowry Sowry registred in June Quarter of 1845 at Tynemouth. Tell them that the surname has other spellings including possibly Soutry and Sontrin, quote those other spellings in your e.mail and give the year and quarter as shown in the GRO index, and give her mothers name and any maiden name you have for her. Begin with the Northumberland Central office at Morpeth, then try North Tyneside at North Shields. You will find contact details of these offices, including e.mail addresses, by finding the entry of birth on FreeBMD for Mary Ellen and then clicking on the word Tynemouth that is hightlighted in blue in the result. At the bottom of the subsequent page are links to the different offices. These offices will not give you details of the entry, but they may clear up the problem of the spelling of the surname for you as there seems to be something odd about the GRO index entry. Failing that contact the office currently holding the ancient registers for Falmouth Cornwall. If you ask you may find that the offices will take credit card payment by telephone or letter, not usually on line. Hope this helps Regards Jenny DeAngelis Doris wrote in the first instance:- << Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of > birth about 1845>> Jan wrote in reply:- <<I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. Births Jun 1845 LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the right hand side of the entry. I'm only going to type their christian names Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. Then underneath her is Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen Penley LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY>>

Thanks for confirming my thoughts Gillian. Doris - hope it turns out to be the one you are looking for. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "r.smith45" <r.smith45@ntlworld.com> To: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com>; "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > Hi Jan, > > Have taken a look at the image and I agree with you that the transcriber > has mixed the two girls up and the original indexer may have mistaken the > 'S' for an 'L', so Sowry became Lowry!! Good luck Doris. > > Gillian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> > To: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > > >> Hi Doris, >> I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. >> >> Births Jun 1845 >> LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 >> >> Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the >> right hand side of the entry. >> Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. >> >> Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type >> their >> christian names >> Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. >> Then underneath her is >> Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth >> >> As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen >> Penley >> LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. >> I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, >> should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY >> (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) >> >> I might well be barking up the wrong tree. >> Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see >> what >> you think. >> >> Jan >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> >> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM >> Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth >> >> >>> Hello >>> have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no >>> avail. >>> Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction >>> ,any help greatly appreciated >>> Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name >>> Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat >>> builder >>> Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date >>> of >>> birth about 1845 >>> Many thanks for any information >>> Doris, >>> membership >>> number 6933

Many thanks to Jan, and Gillian will take a look and see what comes up . Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "r.smith45" <r.smith45@ntlworld.com> To: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com>; "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > Hi Jan, > > Have taken a look at the image and I agree with you that the transcriber > has mixed the two girls up and the original indexer may have mistaken the > 'S' for an 'L', so Sowry became Lowry!! Good luck Doris. > > Gillian > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> > To: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > > >> Hi Doris, >> I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. >> >> Births Jun 1845 >> LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 >> >> Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the >> right hand side of the entry. >> Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. >> >> Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type >> their >> christian names >> Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. >> Then underneath her is >> Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth >> >> As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen >> Penley >> LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. >> I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, >> should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY >> (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) >> >> I might well be barking up the wrong tree. >> Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see >> what >> you think. >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> >> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM >> Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth >> >> >>> Hello >>> have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no >>> avail. >>> Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction >>> ,any help greatly appreciated >>> Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name >>> Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat >>> builder >>> Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date >>> of >>> birth about 1845 >>> Many thanks for any information >>> Doris, >>> membership >>> number 6933 >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jan, Have taken a look at the image and I agree with you that the transcriber has mixed the two girls up and the original indexer may have mistaken the 'S' for an 'L', so Sowry became Lowry!! Good luck Doris. Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> To: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth > Hi Doris, > I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. > > Births Jun 1845 > LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 > > Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the > right hand side of the entry. > Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. > > Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type their > christian names > Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. > Then underneath her is > Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth > > As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen Penley > LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. > I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, > should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY > (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) > > I might well be barking up the wrong tree. > Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see > what > you think. > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> > To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM > Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > > >> Hello >> have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no >> avail. >> Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction >> ,any help greatly appreciated >> Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name >> Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat >> builder >> Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of >> birth about 1845 >> Many thanks for any information >> Doris, membership >> number 6933 > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, Are you sure about the spelling of Mary Ellen's father's name ? You say he was a Frenchman, called Henry Sontrin. I have just checked with the French equivalent of genealogy.com and in their data base (280 million persons) I can find no trace whatsoever of anyone called SONTRIN (which doesn't look right, as a French name, to start with). I tried SOUTRIN, with zero results; but SUTRIN produced two results - one was a wedding in a church just down the road from where I live, in Lyons. Regards, Keith Gordon. In a message dated 20/02/2011 09:07:31 Paris, Madrid, dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com writes: Administrivia: To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. Today's Topics: 1. birth (john harker) 2. Re: birth (Jan Boyes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:43:53 -0000 From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <006a01cbd04b$d1545280$50e76251@mee37fe71529a6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no avail. Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction ,any help greatly appreciated Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of birth about 1845 Many thanks for any information Doris, membership number 6933 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:08:45 -0000 From: "Jan Boyes" <markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] birth To: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com>, <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <5920A1BE28DB49C5A9B09A21DA6A34EC@JanisPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Doris, I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. Births Jun 1845 LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the right hand side of the entry. Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type their christian names Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. Then underneath her is Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen Penley LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) I might well be barking up the wrong tree. Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see what you think. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > Hello > have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no > avail. > Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction > ,any help greatly appreciated > Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name > Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat > builder > Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of > birth about 1845 > Many thanks for any information > Doris, membership > number 6933 ------------------------------ To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 20 **************************************

Hi Doris, I've found this on Freebmd site which could be a possibility. Births Jun 1845 LOWRY Mary Ellen Penley Tynemouth 25 414 Have a look on the site at the name, then click on the spectacles at the right hand side of the entry. Click on "View the orignal" then all the names come up. Have a look at two girls names on the image - I'm only going to type their christian names Mary Ellen Sowry - says she is registered at Falmouth. Then underneath her is Hannah Penley - says she is registered at Tynemouth As you can see above, at the transcription, it says that Mary Ellen Penley LOWRY was registered at Tynemouth. I think the transcriber has mixed the two girls up, and that Mary Ellen, should really be Mary Ellen LOWRY (SOWRY - maybe a corruption of SOUTHRY?) I might well be barking up the wrong tree. Would appreciate it if other listers would have a look please, and see what you think. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "john harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] birth > Hello > have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no > avail. > Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction > ,any help greatly appreciated > Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name > Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat > builder > Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of > birth about 1845 > Many thanks for any information > Doris, membership > number 6933

Hello have looked for years for my great grand mother`s birth ,to no avail. Wonder if any one can help ,or point me in the right direction ,any help greatly appreciated Her name was Mary Ellen Southry ,but many spellings on this name Father to Mary Ellen was a French man ,one Henry Sontrin a boat builder Acoording to census she was born in Blyth Northumberland, date of birth about 1845 Many thanks for any information Doris, membership number 6933

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I have come across such an example. A Newcastle family had I believe three generations of Collingwood Forster Jackson Tony > From: davidm.allan@ntlworld.com > To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:45:44 +0000 > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Naming convention puzzle... > > I know about the various naming conventions when it comes to naming a child, > but I wonder whether anyone has come across an instance where it appears a > son may have be assigned the same three given names as his father? The > person in question (and I think I should add I'm still researching) is one > Robert Paxton Green Ackroyd. He was born around 1783 and there appears to > have been a baptism at St Andrew's Church in Newcastle on 23 February 1783. > > Now, from what I have found out so far, he had a son who I first thought had > been called Robert Paxton Ackroyd, born about 1817 in Durham. However, it is > beginning to look as though this son was also called Robert Paxton Green > Ackroyd. > > It would help to know if this is highly unusual, or whether other listers > have come across such instances of the passing on of identical given names > to the power of three! I personally have not come across this before and it > has certainly had me scratching my head this last week or two as I have > tried to unravel the puzzle. > > Regards... David Allan. > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message